Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Have you ever tried getting any business to tell you how they make their money,

Yes and I have succeeded in finding out. In fact management theory and training are full of such things.

does google tell everyone hey we are making money using such and such technology,

Yes they do.

did coca cola ever reveal their special ingredient.

Yes it originally was coca - yuou know the drug from which cocaine is made? their current ingredients are a trade secret. But we arent asking BB to reveal any trade secrets. We are asking like Coca cola
-where therir offices are
- what is the background of their staff
-wher are their annual company returns
- how much tax did they pay?

All this is freely available for Google and Coca Cola and indeed it is required by law.
so where is it for BB - which does not exist since it was changed to Stellar Point.

I don't know where you practice your legal and logical specialism but here in blighty, you are innocent till proven guilty.

Actually no! the UK is a common law juristiction. In CRIMINAL law innocence is assumed. You might well be guilty but it is assumed you arent. The BURDEN OF PROOF ( remember that phrase) is on the prosecution to prove guilt in a CRIMINAL case.

But in a civil case it is based on "balance of evidence" not "assumption of innocence"
Company Law and Contract Law is civil law.

In a sence BB is on trial here. The prosecution produced ample evidence about the background of Dixit and the failure to satisfy statutory regulatory conditions. what defence have you prodeced? what actual evidence? Piss and winf like the barber's cat.

There is no necessity for anyone or any organisation to prove it is not a criminal enterprise,

True and there is not necessity for terrorists to prove they are not terrorists either.
Or for the Nazis to prove they were not out to get people.
And if we all sit around and do nothing while others suffer eventually they come for you.

if the people believe it is a criminal enterprise let them quickly alert the authorities to this so that the authorities can investigate the business thoroughly,

what people do is their own business

according to the posts 250000+ peoples wealth is at risk why don't you all alert the authorities if you feel so strongly that you have a case against BB. Do you seriously think that people like whip, poyol, hendyphilhendy and other rejects have not already done so?

Again what I do or do not do elsewhere is nothing to do with the issue of you coming here to support claims about BB being a legit business.
and can you lay of the ad hominem? When you are losing an argument do you always resort to attacking the other person instead?

I knew BBDefender reminded me of someone....

BBC Panorama: "Scientology and Me" - YouTube

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Let justice be done! call the cops in to arrest the BB management team and force the truth out of them as they clearly wont say it from behind their protective BB office walls.

Yes but that may well take time and will be done by the relevant authorities. It isnt for us to take enforcement into our own hands. The issue here is you supporting your claims about BB being a legit business. If your reply to "where is your evidence" is "so sue me" then you are not really supporting anything you claim. Effectively you are admitting your claims of "extensive research" are empty claims.

Originally Posted by Theseus

So this legitimate advertising broker, fearful of "copycats" launched its business as a "straightline cycler doubler" that (rather than offering any product) promised to "take $20 and DOUBLE it MULTIPLE TIMES TO $10,000" to throw others off the scent?

Come to think of it, you might be onto something there. I'm pretty sure when Google was launched initially it was a drive-thru carwash....

Damn that's funny. These scammers really got nothing. lol

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

That's an unusual analogy, coming from someone who "doesn't believe in jobs," Jens.

Grow up man. If you knew me, you would know why I "don't believe in jobs". I came here to answer those silly questions and that's it. I'm not going to reply to childish comments.

The sad reality is that all home based business opportunity haters always come and troll around on forums just to prove how wrong it is for people to be active in the industry.

You can try to prove that BB is a scam for many years to come. It won't affect the company anyway. Funny how some people are putting so much energy and time in ridiculous claims that don't make sense at all.

Originally Posted by jensholvoet

Grow up man. If you knew me, you would know why I "don't believe in jobs". I came here to answer those silly questions and that's it. I'm not going to reply to childish comments.

The sad reality is that all home based business opportunity haters always come and troll around on forums just to prove how wrong it is for people to be active in the industry.

You can try to prove that BB is a scam for many years to come. It won't affect the company anyway. Funny how some people are putting so much energy and time in ridiculous claims that don't make sense at all.

You're blowing up in my face like a toddler with a tantrum, when I've barely spoken in this thread (or even this subject).

Try aiming your terrible twos at someone who has posted frequently about BB, Jens, and behave more like a businessman.

Did you know the average lifetime of a fruit fly is around 30 days, depending on climatic conditions.

During that 30 days, a fruit fly will hatch, mature, infect, reproduce and die.

I think perhaps we should reclassify Banners Broker HYIP ponzi shills as "advanced fruitflies"

Their lifecycle is definitely nearing the end.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Hey okosh, sarcasm is not the same a outright abuse, you calling me scum is out of order you should note that your post has been reported, for its abusive nature.

You ran to tell your mommy??....Should I go stand in the naughty corner now??......

Originally Posted by BB Defender

so how did i get hoodwinked by the BB scam?

I don't know.

Perhaps you'd better ask the victims of previous frauds exactly how is was done.

Come to think of it, I think there's probably a whole pile of Madoff Securities victims who would have considered themselves a great deal smarter than events subsequently proved them to be.

IOW, your "how is it possible for someone as smart as me to be hoodwinked" may well work on rank amateurs, but it certainly won't work here.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Well evidence is still required before making statements like this. The possibility still exists that BB is a legitimate business opportunity and that BB have a new business concept that people like okosh fear simply because it's different.

LOL...Are you really that stupid??....Or did the nurse drop you on your head at birth??.....
Is there also the possibility that a fat man in a red suit will really come down my chimney??....

There is no "business concept" here....There is just a ponzi scheme that is all but over.....

Each and every ponzi scheme that comes along claiming to have a new "business concept" also comes complete with it's shills....
But bannersbrokers stuck out when they chose BB Defender as he is not even a good shill.....He's just an idiot with the same old BS we heard many times b4....

Originally Posted by BB Defender

if the people believe it is a criminal enterprise let them quickly alert the authorities to this so that the authorities can investigate the business thoroughly, according to the posts 250000+ peoples wealth is at risk why don't you all alert the authorities if you feel so strongly that you have a case against BB. Do you seriously think that people like whip, poyol, hendyphilhendy and other rejects have not already done so?

From first recorded complaint against Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily to civil action induced shutdown, took 18+ months.

Bowdoins' criminal prosecution took longer again.

Unlike Banners Broker, AdSurf Daily was based and hosted in mainland U.S.A.

Similarly, the Zeek Rewards U.S. based HYIP ponzi scam took approximately the same time for the civil action to be launched.

Banners Broker, on the other hand, purports to be Canadian based.

On top of the fact Canadian prosecutors are notoriously slow to act with regard to online fraud, cross border prosecution in such matters is highly unlikely, Banners Broker being a relatively small fraud in the 2012 scheme of things.

While your "let them go ahead and tell the authorities" taunt may carry some weight with your fellow HYIP ponzi players, it bears not the slightest relevance to the question of whether or not Banners Broker is a fraud.

Anyone who uses the fact a HYIP ponzi fraud has not "yet" been prosecuted as some sign of legitimacy is in for a very rude awakening as to how things work in the real world.

Originally Posted by Beacon

And as I stated the burden of proof is on the clqaimant BB to prove their case.
For example by showing who owns BB. company returns? Offices? Background of the management?
None of thiis has been forthcoming.

More than that, Banners Broker is the one accepting money for it's services.

By doing so, both it and it's "members" moved THEMSELVES into a completely different category.

There is no "burden of proof" on forums, blogs or members of the public.

THEY didn't take money.

In fact, many forums, blogs and members of the public are deliberately attempting to goad Banners Broker or it's sycophants to follow through with their empty threats of "legal action"

Why ???

Simple - they know there is no Banners Broker "legal department" and the chances of Banners Broker or any of its' founders or management willingly getting within a country mile of a court are non existent.

All we have to do is show a little bit of patience and Banners Broker will collapse based solely on mathematical reality.

Nobody here has set out to "save the world" and nobody stands to make or lose a cent from Banners Broker.

If ONE person can be influenced to avoid becoming a Banners Broker victim, our job is done.

Originally Posted by Theseus

For quick reference most of the pertinent information can be found in the two finchsells.com threads, anyone intent on doing some deeper digging probably won't object to going through the thread as it stands, as what may seem trivial or unimportant to you or I may be just what a law officer needs to connect the dots...

You're correct of course, but what about someone thinking of signing up with BB?, they're almost certainly not going to read everything and some of the posts just seem like word slinging with no proof.

If you'd like to reply with the two "finchsells" links, I'll put them into my signature and refer to them from time to time.

Originally Posted by dolan1

Today first time post spent time arguing with friends about this today told them all the facts and figures got shouted and was shouted down then privately one of the friends told me he knew it was a ponzi and of the others really shouted me out cause we were all idiots and he was right cause we didn't know how it all worked. At least someone does!

Welcome to realscam dolan.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

well if thats really you in the picture holding up the 100% Risk Free sign then I'm not the only one making a complete tit of myself, I seem to be in a perfectly suited environment of a whole bunch of complete Tits. This whole thread seems to attract the creme de la creme of complete tits, spouting garbage as fact!

Yes that's Theseus! Great man he is too!!

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

You're correct of course, but what about someone thinking of signing up with BB?, they're almost certainly not going to read everything and some of the posts just seem like word slinging with no proof.

If you'd like to reply with the two "finchsells" links, I'll put them into my signature and refer to them from time to time.

Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells
Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells

And my own (not in the slightest complete)
Jason Clark Investigates

Originally Posted by Beacon

I hardly think BB are so sophisticated as to refer to Propopsition 7

Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."

Awesome stuff!! Wittgenstein? Wow.... just wow.....

Not sure I'd be mentioning BB in the same breath....

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

You're correct of course, but what about someone thinking of signing up with BB?, they're almost certainly not going to read everything and some of the posts just seem like word slinging with no proof.

If you'd like to reply with the two "finchsells" links, I'll put them into my signature and refer to them from time to time.

Hiya Steven, and a belated welcome to REALSCAM.com

You have pointed out one of the realities of 'net based HYIP ponzi fraud.

There IS no "proof"

It would be a pretty poor excuse for a fraud if there WAS "proof" readily available enough to satisfy the targets of said HYIP ponzi fraud.

Similarly "logic" and 'reality" play very little part in the equation when what appears to be easy money is at stake.

One of the realities of 'net based fraud is that fraudsters don't want "logical thinkers" neither do they want those with more than a passing interest in law and legalities.

ANYONE who believes for a minute the promised returns offered by HYIP ponzi frauds is at all possible has, in a sense, pre qualified themselves as a target/victim.

So called "Nigerian scammers" have the "self pre selection" process down to a fine art.

Anybody who even entertains the thought there really could be an multi million dollar inheritance awaiting them and responds to the fraudsters emails is like manna from Heaven to the fraudster.

It works perfectly when "normal" or "logical" or "sensible" people simply laugh and delete his or her emails.

It saves the fraudster time and effort separating the wheat from the chaff i.e. qualifying possible victims for the next phase of the scam.

So it is with the majority of HYIP ponzi victims.

They obviously "believe" in what's being offered, as improbable as it may seem to others.

After that, it's merely a matter of the fraudster filling in any holes in his/her story with as many lies, forgeries and deliberate deflections as he/she is inclined to pursue.

Think about it, ANYONE who believes a 1% or 2% per DAY ROI is possible is highly unlikely to know a great deal about company registrations, securities regulations or the advertising industry, and even less about fraud and fraudsters.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Have you ever tried getting any business to tell you how they make their money, does google tell everyone hey we are making money using such and such technology, did coca cola ever reveal their special ingredient. I don't know where you practice your legal and logical specialism but here in blighty, you are innocent till proven guilty. There is no necessity for anyone or any organisation to prove it is not a criminal enterprise, if the people believe it is a criminal enterprise let them quickly alert the authorities to this so that the authorities can investigate the business thoroughly, according to the posts 250000+ peoples wealth is at risk why don't you all alert the authorities if you feel so strongly that you have a case against BB. Do you seriously think that people like whip, poyol, hendyphilhendy and other rejects have not already done so?

Here you go mate, here's the dragon scroll..... has the secret to what you seek

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

You're correct of course, but what about someone thinking of signing up with BB?, they're almost certainly not going to read everything and some of the posts just seem like word slinging with no proof.

If you'd like to reply with the two "finchsells" links, I'll put them into my signature and refer to them from time to time.

Steven, this facebook page has most of the links that are relevant - Banners Broker Ponzi Scam | Facebook

I still don't know who the page admin is as I don't get any replies to my messages, but he seems to be open to input - I messaged him/her with the Corporations Canada document and it appeared a day or so later. So if anyone thinks there should be something included there, message him (or me if your not on Facebook and I will pass it on).

Originally Posted by BB Defender

really well how do you explain myself, clearly I'm no stranger to the internet and its money making potential, I will also reveal but will not substantiate that I am under 40 and have a degree in business and a masters degree in computing, so how did i get hoodwinked by the BB scam? or is it just that I have looked into this a lot deeper than the detractors and found a real business model that actually works. (dont ask me to prove my claims of what I have said about myself, I wont post anything more)

Hi BBdefender.

Unlike a lot of people on this forum, PLUS unlike the vast majority of BBmembers I've an open mind, I'm not totally convinced one way or another, however after a lot of research I now think that BB ***IS*** a ponzi.

Note I said **THINK**. It ticks all the boxes of being a Ponzi, but as things stand there is still no absolute proof one way or another.

Banner Broker can kill this thread dead and vastly increase their number of affiliates IF they can prove where the adverts are displayed, not everyone, maybe a hundred out of the hundreds of thousands they claim to be publishing from genuine well known companies.

Who is this mysterious "Broker" in the blind network that places the ads for BB ?.

There will be no requirement for expensive lawyers to tackle the growing number of BB critics if the requested information above is supplied.

In the meantime, what else are intelligent people expected to think ?

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

Hi BBdefender.

Unlike a lot of people on this forum, PLUS unlike the vast majority of BBmembers I've an open mind, I'm not totally convinced one way or another, however after a lot of research I now think that BB ***IS*** a ponzi.

Note I said **THINK**. It ticks all the boxes of being a Ponzi, but as things stand there is still no absolute proof one way or another.

Banner Broker can kill this thread dead and vastly increase their number of affiliates IF they can prove where the adverts are displayed, not everyone, maybe a hundred out of the hundreds of thousands they claim to be publishing from genuine well known companies.

Who is this mysterious "Broker" in the blind network that places the ads for BB ?.

There will be no requirement for expensive lawyers to tackle the growing number of BB critics if the requested information above is supplied.

In the meantime, what else are intelligent people expected to think ?

I had an open mind - I was a very low level affiliate.
But upon hundreds of hours of research I'm 99.999'% certain that it's a Ponzi scheme.

Jason

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Steven, this facebook page has most of the links that are relevant - Banners Broker Ponzi Scam | Facebook

I still don't know who the page admin is as I don't get any replies to my messages, but he seems to be open to input - I messaged him/her with the Corporations Canada document and it appeared a day or so later. So if anyone thinks there should be something included there, message him (or me if your not on Facebook and I will pass it on).

Thanks for that, found this on the FB page which more or less is what I was wanting to post in the first place.

Here is 10 facts you can share with your friends. Get the message out there, Banners Broker is a scam!

Fact 1: Nobody can find the ads. Other than a few token (quite silly) ads run by them directly, there is no "footprint" of BB advertising on the internet.

Fact 2: The BB program was announced in 2010 as a "Straightline Doubler Cycler", and was exclusively announced on HYIP/MLM websites. If you don't know what "doubler cycler" means, research it.

Fact 3: The guys who started BB or who are now the leaders of it have zero credentials or history in the advertising business. They do, however, have a long history in MLM / Pyramid schemes.

Fact 4: BB refuses to work with you as a publisher, if you contact them with an offer to put traffic out on a well-positioned, high-traffic website. Several high profile people have tried this and were not able to even talk to anyone.

Fact 5: BB refuses to work with you as an advertiser, if you contact them with an offer to buy a large block of advertising. Again, several people have tried this and BB is completely unequipped to handle the request.

Fact 6: There is no organic traffic. BB offers the "choice network" to members, with no disclaimer whatsoever about it being in "test mode". However, when pressed on the complete lack of utility or credibility regarding this network, people quickly say "it is in test mode". This is not disclosed to any members via the dashboard, back office or on the BB website, anywhere.

Fact 7: No businessmen (or women) in a free market economy would "discover" a business model as elegant as BB claims to be -- and turn it over to anyone willing to sign up for a free membership. There are (supposedly) millions of dollars in cash flow at play here, with margins that would make the executives at Google salivate - yet the patrons who started BB decided to give it all away to the rest of us.

Fact 8: BB claims to be in business with Clicksor, yet Clicksor has nowhere near the capacity to even begin to touch the advertising flow-through that BB claims to be driving. You can call Clicksor yourself and confirm this.

Fact 9: BB is not known to any of the outside advertising reporting agencies who spend 24 hours a day tracking and reporting on the online advertising business. You can call ComScore yourself and confirm this.

Fact 10: The leaders of BB never attend, present a topic at or even have a presence (like a simple information booth) at any of the big advertising conferences. This is beyond unusual for a "breakthrough" business such as BB.

Originally Posted by Poyol

I had an open mind - I was a very low level affiliate.
But upon hundreds of hours of research I'm 99.999'% certain that it's a Ponzi scheme.

Jason

I'm STILL a very low level affiliate, an affiliate who expects to lose his investment.

What I'm more concerned about is the people who have "invested" thousands of dollars, I know of two people (one in UK, one in Spain) who have put in over ten grand in the last six months AND still keep "reinvesting" despite having the apparent opportunity to withdraw some.

Neither of these people are stupid.......... it just baffles me that they are part of "the blind network", whoops sorry I mean Banners Broker believers.

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

I'm STILL a very low level affiliate, an affiliate who expects to lose his investment.

What I'm more concerned about is the people who have "invested" thousands of dollars, I know of two people (one in UK, one in Spain) who have put in over ten grand in the last six months AND still keep "reinvesting" despite having the apparent opportunity to withdraw some.

Neither of these people are stupid.......... it just baffles me that they are part of "the blind network", whoops sorry I mean Banners Broker believers.

You can be blinded by greed even if you're the most intelligent person known to man.
And with the added blind network - I'd call it being double-blind.

J