Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Brenda do we know or could we find out if Terry from the Joe Duffy show ever received his promised refund?
Promised by (Paul McCarthy Banners Broker's top man in Ireland I'm led to believe)
He was told he would have it before Christmas.

Suppose I could email Siobhan ( programme editor) but I don't know if they would have kept up to date with terry or Terry with them after the airing?? Don't know if you know the show, it can change last minute depending on breaking stories which is why I think they didn't do the second day. ( I wanted them to clarify that the guy who claimed he made 75k on a 2k investment hadn't actually drawn this money, but that it was money on a screen) Something current and newsworthy came along.

That said, it was McCarthy himself who promised Terry he'd have his money before Xmas, is it worth a contact there! BTW, I can't do that one :)

Firstly, when I contacted the show, the BB name was already familiar to them as they had been previously contacted about BB. The big problem they had then and I assume still, is getting those people to go on air, they were all too afraid to for various reasons, like myself, Ireland is a small country and I wanted to protect my anonymity. It seems that BB has built in a culture of fear in anyone who questions it.

So therefore, we know that complaints had been made before me, and certainly after me but I have no way of knowing what response it received. As an aside, RS was one of the links that I supplied to JD for research purposes but never thought to check back here til 3 weeks later, was wonderfully surprised to see what a flurry it caused here. I also suspect that the SW may have picked up on the story from the show also as it seems to have all happened afterwards? Who knows.

I am not a victim, I never joined, I have not contacted any authority 'IN IRELAND" and am not prepared to state on an open forum what other contacts and to who I've made them to but I quietly do my bit behind the scenes ;)

I have no idea if Joe intends to re-visit the show, I am assuming it would require some newsworthy update or significant event re BB.

Originally Posted by Brenda

Suppose I could email Siobhan ( programme editor) but I don't know if they would have kept up to date with terry or Terry with them after the airing?? Don't know if you know the show, it can change last minute depending on breaking stories which is why I think they didn't do the second day. ( I wanted them to clarify that the guy who claimed he made 75k on a 2k investment hadn't actually drawn this money, but that it was money on a screen) Something current and newsworthy came along.

That said, it was McCarthy himself who promised Terry he'd have his money before Xmas, is it worth a contact there! BTW, I can't do that one :)

Next time McCarthy does a webinar we should attend en masse and all ask that one question over and over and over.....

Yes Brenda. I was one of the ones who spoke to the show also. It was supposed to be given a slot the following day. Phil and Jason had agreed to speak on the show. But the follow up didn't go ahead. when I queried that. I was told that most of the people who contacted the show from Ireland, were either too afraid or embarrassed to speak on air. A Pity.

Originally Posted by Brenda

Firstly, when I contacted the show, the BB name was already familiar to them as they had been previously contacted about BB. The big problem they had then and I assume still, is getting those people to go on air, they were all too afraid to for various reasons, like myself, Ireland is a small country and I wanted to protect my anonymity. It seems that BB has built in a culture of fear in anyone who questions it.

So therefore, we know that complaints had been made before me, and certainly after me but I have no way of knowing what response it received. As an aside, RS was one of the links that I supplied to JD for research purposes but never thought to check back here til 3 weeks later, was wonderfully surprised to see what a flurry it caused here. I also suspect that the SW may have picked up on the story from the show also as it seems to have all happened afterwards? Who knows.

I am not a victim, I never joined, I have not contacted any authority 'IN IRELAND" and am not prepared to state on an open forum what other contacts and to who I've made them to but I quietly do my bit behind the scenes ;)

I have no idea if Joe intends to re-visit the show, I am assuming it would require some newsworthy update or significant event re BB.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Yes Brenda. I was one of the ones who spoke to the show also. It was supposed to be given a slot the following day. Phil and Jason had agreed to speak on the show. But the follow up didn't go ahead. when I queried that. I was told that most of the people who contacted the show from Ireland, were either too afraid or embarrassed to speak on air. A Pity.

Yes Jerrygo, a pity but not the end of the world. It just means more work lol. If we can just get more and more to read here and if that causes others not to join, then we have done some good work. That's why we need real stories here from inside BB!

I am conscience that when this does fold, more recent entrants will lose their money but a) it's less for the top to escape with and b) the sooner, the less with lose out.

After all, if this wasn't a pyramid/ ponzi scheme, it shouldn't matter that it doesn't attract new recruits right? Haven't BB themselves stated that recruiting isn't a must?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Next time McCarthy does a webinar we should attend en masse and all ask that one question over and over and over.....

see this is where you guys come in, I know nothing about the technical stuff, IP addresses etc and it all builds a picture that could assist those I hope are watching.

Originally Posted by noname999

Sorry Ken, I still disagree. I have known the person who tried to recruit me for many years too. I wouldn't be a great friend of hers but know her a long time.
When you hear no risk and double your money it has to raise doubts, no matter who is approaching you. Also, if they can't show you the product, or where it is to be found...you have to sceptical. This is when you ask questions. If you can't get answers you do not invest. Its called common sense.

You have said your friend fully believes in this venture. I disagree. If someone is in a state of denial they know deep down, something is up.The fact they won't even take a critical look at this proves my point. - They are afraid of what they will find.

Here is another difficult point, but has to be said:

Friends, for the large part, do not recruit friends to give them a leg up. This may be a minor reason but not the main one.

This will be controversial but its the truth. - The main reason friends try to recruit friends, is to validate their choice. To prove that they made the right decision. They do not understand the workings themselves(no matter what they tell you or themselves). They need to feel secure. this comes from having others willing to go with them. If these others are friends it further validates their position.

I know people will refute this positon but it is the truth.

You have raised a very interesting point and I suspect it is true in some cases, just as it is true that some people on their first rodeo genuinely believe in what they are doing. The often think that not understanding the workings is down to their own innumeracy or stupidity, not the fact that it is deliberately confusing.

There is no one single reason for all to fall for scams and recruit into them - greed is a popular one, but often financial desperation or close friendship/family relationships come into play, along with a long list of etceteras and I think we need to add your own, self validation

Originally Posted by Brenda

see this is where you guys come in, I know nothing about the technical stuff, IP addresses etc and it all builds a picture that could assist those I hope are watching.

There's no need for any technical know-how, you simply register for, and log into, his weekly webinar with the rest of us and ask if "Terry" got his money back as he was promised.

Originally Posted by Theseus

There's no need for any technical know-how, you simply register for, and log into, his weekly webinar with the rest of us and ask if "Terry" got his money back as he was promised.

All he will say is, he can't discuss individual cases. That or he will simply ignore the question. What we really need is to contact this guy Terry. Anyone have an idea how?

Originally Posted by noname999

All he will say is, he can't discuss individual cases. That or he will simply ignore the question. What we really need is to contact this guy Terry. Anyone have an idea how?

He'll just ignore it, but bombarding him with it 2-300 times each in an hour would be fun

Originally Posted by Theseus

He'll just ignore it, but bombarding him with it 2-300 times each in an hour would be fun

You know, sometimes just sometimes, I sit here and think I need to get a life....



On the other hand... it would be fun to see who gets kicked off the webinar first

So, I wanted to investigate something and was redirected:



This was the name of the token site that had a banners broker ad on it right?

Originally Posted by Whip

So, I wanted to investigate something and was redirected:

That's a bit pricey.... usually they're a bit cheaper than that

Originally Posted by AshKen1

That's a bit pricey.... usually they're a bit cheaper than that

I have the wrong site anyway. It's buzinga.ca

Originally Posted by Whip

I have the wrong site anyway. It's buzinga.ca

Still pricey!!

Found this on the one of the BB pages on Facebook:

"Banners Broker Worldwide www.bannersbroker.com/euro2012 That's not a scam! In BB we do not invest. This is nothing in common with investement 22 December at 17:16 · Like"

Still peddling the same old cr*p eh?

Originally Posted by Theseus

He'll just ignore it, but bombarding him with it 2-300 times each in an hour would be fun

I really don't think its worth the effort. We need to contact terry not waste our time harrassing a scam artist.

LOL Info from Randy over on MMG F

Consumer Complaints for Banners Broker - Mid-Western & Central Ontario BBB

Originally Posted by noname999

I really don't think its worth the effort. We need to contact terry not waste our time harrassing a scam artist.

Do you know anything about him, other than he might be called Terry?

I don't to be honest. I know that one or two here have contacts in the Joe Duffy show. Maybe they could check it out?

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

LOL Info from Randy over on MMG F

Consumer Complaints for Banners Broker - Mid-Western & Central Ontario BBB

Am I right in saying this rating has gone from a 'B' to an 'F'?

Do we have anyone who has been in contact with this organisation before?

Originally Posted by noname999

Am I right in saying this rating has gone from a 'B' to an 'F'?

Do we have anyone who has been in contact with this organisation before?

Yes you are correct was B now F.

I get the feeling that the default setting for companies on that site would be a B. Only if they then investigate the company would a true rating be giving. In this case, an F. Don't quote me on this though. This is purely an assumption.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

My mate is totally genuine in his belief that BB is the best thing ever. Even when I tried to show him RS and other sites giving the opposing views, he has been so taken in that he could not face reading through this thread. There is a desperation in his need (and willingness) to believe in what BB is doing. So his due diligence which he promised to do sadly only meant asking a few questions and reading stuff on BB forums. (In a state of denial certainly)

If you were to question him in a court of law as to what was in his mind when he was recruiting people, I think I can confidently state it is not that he is trying to rip people off, he completely believes he is helping to provide financial security/freedom to people who need it. Deluded? Yup, for sure. Whether that is a criminal act, I can't answer. In the UK, if it is a criminal prosecution, it has to be proved "beyond all reasonable doubt". [I don't know how that works in other jurisdictions]

Obviously, in contrast there are those who are deliberately and knowingly targetting people who have money, who are not internet-savvy, in a certain age group etc. ...

I don't think I would be able to convince you how easy it is to fall for being recruited. And how easy it is not to recognise a scam if it's the first time you've come across one.

From the legal point of view. Do you think that Nazis should have the defence that they didn't know what the party was doing and that they knew nothing about the persecution of Jews and gypsies and Slavs and if they did they mistakenly though it was for the good of society and they really didnt know about any death camps?

Even when the evidence was there for them and they were asked to look at it?

Because that isn't how the court would see it.
If it was that case then anyone found guilty of anything could say "well I didnt know about it being wrong at the time and Im sorry so can I just go home now please?"
If you ignore the evidence you are part of the problem. If you accept it and say it is a scam BEFORE the whole thing collapses then you probably have a defence.

Originally Posted by Beacon

From the legal point of view. Do you think that Nazis should have the defence that they didn't know what the party was doing and that they knew nothing about the persecution of Jews and gypsies and Slavs and if they did they mistakenly though it was for the good of society and they really didnt know about any death camps?

Even when the evidence was there for them and they were asked to look at it?

Because that isn't how the court would see it.
If it was that case then anyone found guilty of anything could say "well I didnt know about it being wrong at the time and Im sorry so can I just go home now please?"
If you ignore the evidence you are part of the problem. If you accept it and say it is a scam BEFORE the whole thing collapses then you probably have a defence.

That's why ignorance is not a valid defence...

Originally Posted by Brenda

Firstly, when I contacted the show, the BB name was already familiar to them.

Brenda PM sent do you know how to read your pm?