Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

Thanks for the help Mr Hood, can you simply post any of the images you come up with

Gladly. On it.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Any use?

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Between the botton lip and the eyes, looks like the same guy to me.

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent

"After speaking with the programmer responsible for developing the Silverline Club itself, Chris Smith, a joint venture was created between Bruce and Chris to put Goldwell's training up as an independent web site called Goldwell iBox."

nice job :-)

I wonder if Bruce Goldwell answers his email these days? He probably has Kul's cell phone number.

Looks like Terry and David Hooker can't get their stories straight about the legal team that are after us.

And still noone was paid today...surprise, surprise.

Originally Posted by Brenda

was kinda thinking the same about playing into his hands. It will need to be a general consensus thing though. I tell him I'm not clued up on these things and how these businesses operate and he writes back to tell me I'm not clued up on these things, still avoiding my question. sheesh!

I wouldn't be so hasty. His refusal to answer simple questions will set alarm bells off for people. He has also given us the name of the other broker. Something we were unable to get for months. And his latest clangers about the 4 million fraud, the 'doing business in america' and the legal team they have...or have not, have provided people with a valuable insight into what is going on.
Don't forget, its not the believers/members we are trying to convince. Its those who have not yet signed up. If they have read the aforementioned instances, the will run a mile.

Originally Posted by RobinHoodlumTJ

Between the botton lip and the eyes, looks like the same guy to me.

A belated welcome to realscam and the merry band of er... men/women/children/BB destroyers and anyone else I've missed off.

I can grovel RobinHoodlumTJ if that would make you feel better.



There, just finished.... What would you prefer to be called? Robin, Hoodlum or TJ?

How interesting the post made by Finch on BB Network on Facebook has been removed, so all that is there is BB affiliates slagging him off. Extremely convenient.

https://www.facebook.com/bannersbrok...ref=ts&fref=ts

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Terry, I suggest you have words with JONATHON very very quickly.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

A belated welcome to realscam and the merry band of er... men/women/children/BB destroyers and anyone else I've missed off.

I can grovel RobinHoodlumTJ if that would make you feel better.



There, just finished.... What would you prefer to be called? Robin, Hoodlum or TJ?

I always love "cool guy" but robin or TJ is fine. In fact, go with one of the latter two- cool guy might not catch my eye because i so seldom (or never tbh) i hear it !

@ashken: and thanks!

@steven howard

Sorta excited here. I found some ones i hadnt seen before here:
http://www.facebo ok.com/media/set/?set=a.435395679838433.100502.322404634470872&type =1#

Not sure how exciting the content is- you know best what your looking for, but this page gave me a damm good thought.
I bet we'll find a ton of behind the scene photos that arent present on google and the likes by finding out "support groups" like this one (north star support) and looking through their personal albums.

Noone paid a week ago, now noone paid today. Wonder what excuse they are lining up.

Originally Posted by noname999

Noone paid a week ago, now noone paid today. Wonder what excuse they are lining up.

The Scammers handbook gives Upgrading Servers, Negative, people, Nay-Sayers, payment Processors, all the Members fault, and this is only a few excuses.

They have been through all those. It seems they don't even bother any more. The drones just suck it up. There was no excuse given last week and people just stayed quiet. Not the glorious start to 2013 some of the shills were declaring. First two payments missed. I wonder how many missed payments does it take before people start rebelling.

Originally Posted by RobinHoodlumTJ

Between the botton lip and the eyes, looks like the same guy to me.

Hmm .. Could Chris and George be twin brothers :)

From http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...html#post41950

Originally Posted by tdstern

Here's what I find interesting....

With regards to RockLion, once again you only do partial research on something you have no interest on actually being objective about. Section 7(3)(b) of that statute gives us the right as per our TOS whereby RockLion has given his consent through signing the agreement with BBI to participating in such electronic infomation gathering, and for its use when compiling information for use in marketing and training. Once again you resort to selective quotes in attempt to justify your position.

Thank You.

To the contrary Mr Stern, I think it is you resorting to selective quotes to justify your position.

You seem to have missed the point that I am prevented from accessing my property, this is my issue and a reasonable person would acknowledge that.

Can you please take a moment to be objective yourself and acknowledge what my concern/issue is ?

Do you have sufficient human compassion as a reasonable person to acknowledge my concern that I am being prevented from accessing my property because BBI are using unreasonable force to make me participate in a survey I do not wish to participate in. ?

I would argue that a reasonable company would not use force on it's employees to prevent them from accessing their property, and at the moment BBI are using unreasonable force to prevent me from accessing my property until I participate in this survey.

It begs the question would a reasonable, fit and proper lawyer/attorney, defend BBI or Stellar point on this point ?

Where in that section does it give BBI the right to prevent me from accessing the Dashboard and other functions until I participate in the survey ?

Originally Posted by RobinHoodlumTJ

@ashken: and thanks!

@steven howard

Sorta excited here. I found some ones i hadnt seen before here:
http://www.facebo ok.com/media/set/?set=a.435395679838433.100502.322404634470872&type =1#

Not sure how exciting the content is- you know best what your looking for, but this page gave me a damm good thought.
I bet we'll find a ton of behind the scene photos that arent present on google and the likes by finding out "support groups" like this one (north star support) and looking through their personal albums.

I've never seen this quote before, could easily have missed it though :- "An amazing event spent with all the leaders Chris Smith, sole owner of BB International, Rajiv Dixit, owner of BB Canada".


Is that "NEWS" or a well known claim ?

PS :- Thanks TJ, good find, the pics still arent clear enough and the video is crap.

I see Terry has resorted to the usual ad hominem attack that all Banners Broker Pimps and Shills resort to in the end with his 5 kinds of people comments.
I thought he was here to provide answers to questions, the clue is in the title of the thread. So far all he has spouted is BS.
To me it looks like he is only here trying to buy Banners Broker more time.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

I see Terry has resorted to the usual ad hominem attack that all Banners Broker Pimps and Shills resort to in the end with his 5 kinds of people comments.
I thought he was here to provide answers to questions, the clue is in the title of the thread. So far all he has spouted is BS.
To me it looks like he is only here trying to buy Banners Broker more time.

You're right and that's what he had done to certain extent with all of his tap dancing.

Terry is stating that fees are the reason they do not use PayPal

https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/we...g-fees-outside

https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/we...-about-outside

https://solidtrustpay.com/fees.html

https://www.payza.com/support/payza-transaction-fees

I have only had a quick loom on phone so not easy to read. Can someone check my links and calcs.

Looks like PayPal is cheaper than STP but more expensive than Payza.

However I believe Payza has had some legal problems recently.

How much extra would you be willing to pay to get the backing of a reputable name like PayPal. I know I would have felt more comfortable.

Originally Posted by RockLion

Hmm .. Could Chris and George be twin brothers :)

Lol! Well if thats the case- im not even annoyed anymore. Im just impressed with their determination and the lengths they go to decieve. I say we let them off easy just because it seems theyve earned it!

...aaand totally doubt it! ;) (but maybe!)

Hey Steven. Hows that hunch/plan of yours going? I hope you know i plan on scanning for new photos till you let me know otherwise. So please let me know when youve got what you need!

Another photo of Chris Smith-
http://www.james- pitsillides.com/why-i-joined-banners-broker

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent;41964Well folks, here's the clincher...

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"After speaking with the programmer responsible for developing the Silverline Club itself, Chris Smith, a joint venture was created between Bruce and Chris to put Goldwell's training up as an independent web site called Goldwell iBox."

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Tuesday, June 15, 2010
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Bruce's latest success is a Joint Venture with Chris Smith, a programmer/web developer in Canada, which is a new business that is launching soon called the Goldwell iBox
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What is unique about the marketing structure of the Goldwell iBox is that it will be an affiliate program that will also have a multi-level marketing aspect to it. Everyone that enrolls for the training will automatically be an affiliate and can refer others to the iBox training and receive commissions for their referrals.

Mr. Stern got owned at FinchSells blog by Nick and SwissSkyBlue. I am posting the exchange here because it needs to be seen by as many people as possible. I hope Nick and SwissSkyBlue don't mind my posting it here.

Terry: I’ll give you a bunch, AdBrite, Ad Magnet, DoubleClick, ExoClick, Infolinks, Zedo, Right Media, Kontera, Hydra Network, Clickbooth, BuySellAds. The Ad exchanges, due to the volume of ads and the geographic locations the ads come from have several servers on which the ads are distributed from. The biggest central ad server farms are located in Pasadena, CA, and New York, NY. The term central refers to the server farms that the banners are served from, not a specific geographic location.

Nick's reply: I’ll give you a bunch, AdBrite, Ad Magnet, DoubleClick, ExoClick, Infolinks, Zedo, Right Media, Kontera, Hydra Network, Clickbooth, BuySellAds. The Ad exchanges, due to the volume of ads and the geographic locations the ads come from have several servers on which the ads are distributed from.”

So what you are saying is those networks are the blind networks that dominate the internet????
You are off your rocker.

Hydra – CPA Network not ad network and doesn’t even exist any more as it was bought out years ago

Clickbooth – CPA Network as well (but they also have a TINY recently opened ad network which is not blind and is self serve.)

Exoclick – A friend of mine owns Exoclick and they are an adult ad network and not even blind. No where close to being a large player.

Zedo – Not an adnetwork but an ad serving technology.

I happen to work (or have worked) with almost all of the companies you have mentioned and you clearly have just dug yourself a huge hole that you can’t get out of. You have just shown that not only do you not know what a blind network actually is you actually don’t know what an ad network is.

Terry explaining the payment processor issue:

Terry: WHY does BB not use normal payment methods?
Why does BB, instead of using normal banks or PayPal or bog-standard cheques, use these online payment methods that are not only so inefficient, but are well known historically to be used by all types of scams in the past?
- Unfortunately, there are only a few avenues available to any company that wishes to do business internationally in the direct sales industry. PayPal charges fees to both the sender and the receiver so that’s not a path we’re going to follow. Anti-money laundering regulations prohibit us from directly depositing into your bank account from ours, we must go through a 3rd party processor. Cheques are direct, but different regions offer different restrictions or penalties for those wanting to use cheques as a payment method. Since there are so many restrictions, we’re required to follow the same paths the ‘less-than-reputable’ companies follow.

SwissSkyBlue’s response:

So sorry, but that is utter rubbish. Have you no qualified accountants in your company? Are you not able to drop into your local banker and get his advice. Either would tell you that your response is complete and utter rubbish. Money laundering laws – good grief. Don’t try and fool an international accountant, which is what I am and have been for 40 years, and I have been making international payments for even longer than that. Yes, the money laundering laws are relatively recent in comparison, but if a normal bank or PayPal are able to make international payments more or less instantly without demanding copies of passports or any such identification, please don’t insult my and other’s intelligence by claiming BB uses dodgy online payment methods to comply with money laundering laws. Laughable!

The truth is that BB has no intention of using normal payment methods because it does not suit them to do so as normal payment methods would not permit you to get away with the constant delays in making payments. You know this is true do you not?

And the unraveling continues. Me thinks Mr. Stern is in over his head.

It seems despite everything Terry says Banners Broker is an advertising company.

From their own FAQ's on BannersBroker Just now.

Why should I advertise with Banners Broker?

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Originally Posted by Brenda

was kinda thinking the same about playing into his hands.

How many people who:

* Think it's possible to get into the advertising biz for $20

* Think a return of 1% per day is possible

* Believe it's possible to double your money online

* Think a "doubler" is a legal reality

* Would stand for "not being paid" for more than 5 minutes

* Would send off their hard earned to an anonymous and non refunding "payment processor"

* Think widows of Nigerian diplomats want to give them a squillion dollars

do you think would bother to read past the first 3 lines of one of a "PR spokesmans" long winded and off point spiel ??

I'll say it again, at risk of being even more boring than usual.

HYIP ponzi promoters DON'T WANT thinking people.

They DON'T WANT people who think logically, have any real world knowledge or experience or do due diligence.

read those 2 words again:

DON'T WANT

What they DO WANT is people who will believe the presence of a company PR person is an indicator of legitimacy.

* Who believe a "registered business" means legitimacy.

* Who don't realize it's possible to obtain an "incorporation" online for less than $100

* Who believe merely having a verifiable address means legitimacy.

* Who believe the same name and picture being used more than once means legitimacy.

You ARE playing into Banners Brokers' hands by giving whatshisname the time of day, much less giving him the opportunity to ply his trade.

The ONLY way to deal with a HYIP ponzi is to believe NOTHING.

Think about this for a second.

Andy Bowdoins' AdSurf Daily ran for several years.

It too underwent the "logical" treatment from those trying to have it closed down.

Despite this, it managed to fool several hundred thousand people and rake in over $100 million

IT satisfied all the "normal" HYIP ponzi requirements, including the offices being photographed and visited a squillion times.

Here's the kicker.

The Secret Service criminal complaint revealed the street address was wrong.

For 11 years, Bowdoin and his wife had managed to fool the whole world.

All those people and all those pictures and all that discussion, yet, anyone who had attempted to have served Bowdoin with legal documentation would have failed because no one for a moment ever thought to check such a basic "fact"

If you believe ANYTHING that comes out of a HYIP ponzi, you are welcoming inviting trouble with open arms.