Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by noname999

@BBdefender: What due diligence did you do before putting money into BB?

I did a little research, trusted the person referring me and took a risk based on my own reasoning. I don't think I would have done anymore before starting up any other business, it wasn't a huge monetary risk.

The proper research came sometime after I had put money in when I found out about raj and his criminal activity. That was the ditch or continue moment, but by researching and understanding the business I came to the conclusion that there is a genuine business model in BB. I came to this website and read the evidence piled up against BB here, and on other scam buster sites, but nothing here convinced me for certain that BB was a pyramid scheme. It cast shadows over some aspects for sure but every business is a risk. There are no 100% risk free business in this world. However when I pieced together the real business that BB undertake and it was confirmed from the horses mouth in Ireland, no doubts remained whatsoever.

Now I'm here debunking the debunker's as it annoys me that so many people sit on this thread talking nonsense and telling lies to try to scare affiliates and convince people that BB is a scam.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

I did a little research.

What research?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

There are no 100% risk free business in this world.

According BB members this is not true. In fact they say 'its impossible to not make money'.

So are you telling the truth or are they?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

it was confirmed from the horses mouth in Ireland

Are you referring to Paul McCarthy?

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

Hi BBdefender.

Unlike a lot of people on this forum, PLUS unlike the vast majority of BBmembers I've an open mind, I'm not totally convinced one way or another, however after a lot of research I now think that BB ***IS*** a ponzi.

Note I said **THINK**. It ticks all the boxes of being a Ponzi, but as things stand there is still no absolute proof one way or another.

Banner Broker can kill this thread dead and vastly increase their number of affiliates IF they can prove where the adverts are displayed, not everyone, maybe a hundred out of the hundreds of thousands they claim to be publishing from genuine well known companies.

Who is this mysterious "Broker" in the blind network that places the ads for BB ?.

There will be no requirement for expensive lawyers to tackle the growing number of BB critics if the requested information above is supplied.


In the meantime, what else are intelligent people expected to think ?

Yet it ticks none of the boxes for being real, doing as it claims and for not being a ponzi.....So what is there to think????.....

Maybe looking at this from the other side may help you to see that there is no way that BB is real which means it must be a ponzi....

In other words....See what evidence you can find to show proof that it is real.....

Keep in mind that any twit can register a name in just about any country in many cases online....
Any twit can set up a business address for a hyip without ever being there....Virtual offices are a dime a dozen....Short term real rentals of a property are just as easy....
Any twit can set up a facebook page.....
Any twit can find a few shills....

Bottom line is that so far I am yet to see any proof at all that BB is real.....No proof that BB is anything but a ponzi scheme....

Way back as far as 2006 with ponzi schemes like 12dp, pips, asd, v-lane, CEP, zeek and a host of others the shills always demand that it is us who must show proof that their pet program is a ponzi.....
Not once will they ever step up and show proof that it is not a ponzi.....Why won't they ever stand up and show proof that the program really does what they claim??....

At the end of the day the proof that BB is a ponzi will come.....Only problem is that it will come much too late for those who were scammed.....By then the "BB defenders" will be long gone....Moved on to the next new scam with a new name to post under....

Originally Posted by Mundorf

And then he found that Smith is soft spoken ordinary person and answer was " it must be paying"

hey gandalf, is that longbottom leaf any good?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Now I'm here debunking the debunker's as it annoys me that so many people sit on this thread talking nonsense and telling lies to try to scare affiliates and convince people that BB is a scam.

I can't speak for everyone but I try not to talk nonsense and I don't tell lies. I ask simple questions, questions that have never got a proper answer.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

I didn't invest money in Chris Smith, I started up a business whether it sinks or swims is up to me BB is just a mediator that allows me to interact with a much bigger market place.

Are you serious??.....
If you honestly believe that then you either a newbie without a clue or a complete fool.....
Either way you in for a huge shock....

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Now I'm here debunking the debunker's as it annoys me that so many people sit on this thread talking nonsense and telling lies to try to scare affiliates and convince people that BB is a scam.

REALLY ????

You're psychic now ???

How do you know posters are "trying to scare affiliates" ???

How do you know we aren't simply following the REALSCAM.com stated aim of allowing people to decide for themselves ??



HYIP ponzis stand and fall on their own merits.

A relatively small forum such as this can have no impact on the mathematical reality of HYIP ponzis and how they work.

No one here stands to lose of gain a cent from Banners Broker.

None of us are paid and there's no advertisers to keep happy.

YOU, on the other hand.............................................. ...............................

Originally Posted by okosh

Are you serious??.....
If you honestly believe that then you either a newbie without a clue or a complete fool.....

You left out the third and most important option:

"or a HYIP ponzi shill"

Originally Posted by littleroundman

No one here stands to lose of gain a cent from Banners Broker.

None of us are paid and there's no advertisers to keep happy.
.

These are a very important points that are probably not stressed enough.

Originally Posted by noname999

These are a very important points that are probably not stressed enough.

We'd better be careful here, or we'll be flooded with Banners Broker pimps spouting their "dreamstealers" and "haterz" nonsense.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

You left out the third and most important option:

"or a HYIP ponzi shill"

I thank you for pointing this outas I did forget to add the 3rd option....

But IMHO BB defender is in fact a newbie and has no idea what he got himself into.....I just hope he didn't mortgage the farm or max out the credit cards and drop the lot in BB....

Originally Posted by okosh

Yet it ticks none of the boxes for being real, doing as it claims and for not being a ponzi.....So what is there to think????.....

Maybe looking at this from the other side may help you to see that there is no way that BB is real which means it must be a ponzi....

In other words....See what evidence you can find to show proof that it is real.....

Keep in mind that any twit can register a name in just about any country in many cases online....
Any twit can set up a business address for a hyip without ever being there....Virtual offices are a dime a dozen....Short term real rentals of a property are just as easy....
Any twit can set up a facebook page.....
Any twit can find a few shills....

Bottom line is that so far I am yet to see any proof at all that BB is real.....No proof that BB is anything but a ponzi scheme....

Way back as far as 2006 with ponzi schemes like 12dp, pips, asd, v-lane, CEP, zeek and a host of others the shills always demand that it is us who must show proof that their pet program is a ponzi.....
Not once will they ever step up and show proof that it is not a ponzi.....Why won't they ever stand up and show proof that the program really does what they claim??....

At the end of the day the proof that BB is a ponzi will come.....Only problem is that it will come much too late for those who were scammed.....By then the "BB defenders" will be long gone....Moved on to the next new scam with a new name to post under....

well you can register your name in any country but you need to prove you are who you are with government ID and address id before being able to pull money out, so if you cant do that then don't put money in.

BB International use offices in Canada, they share the office with Stellar Point which is the new name for BB Canada, 5 Carlow Court, Whitby, ON L1N 9T7 , some idiots looked at it on google maps saw the old sign from when it was owned by energy services back in August 2012 even then any idiot should have noticed its vacant look, they immediately assumed that it was a lie and BB didn't own the offices. BB have not denied that Stellar Point is the maanged services company that looks after BB operations in canada.
BannersBroker

Yes any twit could set up a facebook page even the president of America is capable of setting up a facebook page, so what?

Yes any organisation can find a few shills but finding 250000 is a different matter, why aren't these shills all deaparting from their being really dissapointed at BB.

Bottom line is you havent bothered to look hard enough, you haven't attended a conference, you haven't visited the canadian offices or the reseller offices any where else so yes you can say all that you say but its just your feelings. Why dont you visit offices above and see if BB do actually use it.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

you haven't visited the canadian offices or the reseller offices any where else so yes you can say all that you say but its just your feelings. Why dont you visit offices above and see if BB do actually use it.

I did in Ireland. The office didn't exist.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

even then any idiot should have noticed its vacant look,

Similar to the vacant look of Kinvara House?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

We'd better be careful here, or we'll be flooded with Banners Broker pimps spouting their "dreamstealers" and "haterz" nonsense.

Damn my real goal of diverting and flooding this thread with positive posts about BB has been discovered.

Originally Posted by noname999

Similar to the vacant look of Kinvara House?

The point being that the picture was taken before BB moved into it.

Originally Posted by noname999

I did in Ireland. The office didn't exist.

Cant speak for Ireland they were a odd bunch of people.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

The point being that the picture was taken before BB moved into it.

I got your point. It just wasn't a very good one. I'm still waiting to hear what research you did...

Originally Posted by littleroundman

REALLY ????

You're psychic now ???

How do you know posters are "trying to scare affiliates" ???

How do you know we aren't simply following the REALSCAM.com stated aim of allowing people to decide for themselves ??



HYIP ponzis stand and fall on their own merits.

A relatively small forum such as this can have no impact on the mathematical reality of HYIP ponzis and how they work.

No one here stands to lose of gain a cent from Banners Broker.

None of us are paid and there's no advertisers to keep happy.

YOU, on the other hand.............................................. ...............................

As I said speak the truth with evidence and I will be happy to listen, but nonsense just annoys me.

but participants spouting lies and conjecture as true facts is not enabling people to make a decision for themselves.

oh and you are correct your presence here does not have much of an effect other than worrying poor affiliates like Brenda (assuming she is an affiliate), and that annoys me as well.

so I'm just responding to the nonsense but you will notice where people care to be civil I reciprocate in a likewise manner.

I'm not paid to be here posting about BB either!......I just do it because it gives readers an alternative viewpoint.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Cant speak for Ireland they were a odd bunch of people.

What do you mean by that?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

I know about raj dixit and his homes scandal. It was a big bother to me when I first found out, but I got over it, he made his mistakes, he payed his dues and maybe he has learnt his lesson that crime doesn't pay and so on this occasion is not committing a crime.

LOL, I am still cleaning my computer screen! As always the crapola still runs downhill.

Originally Posted by noname999

I can't speak for everyone but I try not to talk nonsense and I don't tell lies. I ask simple questions, questions that have never got a proper answer.

That's because they can't give you what doesn't exist.....

Back in the good old days it used to be simple.....Admin decides to open a program....He gets a website made....Then he starts thread at MMG or TG where he says, "here is my new hyip, lets play"......And the players play......

These days players don't want that.....They seen the SEC and other members of the American alphabet police step in with 12dp and others so now they want the hyip to resemble a real investment or business.....

It's kinda like how a magic act has evolved.....Back in the good old days to pull a rabbit out of a hat would gets bums on seats.....Today the people want David Copperfield and they want to see an elephant vanish.....
It's still a basic magic trick but for the elephant to vanish they use smoke and mirrors.....

Programs like BB are much the same.....It's still just a hyip.....Just with a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.....None of it is real just like the elephant doesn't really vanish....

Originally Posted by okosh

At the end of the day the proof that BB is a ponzi will come.....Only problem is that it will come much too late for those who were scammed.....By then the "BB defenders" will be long gone....Moved on to the next new scam with a new name to post under....

....and you know what?..he knows it...he knows it very well..he only wants and demands (and defend) to take as much money from suckers as he can and then one day to post under WHOKNOWSWHATdefender the same parade in hope to support few more coins from fools and spoons - that's all what is here about