Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Well if I can't understand how the h*ll are people who are NOT internet savvy going to.

By jove, I think you're finally beginning to understand how HYIP ponzi fraud works, AshKen.

HYIP ponzi operators of the type represented by those behind Banners Broker target people who are NOT "internet savvy"

They don't WANT people who understand. They don't WANT people who question.

They WANT people who believe there is such a thing as a blind network and who DON'T know anything about 'net advertising.

Once a victim has shown he/she believes there IS a "blind network" or believes there IS a recently deceased Nigerian government official with 10 squillion dollars to give away, everything after that is relatively easy for the fraudster.

tcook@apple.com

billg@microsoft.com

Eric.Schmidt@google.com

What is Chris Smiths email address?

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

tcook@apple.com

billg@microsoft.com

Eric.Schmidt@google.com

What is Chris Smiths email address?

I'll bet it ends in "@gmail.com".....

Originally Posted by Theseus

I'll bet it ends in "@gmail.com".....

Nah - ends in "@ponzi.com"

Originally Posted by littleroundman

By jove, I think you're finally beginning to understand how HYIP ponzi fraud works, AshKen.

HYIP ponzi operators of the type represented by those behind Banners Broker target people who are NOT "internet savvy"

They don't WANT people who understand. They don't WANT people who question.

They WANT people who believe there is such a thing as a blind network and who DON'T know anything about 'net advertising.

Once a victim has shown he/she believes there IS a "blind network" or believes there IS a recently deceased Nigerian government official with 10 squillion dollars to give away, everything after that is relatively easy for the fraudster.

Ha! Yes, well, I have been "thinking" haven't I. May take me a little longer, but I get there :) I'm trying to get what I understand how BB works into something that everyone could understand. That may also take a while, but I'll get there.

Thanks for the pat on the back though

Originally Posted by Hypanor

There was a post on that Mirror article pointing to a German forum. Nice to see there are people standing up to the pimps over there too. They all sound the same, regardless of the language!

You'll need to use the Google Translate tool on this site - Ist BannersBroker eine Schneeballsystem? - ant marketing



If you've not used Translate before, just go to the Google search page, select the 'More' menu and select 'Translate'. Then just paste in the URL, it will detect the language and display the page in english for you.

Here's the start of it...

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Friends of yours Mundorf?

Well,funy thing but I am not much present on Germans forums except on once that have to do with my business.I can tell You the German public is far less informed what is BB for real then elsewhere - even many high profile intellectuals are not interested what kind of scam BB is.Especialy authorities here in Hessen -main city Frankfurt ,are prity apart regarding online scams...but as I see, maybe ,with some delay,germans will be opening their eyes before investing...we say here for ponzi systems - außer Spesen nichts gewesen ....meaning - except costs nothing happened....just red the text on this forum...this I find very true - . Es ist vollkommen naiv, zu glauben, dass Online-Laien und blutige Internet-Amateure mal eben ein Vermögen mit Internet-Werbung verdienen können.....I will translate - It is totally naive to think that online laymen and bloody internet amateurs are able to earn a fortune with internet advertising...yea...my kamarad ...scam on the first sight

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Another digital on-line entrepreneur that is the backbone of Banners Broker. LOL (Little Old Lady)
Banners Broker is the on-line business she has always dreamed of LOL (Laugh out loud)

We wers still working on this one, but that little old dear with the teddy bears is Elizabeth 'Super Nanny' Bosveld, also goes by her middle name Mary Bosveld. She is Australian, lives in Tasmania, and was one of the very early uptakers of BB (also breds Rotties). Due to her early involvement, she has been responsible for unleashing it on Australia, and New Zealand links have been found too. We were under the impression she had quit BB, but this video is fairly recent (and yes it is one of Mark Stokes feature videos) and she has this 'blog' which was recently updated.

Mary once had an ABN (Aust Business Number for tax) but it has not been renewed.
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It is RUMOURED but unsubstantiated that she may have recruited 'Stros', who as many of you know operates the 'Do Nothing' blog. I DON'T KNOW if this bit is true, just putting it out there as a possibility...

@Hypanor

Awwww so the little old granny really is nothing like she portrays herself to be. Cue music from Jaws!

Originally Posted by AshKen1

@Hypanor

Awwww so the little old granny really is nothing like she portrays herself to be. Cue music from Jaws!

Not so much "silver surfer" as "silver scammer"....

According to Lorenzo Guarini, despite BB charging many, many times the going rate for banner space affiliates "going to be loaded, good times ahead!" (source)


Meanwhile, in the real world, according to Reuters

Microsoft Corp shelled out a record $6.3 billion for aQuantive in 2007 at the height of a race with Google Inc and Yahoo Inc to clinch the top spot in Internet display advertising, betting on what many thought was a red-hot business.

The writedown of almost all of that deal's value, announced this week, shows how misguided those expectations were, and how brutal the once-thriving business of selling banner ads on websites has become.

The main culprit is an explosion of advertising space offered by Facebook Inc and other websites that is outpacing steady demand. But automated online exchanges, smarter search advertising and a growing skepticism about the effectiveness of jamming ads in people's faces have also conspired to slash prices and suck profits out of the business.

"The inventory or amount of ad spots grew so fast, it outgrew demand," said Dave Morgan, an industry veteran and entrepreneur. "That brought pricing down massively. So a lot of display advertising really became a ghetto for bad direct-response advertising."

Everywhere, it seems, except in the "Blind Network" which is seemingly still able to command eye-watering prices and return vast profits to all those involved......

Originally Posted by Theseus

According to Lorenzo Guarini, despite BB charging many, many times the going rate for banner space affiliates "going to be loaded, good times ahead!" (source)


Meanwhile, in the real world, according to Reuters



Everywhere, it seems, except in the "Blind Network" which is seemingly still able to command eye-watering prices and return vast profits to all those involved......

Yes the "Blind Network" is truly magical.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Yes the "Blind Network" is truly magical.

Can I ask a question please Mr Banners Broker?

This blind network thing, how do the people that buy the ads from us know that we are actually placing their ads on websites,phones or tablets ?

Do they just TRUST us to place the adverts and pay us lots of money for doing so and never ask for proof ?

Originally Posted by AshKen1

RE the traffic packs

Theseus has posted something about how BB works (or used to work). I'll try and recap, but I am likely to get this wrong as I (hands up) really am unable to grasp this fully.

BB supply you with space on websites owned by BB which already has traffic going to them. You then buy a traffic pack to drive more to the ad(s) on the websites. Now correct me if I am wrong, but isn't sending/generating/buying traffic for websites (especially to your own) not above board?

But wait! We are also told, remember, that the ad is placed on a blind network so no-one (allegedly) knows where it is sited. It is also able to be moved around regularly - is that on the same site or just in the network? A site or network that BB own?

How the heck can you direct traffic to an ad that nobody knows where it is regularly enough for the panel to complete in a network that is blind?? And for it to earn enough revenue to double your money. It's like pinning an imaginary tail on an imaginary donkey...

You all got that? Nope, me neither. No doubt I will be accused of "not understanding the business". Well if I can't understand how the h*ll are people who are NOT internet savvy going to.

Back to the locking of panels:

So when your upline wants you to lock your panel when you set it off, you are giving them the "commission" (paying them with traffic, whatever you want to call it) before you earn a cent. The only way I can understand this is it's a bit like paying the bill in the restaurant BEFORE you've eaten a thing.

The trouble is, Whip, that if you start pushing the uplines, then you will be seen as being negative and putting the company in a bad light and they'll take your account away, just like a surly waiter taking your food away from you whilst you are eating it in a restaurant. Fake bucks or not, nobody will be willing to jeopardise their accounts.

No one's getting paid anyway. They would be smart to band together and demand the upline do something. There's no way they'd ban everyone's accounts.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

tcook@apple.com

billg@microsoft.com

Eric.Schmidt@google.com

What is Chris Smiths email address?

invisible.man@gmail.com

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Ha! Yes, well, I have been "thinking" haven't I. May take me a little longer, but I get there :) I'm trying to get what I understand how BB works into something that everyone could understand. That may also take a while, but I'll get there.

Thanks for the pat on the back though

You can't. As you can see, they keep moving the goalposts.

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Another digital on-line entrepreneur that is the backbone of Banners Broker. LOL (Little Old Lady)
Banners Broker is the on-line business she has always dreamed of LOL (Laugh out loud)

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

Welcome to RS thesupergranny. As for who gave anyone permission to use your video, you did when you made it and posted it on YouTube. Glad I could clear that up for you.

Now you really didn't think that when you put the video up on YouTube that it was private did you? You really don't think that anything you post on Twitter, FaceBook, MySpace, blogs, or any of the other social media sites they were private did you? I would think that anyone who joined BannersBroker would know what has been posted here came from the public domain. Obviously you wanted people to see your video or you would not have made it. You did want people to see it, right? Well, people are seeing it here, and you should be glad for all the exposure you are getting. Just think how many more people are seeing your video that would not have otherwise even knew it existed. And you want it down IMMEDIATELY, or else? Seriously?

Of course I am making the assumption that you really are Mary Bosveld of the video as you claim. As for taking it down, that is up to the Admins and the owner of this blog. Just a guess on my part, but I don't think that is going to happen. So I guess that means we will soon find out what "or else" means.

Now if you are upset with any comments that have been posted about you and your video, please join in and prove what has been said is wrong. We always enjoy a discussion of different views. There have been several of the BB supporters who have come here and conversed with us. Alas, they just keep ignoring those pesky questions that any true person of knowledge about BB could answer. I'm sure a woman of your stature with BB will be able to do so.

So, do join in on the discussion and I look forward to your answering the simple basic questions about BB that everyone else keeps ducking like a hot potato.

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

I'll tell you what "Mary" if that's who you truly are.

how about we agree to save us both a lot of time and money, bypass the threatening letter from your pet solicitor and move straight to the court action phase ???

That way, either you or your lawyer can stand up in court, prove Banners Broker is not a HYIP ponzi scam and provide evidence of how we stole the offending information from the public domain.

I'm sure the fine folk at Banners Broker would be only too happy to support you in your efforts and you'll have no trouble getting Chris or Raj to appear on your behalf.

When the time comes, just let us know an approximate date and we'll coordinate with guys and gals down at the Mercury and make sure you get front page.

I won't hold my breath.

Is it a try to scare us??...or she thinks we are like servants & slaves she meets daily in her BB ponzi world?...this ponzi military shout makes me laugh...like orchestra without instruments....the Lady commands we do it IMMEDIATELY...do we know if she is related with general Patton?

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

If one might be bold, Mrs. Bosveld... did you send that to all the people on Youtube who borrowed your video for reposting, long before he encountered it?

I think it's more along the lines of HYIP ponzi pimps are used to being able to stay under the radar.

Threatening letters are par for the course when it comes to the HYIP ponzi world and, in the past, the threats have largely worked.

The times, as they say, are a changin' however, and an increasing number of netizens are now not prepared to simply lay down and let themselves be intimidated.

Personally, I have for a long time wished one of these HYIP ponzi cyberbullies would be foolish enough to go ahead with their threats and allow a court to decide the legality of their particular HYIP ponzi du-jour

I'm certainly not holding my breath, however, and will continue to treat the threats and threateners with the contempt they so richly deserve, as does REALSCAM.com

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

Isn't that sweet, a threat which ends with "thank you".........

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

Id think people would be glad to remove it if you have something to replace it. Like for example a video if you accepting that BB is a scam and you were scammed into making the first video and didn't actually know anything about Ponzis or HYIP's.

Originally Posted by thesupergranny

Who gave you permission to use my Video ?

If you know what's good for you, I highly recommend you remove the video and all references to my name from this site IMMEDIATELY, or else.

Thank you.

Hmmnn,

yet another case of "the family that PREYS together, stays together" perhaps ??



M Bosveld BB Facts.com

Some interesting links from India
:: Grievance Redress Mechanism in Government ::
or Ministry of Corporate Affairs and slect -> Investor Services -> Public grivences
Serious Fraud Investigation Office
or select Affilliated Offices-> Serious fraud

http://www.mca.gov.in/DCAPortalWeb/
CIN= U74999GA2011PTC006823
On top select "services" and "view company master data"
Indian companies Act 2012
http://www.mca.gov.in/Ministry/pdf/T..._Bill_2012.pdf
See section 245 re "Class action" in India
Note also the removal of limited liability under section 75. "Damages for fraud"
In fact the India debacle may be a positive thing since BB cant trade as BB in india since a company called Banners Broker already exists.
The director of the existing BB may have approached them to buy him out but he cant continue to allow them operate since HE could be sued by class action and have himself struch off as a driector of any company and open to damages beyond limited liability of a company in facilitating fraud. It would only be right for him to then report any trade attributable to the company and ask for the courts to investigate it. It seems this is what he did.

75. (1) Where a company fails to repay the deposit or part thereof or any interest
thereon referred to in section 74 within the time specified in sub-section (1) of that section
or such further time as may be allowed by the Tribunal under sub-section (2) of that section,
and it is proved that the deposits had been accepted with intent to defraud the depositors or
for any fraudulent purpose, every officer of the company who was responsible for the
acceptance of such deposit shall, without prejudice to the provisions contained in subsection
(3) of that section and liability under section 447, be personally responsible, without
any limitation of liability, for all or any of the losses or damages that may have been incurred
by the depositors.
(2) Any suit, proceedings or other action may be taken by any person, group of
persons or any association of persons who had incurred any loss as a result of the failure of
the company to repay the deposits or part thereof or any interest thereon.