Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

p.s theseus if you really want the lowdown on my research your gonna have to get referred into the BB cult and then I will tell you why it is a real business, not just so you can make false claims and dig here and dig there and rebuff the research with whimsical statements.

Originally Posted by baylee

What a crock of crapola!

2 crocks of crap really but he has lied before.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Its nothing like BB. You can tell because they provide things like advertising rates, Support that works over Christmas, meaningful statistics, they use Paypal, anti-cheating technology, provide easily available source code (you don't have to ring, email, ring, email, wait weeks on end), etc. I learned more about how they work in 5 minutes than I have about Banners Broker in 2 or 3 months.

Would I work with them? No - a quick search indicates issues with the payment side of things (some calling it a scam), the blog hasn't been updated since 2009, and when I log in it has a banner saying "Happy New Year 2009". Hmmm....

Oh and have a look at their rates for imressions - you get 100,000 impressions for $11.95. What does that cost with Banners Broker again? The BB rate is $25 / 25,000 so the equivalent would set you back $100 - nearly 10 times the price!!!

well those rates are probably applicable to 2009, as their website seems to be frozen in time, that counters still working though.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

well if thats really you in the picture holding up the 100% Risk Free sign then I'm not the only one making a complete tit of myself, I seem to be in a perfectly suited environment of a whole bunch of complete Tits. This whole thread seems to attract the creme de la creme of complete tits, spouting garbage as fact!

So are you saying that really was the total of your deep research?

Originally Posted by Whip

Go clean the sand out of your vagina please.
Still waiting for you to answer actual questions and not the typical scammer deflect with some other irrelevant bullshit.

hey whip, why don't you clean the blood from your rear ventrical, someone seems to have shoved the whip in instead of whipping you with it.

Originally Posted by Whip

2 crocks of crap really but he has lied before.

Yeh your right I did lie before I said I was never gonna come back, and I did, I seem to be addicted to this thread just like the rest of you. you cant blame a thtead junkie for their weaknesses.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

hey whip, why don't you clean the blood from your rear ventrical, someone seems to have shoved the whip in instead of whipping you with it.

You need to come up with something original. Gerbils jokes are so 1995

Originally Posted by BB Defender

p.s theseus if you really want the lowdown on my research your gonna have to get referred into the BB cult and then I will tell you why it is a real business, not just so you can make false claims and dig here and dig there and rebuff the research with whimsical statements.

Why would I need to get referred into BB before you would back up your claims? Surely it's in both your and BB's interest to simply explain what you've discovered that makes you so certain it's all kosher?

Otherwise it really does sound like a cult.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

First things first so amathyst, I am talking waffle am I? because you know better as you work in the "online team of a marketing department for a market leading UK company", a little proof would be helpful so we can verify what you say about yourself, maybe your linked in url, or your CV. I mean after all I could reveal that I am Larry Page CEO of Google and just like I cant dispute your claim you couldn't dispute my claim.

Well let us not rely on "argument from authority" . Look it up under "logical fallacy" I have been on national level boards and have several qualifications but I dont use that to make my case. I use FACTS and evidence.
So the qualifications or background of amathyst is not required.
however another fallacy is evident that of "burden of proof" and "proving a negative"
Amytheist isnt claiming anything about BB being able to make huge profits. Nor is he claiming his personal qualifications prove it is.
It is impossible for him to prove the negative but the point is that is not wher the burden lies . the burden lies on the claimant i.e. if you claim to be able to make millions you have to supply the proof. Proving you cant make millions isn not required.
It isnt for anyone else to prove a negative claim about BB.
It is for BB to prove their claims with evidence.
One of their claims is a track record in business.
In spite of the fact that this isnt even sufficient proof of the BB system wotking no evidence has been supplied for these claims of experience.
Ametheyst Showing his experience or not wont change that fact.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Well evidence is still required before making statements like this. The possibility still exists that BB is a legitimate business opportunity and that BB have a new business concept that people like okosh fear simply because it's different.

And as I stated the burden of proof is on the clqaimant BB to prove their case.
For example by showing who owns BB. company returns? Offices? Background of the management?
None of thiis has been forthcoming.

Originally Posted by Theseus

So are you saying that really was the total of your deep research?

wow so many tits to respond to don't know where to begin. but just so we are clear what I have posted is just what I have found on the internet now, my deep research was conducted some time back into all BB matters including the scandalous actions of some members of its leadership, its business model, the product, the actual profitability, the rules used by BB to keep affiliates profits down, the legitimacy of referral/affiliate marketing. My initial research indicated that what bannersbroker and some of its affiliates were spouting wasn't 100% correct there were inconsistencies with what was being shown as the business model and the outward profitability of the business this was all five months ago, I then kept digging and researching the online advertising industry and determined the reality of what bannersbroker were doing five months back, In ireland for the first time BB admitted to what their real business model was and that matched my actual results. The business model that they are using is the same as I have stated in my very first post.

I'm referred in, in fact I think I have signed up 9 or 10 times - can I have 'The Truth' now please BBD?
I'd like to know, because not one of the referrers I (silently) used have bothered to contact me or tell me anything. I'm assuming Banners Broker can provide an upline with contact details of those who have signed up under them? You know, so you know BB aren't ripping you off (actually they are, but you know what I mean)?

Which of my affiliate links would you like, I have several to choose from. Are they counted as part of the 250,000 brethren?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Hi Brenda,

Im sorry I am just defending BB I am not privy to Chris's CV or anything, It was just a rhetorical request to let amathyst know that his claims couldn't be verified and so there is no validity to his rude dismissal of my explanations just because he says he is so and so. I dont expect amathyst to supply the information, it really wouldn't be a wise thing to do on this forum.

I suggest you look up affirming a consequent when you are preusing "logical fallacy"

Hint:
P: All communists have beards
Q: BB Defender has a beard

Therefore can we conclude BB defender is a communist?

Similarly whether or not Amathyst supplies any personal information about himself has no bearing whatsoever on claims made on the experience and working history of Chris Smith.

At best were amathyst to supply verification of experience in senior marketing it would confirm his claim about himself.
But even if he supplied such details he would not be able to prove anything based on the fallacy of "argument from authority"

tyhe point about chris smith isnt that proving his background would make his claims toru. Chris Smith should he produce his credentials would similarly be arguing from authority. The point is if Chris Smith utterly fails to produce background evidence he is most probably lying about his background and cant be trusted in any business. Amythest isnt asking anyone to buy into any business so it isnt required he support any claims about himself. But at least amythesyt supplies source material and verifiable references to back up his argument and not fast talk and opinion.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

wow so many tits to respond to don't know where to begin. but just so we are clear what I have posted is just what I have found on the internet now, my deep research was conducted some time back into all BB matters including the scandalous actions of some members of its leadership, its business model, the product, the actual profitability, the rules used by BB to keep affiliates profits down, the legitimacy of referral/affiliate marketing. My initial research indicated that what bannersbroker and some of its affiliates were spouting wasn't 100% correct there were inconsistencies with what was being shown as the business model and the outward profitability of the business this was all five months ago, I then kept digging and researching the online advertising industry and determined the reality of what bannersbroker were doing five months back, In ireland for the first time BB admitted to what their real business model was and that matched my actual results. The business model that they are using is the same as I have stated in my very first post.

The 7.8 Trillion $$ Advertising Industri Wants to Double Ur Money and Advertising! - YouTube

There's the original business model, subsequent changes have always invariably been in response to posts on the likes of realscam that have pointed out the obvious flaws.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Well let us not rely on "argument from authority" . Look it up under "logical fallacy" I have been on national level boards and have several qualifications but I dont use that to make my case. I use FACTS and evidence.
So the qualifications or background of amathyst is not required.
however another fallacy is evident that of "burden of proof" and "proving a negative"
Amytheist isnt claiming anything about BB being able to make huge profits. Nor is he claiming his personal qualifications prove it is.
It is impossible for him to prove the negative but the point is that is not wher the burden lies . the burden lies on the claimant i.e. if you claim to be able to make millions you have to supply the proof. Proving you cant make millions isn not required.
It isnt for anyone else to prove a negative claim about BB.
It is for BB to prove their claims with evidence.
One of their claims is a track record in business.
In spite of the fact that this isnt even sufficient proof of the BB system wotking no evidence has been supplied for these claims of experience.
Ametheyst Showing his experience or not wont change that fact.

Have you ever tried getting any business to tell you how they make their money, does google tell everyone hey we are making money using such and such technology, did coca cola ever reveal their special ingredient. I don't know where you practice your legal and logical specialism but here in blighty, you are innocent till proven guilty. There is no necessity for anyone or any organisation to prove it is not a criminal enterprise, if the people believe it is a criminal enterprise let them quickly alert the authorities to this so that the authorities can investigate the business thoroughly, according to the posts 250000+ peoples wealth is at risk why don't you all alert the authorities if you feel so strongly that you have a case against BB. Do you seriously think that people like whip, poyol, hendyphilhendy and other rejects have not already done so?

Originally Posted by Theseus

You only have to watch the videos from Driscoll or Stokes or any multitude of others and they boast about targeting pensioners. Driscoll even crows about snaring a 78 year old and talking him into "investing". Let's be very clear here this isn't a business aimed at internet-savvy "marketers", it's designed to take advantage of those who have no understanding of the industry.

Misleading Representations and Deceptive Marketing Practices: Choice of Criminal or Civil Track under the Competition Act - Competition Bureau
Part VII.1 - Deceptive Marketing Practices

3. The seriousness of the alleged offence will include a consideration of:
(b) whether the deceptive practices targeted or took unfair advantage of vulnerable groups (e.g., children and seniors);

Ok guys here is your shovel start digging.

Originally Posted by Theseus

The 7.8 Trillion $$ Advertising Industri Wants to Double Ur Money and Advertising! - YouTube

There's the original business model, subsequent changes have always invariably been in response to posts on the likes of realscam that have pointed out the obvious flaws.

As I said theseus, my initial research showed that BB and its promoting affiliates were not telling the truth about the business model applied by BB,

BB would possibly have done this because they wanted to protect their business model from copycats,

the BB affiliates because they were ignorant of the truth as BB had provided them with a facade of what they were actually doing.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Well evidence is still required before making statements like this. The possibility still exists that BB is a legitimate business opportunity and that BB have a new business concept that people like okosh fear simply because it's different.

The possibility also exists that unicorns and fire breathing dragons are in my garage. the thing is though it doesnt really matter until I claim that they are there and start charginfg peopole on the promise that those people will see them. You dont seem to be getting the point about burden of evidence. It is for the claimant to prove the claim.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Misleading Representations and Deceptive Marketing Practices: Choice of Criminal or Civil Track under the Competition Act - Competition Bureau
Part VII.1 - Deceptive Marketing Practices

3. The seriousness of the alleged offence will include a consideration of:
(b) whether the deceptive practices targeted or took unfair advantage of vulnerable groups (e.g., children and seniors);

Ok guys here is your shovel start digging.

Quick call the cops! BB is deceptively taking unfair advantage of the vulnerable young and old people.

thats a long sentence in jail for the management team, better get my money out now!

Originally Posted by BB Defender

OK so this 1800banners.com cult has got me really worried now!

Whataboutery!

That fact that someone else may claim pixies in their garage has no bearing on you r claim about unicorns in your garage.
And please dont come back with "well they claim unicorns too" .
And we already know about Dixit and the ICF World Homes.

Originally Posted by Beacon

The possibility also exists that unicorns and fire breathing dragons are in my garage. the thing is though it doesnt really matter until I claim that they are there and start charginfg peopole on the promise that those people will see them. You dont seem to be getting the point about burden of evidence. It is for the claimant to prove the claim.

Let justice be done! call the cops in to arrest the BB management team and force the truth out of them as they clearly wont say it from behind their protective BB office walls.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Have you ever tried getting any business to tell you how they make their money, does google tell everyone hey we are making money using such and such technology

Yes, they publish audited accounts and annual reports which go into detail of how they earn their money. By contrast BB seem to rely entirely on Youtube and Facebook posts by well-known scammers to keep their investors (whooops, there I go again) informed. It is also possible to look up the backstory of Google's founders and indeed to visit their headquarters. Neither of which can be said to be true of Banners Broker.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

really well how do you explain myself, clearly I'm no stranger to the internet and its money making potential, I will also reveal but will not substantiate that I am under 40 and have a degree in business and a masters degree in computing, so how did i get hoodwinked by the BB scam? or is it just that I have looked into this a lot deeper than the detractors and found a real business model that actually works. (dont ask me to prove my claims of what I have said about myself, I wont post anything more)

I believe you educational claims for what it is worth.
I think you might look up Aum Shinrikyo
Aum Shinrikyo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is partly why i cautioned about "Argument from Authority"
It attracted such a considerable number of young graduates from Japan's elite universities that it was dubbed a "religion for the elite".
In fact they were capable of manufacturing Sarin nerve gas.
Being clever or educated is not an indication of being reasonable or kind to others.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

wow so many tits to respond to don't know where to begin. but just so we are clear what I have posted is just what I have found on the internet now, my deep research was conducted some time back into all BB matters including the scandalous actions of some members of its leadership, its business model, the product, the actual profitability, the rules used by BB to keep affiliates profits down, the legitimacy of referral/affiliate marketing. My initial research indicated that what bannersbroker and some of its affiliates were spouting wasn't 100% correct there were inconsistencies with what was being shown as the business model and the outward profitability of the business this was all five months ago, I then kept digging and researching the online advertising industry and determined the reality of what bannersbroker were doing five months back, In ireland for the first time BB admitted to what their real business model was and that matched my actual results. The business model that they are using is the same as I have stated in my very first post.

So you admit that BB had occult knowledge they hide from people?
Knowkledge which you now have?
So what is to stop you setting up a similar business in competition?

Furthermore wher is ther ANY evidence of your "initial research" or subsequent "digging and researching "?

Originally Posted by BB Defender

BB would possibly have done this because they wanted to protect their business model from copycats,

So this legitimate advertising broker, fearful of "copycats" launched its business as a "straightline cycler doubler" that (rather than offering any product) promised to "take $20 and DOUBLE it MULTIPLE TIMES TO $10,000" to throw others off the scent?

Come to think of it, you might be onto something there. I'm pretty sure when Google was launched initially it was a drive-thru carwash....