Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by AshKen1

That would appear to be the case. A really useful er... tool.

Actually, it follows the BB ethic to a T. One way traffic from you (punter) to the business the hard way.

I'm surprised you're not asked to produce ID to use it... Hush my mouth, that must be in the next upgrade

Of course, that does not negate the use of the Support desk ticket which is always dealt with in a timely manner

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Of course, that does not negate the use of the Support desk ticket which is always dealt with in a timely manner

Isn't that a bit like getting a last minute ticket on the Titanic?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Isn't that a bit like getting a last minute ticket on the Titanic?

You may wish to say that, but I couldn't possibly comment

Originally Posted by waverider

If I want to back a racehorse called "light-speed", or a company called BB, or Amway, or Mannatech, what right do you have to try to destroy my efforts of building a business?

If you want to pour money down the drain then go ahead. But whrn you try to claim something is legit or to convince others to invest then you have an onus t support your argument.

This is the job of the regulators and lawmakers, and nobody else.

Wrong AGAIN
the consumers association for example is neither a regulator or lawmaker but its stated aim is protecting consumers' interests.

If I drive along Richmond rd at 80km/h instead of the posted 70km/h, I'd expect the long arm of the law to handle my infraction of the traffic code, which usually entails the use of some kind of measuring device such as a speed radar, rather than assumptions of excess speed by some twit sitting on the side of the road with no evidence aside from "he looked like he was doing 80+ based on this and that...." laughable.

If you emptied your car ashtray on the road in front of someone and they reported you then you could well be convicted.

Originally Posted by waverider

I have nothing to defend ...you're having a direct and indirect impact on others with your actions, and you need to be held accountable, and that day will come (unless of course you were right along, and BB is a scam...) who knows?

Wrong you have a case to defend
and we all know

Originally Posted by activeone

I got a couple of hundred $$$ riding on BB, usually about as much as I'd have in chips on the poker tables of crown or star city casinos, wow there's risk you can lose your money, must be a scam. At the track, there's a real risk you can lose your money. Geez, must be a scam.... Never mind, let's deal with accredited and regulated investments, hmmm, managed fund, yep that'll do. Geez, there is a RISK i might lose some or all of my money? No way, it must be a scam.

this constantly regurgitated analogy with gambling is not apt!
BB dont claim to be a gamble they claim to be a "sure thing" investment

The real beauty of BB is you don't have get yourself in over your head putting in 'big bucks' you've just blown $25 no big deal.... Not many opportunity things out there where you can tread the water with such a small sum of money, that's for sure.!

Scamming thousands of small investors out of their last 25 is still scamming. the above shows your contempt for the poor guy who barely has 25 left over at the end of the month while the scammers swan around with the champagne.

Originally Posted by chinacastle

sorry left out the letter N in the above.Should have read haven.

LOL china learn how to use the "edit" button when you are learning to type .

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Please feel free to comment on the piece i copied and pasted as well Nooname, im sure its probably a different Littleroundman and Okosh anyways, those names are so common!!

I would like to comment on it. when you cant deal with the issue do you always try to attack the people who are winning the debate?
Please look up "ad hominem" under "logical fallacy"

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Just answered your question noname, you going to comment on your friends mentioned in my pasted piece or just ignore it?, thank you.

I just did comment on it. It is ad hominem. Do you understand that?

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Again i am staying on topic,

You are not! You are trying to post allegations about the background of RS members. the topic Iis Banners broker
If you wish to discuss RS members set up another thread on it.

But then again i have no way of knowing if its true or not what is said about them nor will i judge ,il keep my thoughts on that to myself,

You are clearly lying!
1 You posted and didnt keep it to yourself
2 you claimed to be shocked

im sure if something like that was found on someone connected with BB, the posts would be flying in by now, certainly the sound of silence is deafening.

Please pay attention. We already posted stuff like that. then when we did we moved on and left it for them to deny. And it was on topic since it related to claims made by them about BB

Originally Posted by chinacastle

So is littleroundman the fox in charge of the hen house then noname??,and its not getting off the subject matter either, is littleroundman what he seems to be??Could ask what college he went to?, get my drift, the person whos in charge?an admin? And the site i picked that up from is...IS realscam.com a haven for scammers......dont want you thinking i just made it up, check it out,i could be lying.

You really are new at this aren't you. But to give everyone here the full story about the WLD forum post you presented here, you seem to have overlooked the part about the thread being closed. You also didn't post why the Forum Admin gave as the reasons why the thread was closed. So to correct this error, on your part, here is why the Forum Admin closed the thread, and I quote:

"This thread leaves little room for constructive discussion and we have decided to close the thread.

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This is the reason that the user gave:

Harassment, unsubstantiated garbage. Please ban this guy,, How many reports have to be sent in before you do something about this moron?

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This is the reason that the user gave:

Uncle Festa is nothing more than an internet bully and needs to be dealt with, all he does is harass people.

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This is the reason that the user gave:

How long will the Mods here allow MMB and Festa to continue their defamatory comments, calling people pedophiles and purveyors of child porn? This is ridiculous!!

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This is the reason that the user gave:

Harassment, personal attacks, plain old childish behavior. Please ban this guy!

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pointless, off topic and juvenile "

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I put the tags at the bottom of the post just so you know it came from WLD and I was not lying or making it up.

Now if you want some really good juicy comments from Uncle Festa, just let me know and I'll post them here for you since he is your source for "real" information about RS and the people posting here.

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Again i am on topic,... like i say just my opinion, really shocked me.Well i must go pick my daughter up from town now, hope i answered your questions, perhaps not to your satisfaction no doubt but you got your answers.Take care now.

You are Not on topic. And you dodged the answer. You really dont know anything at all or you are hiding what you do know.In both cases why would that encourage any new investors?
And you try different tactics to wriggle off the hook.
Your latest being trying to attack RS posters personally instead of dealing with the issue.
Every time you do that you will enhance their reputation and encourage others not to invest in BB.

Originally Posted by noname999

A Question for any BB member:

What Due diligence did you do before joining BB?

To be perfectly honest, nowhere near enough.

I've alway thought that if a deal sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

On this occasion however after seeing a friend who has numerous years in the online marketing field take the plunge with a few grand into BB, I decided to take a small gamble.

I relied upon her due diligence, which included visiting friends who have been in BB for a year or more and who are earning big bucks from it.

She's actively recruiting now (I'm under her, so to speak) and I only started doing more thorough research when I saw on Facebook some members complaining about not getting paid.

I was lazy about doing the due diligence rather than stupid, but the lessons I've learnt since were well worth the money I've lost.

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Again i am staying on topic, just wanted to let others in here know that people in here are not as squeaky clean as they pretend to be and they have the right to know who they are dealing ,i know i was pretty shocked.But then again i have no way of knowing if its true or not what is said about them nor will i judge ,il keep my thoughts on that to myself, im sure if something like that was found on someone connected with BB, the posts would be flying in by now, certainly the sound of silence is deafening.

Hiya, chinacastle,

I'm sure you are going to have a long and successful career as a defender of HYIP ponzi scams.

One quick tip to help you in your endeavours:

Make sure you continue to use "Uncle Festa / Eddieboy / Eddie Campbell" as the source of your "information"

After all "Uncle Festa / Eddieboy / Eddie Campbell/ any one of the hundreds of other names he's used to get himself banned from forums" is so well known and so well respected, your own reputation and that of the HYIP ponzis you defend is bound to be raised.

Now, some people are going to say your use of "Uncle Festa / Eddieboy / Eddie Campbell" as part of your "due diligence" into REALSCAM.com shows your inability to do any real "due diligence" but, don't listen to them, chinacastle, don't listen to them.

Here's another tip: Don't turn your back on your new found "friend"Ask the last guy who thought he'd landed inshill heaven when he decided to use "Uncle Festa / Eddieboy / Eddie Campbell" as his source.

What was his name.........oh yes, MoneyMakingBrain.

You won't have heard of him, he was one of your many predecessors in the "discredit realscam.com" business

Why are the only people who come here to defend BB either those so far down the foodchain that they know nothing, or individuals who claim to have no investment in the company at all?

Why are they so vociferous if it is of little or no no concern to them?

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Of course, that does not negate the use of the Support desk ticket which is always dealt with in a timely manner

Ken, Ken, Ken. You're so funny, support tickets are sometimes never replied to, in fact there was a notice recently on the BB site stating that all tickets older than FOURTEEN DAYS were going to be purged from the system.


Fourteen days Ken................ Fourteen days and a query had still not been replied to, never mind an issue being solved.

Would you wait 14 days for your electricity supplier, Gas company, or car repair shop to reply to a query about a problem you had ?.

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

To be perfectly honest, nowhere near enough.

I've alway thought that if a deal sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

On this occasion however after seeing a friend who has numerous years in the online marketing field take the plunge with a few grand into BB, I decided to take a small gamble.

I relied upon her due diligence, which included visiting friends who have been in BB for a year or more and who are earning big bucks from it.

She's actively recruiting now (I'm under her, so to speak) and I only started doing more thorough research when I saw on Facebook some members complaining about not getting paid.

I was lazy about doing the due diligence rather than stupid, but the lessons I've learnt since were well worth the money I've lost.

I think this is the case with every single person who has joined BB. They mat not like to admit it but its true.

To be honest, most had probably never even heard the term until we asked the question(or not understood it anyway).

Originally Posted by chinacastle

Again i am staying on topic,

You were trying to deflect the debate from BB onto something else and failed miserably.

You've already been asked to stay on topic three times, I'm asking you as well.

Your writing skills have also improved dramatically, you're almost like a different person......... or maybe the drugs or drink have worn off.

It would be nice if you could answer some of the questions put to you, if you really don't know the answer, please answer honestly, you'll gain more credibility that way.


PS :- Just because someone picks up a phone doesn't mean they are in a big plush office, it's entirely possible they're sitting in a dingy bedroom with a CD of background office noise being played. Remember, if BB is a Ponzi, nothing and I do mean NOTHING they say or do can be trusted.

Where did all the BB defenders go? You don't think we skeered them off do you? I sure hope not. Things were just getting interesting.

They are still here. Just not prepared to discuss it seems. I wonder why.

I very much understand the term due diligence, having dealt with it during my employment days at accounting firms; however, sometimes things need to be taken in context.

essentially, I bought in for $145, which really is peanuts. The main extent of my due diligence was to trust the people around me who were making money from it. In particular I was keen on the non recruitment angle, and the advertising of my own business.

It was a difficult business model to understand and so learning on the job seemed a sensible mantra to adopt for effectively a low investment.

I would note that I deal with real and genuine businesses all the time. I had never heard of the hyip/ponzi scene previously, although I knew what a ponzi was. It never even occurred to me at the time of joining that this may be one.

it is easy in hindsight to say that a member should know everything about what they are getting involved with. I would say it is more worrying if someone doesn't find out once they are in.

The main things that drew me into my suspicions were the lack of answers, or rather the lack of concern of answers, on talking bb and from 'uplines'. In addition the total failure of banners broker to deal with its own business in professional manner. This is what drew me to other forums and in particular here.

Hopefully now that there is more info on the internet etc. about this people who follow on will do some proper research and look at things like Finch's blog and make their own mind up before joining.

I understand what you are saying Phil. I would have to say though, the mantra: 'if its too good to be true...' always holds.
That is the first clue when approached to join BB.
This should automatically make someone suspicious.
The next question then is obviously, show me the product. Of course, they can't.
If you are still not sure(don't know how that would be possible at this stage), I would ask what websites the banners would be on. They won't tell.

CASE CLOSED

(this due diligence would literally take a couple of minutes)

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

I had never heard of the hyip/ponzi scene previously, although I knew what a ponzi was. It never even occurred to me at the time of joining that this may be one.

I obviously can't speak for other forums, but, that is the main reason forums such as REALSCAM.com exist.

Without any proof, I would be surprised if 1% of the internet population HAS heard about HYIP ponzis.

Despite what "I" may think or how much "I" understand or how ridiculous the HYIP promoters claims may seem to "ME" the fact remains, people DO fall for HYIPs.

Normal, honest, hardworking, trusting, everyday people fall for them.

For sure, there are "players" there are greedy people, there are "pimps" and there are people who know exactly what they're doing.

That does not negate the fact there are genuine people who are genuine victims.

People who HAVE trusted friends, people who DO believe others in their community and DO believe they have found a way out of their financial misery.

Stupid ??? Gullible ??? Greedy ??? Desperate ??? Naive ??? Sick ??? Elderly ???

Who knows and who cares ???

Least of all the HYIP ponzi fraudsters and their apologists

They are the original equal opportunity advocates,

they'll steal from anybody

People have been victimized and NOBODY deserves to be defrauded and NOBODY has the right to steal from others, NOBODY.

THEY are the reason I do what I do and THEY are the reason REALSCAM.com exists.

Some relevant Irish legislation and authorities to contact with your story
Consumer Protection Act 2007

The Consumer Protection Act 2007 provides for enforcement mechanisms to be available to the NCA.

If the NCA considers that there is a case for looking for an injunction or a prohibition order against a trader, it may (as a first step) accept a written undertaking from the trader containing whatever terms and conditions the NCA thinks are appropriate. If the trader fails to comply with the undertaking, then the NCA may look for a prohibition order.

The NCA may serve a compliance notice on a trader whom it considers to have engaged in a prohibited activity. The trader has 14 days in which to appeal the notice. If the trader fails to comply, the NCA may take criminal proceedings

Pyramid Selling Act, 1980

see specifically sections 2,3, 4 and especially 6

6.—(1) A person guilty of an offence under this Act shall be liable, on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding £10,000 or, at the discretion of the court, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both the fine and the imprisonment.

Now for all the people threathening lawyers on RS posters i strongly urge you to cease and desist. ~Not because Im scared but because in so doing you are showing you support BB and are pimping it and that makes you liable for damages.
To all victims of the scheme in Ireland, I urge you to contact the local Gardai and the NCA who can insist the Gardai act.
victims are entitled to their money. ( section 4) Those who continue to promote arent and are liable to prosecution - See the above sections for reference.

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

To be perfectly honest, nowhere near enough.

I've alway thought that if a deal sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

On this occasion however after seeing a friend who has numerous years in the online marketing field take the plunge with a few grand into BB, I decided to take a small gamble.

I relied upon her due diligence, which included visiting friends who have been in BB for a year or more and who are earning big bucks from it.

She's actively recruiting now (I'm under her, so to speak) and I only started doing more thorough research when I saw on Facebook some members complaining about not getting paid.

I was lazy about doing the due diligence rather than stupid, but the lessons I've learnt since were well worth the money I've lost.

I really like this and hope everyone can see the lesson and save in the long run.

Life is about mistakes and if only we could learn and not loss over and over again it will help

loss a little and learn a lot....

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

Your writing skills have also improved dramatically, you're almost like a different person......... or maybe the drugs or drink have worn off.

Or maybe ActivRog has taken the laptop off his teenage daughter?
It could have been Rog himself after a session smoking moths! Surely weed isn't that hard to find on the Gold Coast?

You only have to read that World Law thread to see its the ravings of a lunatic, talking (rambling) to himself in the main.
I assumed UncleFesta had since been committed after finding the thread a couple of months ago.

Originally Posted by activeone

Buddy, lawyers ain't gonna happen until they can get their fingers onto your real names and addresses, then you'd be taken to the cleaners. Trolls are an interesting lot. Big on balls but when it comes to the crunch, it's time to weasel back into your little hole (visualizing an image of Saddam Hussein in his final moments just as he was about to get plucked out by the US military)... Seriously.... None of this would hold any water in any court of law. 2013's going to be an awesome year for some of us.

PM the name of your lawyer and the law firm.....I will ring them next week(after new year) and confirm that you have instructed them to sue me.....Once confirmed I will supply the lawyer with my name, address etc....

We'll have a chat this time next year, and if you just happen to be dropping by sunny Melbourne, let me know, we'll have a couple of friendly drinkies on me, howzat?

I'm in melbourne usually once a month....But I don't drink....But I'd never say no to your shout at the Lobster Cave in Beaumaris or for pizza and coffee in Lygon street if your a tight arse....

Originally Posted by JordanBright

Hello guys, I have a new update on the allied wallet part that I talked about, well let's start -

this whole thing started because I wanted to know if any card information that I added to allied wallet has moved to banners broker, I asked them that question and this the sum of the email I got:




well that is new, allied wallet process transactions and they DO NOT have my credit card information so why the hell did I load my ewallet there, if they are just proccessing the payments? I asked them that question and the answer was -



wait, so you do have my credit card info? why did you lie about it the first time?
so then I asked them why did I load up the ewallet thing, if they only take the credit card and give it to banners broker, I loaded 500$ to allied wallet, what was that all about? and asked again if banners broker have my card info + I asked where did I say I wanted to give banners broker my card info, as I said I loaded an EWALLET so my card info sould have been "safe" or just safer.. but now, the card info might be in banners broker database..

they didn't answer and I asked another question, how do they see my account? as I said before I asked for 2 weeks to close my account/remove my credit card. after two weeks they said my account was closed..

waited another day, still no answer.

the answer came 2 days after the first email -



again, so why did I load up my EWALLET and put my credit card there!

this time I started to get angry and asked again about why ewallet if they only proccess they payment and AGAIN about banners broker having my credit card number.

the answer came and it was -



get this, they have an ewallet because they USED to offer this feature but now they are not supporting this feature, SO WHY THE HELL DID YOU GAVE MY AN OPTION TO LOAD AN EWALLET, btw here is the site - https://www.alliedwallet.com/ as you can see up there is an ewallet option and the option is still valid.. it may not be after they see the email I sent them.

and they don't know what information was given to banners broker.. they are proccessing the payment but they don't know what info they gave... wow just wow.

so if I'm getting somthing wrong here and they did everything ok and I'm just stupid please tell me but I think it's wrong to put an ewallet option when you don't support it..

and please tell me if you see from the emails the allied wallet didn't gave banners broker my credit card info.
and another question, in the Payment gateway proccess does the merchant get my credit card at any point?

Jordan, I find this quite disturbing - Allied Wallet have basically said that Banners Broker have the card details for many users. This would explain the random (but so far few) claims that money is being taken via unauthorised transactions that I queried several pages back.

You must inform your bank, and cancel your card - There is no safe alternative. Give your bank the full back story, they will investigate.

Originally Posted by noname999

I understand what you are saying Phil. I would have to say though, the mantra: 'if its too good to be true...' always holds.
That is the first clue when approached to join BB.
This should automatically make someone suspicious.
The next question then is obviously, show me the product. Of course, they can't.
If you are still not sure(don't know how that would be possible at this stage), I would ask what websites the banners would be on. They won't tell.

CASE CLOSED

(this due diligence would literally take a couple of minutes)

I agree, but I would say that again, a lack of full understanding of web advertising easily shows how someone can be led to believe the product exists.

It is also easy to be led to think why do they need the money. My understanding was to fund the company. Again, it only once you are in you realise the extent of the recruiting drive.

The first thing did when I joined was to get some campaigns going. It didn't take long to realise the advertising numbers don't stack up.

What worried me most was the amount of people who either didn't use the campaigns or only used it to advertise Banners Broker.

I would agree with another poster that due diligence was and is lazy when joining for a lot of people, including myself. It usually revolves around speaking to a lot of people locally who you know and trust.

Originally Posted by noname999

I understand what you are saying Phil. I would have to say though, the mantra: 'if its too good to be true...' always holds.
That is the first clue when approached to join BB.
This should automatically make someone suspicious.
The next question then is obviously, show me the product. Of course, they can't.
If you are still not sure(don't know how that would be possible at this stage), I would ask what websites the banners would be on. They won't tell.

CASE CLOSED

(this due diligence would literally take a couple of minutes)

Btw, can I ask have you ever joined up with one of these schemes.

My reason for being here is that I feel I got duped into something and it was my own fault, which pisses me off! However, it was my first foray into this world!

I therefore feel that if I can provide enough information to stop others also getting duped they won't have a similar experience to me.

I just wonder if at some point you must have had a similar experience at some point. In which case what was your due diligence.