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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon View Post
    New Dork New Dork! So good he conned us twice?

    https://www.facebook.com/NSSupport#!...type=1&theater



    My first impressions ...looks like Ernie Wise.


    Global Wealth Trade (GWT) - Business - Executive Team

    Dont think GWT will be happy supporting this scam. Wont be good for business. Maybe GWT should issue a statement?

    Federal Corporation Information - 7199333

    UNIT 1 - 11 SIMS CRESCENT
    RICHMOND HILL ON L4B 1C9
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    something I just came across

    GWT Facts » The Internet greatness and falsities leopards and spots perhaps?

    and this

    Today Newspaper St. Maarten » Today’s Opinion: Global Wealth Trade: too good to be true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    Hmm. does this mean that David Hooker has resigned from GWT? If not, then he is in violation of BB's TOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Hmm. does this mean that David Hooker has resigned from GWT? If not, then he is in violation of BB's TOS.
    From 2009
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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    People will probably think I'm an ass when I say the following but here goes:

    BB is my first experience of something like this. My due diligence involved discussing it with a friend who was in it. They said it was a no risk opportunity and that I could double my money repeatedly. They said i would be in their downline.
    I looked at a website that had a canadian guy with a jacket that didn't fit him and an Irish guy that couldn't speak properly. I asked to see samples of the banners. There were no banners to show me. I asked what websites the banners would be on. They said the websites were a secret.

    Here comes the ass bit...

    This due diligence took me 10 minutes talking to someone and 5 minutes on a computer. There was no rocket science involved. No amazing detective work. I have grown tired of people making excuses for the suckers of this scheme. Everyone who has got involved in this scam has at some level known there was something not quite right. They either were too lazy to look deeper or they were willing to take a risk. In some cases they just didn't want to know. You said yourself that you are accepting responsibility for your involvement. I admire that. At least you are being honest.

    Being blinded by greed is a powerful force and people do stupid things because of it. I just want people to start taking responsibility for their actions. There is guilt on both sides of the fence. Both the conmen and the suckers.

    There are no get rich schemes. Time for alot of people to grow up.
    Good post, BUT !!!. There are salesmen/conmen who can work around this, it's been going on for years.

    There are also people who are desperate, maybe lost their jobs and down to the last few hundred pounds or worse and KNOW that nothings going to get better without taking a gamble.

    That last paragraph more or less describes me, I'm probably one of the luckier ones as there is still a little light at the end of the tunnel, but I hoped that BB could have been a saviour, that's why more than anything else I tried it out.

    Then again of course, the vast majority probably don't give a toss about anyone else as long as the cash keeps rolling in (most don't seem to understand that figures on a screen are not real cash, but that's a different story).

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    BTW folks, after discovering one certain person from BB is involved in FlexKom, I thought it wise to get in early and start a brand new thread regarding this company.

    FlexKom - Another Ponzi Scheme ?
    http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-a...i-scheme-1862/

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHoward View Post
    Good post, BUT !!!. There are salesmen/conmen who can work around this, it's been going on for years.

    There are also people who are desperate, maybe lost their jobs and down to the last few hundred pounds or worse and KNOW that nothings going to get better without taking a gamble.

    That last paragraph more or less describes me, I'm probably one of the luckier ones as there is still a little light at the end of the tunnel, but I hoped that BB could have been a saviour, that's why more than anything else I tried it out.

    Then again of course, the vast majority probably don't give a toss about anyone else as long as the cash keeps rolling in (most don't seem to understand that figures on a screen are not real cash, but that's a different story).
    It's all in the numbers.

    Banners Broker claims to have how many members ???

    Zeek Rewards had over a million members.

    They come from all across the globe and include many different races, colours, creeds, ages, levels of sophistication, education and desperation.

    There is no all encompassing common theme among them.

    There are even victims without internet access, who, instead rely on family and/or friends to manage their accounts.

    Watch a few more of these HYIP ponzis and you'll quickly realize there's no way to classify all participants the same or even similar.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Noname, Stephen

    You guys were obviously pitched by someone who was banging on about the returns of money. The people around me talked more about the business side of it. Most notably the advertising element, this is what interested me the most.

    Had I been pitched on that basis I would not have even done research, it would have been a simple no.

    Also one of the people in my group was a publisher, which helped prove (at the time) the business aspect of it.

    What you have to remember is that, ignoring the need for affiliates, there is a mildly plausible business model. The huge need for recruiting is what turns this into a Ponzi.

    My research was lazy due to a trust of my peers, many of which still believe this to be a sound business.

    That said not long after I first came in I started to look at profit generating strategies. Greed therefore possibly took over; however, I did eventually realise where the cash was truly coming from.

    What I am getting is that not everyone joins or is pitched to in the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Jordan, you need to report this straight away. We have had other BB members who have had their accounts frozen(there money stolen), yet they haven't reported it to the authorities. By not doing so, they are actually helping these crooks. To help others, these reports need to be made.

    If I had been unlucky enough to get involved with these scam artists, I would report it straight away. I certainly would do it before spending time on threads like this. I implore you to do the same J.
    But what to I report, no money was stolen (yet) or anything like that, the support is like **** and they are maybe talking like stupid but I can't be 100% sure that they are stealing money..

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    this post on bb international website.....of interest is here, in april 2012, he claims there are 20,000 members.....so has bb gained over 230,000 members in 8months? also couldn't help but notice he refers to 'investing' and how he doubled his money.......

    ".......................You Guy's are thinking that Banners Broker is a Scam or too good to be True?
    By Prabhudatta Nayak, on April 22, 2012
    Mob:- +919040602378 (India)
    Email me:- prabhudattanayak89@gmail.com


    I just wanted to write this to all the people out there that maybe think this “Banners Broker” business is a scam or thinking maybe it sounds too good to be true?
    Wrong!!
    Well after speaking to a couple of friends and watching what they have been doing over the last few months I have been blow away with the results they have been getting from their initial investment.For example one of my friends invested £5000 after selling his car and paying of a couple of debts. He now has recouped over double his money back and has 25k still waiting to be qualified.
    I got a call from a good friend of mine Ian Waterfield who I have known for years and he said to me that if I did not get traffic and make money then he would personally refund my money!!! it was simply an offer I could not refuse
    So I joined & yes I am promoting all my businesses with banner ads & getting paid in sales credits that can be taken in even more traffic or commissions, Incredible, INNOVATIVE, Unique business.
    You simply can’t loose. I have of course got traffic & made money & so has everyone that has joined bannersbroker, so what are you waiting for?
    The company have delivered over 6 BILLION ad impressions and paid out huge amounts in the form of sales credits
    EVERYONE who gets sales credits which can be taken as
    traffic or real hard cash, yes, money..!
    there are about 20,000 members worldwide & growing fast everyday.
    This is NOT a money game, a scam, this is a GENUINE business with a real Product that provides real banner ads & gives you a fantastic return , and extra revenue income streams.
    Well I just had to get in and invest and see what happens, I have invested in the Enterprise combo and will upgrade later .You can even get in for free (invitation only)

    To get started to make your fortune CLICK HERE TO JOIN
    or Sign up here for free and get 1000 impressions BannersBroker
    After your heart will make a decision to work with me, then upgrade your Account with your desired Panel.

    Looking towards your Success !
    Prabhudatta Nayak
    Young Entreprenuer and Online Marketing Coach!
    Posted 23rd April by PRABHUDATTA NAYAK..........................................."

    Have contacted internal affairs and consumer affairs scamwatch here in NZ and await their response.....

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    hi again sorry for the double post......slip of the mouse.....here is a list from bb international website BANNERS BROKER INTERNATIONAL .................................unsure if rs have mentioned all these names, do we know about all these bb leaders.....................

    Derek Overington – Team Leader UK
    Derek has been marketing on the internet for over 5 years and has had many successes with different business models. He has helped other people also enjoy success by training and mentoring them on the skills required to run a business online.
    Now an experienced internet marketer, Derek regularly gives guidance and advice resulting in many success stories giving people the opportunity to make regular 5 figure monthly sums.

    Eddie Garcia – Team Leader US
    Eddie lives and enjoys life on the edge by helping others achieve financial success using network marketing strategies acquired from his internet experiences. His most recent success has been acquired through Banner Brokers and he is Team Leader for the US members.
    Eddie now uses his acquired strategies to assist others succeed online and off line all over the world. He is sought after as an adviser by team members and is on his way to establishing a 5 figure monthly income with the potential to earn a 6 and 7 figure income in the very near future. His ultimate desire is for everyone he advises to be as successful or more successful than himself.

    Bardur Gunnarsson – Team Leader Ireland
    Bardur has been an Icelandic translator for 18 years. Having been a team leader, he has developed the skills and ability to motivate and help people set and achieve their goals. For some, he is a financial and investment advocate for his careful and wise financial advises. He has engaged himself in various investments, both online and offline, for over 10 years now and is passionately investing in preserving the nature, for he is a nature-lover.
    Bardur’s firm belief is that Banners Broker will work effectively for everyone regardless of their current financial status. He is now actively working with Banners Broker and enjoys reaching out to people as he shares this limitless opportunity and educates them about Banners Broker.

    Marius Puluikis – Team Leader Lithuania
    Marius has been a self employed wedding photographer for 4 years and has enjoyed working with many different people. He is a confident speaker and very well organised. He started marketing online in 2009 and has travelled the full lifecycle of failures and successes.
    Marius really enjoys coaching other people and enjoys showing them how they can start making money online and achieve their goals. Marius is confident that Banners Broker is the way to go for most people who want to have an online business.
    DON’T JUST TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT!

    JOIN HERE FOR FREE and get your first 1000 impressions for free !













    Regards,

    Prabhudatta Nayak
    Posted 23rd April by PRABHUDATTA NAYAK

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    HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT..!


    HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT WITH BANNERS BROKER:-

    First sign up free on the link given below and get 1000 impressions:-
    CLICK HERE TO JOIN NOW

    Then u can upgrade your account by Credit card or debit card or Solid Trust pay. You can make the payment only through Visa and Master Debit card.

    One most important question must be going on in your mind. "Will i get the training"?

    Yes of course i will show you everything through Teamviewer software, where u can see everything on your computer screen.

    I decided to try it out with a $415 Professional package

    After 4 months, I noticed that the advertising I bought was actually more than twice what I initially purchased.This was truly amazing,however there was a an admin fee (the fee is $15 per month for a standard subscription or $100 for a premium) that I had to pay every month which covers administration of the site and you get plenty of benefits from that as well. Nevertheless your return would cover the admin fee and you will still be in profit believe me.

    Here is the Math. Say you buy a Professional package at $415 and you decide to opt for the standard $15 fee, remember that in 4 months you will get 2 Green Panels ($400) and from that you will get
    2 x$270 plus 2x $90 plus 2 x$30 plus 2x $10=$800 .

    Less 4 x $15= $60 Admin fee = $60

    Therefore Net Profit = $740 Isn't it Simple !

    You can make money with Banners Broker and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure how it works,now i could take my partner on vacation, but why stop there when you can make a lot more..$$$$, how much money do you want to make?It is up to you. You can go small with a green package at $415 to see that it works then go big after you have seen that it works.

    CONCLUSION:-
    This is the real deal folks, its not a fly by night company nor a ponzy scheme, and they are here to stay and I know that because they are getting compliant in every country. That way they are protecting themselves for a long sustained future. I know that I will be a millionaire with Banners Broker much faster than my own internet marketing business.

    So, The decision is in your hands..Make sure that you make up your mind first and take a good decision. I 'll be there to help you to teach you to succeed in Banners Broker.
    REGISTER HERE

    Looking for your Valuable response..!

    Regards,

    Prabhudatta Nayak
    Mob - +919040602378 (Call make in India only)
    Email: prabhudattanayak89@gmail.com
    Posted 23rd April by PRABHUDATTA NAYAK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    Oh the best sentence on that first page is this one:

    "It is irresponsible and illegal to bash a company or individuals based on uninformed opinion."

    Now my question is how do you measure "uninformed opinion"? If I'm slating BB, how do you (or they) know my opinion is uninformed.... discuss


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    "It is irresponsible and illegal to bash a company or individuals based on uninformed opinion."
    That's as may be,

    What does it have to do with discussing a HYIP ponzi disguised as a "real business" ??

    Once again I say:

    If what we're doing is "illegal" then why aren't we in a courtroom discussing this ??

    Where IS that legal team ??

    Goodness knows we're trying hard enough to provoke some REAL legal action instead of all this huffing and puffing and chest beating from the HYIP ponzi apologists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHoward View Post

    Then again of course, the vast majority probably don't give a toss about anyone else as long as the cash keeps rolling in (most don't seem to understand that figures on a screen are not real cash, but that's a different story).
    food for thought. It deserveds some academic analysis.
    I think altemeyers "leaders/followers" thesis goes some way to explaining it
    Bob Altemeyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I would add the "anomie" c.f. Émile Durkheim of postmodern society
    Suicide (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Durkheim explored (in 1897) the differing suicide rates among Protestants and Catholics, arguing that stronger social control among Catholics results in lower suicide rates.

    I would argue that today the collapse of the community e.g. Church ( which isnt just going to Mass but has for example in my parish over 50 pastoral groups, the miniority of which are theologically related) , local sports being replaced with TV or internet games, shopping ordered online or done in single hyopermarkets, craftsmen and trades disappearing etc. in particular the collapse of the family unit and the elevation of individualism and praise of materialism and mediocrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshKen1 View Post

    "It is irresponsible and illegal to bash a company or individuals based on uninformed opinion."
    That in itself is an outright lie, at least in the UK.

    If you say that BB is definitely a Ponzi, then YES, you would be leaving yourself open to potential legal action.

    If you state that in your opinion Banners Broker is a Ponzi scheme, then thats fine and NO legal action would be possible.

    It's called free speech.

    Personally, I think it's irresponsible NOT to say anything if you suspect you're involved in a Ponzi scheme or know something about one.

    While I'm on the subject of talking about this potentially this being a Ponzi, people are discussing it and this thread in phone calls, emails and on the many forums (but moderators DO remove such comments from some forums).

    This thread is having an effect, people are starting to complain that it's having an effect on recruiting and people who joined are asking their upline to buy them out.

    Not only is recruiting being affected, but people are also starting to leave. Allegedly.

    All allegedly and in my humble opinion :) (Just in case)

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post

    Watch a few more of these HYIP ponzis and you'll quickly realize there's no way to classify all participants the same or even similar.
    I disagree. ever seen the life of Brian?

    THEY ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL!

    BB members: Yes we are all individual
    Raj: You can all think for yourselves and not be put of investing by nay sayers and doom mongers.
    BB members:Yes we can all think for yourselves and not be put of investing by nay sayers and doom mongers
    Raj: You are not robots and each of you deserves respect.
    Raj: You are all individual
    BB members: Yes we are all individual
    Raj: Say it again. You are all individual
    BB members: Yes we are all individual
    Raj: Again. You are all individual
    BB members: Yes we are all individual
    Beacon. Im not.
    BB members: Shutup you naysayer. Nobody respects you anyway
    Raj: #Hehe Job done#

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy View Post
    Noname, Stephen

    You guys were obviously pitched by someone who was banging on about the returns of money. The people around me talked more about the business side of it. Most notably the advertising element, this is what interested me the most.

    Had I been pitched on that basis I would not have even done research, it would have been a simple no.

    Also one of the people in my group was a publisher, which helped prove (at the time) the business aspect of it.

    What you have to remember is that, ignoring the need for affiliates, there is a mildly plausible business model. The huge need for recruiting is what turns this into a Ponzi.

    My research was lazy due to a trust of my peers, many of which still believe this to be a sound business.

    That said not long after I first came in I started to look at profit generating strategies. Greed therefore possibly took over; however, I did eventually realise where the cash was truly coming from.

    What I am getting is that not everyone joins or is pitched to in the same way.
    Okay, so the automatic question was, where will the banners be? I also think the business side pitch is extremely weak. Make money while advertising you business. This doesn't even make sense. Remember the guy on the Joe Duffy show?

    Anyway, I'm not here to argue what people should or shouldn't dowhen approached. That is their own business. I only answered your question as i thought it would show how simple it is to recognise that this is a scam. There is no argument from the shills that can get around this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHoward View Post

    While I'm on the subject of talking about this potentially this being a Ponzi, people are discussing it and this thread in phone calls, emails and on the many forums (but moderators DO remove such comments from some forums).

    This thread is having an effect, people are starting to complain that it's having an effect on recruiting and people who joined are asking their upline to buy them out.

    Not only is recruiting being affected, but people are also starting to leave. Allegedly.
    Nice to know that RS is right to keep on about BB and that people are starting to wake up to the reality of BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanBright View Post
    But what to I report, no money was stolen (yet) or anything like that, the support is like **** and they are maybe talking like stupid but I can't be 100% sure that they are stealing money..
    Because as mantalmaniac has said, 'allied wallet either don't know what they are doing, or they are breaking the law'. They are giving your card info to BB. This has to be reported. Don't you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHoward View Post
    While I'm on the subject of talking about this potentially this being a Ponzi, people are discussing it and this thread in phone calls, emails and on the many forums (but moderators DO remove such comments from some forums).
    Can I ask what forums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Okay, so the automatic question was, where will the banners be? I also think the business side pitch is extremely weak. Make money while advertising you business. This doesn't even make sense. Remember the guy on the Joe Duffy show?

    Anyway, I'm not here to argue what people should or shouldn't do when approached. That is their own business. I only answered your question as i thought it would show how simple it is to recognise that this is a scam. There is no argument from the shills that can get around this.
    I'm going to disagree with you noname slightly and tell you how it is for me. The approach was made by a friend I have known for over 30 years. Yes, he has tried to recruit me (and continues to do so even now). Not some stranger in a dark alleyway, a good, close family friend.

    If you extrapolate my experience to a whole load of others recruited into BB, I think the following happens.

    The initial mistrust is likely to be put to one side because of that existing relationship between the person recruiting and the potential newbie. When you ask the question, where will the banners be the response will quite often be fudged. Now if it's your mate who has just got into the business, s/he may not know all the answers right there and then because they are just learning.... Excuses are made because of who the messenger is, not because of how bad the business opportunity appears. People want to help their friends etc get a leg up and so it grows.

    My mate is totally genuine in his belief that BB is the best thing ever. Even when I tried to show him RS and other sites giving the opposing views, he has been so taken in that he could not face reading through this thread. There is a desperation in his need (and willingness) to believe in what BB is doing. So his due diligence which he promised to do sadly only meant asking a few questions and reading stuff on BB forums. (In a state of denial certainly)

    If you were to question him in a court of law as to what was in his mind when he was recruiting people, I think I can confidently state it is not that he is trying to rip people off, he completely believes he is helping to provide financial security/freedom to people who need it. Deluded? Yup, for sure. Whether that is a criminal act, I can't answer. In the UK, if it is a criminal prosecution, it has to be proved "beyond all reasonable doubt". [I don't know how that works in other jurisdictions]

    Obviously, in contrast there are those who are deliberately and knowingly targetting people who have money, who are not internet-savvy, in a certain age group etc. Those are the ones I personally would call shills and pimps. Those are the ones who 'nudged' my friend at a recruitment rally so that he cashed in a stable real investment to plough more money into BB. Those are the ones that are beneath contempt.

    I don't think I would be able to convince you how easy it is to fall for being recruited. And how easy it is not to recognise a scam if it's the first time you've come across one.
    Last edited by AshKen1; 12-29-2012 at 08:40 AM. Reason: To make sure I'm being clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Hmm. does this mean that David Hooker has resigned from GWT? If not, then he is in violation of BB's TOS.
    my point is, I don't think GWT or BB care about Hookers involvement once they can both use his name, see a pattern ? Also, have been unable to establish if GWT is still going. There is nothing out there that I can find past Jan/Feb 2012??

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshKen1 View Post
    I'm going to disagree with you noname slightly and tell you how it is for me. The approach was made by a friend I have known for over 30 years. Yes, he has tried to recruit me (and continues to do so even now). Not some stranger in a dark alleyway, a good, close family friend.

    If you extrapolate my experience to a whole load of others recruited into BB, I think the following happens.

    The initial mistrust is likely to be put to one side because of that existing relationship between the person recruiting and the potential newbie. When you ask the question, where will the banners be the response will quite often be fudged. Now if it's your mate who has just got into the business, s/he may not know all the answers right there and then because they are just learning.... Excuses are made because of who the messenger is, not because of how bad the business opportunity appears. People want to help their friends etc get a leg up and so it grows.

    My mate is totally genuine in his belief that BB is the best thing ever. Even when I tried to show him RS and other sites giving the opposing views, he has been so taken in that he could not face reading through this thread. There is a desperation in his need (and willingness) to believe in what BB is doing. So his due diligence which he promised to do sadly only meant asking a few questions and reading stuff on BB forums. (In a state of denial certainly)

    If you were to question him in a court of law as to what was in his mind when he was recruiting people, I think I can confidently state it is not that he is trying to rip people off, he completely believes he is helping to provide financial security/freedom to people who need it. Deluded? Yup, for sure. Whether that is a criminal act, I can't answer. In the UK, if it is a criminal prosecution, it has to be proved "beyond all reasonable doubt". [I don't know how that works in other jurisdictions]

    Obviously, in contrast there are those who are deliberately and knowingly targetting people who have money, who are not internet-savvy, in a certain age group etc. Those are the ones I personally would call shills and pimps. Those are the ones who 'nudged' my friend at a recruitment rally so that he cashed in a stable real investment to plough more money into BB. Those are the ones that are beneath contempt.

    I don't think I would be able to convince you how easy it is to fall for being recruited. And how easy it is not to recognise a scam if it's the first time you've come across one.
    Sorry Ken, I still disagree. I have known the person who tried to recruit me for many years too. I wouldn't be a great friend of hers but know her a long time.
    When you hear no risk and double your money it has to raise doubts, no matter who is approaching you. Also, if they can't show you the product, or where it is to be found...you have to sceptical. This is when you ask questions. If you can't get answers you do not invest. Its called common sense.

    You have said your friend fully believes in this venture. I disagree. If someone is in a state of denial they know deep down, something is up.The fact they won't even take a critical look at this proves my point. - They are afraid of what they will find.

    Here is another difficult point, but has to be said:

    Friends, for the large part, do not recruit friends to give them a leg up. This may be a minor reason but not the main one.

    This will be controversial but its the truth. - The main reason friends try to recruit friends, is to validate their choice. To prove that they made the right decision. They do not understand the workings themselves(no matter what they tell you or themselves). They need to feel secure. this comes from having others willing to go with them. If these others are friends it further validates their position.

    I know people will refute this positon but it is the truth.
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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Guys we can speculate forever on the stereotypical recruiter / recruited. I can only speak for Ireland here, but it's in an economic mess. When I heard they were taking their circus, sorry gala to town in an effort to recruit vunerable / even desperate people on what looked to me like a ponzi scheme I saw red. There are so many people looking at ways to escape their debt that anything that might work would be worth a try, even if it was at the cost of a fill of oil/ spare Christmas money. These schemes are like elastic bands, you never know exactly when stretched , it will reach snapping point. All those people were at risk of losing their money, whether it be this week, next month or in 6 months. I didn't care who believed what or how it was sold, just needed it stopped or at least people warned.

    This was my approach to Joe Duffy and he agreed, it needed airing and he did. As I see it though, nice and all as it would be to have the recruiters stopped, the big missing piece in the publicity puzzle are victims. We need more victims to come forward, we need to hear their stories of how it went pear shaped for them.

    IMHO, it is the best way to appear unbiased and yet more damning at the same time.

    SO COME ON GUYS, LET'S HEAR FROM YOU!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post

    This was my approach to Joe Duffy and he agreed, it needed airing and he did. As I see it though, nice and all as it would be to have the recruiters stopped, the big missing piece in the publicity puzzle are victims. We need more victims to come forward, we need to hear their stories of how it went pear shaped for them.
    Brenda do we know or could we find out if Terry from the Joe Duffy show ever received his promised refund?
    Promised by (Paul McCarthy Banners Broker's top man in Ireland I'm led to believe)
    He was told he would have it before Christmas.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    Guys we can speculate forever on the stereotypical recruiter / recruited. I can only speak for Ireland here, but it's in an economic mess. When I heard they were taking their circus, sorry gala to town in an effort to recruit vunerable / even desperate people on what looked to me like a ponzi scheme I saw red. There are so many people looking at ways to escape their debt that anything that might work would be worth a try, even if it was at the cost of a fill of oil/ spare Christmas money. These schemes are like elastic bands, you never know exactly when stretched , it will reach snapping point. All those people were at risk of losing their money, whether it be this week, next month or in 6 months. I didn't care who believed what or how it was sold, just needed it stopped or at least people warned.

    This was my approach to Joe Duffy and he agreed, it needed airing and he did. As I see it though, nice and all as it would be to have the recruiters stopped, the big missing piece in the publicity puzzle are victims. We need more victims to come forward, we need to hear their stories of how it went pear shaped for them.

    IMHO, it is the best way to appear unbiased and yet more damning at the same time.

    SO COME ON GUYS, LET'S HEAR FROM YOU!!!
    Fair play to you Brenda for getting Joe to take this on and making it so public. As usual, there are a few questions I hope you can answer.

    How much response did he have to the programme?

    What are the authorities doing to encourage victims to come forward since the programme was aired?

    What else can Joe do to encourage this (if anything)?

    I don't suppose you will know all the answers, but maybe this will prompt someone else to respond.

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