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01-06-2013, 12:03 PM
#5976
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
By the way, I'm guessing it was the start of december that I asked where and when Chris Smith went to college.
For all the neutrals who are only researching BB:
Doesn't it speak volumes that noone from BB, or anywhere else, can give an answer to that simple question.
The longer it goes on unanswered, the more people that turn their back on BB. So cheers BB drones, thanks for helping us.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 12:03 PM
#5977
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
Can someone clarify for me what is it that has been said on the dashboard that brings everyone 'up to date'?
Is this the same person that said the office would be reopened on Saturday? Have they given any reason why this has not happened?
Why has the World tour been cancelled(what are the obvious reasons)?
Is anyone within the BB framework asking these very obvious, not unreasonable questions?
There is nothing on the dashboard, I just checked.
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01-06-2013, 12:38 PM
#5978
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
To be honest, the fact that he can't/won't answer the questions is a great advert for why not to join BB. For anyone who is researching this supposed opportunity and they come across his posts they will automatically be turned off the scam. But for some reason, he can't help himself.
Cheers Iain, you are making our job all the easier!
....I can
but you're right, I won't
too busy
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01-06-2013, 12:42 PM
#5979
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
So you are too busy to answer a few simple questions. You know that no neutral believes that. Especially as you continue to post here. But don't let that stop you. As I have said previously. You are only strengthening the argument AGAINST BB. Long may it continue.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 12:44 PM
#5980
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
When and where did Chris Smith go to college?
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 01:50 PM
#5981
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Iain, where are you gone? There are thousands of people logging into this thread everyday. Many of them are trying to decide whether or not to join BB. I know that most of them are trying find out about this company you champion.
Its perfectly reasonable that they would be looking to find out about the CEO(normal business practice). I know they would love to know where this CEO went to college and when. Why won't you tell them? What is it you are hiding?
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 01:56 PM
#5982
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Why did Iain Sherriff post a pic of Banners Broker sneaking off with John Smith's credit card details?
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01-06-2013, 02:05 PM
#5983
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 02:07 PM
#5984
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
iainsherriff
Ian, I'm in your downline. Do you really think the people who you've introduced to BB want to see you plastering such childish replies ?.
You're supposed to be a professional, posting like you have done this last couple of day's doesn't fill me with confidence.
I've PM'd a few people (on FB and TBB) over the last couple of days just asking how they feel about the Indian massacre etc, privately a fair few people are very worried, but are also too scared to voice their concerns publicly on the various forum's.
I think you ought to be supplying us with relevant up to date information, don't you?.
Someone gave me your mobile number on Friday, I'm going to try and phone you tomorrow I'd like some answers (don't worry, I will not be posting your number on any forums), but I will post replies to my questions.
Around 11, if that's okay.
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01-06-2013, 02:16 PM
#5985
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Can I ask what questions you will be asking Steve? Are you not worried that your account will be blocked?
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
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01-06-2013, 02:42 PM
#5986
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
StevenHoward
I've PM'd a few people (on FB and TBB) over the last couple of days just asking how they feel about the Indian massacre etc, privately a fair few people are very worried, but are also too scared to voice their concerns publicly on the various forum's.
I think you ought to be supplying us with relevant up to date information, don't you?.
Yep, it's fair to say that a lot of investors are NOT satisfied by the line being rolled out about BB India. There are a lot of brave faces being put on.
I guess with the policy of account termination upon voicing a complaint, you can't really expect them to storm Facebook with their concerns, can you?
I'm looking forward to seeing how prompt the payments are on January 11th. I suspect the only thing keeping affiliates quiet at the moment is the fact that so many of them were paid before Christmas. Customer satisfaction in any ponzi depends on payments, payments, payments.
When the payments stop, incidents like India magnify tenfold and the questions begin.
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01-06-2013, 02:47 PM
#5987
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
StevenHoward
Ian, I'm in your downline. Do you really think the people who you've introduced to BB want to see you plastering such childish replies ?.
You're supposed to be a professional, posting like you have done this last couple of day's doesn't fill me with confidence.
I've PM'd a few people (on FB and TBB) over the last couple of days just asking how they feel about the Indian massacre etc, privately a fair few people are very worried, but are also too scared to voice their concerns publicly on the various forum's.
I think you ought to be supplying us with relevant up to date information, don't you?.
Someone gave me your mobile number on Friday, I'm going to try and phone you tomorrow I'd like some answers (don't worry, I will not be posting your number on any forums), but I will post replies to my questions.
Around 11, if that's okay.
I hope you get some sensible answers from Ian. I agree that his response has been less than professional. If he were my upline, I'd be seriously re-considering my options.
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01-06-2013, 03:00 PM
#5988
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
iainsherriff
You guys haven't posted anything worth commenting on for ages. Even things you find that ARE facts get twisted so much its a joke not worth the time to respond, half the time you don't even realise you've twisted things
You could take this
and join it up to make this
and still not see why it makes you look daft
Originally Posted by
iainsherriff
Originally Posted by
iainsherriff
sorry..........been there, done that
Originally Posted by
iainsherriff
....I can
but you're right, I won't
too busy
These posts illustrate exactly why Banners Broker can't be viewed as a serious, legitimate business. Here we have Mr Sherriff, a man in his 60s, who runs the company's support forum, visiting to defend them against criticism that the whole thing is a ponzi.
Does he have a carefully crafted statement which addresses the concerns raised? Does he seek to reassure by offing plausible explanations for what has been going on?
No, he posts a series of "humorous" (and stolen) images, whilst steadfastly refusing to answer even the most basic of questions.
Can you imagine a spokesman for Google or Facebook (both companies that BB like to compare themselves to) doing the same?
No? Neither can I...
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01-06-2013, 03:12 PM
#5989
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
@Theseus
Where are the other BB defenders as well?
They must know full well that a lot of BB people (current affiliates/investors) visit this forum anonymously simply because they are more likely to find out what is going on from here rather than their own heavily restricted and censored forum.
I hope that those who are affiliates are now beginning to see that the uplines they have are a) less than effective or b) I must conclude, ignorant as to what is happening. Sadly rather like BB support: all facade and no help whatsoever.
If you do know what's happening and you aren't sharing, then I rather think you must know what you are doing . Makes you rather culpable doesn't it. Should you find that offensive, then so is ripping people off.
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01-06-2013, 03:16 PM
#5990
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Who knows, and who really cares (aside from a bunch of trolls and wannabe net-detectives)....
Just for the sake of it, I'd love to see it exposed that Chris Smith was a college drop-out, the trolls and wannabe net-detectives would be dancing and partying all night, "told you so, college drop-out, how can anybody in their right mind deal with any company who's founded by a college drop-out.
Here's some other college drop-outs whose companies (and products) you should avoid : (and typical troll-wannabe net-detective responses already pre-inserted to save you lot some time)
Michael Dell (gunna sell my Inspiron and buy a Toshiba or Samsung lappie instead!)
Bill Gates (dang! bloody college drop-outs, stuff this I'm getting a Mac)
Steve Jobs (WTF? ANOTHER college drop-out... can't keep away from them...)
Richard Branson (no prob's - plenty of airlines out there not founded by a college drop-out)
Mark Zuckerberg (ah well, there's always Google plus....)
Jerry Yang (hmmm better keep my credibility and move my yahoo mail over to gmail...)
Larry Page (He graduated from the University of Michigan, that's why we love Google and hate BB)
Matt Mullenweg (oh? Better sign up with Blogger and shift my wordpress blog over there. Bloody college drop-outs)
Henry Ford (ah well, looks like the little Festiva's on the market, better keep my credibility and get a toyota or something else...)
Jawed Karim (geez, better start using Vimeo since YouTube was founded by one of those bloody college drop-outs!!)
Ralph Lauren (i can't afford classy expensive stuff like that, I'm too busy being a troll and putting everybody and everything down)
Ever noticed the differences between successful people and those living on 'struggle street' only just getting by?
Successful people are out there, stepping up to the plate, making things happen, taking calculated risks, planning for the future, setting goals, having dreams and ambitions, starting businesses, or joining a business through some kind of joint-venture or affiliate relationship.
Negative, cynical people criticise and put down the above, blame everybody else for their woes and financial position. The really nasty ones go public with their negative, cynical attitudes, knowing only too well that negativity is contagious, the public en-large is fed negativity through the press all the time, it sells papers and glues peepers onto TV screens. A good news story hardly pulls much viewer traffic, but a major car accident, train wreck or airplane crash certainly does.
We're all adults here, and the last thing this world needs is a bunch of wanna-be net-nanny detectives telling us a load of largely irrelevant rubbish to deter the average working class stiff to give something like BB shot. Nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you to flop out your credit card and joining BB. It was said elsewhere previously here that people's financial situation is a similar situation than holding a gun to their heads, which is a load of rubbish. For somebody in dire financial straits, it's not a gun being held to their head, but a big fat juicy carrot being dangled in front of their heads.
This is where BB shares the same problem that other affiliate-based businesses are experiencing, and have been since the early days of Amway, there will always be affiliates stretching the truth to the point of misleading a prospect to entire them to join the relevant program. Again this is where common-sense comes into play. Ian Driscoll did say a few times don't put in more money than you can afford to lose, this goes with everything including gambling - the ol' saying don't bet over your head, but using your head. Same with BB, if you like the sound of it, but have your doubts, when hop on board with a yellow package, $25, that covers your first month admin fee and you get a yellow panel. See if it really increases in value, see if the system really works, experience it for yourself, you can then choose to cut your losses ($25) and move on, or increase your financial contribution (investing is a word to be avoided, as you're entering a very regulated marketplace, this is what's thrown BB off the rails in India whilst investigations are taking place).
Wouldn't mind an update on the BB happenings in Goa, though. That's gotta be a better line for the trolls and wannabe detectives, nobody cares when and where Chris Smith went to college, asking for an update on the BB India situation would be a more credible question to ask. Communication from BB management to its affiliate base is an area with lots of room for improvement. There's a few companies suffering from similar shortcomings.
Aside from all that, who are you going to believe? 260'000+ affiliates or a dozen or three trolls and wannabe net detectives. If you're so damn good, what the hell are you sitting there volunteering your time? Why not get a job as a detective with your local fraud squad, it's a job that pays well, is not only recession-proof, but flourishes when times are tough. AND you can make a real difference in shutting down scams and ponzis, instead of flapping your gums through repetitive and boring forums such as this. Finch is onto something though, how to be a complete dick and using that to his own advantage, flogging his own stuff whilst trolling and flaming anything that's not his own to sell.... Clever chappy that Finch, not much crediblity though...
Originally Posted by
noname999
When and where did Chris Smith go to college?
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01-06-2013, 03:18 PM
#5991
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
littleroundman? bwwhahahahaha looks like bigroundman to me !!
littleroundman doesn't seem too happy, predictions of BB's collapse still haven't come true. Here's some news, we'll have the same kind of conversation this time next year, except my wallet's going to be fatter and I estimate BB's affiliate base having grown to 500'000+
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01-06-2013, 03:29 PM
#5992
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Well done Jack...you completely missed the whole point of the question...
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01-06-2013, 03:31 PM
#5993
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
jackoneill
Finch is onto something though, how to be a complete dick and using that to his own advantage, flogging his own stuff whilst trolling and flaming anything that's not his own to sell.... Clever chappy that Finch, not much crediblity though...
More credibility than BB, evidently.
I haven't been shut down by the police yet!
"whilst trolling and flaming anything that's not his own to sell"
The definition of an affiliate marketer is somebody who sells somebody else's stuff. Nice connection.
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01-06-2013, 03:33 PM
#5994
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
jackoneill
Who knows, and who really cares (aside from a bunch of trolls and wannabe net-detectives)....
Just for the sake of it, I'd love to see it exposed that Chris Smith was a college drop-out,
I strongly suspect that the guy we know as Chris Smith ain't ever seen the inside of a collage, unless of course he was emptying the rubbish bins.
At least if was doing that it would be a more honest profession than running an international ponzi scheme.
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01-06-2013, 03:44 PM
#5995
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
jackoneill
Aside from all that, who are you going to believe? 260'000+ affiliates or a dozen or three trolls and wannabe net detectives
I remember Zeek Rewards Ponzi victims saying much the same thing only they usually said something like.
"Who are you going to believe? 1,000,000 Zeeklers or a dozen or three trolls and wannabe net detectives"
I wouldn't be at all surprised if you where one of 'em.
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01-06-2013, 03:44 PM
#5996
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Martin88
More credibility than BB, evidently.
I haven't been shut down by the police yet!
"whilst trolling and flaming anything that's not his own to sell"
The definition of an affiliate marketer is somebody who sells somebody else's stuff. Nice connection.
Um... had you found that BB was a really fabulous business to get into, I am sure you wouldn't be saying to people it is a dodgy game. You'd be putting out points for and against investing in it. Most legitimate businesses would also respond to the criticisms that have been made against them.
I'm shaking my head here, because all that the BB representatives (and yes, they are representing the company each time they post attacks and rubbish on here) do is let themselves and the company down. Bunch of amateurs and it shows.
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01-06-2013, 03:45 PM
#5997
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
jackoneill
If you're so damn good, what the hell are you sitting there volunteering your time? Why not get a job as a detective with your local fraud squad, it's a job that pays well, is not only recession-proof, but flourishes when times are tough. AND you can make a real difference in shutting down scams and ponzis, instead of flapping your gums through repetitive and boring forums such as this.
Meanwhile, here you are spouting regurgitated BB propaganda, whilst completely missing the irony. The key point you've overlooked about Smith is that Dell, Jobs, Branson et al all have backstories, they all existed prior to the formation of the company that made them a household name. Smith doesn't exist prior to Nov 2010, nor does his name appear anywhere on documentation pertaining to the ownership of BB.
If I may paraphrase the character Patrick Bateman in American Psycho
"There is an idea of a Chris Smith; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real man: only an entity, something illusory"
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01-06-2013, 03:48 PM
#5998
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
noname999
Iain, where are you gone? There are thousands of people logging into this thread everyday. Many of them are trying to decide whether or not to join BB. I know that most of them are trying find out about this company you champion.
Its perfectly reasonable that they would be looking to find out about the CEO(normal business practice). I know they would love to know where this CEO went to college and when. Why won't you tell them? What is it you are hiding?
Well, they really don't want people who ask questions, to tell the truth.
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01-06-2013, 04:10 PM
#5999
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
That is a distinct possibility, Joe...
VanAndel and DeVos started Amway and unless I'm mistaken, neither have gone to college (the former served in the US military), their company came under the spotlight and were investigated for being an alleged pyramid scheme and cleared.
Re-Phrase 'international ponzi scheme' to 'alleged international ponzi scheme' - the allegations made by a bunch of wannabe net-detectives and trolls, plus an irish tabloid they approached who saw this as a great way to maintain their paper's momentum and popularity. Sensationalist tabloid news sells papers....
It should be noted that the happenings in India aren't ponzi-related by nature, but a material breach of securities law - ie: selling or promoting investment products. I recall some time ago seeing a newspaper article about USANA (vitamins, pills and stuff), whereby they came under scrutiny, but only because of a number of rogue affiliates deciding to market the company and its products in a different light - promoting it as a "retirement scheme".
Will be interesting to see how this all pans out. There's certainly some question marks surrounding the whole Banners Broker thing, some valid, most irrelevant.
One thing I can say for certain, your credibility and that of your buddies here, plus realscam.com as a whole, will be severely tarnished if by this time next year, BB's still around and going strong, and all charges laid by Goa police end up being dropped and the BB India office re-opens. That's all likely to back-fire and bite you all in the bum, plus perhaps a lawsuit to boot. On the other hand, who knows, perhaps you guys were right along and BB's either a full-blown ponzi, or has a strong enough ponzi element for it to come under the spotlight and be shut down like Zeek.
Time will tell.
Originally Posted by
Joe_Shmoe
I strongly suspect that the guy we know as Chris Smith ain't ever seen the inside of a collage, unless of course he was emptying the rubbish bins.
At least if was doing that it would be a more honest profession than running an international ponzi scheme.
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01-06-2013, 04:17 PM
#6000
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
One thing I can say for certain, your credibility and that of your buddies here, plus realscam.com as a whole, will be severely tarnished if by this time next year, BB's still around and going strong, and all charges laid by Goa police end up being dropped and the BB India office re-opens. That's all likely to back-fire and bite you all in the bum, plus perhaps a lawsuit to boot. On the other hand, who knows, perhaps you guys were right along and BB's either a full-blown ponzi, or has a strong enough ponzi element for it to come under the spotlight and be shut down like Zeek.
That's about like saying a girl's pagan wedding hurt's her chance of ever becoming Pope. It's true as far as it goes, but you have to get past a bit of absurd to get to it.
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