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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    in all due respect, the ultimate decision whether BB is some kind of ponzi or not, is a decision that need to be made in a court of competent jurisdiction, with real evidence and a real prosecution, not a bunch of wannabe detectives who hide behind their computer screens and keyboards using fake screen handles, just taking a vicious poke at everything, anybody and anything that's beyond the scope of their 9-5 employee (or subcontractor) mentality lifestyle. I don't fully understand it, therefore it must be a scam or a ponzi. There's only one way this argument will ever be settled, and that's if and when BB are required to formulate a defense showing their business model is not a ponzi, but where the majority of revenue comes in fact from advertising revenue and not from member subscriptions (which are basically purchasing more advertising inventory as there are no joining fees, aside from the monthly admin fee).

    I hope you realize the potential implications that can result in publicly defaming companies and individuals on the internet. The resulting law-suit can well strip you of all your major assets, depending on your juristiction's bankruptcy laws, certainly kiss your mortgage and house goodbye, the resultant fall-out may well see you demoted from your beloved 9-5 employee lifestyle to one on unemployment welfare when your boss sees your spiteful attempts at sinking a reputable company a threat to his own business, potentially playing with fire here, but that's alright, you're so damn sure BB's a scam and a ponzi, just stick to your guns, but don't go screaming conspiracy theories and such when the **** hits the fan. On the other hand, it may well be a scam. Doubtful, but everything's possible in this world. You don't have the facts, just wishy-washy crap scraped off the net. On the other hand, from the pro-BB side, we can't really offer a hell lot more ourselves either, as much is propaganda from the upper echolons of the company, plus personal opinions and feeling from the various affiliates.

    Honestly and seriously, WHO are you going to believe? There'd be about a dozen or three vocal anti-BB people here, really vocal ones, plus a few more with their doubts, thanks mostly to the vocal ones and their wishy-washy "evidence" - there are approximately 250'000 affiliates in BB, even if that number were just 100'000 which is what the numbers thrown around were when I first joined, whether it's 100k or 250k affiliates or a thousand with a grudge of some sort, WHO are you going to believe? There are valid points made from both sides, but the pendulum always tends to swing towards the majority.

    If there are truly ballooning numbers of disgruntled BB affiliates owed money, and thus with a serious grudge against the company, wouldn't it be prudent to assume that there'd be a pattern of formal complaints coming together to the various law enforcement and investigative agencies that pounce on misleading and illegal activities in the various juristictions around the globe? Surely there's got to be more than a couple of news articles in some popular irish tabloid, the examiner and some radio program? Like the irish tap dancer, kept falling in the sink.
    I take it that means No you will not accept my challenge. All talk and no walk. You see I knew you were bluffing, and you just proved it. Talk about zero credibility. But do keep on flapping your gums because that is all you've got.

    And by the way. A civil case will prove it is a Ponzi if the feds raid it, or they run with the money-no court necessary. The criminal trial will determine the sentence for those running it. Only in the criminal trial can you use the "innocent until proven guilty" statement. Sheesh, I thought you were smarter than this.
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    Honourable gesture, but I'm not the one attempting to defame and hurt the business prospects of a multi-national on-line advertising company whilst using a screen handle on a forum like this. I've decided to chuck what is in my book small change, at what appears to be a multi-national on-line advertising company that in my opinions appears reasonably legit, I do not need to justify my decision to part with a few hundred bucks by posting my real name and address, perhaps phone number, however anybody with destructive intents such as yourself and others here in this forum, it's a completely different kettle of fish. You attempt to discredit and defame anybody who even has the slightest vested interest in BB. You are directly and indirectly interfering with ordinary citizens' rights to make their own choices by discouraging them to deal with a company you feel it not legit and allege to be a scam and a ponzi, based in wishy-washy evidence scraped off the net, whilst some of it truly sounds compelling and hard-hitting, unfortunately none would hold water in a court of law, they need a little more, preferably FACTS. There are people who are members of BB who are actively engaged in the recruiting game. You are directly interfering with the potential prosperity and financial futures of hard-working people who want to make a difference in their lifes and those of others. Scam.com and RS both have a vendetta against MLM's, HYIP's and the like. If I want to back a racehorse called "light-speed", or a company called BB, or Amway, or Mannatech, what right do you have to try to destroy my efforts of building a business? This is the job of the regulators and lawmakers, and nobody else. If I drive along Richmond rd at 80km/h instead of the posted 70km/h, I'd expect the long arm of the law to handle my infraction of the traffic code, which usually entails the use of some kind of measuring device such as a speed radar, rather than assumptions of excess speed by some twit sitting on the side of the road with no evidence aside from "he looked like he was doing 80+ based on this and that...." laughable. Unlike this idiot who was snapped by a member of the public on video by the looks of things, ah well, queenslander I suppose....
    Rogue P-plater facing careless driving charge after he was snapped with both feet hanging out the window | The Courier-Mail

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Since anyone here that has an IQ of room temperature knows who I am, I'll play your silly game. I will post my real name, address and phone number if you, waverider, will do the same. So put up or shut up as you told us earlier.

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    wannabe detectives. I have nothing to defend except my decision to chuck a few hundred bucks at something I believed in at the time, and something which to this day I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board. I'm not trying to destroy a company and its reputation through on-line forums, therefore I don't need to tell anybody who I am, etc, however those, such as yourself, making grand accusations, you're having a direct and indirect impact on others with your actions, and you need to be held accountable, and that day will come (unless of course you were right along, and BB is a scam...) who knows?
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    I take it that means No you will not accept my challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    I don't need to detail my extensive due diligence to a bunch of trolls hiding behind anonymous screen handles, nor do I need to justify myself in any way. As a consenting adult, I decided to throw a few hundred dollars at this, if my extensive due diligence would have found more of what I was seeking, I would have put in several thousands of dollars - as adults we make our own decisions, however well or poorly we've researched the reasons for our decisions, but what we don't need is a bunch of trolls acting as some kind of private detective /police department with trivial, circumstantial stuff in a feeble attempt to damage the reputation of a young, growing multi-national on-line advertising company like Banners Broker.

    No doubt if google chose to share its profits like Banners Broker, rather than developing browsers, android phones and operating systems and other wonderful stuff google's famous for, well the big cheese would be a scam in your books too. Simply hilarious, but a sad sign of the state of affairs with some people. Looks like the trolls love feeding on negativity and putting anything and everything and anybody who thinks different to them, down...
    How about we go for 'Show me yours and i'll show you mine'. You get us the address of multi-millionnaire business whizz Chris Smith, and the real address of the Banners Broker HQ (i.e not a UPS box, we want this shiny new 15,000 square foot office they keep banging on about.) Also, it shouldn't be hard to get us the address of the shiny new Manchester office that's opening in Manchester?

    As has been said many a time, the burden of proof is on your fine selves, not us.
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    There is no burden of proof. This is a discussion group to discuss issues. This topic is Banners Broker and deciding whether or not it is a scam.

    Several people have put compelling evidence and facts as to the likelihood of it being such.

    People like myself and Jason have been in it and found further evidence to sway our opinion towards the ponzi side. (For stating which we were both booted out)

    If you want to get involved then by all means put some genuine points across. Ranting and raving is not putting a point across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    wannabe detectives. I have nothing to defend except my decision to chuck a few hundred bucks at something I believed in at the time, and something which to this day I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board. I'm not trying to destroy a company and its reputation through on-line forums, therefore I don't need to tell anybody who I am, etc, however those, such as yourself, making grand accusations, you're having a direct and indirect impact on others with your actions, and you need to be held accountable, and that day will come (unless of course you were right along, and BB is a scam...) who knows?
    You are really new at this Ponzi game aren't you. Who knows if it is a Ponzi? We all do and anyone with an IQ higher than a gerbil does as well. As for being contacted by an attorney or law firm for BB? Never going to happen. I can name you at least 10 Ponzi's that all have made the same threats, and not one ever sued anyone. It is all smoke and mirrors to make the faithful believe they are legitimate, and you fell for it.

    The only reason why you and the others are here is because RS is exposing BB for the Ponzi it is, and hurting recruiting. The only thing you can try to do is discredit us. Not going to happen, and we are not going to stop calling BB a Ponzi just because you and the others are throwing a hissy-fit because we are.

    But all of you are too funny trying to tell all of us what to do. You know like: put up or shut up, only a court of law can determine if it is a Ponzi, we all are afraid to post our real names and addresses and if we don't we are some how not credible, etc. etc.. That is only true in your minds. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. I do hope you don't think any of us are taking you seriously. If so you are in for a very rude shock and reality check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by activeone View Post
    Buddy, lawyers ain't gonna happen until they can get their fingers onto your real names and addresses, then you'd be taken to the cleaners. Trolls are an interesting lot. Big on balls but when it comes to the crunch, it's time to weasel back into your little hole (visualizing an image of Saddam Hussein in his final moments just as he was about to get plucked out by the US military)... Seriously.... None of this would hold any water in any court of law. 2013's going to be an awesome year for some of us. We'll have a chat this time next year, and if you just happen to be dropping by sunny Melbourne, let me know, we'll have a couple of friendly drinkies on me, howzat?
    One way or another, 2013 is going to be a year to remember for you, you'll either make a lot of money, or lose it.

    I seriously hope you make money, but I'm pretty sure you're involved in a Ponzi.

    If it can be proven that it most definitely is not a Ponzi, I would be recruiting big style, unfortunately some of the most relevant information is not available.

    Ask yourself this, if the figures you see in your panels can be updated on a regular basis, why can they not show where that information comes from.

    I design databases, without the latter, the former cannot be worked out.

    Do you really think that BB, if they're legitimate don't, know where the impressions come from ?, of course they would, unless they are just artificially computer generated figures.

    PS, I could write a script that would do such a thing, generate figures over a given time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHoward View Post
    One way or another, 2013 is going to be a year to remember for you, you'll either make a lot of money, or lose it.

    I seriously hope you make money, but I'm pretty sure you're involved in a Ponzi.

    If it can be proven that it most definitely is not a Ponzi, I would be recruiting big style, unfortunately some of the most relevant information is not available.

    Ask yourself this, if the figures you see in your panels can be updated on a regular basis, why can they not show where that information comes from.

    I design databases, without the latter, the former cannot be worked out.

    Do you really think that BB, if they're legitimate don't, know where the impressions come from ?, of course they would, unless they are just artificially computer generated figures.

    PS, I could write a script that would do such a thing, generate figures over a given time period.
    No script needed. They are just making up the numbers.

    Oh wait, now I will be sued by BB's legal team for saying that, right waverider?
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    Hello guys, I have a new update on the allied wallet part that I talked about, well let's start -

    this whole thing started because I wanted to know if any card information that I added to allied wallet has moved to banners broker, I asked them that question and this the sum of the email I got:

    We are Allied Wallet and we process transactions for online merchants. We do not have your card information.

    We do not share any sensitive information regarding customers transactions with any body.



    well that is new, allied wallet process transactions and they DO NOT have my credit card information so why the hell did I load my ewallet there, if they are just proccessing the payments? I asked them that question and the answer was -

    Yes, your card information is actually with Banners broker. We can see the last four numbers of the card only.
    wait, so you do have my credit card info? why did you lie about it the first time?
    so then I asked them why did I load up the ewallet thing, if they only take the credit card and give it to banners broker, I loaded 500$ to allied wallet, what was that all about? and asked again if banners broker have my card info + I asked where did I say I wanted to give banners broker my card info, as I said I loaded an EWALLET so my card info sould have been "safe" or just safer.. but now, the card info might be in banners broker database..


    they didn't answer and I asked another question, how do they see my account? as I said before I asked for 2 weeks to close my account/remove my credit card. after two weeks they said my account was closed..

    waited another day, still no answer.

    the answer came 2 days after the first email -

    We are a payment processing company. When you do a transaction your transaction is towards a particular merchant. In this case the merchant is Banners broker. We just process the transactions.

    As your transaction was processed through our payment gateway so we can see only the last four digits of the card. We do not have any access to your account.


    again, so why did I load up my EWALLET and put my credit card there!

    this time I started to get angry and asked again about why ewallet if they only proccess they payment and AGAIN about banners broker having my credit card number.

    the answer came and it was -


    We have an e-wallet because we used to offer this feature earlier but now we are not supporting this feature.

    We are not aware what information Banners broker have in their data base. For that you need to contact them directly at 1-(905) 233 4475 & (905) 233 2351
    get this, they have an ewallet because they USED to offer this feature but now they are not supporting this feature, SO WHY THE HELL DID YOU GAVE MY AN OPTION TO LOAD AN EWALLET, btw here is the site - https://www.alliedwallet.com/ as you can see up there is an ewallet option and the option is still valid.. it may not be after they see the email I sent them.

    and they don't know what information was given to banners broker.. they are proccessing the payment but they don't know what info they gave... wow just wow.

    so if I'm getting somthing wrong here and they did everything ok and I'm just stupid please tell me but I think it's wrong to put an ewallet option when you don't support it..


    and please tell me if you see from the emails the allied wallet didn't gave banners broker my credit card info.
    and another question, in the Payment gateway proccess does the merchant get my credit card at any point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I do hope you don't think any of us are taking you seriously. If so you are in for a very rude shock and reality check.
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall seeing the look on your face as that knock on your front door results in you being served with a notice to appear (summonsed to appear in court) for defamation and slander. I can name at least 10 ponzis that made the same threat, and not one sued anyone. One day you might well end up barking up the wrong tree and risk losing everything you worked hard for.... Is that cockyness worth that risk? That's a decision that can only be made by you... I got a couple of hundred $$$ riding on BB, usually about as much as I'd have in chips on the poker tables of crown or star city casinos, wow there's risk you can lose your money, must be a scam. At the track, there's a real risk you can lose your money. Geez, must be a scam.... Never mind, let's deal with accredited and regulated investments, hmmm, managed fund, yep that'll do. Geez, there is a RISK i might lose some or all of my money? No way, it must be a scam.

    The golden rule of investing is much like the golden rule of gambling, never put in more than you can afford to lose.

    The real beauty of BB is you don't have get yourself in over your head putting in 'big bucks' - I know $25 is a lot of money in some of the countries I've visited, but for most of us here, it's a cheap bottle of scotch or a round of beers at the local tavern, and no skin off our back - for the skeptics out there who like to tread carefully, whack $25 into your eWallet for a yellow package to get started and see how your ad campaign represented by that lone yellow panel you've just bought performs. If the bugger doesn't move to your satisfaction, and isn't about half way finished by the time week 2 rolls along, well you've just blown $25 no big deal.... Not many opportunity things out there where you can tread the water with such a small sum of money, that's for sure.!

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    The golden rule of investing is knowledge ,know how while gambling is pure luck and having fun if you have fun while losing.From economic point of view,BB is not investment as you do not need to know anything just pump the money like a blind chicken - nor BB is gambling as you can nowhere read in terms & conditions you need lot of luck to win few coins and that probably you will lose all your money what is WELL KNOWN when entering casino.When a group of people start to offer casino luck as business promissing that it's impossible not to make money,we have deffinition of SCAM - what would be the same if a general would promisse a soldier that he will not be killed in battle - false promisses - SCAM...all scam paths lead to BB

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    post on official facebook page.....no suprises here but always nice to repost these comments because negative comments tend to go missing in cyberspace........i left out his name because it is fair to say he looked like a good bloke in his pic :-) and he also looks to be over 65 so I hope for his sake he didn't invest opps I mean .....launder...... oh no still not right .....donate? a lot of cash he can't afford to lose......dated about an hour ago aprox 10.30pm nz time

    "Can some one tell me how I got a Banners broker card in the Mail from Banners Broker in Oshawa, ON LIH 7N9 Canada. Followed the steps and Activated the Card, went to my e-wallet to withdraw money to the BB Card and Dahhh guess what I have a red error sign comes up telling me that I have to order a BB Card first before I can load it... Come on BB get your Act Together!"

    I was stoked for the regular members that some great characters came to visit over the xmas break when things have otherwise been quite slow....understandable due to the scheduled close down.........noname, eagleone, hypanor your patience with these new characters was noteworthy and oshgosh your answers highlight the poor calibre of the bb defender and balancedviews xmas 'fill-ins'.....waverider the exact same spin has been given by many past bb defenders many of whom are now ghosts..........same bs wrapped up in xmas paper to amuse the faithfull rs posters.

    well merry xmas to those who provided pages of entertainment over the holiday........wishing you all a happy new year and looking forward to what jan 2 brings......

    Jordan bright thanks for your update I was wondering how you were getting on, the credit card details are alarming me also......most especially as (i think thesus) pointed out earlier that security questions are also being collected. while bb presents this to affiliates as ensuring bb is secure.....they are in fact obtaining answers to your personal security questions.......the same type of security questions used by banks specifically by presenting themselves or stp allied wallet etc as 'like a bank'.
    crazy the potential of what they can now do with what details and info they have, most particularly given this past xmas rush to upload id and get bb mastercards in time for holidays..............anything is possible bb owners have scam experience, millions of affiliates dollars, according to them 250,000 odd affiliates so the potential to have 250,000 id's and bank account access.................surely it wouldn't take more than.....lets say 2 weeks (perhaps from dec 21 - jan 2) for an it/maths genius to come up with an epic one-off rip off............before, like their facebook posts, they disappear into cyberspace......................
    btw - don't the posts on facebook raise red flags? besides the facts they missing most of the time even the ones left are questions about affiliates personal 'businesses' how many companies talk to their 'customers' about business via facebook????????? seriously
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    new facebook page 7 likes so far, well done!!! one question though is coca cola aware you are using their image in your bb advertising?

    About Banners Broker | Facebook

    I see someone has alerted them to realscam already, well done!!!!
    Last edited by kiwi chick nz; 12-27-2012 at 06:09 AM. Reason: noticed rs mentioned on fb site

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    by the way to the poster earlier on in this thread, can't remember who and don't really care enough to go back through to address you directly, but for the record
    I AM NOT THE FACEBOOK PAGE ......BANNERS BROKER PONZI SCAM........CREATOR....and because i am NOT the creator I DID NOT post your rs post on this facebook page.....i think it might have been jordan bright

    I AM HOWEVER A HUGE SUPPORTER........as per my signature, there is a lot of 'network' power in facebook and it may just be the answer to making a difference and a stand against these scumbags that rip off the little guy......I SINCERELY HOPE IT GOES VIRAL.....i therefore encourage all victims and their friends and family's to make the little guy count and let it be known via facebook what your experience of bb is, no comments shall be deleted there!!!!

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    From Facebook page, "Banners Broker Works" which has the following warning:

    Just to warn anyone who is thinking about posting anything negative about BB or anything at all related to that Finch Sells article your post will be deleted and you will be banned from this page.

    Hallelujah brothers.... just believe in BB and never have doubts and certainly never express them on this particular forum!!

    A nice mix of people on there for sure:

    "Lee M People who write negative comments about bb deserve to be banned from the Internet altogether. Been in BB for 8 months always paid on time and am making a ton of cash 2013 I am aiming for a 7 figure income online! Oh yeah I got proof of everything! Bb rocks and merry Xmas to all who are in BB we will laugh all the way to the bank next year
    23 December at 23:54 via mobile · Like · 15"


    I'm sure this man's kids will be looking to him for a bail out eventually as well

    "Steve W I joined BB in June of 2011. It has changed my financial future in the greatest of ways! I am now a six figure earner in BB and I love it! I joined, I think, about 6 months after BB launched. There was some obstacles to overcome in the beginning and BB had to battle through some real adversity. I glad that I stayed in and now, nothing but good times ahead. I am in a BB group in Skype and we help each other and their are several in the Skype group that now have over a million dollars in earnings. Three of my children are making money in BB as well. I give BB a thumbs up for sure.
    Monday at 01:26 · Like · 6"


    Choice words here....

    "Jeremy Bligh I joined BB in June 2012. It has changed my life immeasurably. Lets remember that Finch is a self confessed 'scumbag' and has purely taken advantage of the sheer volumes of people searching for BB, hats off because it is some clever keyword research and SEO, but that is all it is. Despite BB having issues with the panel updates the last two weeks they still ensured that we all got PAID before Christmas by turning the engine to CAP any panels that were due before the Christmas payday deadline, not the work of a sophisticated ponzi ring if you ask me. To summarise, this time next year we will still be celebrating this life changing business and Finch will still be selling survival packs. I think I'll choose to 'thrive', not just 'survive'. Merry Christmas all.
    Monday at 11:35 via mobile · Like · 5"


    Chris Smith speaks and all believe what he says

    "Mike B I know what BB has done for other people and how it has changed their lives for the better. There is no reason why it won't continue to do so for others. Everything is in place to give BB longevity and Chris Smith told all in Dublin that he wants BB to be around when his grand kids are old. I have every confidence it will be.
    Monday at 15:59 via mobile · Like · 1"

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board.
    It's either legit or not legit.

    Okay, we know that you know nothing about the "owner" Chris Smith, despite the no doubt extensive due diligence before you chucked you loose change into Banners Broker.
    Whilst doing your no doubt extensive due diligence did you find anything out about his employee Ral Dixit?

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by activeone View Post
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall seeing the look on your face as that knock on your front door results in you being served with a notice to appear (summonsed to appear in court) for defamation and slander. I can name at least 10 ponzis that made the same threat, and not one sued anyone. One day you might well end up barking up the wrong tree and risk losing everything you worked hard for.... Is that cockyness worth that risk? That's a decision that can only be made by you... I got a couple of hundred $$$ riding on BB, usually about as much as I'd have in chips on the poker tables of crown or star city casinos, wow there's risk you can lose your money, must be a scam. At the track, there's a real risk you can lose your money. Geez, must be a scam.... Never mind, let's deal with accredited and regulated investments, hmmm, managed fund, yep that'll do. Geez, there is a RISK i might lose some or all of my money? No way, it must be a scam.

    The golden rule of investing is much like the golden rule of gambling, never put in more than you can afford to lose.

    The real beauty of BB is you don't have get yourself in over your head putting in 'big bucks' - I know $25 is a lot of money in some of the countries I've visited, but for most of us here, it's a cheap bottle of scotch or a round of beers at the local tavern, and no skin off our back - for the skeptics out there who like to tread carefully, whack $25 into your eWallet for a yellow package to get started and see how your ad campaign represented by that lone yellow panel you've just bought performs. If the bugger doesn't move to your satisfaction, and isn't about half way finished by the time week 2 rolls along, well you've just blown $25 no big deal.... Not many opportunity things out there where you can tread the water with such a small sum of money, that's for sure.!
    The wonderful thing about being sued is the word "Discovery." If you don't understand it, look it up in the dictionary. The wonderful thing about "Discovery" is that I get to give BB an anal exam. They can't hide behind: that information is proprietary, you can't have access to our financial records, the backgrounds of our founders is private, you can't have access to our member database,access to our computer records, and the list goes on and on. I also have at my disposal members of Eagle's team who are forensic accountants and forensic computer specialists who are licensed as such. In short, our team will be able to find every transaction they have ever made, where they have put all the money and to whom it was paid; plus a whole lot more. And if the case should get to court, all this information will be made public. Yep, everyone will be able to see and read it all. Then let's toss in all the law enforcement agencies and agents we work with (some are even Candadian) and their forensic experts I would call to testify if this went to court.

    You should also look what it takes for anyone to win a defamation lawsuit. BB couldn't even meet the criteria for them being defamed. No-one in the advertising business has ever heard of them. By the way it is libel, not slander, but even that is difficult to prove. You really should look up all these terms so you know what you are talking about.

    And the most beautiful part of them suing me is that I get to counter sue them. Just think, I just might end up owning this $100 Million Dollar International advertising business that no-one in the advertising business has ever heard of; as well as all their houses, cars and any boats/water toys, or other luxuries they have bought with money from BB.

    Since I have a camcorder, would you like for me to record it for you so you can see my reaction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    ..... And the most beautiful part of them suing me is that I get to counter sue them. Just think, I just might end up owning this $100 Million Dollar International advertising business that no-one in the advertising business has ever heard of; as well as all their houses, cars and any boats/water toys, or other luxeries they have bought with money from BB.

    Since I have a camcorder, would you like for me to record it for you so you can see my reaction?
    Now that I really would like to see..... Are ringside tickets available?

    But in all seriousness - I don't think that most of the BB people who turn up here have the slightest idea about the law and the way that it works, especially in the different jurisdictions. I'm certainly not going to enlighten them, but what they do need to take into account is that there may be criminal and civil litigation. This means the balance of proof changes between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
    (whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven.
    Wrong! The jurisprudence of assumption of innocence is for CRIMINAL law wher the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. But in CIVIL law the standars is a "balance of probability" Thus O J simpson might be acquitted iof Murder in a Criminal court but lose over 100 Million for the killing in a Civil court.

    People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position,
    Actually you do! Logically if you are making a claim and encouraging others to join it is for you to priovide the supporting evidence.
    You also have a moral obligation to do due dilkigance since even if you make money in a Ponzi you are taking it from poor pensioners etc.

    however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....)
    Company registrations. Court records. Currnent Company leases. In fact it is the lack of supporting evidence for BB that rings alarm bells.

    - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....
    LOL! Nobody her is asking you for money. Where is the name or mailing address of Dixit and all the Banners Broker executives?
    As a matter of fact I have Dixits wife address but I won't bring her into this because i believe her to be a victim too.

    like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop.
    So you say tyou will stick around. We will see. Also you admit a vested interest in "cropping" your subscribers and new recruits.
    It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.
    Especially to the single moms and Pensioners putting in their £5000 life savings.
    To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?
    Nice try at the reversal there but
    1. We arent making the claim for banners broker you are. Nor do we have to prove "unicorns are making your money" theory . It id for thiose claiming it works to prove it.
    2. We stand by the rules of logic and reason and the jurisprudence of modern democracy. so trying to brand nndetractors and skeptics as fundamentalist religious nutters isnt doing you any favours.

    If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.
    ther you go again!
    Look up "ad hominem" would you? when you cant win the argument do you always resort to attacking the other person?
    If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters.
    YOU are an affiliate
    YOU are a recruiter. and your basis of honest dealing is "If I decide not to pay you and let you down then sue me because Im not giving anything back"
    LOL

    Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down.
    Ironically. I agree with you 100%
    Im happy you incourage people to report the scam since the reason many Ponzi schemes last so long is because they are not reported since the victims fell like fools.
    Keep posting points like this and you will get our support.

    BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.
    The isnt any BB custiomer support department. The Canadian building is occupied by another company.
    BB does not exist as a company in Canada anymore.

    Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.
    Yet recruiters promise guranteed profit?
    There is a difference between taking a risk and selling people a lie.

    I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything,
    YEs but a pensioner puttingin thier £5000 life savings and losing them to a lie is a different matter.
    Currently in Ireland people are being hit hard by reductions of £10 in social welfare or Carers allowance and you treat it like a bet on a horse?

    We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations
    See above - if you make the claim it is for YOU to support it!

    In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven.
    Wrong!
    See above - jurisprudence!
    By the way even in a criminal case the person might still be guilty - it is just that guilt was not proved
    They are then found NOT GUILTY. It does not mean they were innocent.
    This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not.
    Exactly! WE are providing company data and background checks
    You are oprioviding ???? Nothing! No background phone numbers offices educational history etc.
    Well you do maybe provide links to fake offices and to auto responding phione3s.
    No actual real people.
    Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks.
    funny how your recruiters say "100% certain" then?

    People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.
    Oh so now you DO care about people asking for information about BB? I thought you didnt care about us?
    Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out.
    Actually anyione can do this if their boss is operating a scam company.
    Im happy to use my real name to denounce BB. Im just waiting for the appropriate time or place to make the most impact.
    I would especially love for BB to call me out and ask me to denounce them and have loads of affiliates there.
    Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....
    And NONE have been sacked for appropriate ones!

    lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders,
    Give me a contact for ANY of these lawyers and Ill contact them directly and say I think BB is a scam and Im happy to say that in front of them in public.

    just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.
    Exactly the so called "lawyers" never emerge do they?
    I on the other hand will say it in the open when you provide these lawyers.
    If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.
    LOL. we arent making the claim. and you are hoist on your own opetard. Wher is YOUR name or address or anyone in Banners Broker?

    I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance.
    so? where is your name and address. Or chris Smiths? Or Rqaj Dixit or all the other BB executives?

    If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".
    Wrong! Again!
    the argument is not "Argument from Authority" ( look it up) It is based on EVIDENCE. such as Company details , returns, offices , educational background etc.
    WE priovide such details.
    BB provide next to nothing!
    In fact their senior management has no credibility whatsoever. They supply no details at all about their past history education or experience.


    , there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.
    AS I stated Im happy to man up to a BB lawyer. Can you provide their contact number?
    Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot".
    LOL talk about a "hedged, meandering comment"
    "Due diligence" mentioned with "as far as i know" "Id guess" "very bacic" and "tiny"
    discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage,
    LOL or contribute their last few dollars to financial ruin and so BB executives and some recruiters can get rich?


    Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme,

    So you justify criminal scams? In fact "it is their risk to take" is constantly trotted oput. It is NOT a valid reason since they are sold a lie!

    Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.
    Post the lawyers details here and Im happy to meet them in person.
    Or get Banners Broker to do it in public - for no charge.
    And why cant BB post ANY details about the BB staff company registration tax returns etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    @noname999: Nobody is going to answer any questions or enter into any kind of dialog with somebody that's anonymously hiding behind a screen name and not revealing their real mailing address... I'm anonymous too,
    Duh you are contradicting yourself!
    I'm not one that's out there publicly defaming a multi-national company like BB.
    Nor are we.
    1 It isnt multinational
    2 who are the lawyers and we will contract them directly or even meet them in public

    I see you also want to know who BB's legal firm is, so you can contact them.

    Did I read this right? May I ask what precisely you'd contact their lawyers about? Allegations that their client (BB) is a ponzi, fraud, scam?
    That just doesn't make sense, usually it's the plaintiff that gets lawyers to initiate an action, such as a cease-and-desist, or a lawsuit to the defendant. Not the other way around, the defendant researches the lawfirm of the plaintiff (in this case BB), then what are you hoping to achieve?
    Of course it would only make sense if - BB is a Ponzi and cant back up its defamation claims


    Do you seriously even believe that somebody who airs their grievances on the internet through outlets like this forum, anonymously without revealing their real name and mailing address, is going to be taken seriously by a law firm engaged by a multi-national company like Banners Broker ???
    1 It isnt multinational
    2 who are the lawyers and we will contract them directly or even meet them in public

    3 You are claiming that if the lawyers had the names they would oprosecute. so we can make this easy for you. Tell us who to contact . who are the lawyers? then we will "defame" BB for them. And they can take us to court and point out how multinational and legal BB is and reveal all the details we were looking for. and if they and you are right we will all suffer the consequences.
    But now you are backing down from the "lawyers dont have your names" claim

    4. a lot of people post anon because of the point you made earlier. cranks and BB p[eople might call them in the middle of the nioght and annoy or intimidate them

    It isnt for anyone her to reveal any identity. It is for BB who are making claims about being a proper business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    going to take seriously some noob foul-mouthing a multi-national on-line advertising outfit like BB, even if some things look a big dodgey
    Especially when
    1. they are not a multinational - that is a lie you have no evidence to support any PLC registered to Banners Broker
    2.They have no advertising
    3. Nobody in BB knows anything about the background ot their so called senior people
    I'd be very surprised if one or both of you didn't end up with a soliticors' letter in the mail some day in the not-too-distant future. Only a matter of time.
    Why dont you give us the name of any solicitor actin for BB and we will invite them to come and take us to court?

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    Firstly, if I did know the name of the college and the year, I certainly wouldn't be disclosing that to a bunch of anonymous trolls and cyber terrorists with an agenda to turn everything against the company and its reputation. And if Chris did major as some kind of maths genius, as is claimed, would it matter because if he majored in some university, it then too would be slandered and put down by the trolls in here. Even if he graduated from Harvard or Yale, those well-known universities would then be labelled as a scam or whatever.
    The logic being that Harvard would have its reputation ruined by RS?
    How? If Chris Smith is a graduate? Unless of course chris Smith is operating a scam?
    Note the veiled claim that CS is an Ivy League grad?

    Secondly, I don't know which university Chris went to, and I don't particularly care. College degrees and graduating university don't always rank very highly in my books,
    The fact that you could not care less about someones background does not change the issue that they are LYING about it! If they are telling the truth anyone can check it out. So why dont they say where they qualified?

    @noname999 - would i be correct in assuming that you would never, ever want anything to do with any company where it can't be proven conclusively that the person or people at the top went through university and were thus suitably qualified to be in charge or (or owning) a business, like BB ?
    Again you miss the point!
    THEY CLAIM to have such qualifications.
    We think that is a lie. If they claim it then they can easily support it if it is true.
    Quite frankly, I wouldn't care less if Chris Smith was a college drop-out.
    Again what you care about or not is not the isue.
    THEY CLAIM to have such qualifications.
    If they claim it then it is for them to support theior claim.
    they cant support it
    So we assume they are lying.
    You know? Like innocence is assumed in a criminal case?

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    Wow, someone's been busy!
    It's been a good read.

    If solicitors/lawyers want to contact me, they have my email address to request details.

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    Banners Broker is a brokerage - at this time, it doesn't actually serve up its own ads, as I understand it, clicksor is one of the major blind advertising networks is uses as its link between its advertisers and the publisher networks.

    Here's a couple I've stumbled across in the past month or two :
    Attachment 2432

    and another one...
    Attachment 2433
    (clicking on the banner sends you to bannersbroker.com and not an affiliate site btw)
    So Waverider managed to find the exact same two adverts that Heraldo did on MMG back in early November?

    Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com

    Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com

    Either Waverider and Heraldo are the same person, or all affiliates have been told to use the same two images when trying to argue anything! Either way, a pathetic attempt at legitimising a non-legitimate business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waverider View Post
    Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

    ...(The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)
    Ive written about "transfer pricing" in the past.
    Im not fond of having a low tax of 12.5% if most of that is avoided anyway.
    The thing is TNC's are acting in a completely legal way and it is covered by double taxation treaties.
    Banners Broker isnt a TNC.

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