Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Theseus

What other names did you see?

all the other people, the one that got fired and the raj one had this pic but now raj is a "new man"..

another thing, found this pic on the internet the other day -

did anyone try to ask any of those sites if banners broker is really a partner, (I'm 99% sure they are not but getting the no from the is much better then what I think because it will be 100% will show more of how banners broker is just writing stuff to make it look real..

Originally Posted by Beacon

Call you credit card company and request they refund all payments . You can get back any payments you made over the last 30days in most juristictions. Ask them to do that. Then ask them to change your credit card and cancel the number they have and issue you with a new one. You will have to resubscribe to any standing orders or other regular payments. Then the credit card company will turn their artillery on Banners Broker.

already passed the 30 day mark.. so can't do that, I will just cancel this card and ask for a new one, then they can't do anything with the number, it's just that I didn't think allied wallet is a scamming people like that.. still waiting for an answer from them for the question of why they gave my credit card info to banners broker without asking me before.

Another thing, from this blog - http://www.mark-stokes.com/category/banners-broker there was a post about the people that work in banners broker -

Chris Smith CEO
Rajit Dixit COO
Lorenzo Guarini-Cooperate Canada IC
David Hooker {Sensational speaker and very British} His role is International compliance and PR type ….43 years experience in the business
Grant D’eall- International Corporate Trainer.
Stephanie Schlacht Support Training manager.

do any of you have any info about all the people but chris and rajit? because I never heard of them before and maybe they are linked with some hyips and ponzis that came before banners.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

"Only shooting stars break the mould"

And re the "cultlike" suggestion
I doubt it is this sophisticated and whether the BB management have either the knowledge or exoperience but Neuro Linguistic Programming woudl use business terms "breaking the mould" is one and "shooting star" is one of four types of businesses (based on high/low growth and marker share ) in the growth share matrix - CompensationMaster - Article: Cash Cow, Shooting Star, Question Mark, or Dog?

People with a passing knowledge of marketing would have those terms in the back of their minds.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

@LRM

De-brief and de-progamming required then. Has anyone done this that you know of? Explains why people from other ponzi schemes still believing.

It isnt only cultlike . It is also part of the "follower" culture . Here is a free book ( I kid you not) from "Dr Bob" which I found very informative.

I especially refer you to Chapter 4 but please before you read anything do the 22 question quiz on page 10-12 first.
It would be nice if you posted you score here as well.

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Finch says BB is a Cult so therefore it must be. That is now a fact! You people are behaving just like lemmings. at least analyse the situation before jumping into the ocean.

I have an open mind on it. Di you do the quiz on page 10-12? http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer...oritarians.pdf
Please reply with your answers and you can perform the analysis you requested.

Originally Posted by JordanBright

already passed the 30 day mark.. so can't do that, I will just cancel this card and ask for a new one, then they can't do anything with the number, it's just that I didn't think allied wallet is a scamming people like that.. still waiting for an answer from them for the question of why they gave my credit card info to banners broker without asking me before.

Another thing, from this blog - Banners Broker | Mark Stokes there was a post about the people that work in banners broker -

Chris Smith CEO
Rajit Dixit COO
Lorenzo Guarini-Cooperate Canada IC
David Hooker {Sensational speaker and very British} His role is International compliance and PR type ….43 years experience in the business
Grant D’eall- International Corporate Trainer.
Stephanie Schlacht Support Training manager.

do any of you have any info about all the people but chris and rajit? because I never heard of them before and maybe they are linked with some hyips and ponzis that came before banners.

what does their TOS say? I wouldn't doubt a clause snuck in there about sharing info.

Originally Posted by Whip

Is he really white or black..............

LOL I just thought - How about "50 Shades of Grey"?

Originally Posted by JordanBright

already passed the 30 day mark.. so can't do that,

I disagree. And it might not just be assisting you. One can argue the money was not a legit transaction. If it was a legit business then you can't get it back yes. But you are telling the Credit Card company you were defrauded by an illegal scam. Not alone will they freeze your card but flag any payments to any allied sources or scams. Direct them to this thread and the addresses people and businesses in it. Point out if they are an ethically responsible company they should act on such information. It may take some time but at least you are on the list of creditors.

... it's just that I didn't think allied wallet is a scamming people like that.. still waiting for an answer from them for the question of why they gave my credit card info to banners broker without asking me before.
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Are you sure allied wallet isnt also a scam? I dont know anything about them.
The credit card company and the regulator would be interested in their behaviour. You probably have a case against them as well to recover your damages.

Another thing, from this blogdo any of you have any info about all the people but chris and rajit? because I never heard of them before and maybe they are linked with some hyips and ponzis that came before banners.

yes I posted about one ther other day Banners Broker Brand Ambassador Lorenzo Guarini

There was a Lorenzo Guarini listed as an executive in Raj Dixit's housing scam.


and an excellent post by Ms Dilligent links his partner/wife with the scam.

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...html#post37239

Originally Posted by JordanBright

all the other people, the one that got fired and the raj one had this pic but now raj is a "new man"..

another thing, found this pic on the internet the other day -

did anyone try to ask any of those sites if banners broker is really a partner, (I'm 99% sure they are not but getting the no from the is much better then what I think because it will be 100% will show more of how banners broker is just writing stuff to make it look real..

Again other posters have listed a lot of the so called "partners" are hollywood sets - i.e. you go around the back and they are held together with noting of substance. They are lumped on single servers and put there to give the appearance of a site which has adds on it. the fake writers and inane content is repeated often. In short ther dont appear to be any partners. any associated companies are the same people. for example "Stellar Point" is actually the same company and not a company "contracted to do refunds" . The change of name doccuments have been posted here. Banners Broker canada doesn't actually exist anymore!

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about the legit transaction, that will be a lie if I tell them that, I did do a transaction from my credit card to allied wallet, BUT I did not do a transaction to banners broker, only paid with what I loaded to my ewallet in alliedwallet.. so I can't lie about that.

what I'm going to do is talk about flagging payments to or from allied wallet sources.

about directing them to this thread, don't know about that..

I will wait to see if allied wallet will send an email until tomorrow and then we will see what I do..

it's kinda scary thinking that banners broker not only has and I.D picture and the I.D number of you they also got your credit card number and I'm sure the cvv is also in their hands.. with the I.D they can't do anything to me but with the credit info + the i.d.. that's a whole new story.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Again other posters have listed a lot of the so called "partners" are hollywood sets - i.e. you go around the back and they are held together with noting of substance. They are lumped on single servers and put there to give the appearance of a site which has adds on it. the fake writers and inane content is repeated often. In short ther dont appear to be any partners. any associated companies are the same people. for example "Stellar Point" is actually the same company and not a company "contracted to do refunds" . The change of name doccuments have been posted here. Banners Broker canada doesn't actually exist anymore!

what is "Stellar point" ?

Originally Posted by JordanBright

what is "Stellar point" ?

On this board, it would be and excellent statement made.......out in the world, it is a new name of the banners broker scam.

Stellar Point has been discussed frequently on this forum, it a scapegoat, opps I mean company owned by raj and gloria, I suggest you look back through this discussion
kiwi

As i suspected all negative facebook posts have been deleted.......would like a bb defender to explain this ...

Originally Posted by JordanBright

what is "Stellar point" ?

Stellar point according to Banners Broker are the company they ciontracted to do refunds and who operate out of an office in Canada


BannersBroker

Banners Broker International has contracted with Stellar Point, Inc. to handle all refund and cancellation requests for the company. Therefore, all requests must be sent to the following address:

Stellar Point, Inc.
5 Carlow Court
Whitby, ON L1N 9T7

But in fact Banners Broker changed its name some months ago to Stellar Point


https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/Corp...&crpNm=Stellar

Corporate Name History

2009-09-28 to 2012-02-22 7250037 CANADA INC.


2012-02-22 to 2012-07-30 Bannersbroker Limited


2012-07-30 to Present Stellar Point INC.

Not alone that but the arddress is occupied by another company for decades
Durham Energy Specialist Ltd. - Consulting Engineers click on "contact us"

If anything they probably rented a small table space or even just a mailbox certainly not offices for 100 employees as they claim - without any pictures!

Originally Posted by Whip

On this board, it would be and excellent statement made.......out in the world, it is a new name of the banners broker scam.

Originally Posted by kiwi chick nz

Stellar Point has been discussed frequently on this forum, it a scapegoat, opps I mean company owned by raj and gloria, I suggest you look back through this discussion
kiwi

Tisochritifaos Ltd
Cyprus/ Greece: The office will be closed from December 22- January 1

CM Consulting
France: The office will be closed from December 21- January 2

North Star Support
Iceland/Sweden The office will be closed from December 21 - January 1

Banners Broker India
India: Banners Broker India office will closed only on Christmas Day - December 25

Stellar Point Inc.
International The office will be closed from December 21 - January 2

Macoone Online Marketing
Ireland: The office will be closed from December 21 - 26, December 29 - January 2

Exclusivalcance Unipessoal Lda
Portugal: The office will be closed on December 24 - 25, December 31 and January 1

Imander Associates S.L.
Spain: The office will be closed from December 22 - January 6

so that's whats the company is called like.. apart from this section you can't find a place in banners broker where they talk about Stellar Point..

oh and by the way kiwi chick nz, just clicked on the facebook and saw my post there, lol. don't know if you NEED to ask me to put that there but next time please do, I don't want banners broker to know what is my banners account so they won't just close it and run with my I.D pic and credit card info..

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Originally Posted by Beacon

about the legit transaction, that will be a lie if I tell them that, I did do a transaction from my credit card to allied wallet, BUT I did not do a transaction to banners broker, only paid with what I loaded to my ewallet in alliedwallet.. so I can't lie about that.

what I'm going to do is talk about flagging payments to or from allied wallet sources.

about directing them to this thread, don't know about that..

I will wait to see if allied wallet will send an email until tomorrow and then we will see what I do..

it's kinda scary thinking that banners broker not only has and I.D picture and the I.D number of you they also got your credit card number and I'm sure the cvv is also in their hands.. with the I.D they can't do anything to me but with the credit info + the i.d.. that's a whole new story.

Jordan if you are worried, get in contact with your bank before they close for Christmas (2 days in UK) so you can arrange a new card and alert them to the fact you think your card has been compromised. Usually, this means that any strange transactions will be blocked and they may well contact you to check out what is going on. They will also issue you with new card.

Jordan most credit card companies allow you 60 days to disupte a transaction now, not 30 as before. This changed about 4 years ago.

Originally Posted by JordanBright

already passed the 30 day mark.. so can't do that, I will just cancel this card and ask for a new one, then they can't do anything with the number, it's just that I didn't think allied wallet is a scamming people like that.. still waiting for an answer from them for the question of why they gave my credit card info to banners broker without asking me before.

Another thing, from this blog - Banners Broker | Mark Stokes there was a post about the people that work in banners broker -

Chris Smith CEO
Rajit Dixit COO
Lorenzo Guarini-Cooperate Canada IC
David Hooker {Sensational speaker and very British} His role is International compliance and PR type ….43 years experience in the business
Grant D’eall- International Corporate Trainer.
Stephanie Schlacht Support Training manager.

do any of you have any info about all the people but chris and rajit? because I never heard of them before and maybe they are linked with some hyips and ponzis that came before banners.

Lots of information on all of them, what do you want to know?


If it saves time, they're all scammers, and the involvement of any of them should raise a big red flag.....

Originally Posted by BB Defender

Its not really a bad analogy amathyst, you can also witness an impression and be the source of an impression, just go to google and type in "dishwasher" or "kettle" or any other commodity, the first things you see on the results page are adverts from retailers of these commodities. By viewing these adverts you have provided google with an impression/s which they have sold in advance to those advertisers. Google have therefore supplied a service/good/impression to their customers and have a legitimate claim to be payed by the advertiser.

When bannersbroker say they drive traffic to your website it means they have the ability to buy traffic/impressions from the blind network (see link for definition Advertising network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and have your banner ad seen by that traffic visiting the blind network. If your ad is seen then there is a likely chance that your ad will be clicked on and people will visit your website.

Also you have overlooked the possibility that today's web technology means that your ad can be served on any one of many banners within an ad network. The ad can move about from site to site depending on the where traffic is available this is the job of the brokers that control the network.

Furthermore there is even newer web technology called RTB real time bidding that allows advertisers to bid for a specific impression at the time the impression is being served. I think google may have invented this, just google this up and it will open your eyes to how advanced the online advertising industry has become. Gone are the days of fixed banner ads on websites waiting for that websites organic traffic to come and see it, its now all about targeting the right ad to the right people, its so much more lucrative.

Christ, I don't even know where to start with this. I work for the online team of a marketing department for a market leading UK company. I deal with this stuff every single day and I can tell you in no uncertain terms what Banners Broker (and subsequently your fine self) is spouting is absolute waffle.

Oh dear is all I have to say.

Originally Posted by Beacon

Are you sure allied wallet isnt also a scam? I dont know anything about them.

Isn't that the whole point ????

Which Banners Broker member DOES know anything about them ???

For that matter, which Banners Broker member knows anything about ANY of the payment processors they have used ???

Think about it.

Not only have people sent off money to a company they have never heard of, run by people who may or may not exist, they've done it via payment processors they never knew existed, which are based in overseas jurisdictions and are also run by who knows who ??

How many of the Banners Broker members even knew "payment processors" existed prior to joining ??

AND, on top of that, they've also sent off their most vital pieces of identification to these unknown people, as well.

Is it any wonder law enforcement officials tear their hair out in frustration ???

I couldn't imagine a more perfect scenario for mass identity fraud, mass credit card fraud and mass bank account draining if I tried.

AND

what's worse, all of the potential victims did it willingly and eagerly.

Probably nothing will come of it but I have just sent YouTube some feedback suggesting they remove all the videos promoting Banners Broker on YouTube as they are promoting an international Ponzi Scheme. I have pointed them to here & Finches Blog.

It only takes a couple of mins using the YouTube feedback tool that also takes a screen shot.

The more the merrier. Send YouTube your feedback, as basically they are unwitting enablers.

banners broker - YouTube 2012-12-23 01-54-10.jpg

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Isn't that the whole point ????

I looked up allied Wallet .com

https://www.alliedwallet.com/the-sun...business-grow/

Funny how
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/search/?q...+Allied+Wallet

Reveals Zero results?

Having worked both writing for and making PR to attract Press coverage:
The above Press Release
1. Has no name or contact address phone email
2. Is written in a very unorthodox style
The "about" link https://www.alliedwallet.com/about/ contains no information about allied Wallett - company number, Board members, contacts, offices.

The complaince link has no policies on it, no link to the Statutory requirements. In fact you do not even know what state it is in other than the Press release mentions LA!

and this
https://www.alliedwallet.com/the-gua...nt-innovation/
Claiming to be a Press Release lol "has been commended by the British daily news provider, The Guardian, for their innovation and achievements in the digital payment industry."
Passive form of verb? In a press release. Long meandering intro? And then using the same style as the previous one a paragraph detailing the circulation figures of The Guardian. "Is this PR for Allied Wallet or The Guardian" I would ask the writer before I told them to edit it or get a new job.

,At least it mentions , Andy Khawaja and gives an author A.J. Almeda who at least has a linkedin page
A.J. Almeda | LinkedIn

Which lists the background of this Marketing Co Ordinator in a credit and finance company.....

California State University-Long Beach
Liberal Arts, English

Doesnt mention whether it was a degree. His last job was a Lab Technician. Mind you as CEO he does not mention that but instead says "marketing co - ordinator"

Doesnt Californian Law require some regulation of people running credit institutions?

The CEO
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view...rowse_map-name
Andy Khawaja - with a very fuzzy picture? says he founded Allied Wallet in 2002 but didnt seem to do anything. Admits the company only began tyo grow since 2005.
Funny how during all this growth it has no press coverage until December 2012?

No way should anyone give ANY personal information let alone credit card data to such a source!

The domain www.alliedwallet.com is hosted from IP address 67.138.106.228, having reverse-lookup 67.138.106.228 and inward-pointing nameservers . According to records, www.alliedwallet.com is the only domain hosted from this IP address. The server hosting www.alliedwallet.com is located in a data center in Riverton, UT, United States.

Their contact page gives a London address
1 Northumberland Avenue, Trafalgar Square. London, WC2N 5BW. United Kingdom
Where just anyone can rent an office:
Serviced offices London Trafalgar Square to Rent & Let - Regus UK
or even a post box?

and the IT support contact?
7525 E Camelback #208
Scottsdale AZ 85251

Ironically, The domain banners-broker-site.com is currently hosted on a server located in Scottsdale AZ, United States with the IP address 68.178.232.100.


Allied Wallet had an address ther in 2008
Isnt internet archiving wonderfull?
Prohibited Merchant list | Allied Wallet

Prohibited Sectors


Allied Wallet will not process for any of these products or services.

Animals

Alcohol

Body Parts

Child Pornography

Drugs

eWallets

Money Transfer Businesses

Online gaming or Gambling in the USA (USA Cards must be blocked 7995 MCC)

Pharmacy: Controlled Substances

Prostitution

Tobacco (when sent outside of your country and/or state)
Weapons

Whats that ? No "eWallets" ? or
Money Transfer Businesses ?

Better tell the BB associates about that.

I thought there was an interesting point to this Facebook post:

"Zurab Shonia Dear BB team, There is bug in program which maintains Personal Information in the back office.
In The Government Identification section of the Account General Information to me, country was changed (do not understandable how) from Georgia to South Ossetia and I cannot change it back to Georgia. I am trying to edit, choose from combo box “Georgia” then click save, but in the country box displayed “South Ossetia” again. South Ossetia is not country, it is part of Georgia separated and occupied by Russian Federation. The country code for South Ossetia and Abkhazia is same as for Georgia and for this reason instead of Georgia and Abkhazia BB data base always would be displayed South Ossetia. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not recognized by United Nations and they are not listed in the country lists of Operation Systems (e.g. MS windows). Therefore neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia would be listed in country combo box. Please remove these parts of Georgia from your database countries list and I think this will remove a bug from your program.
BTW today my panels start to working, were not update since 11th Dec.
Thank you. 2012-12-21

Why would South Ossetia be listed as a country? Russia is one of the few that recognises it as a separate state - The UN and majority of the world see it as a region of Georgia. Those not familiar with world events, might like to familiarise themselves with the century old conflict Georgian

As the post above says, you will never find South Ossetia in any 'normal' country list when signing up for something. It would be like having 'New South Wales' or 'California' listed as a country. However looking at the list of countries in the BB account area, there are many hand-added locations tacked onto the end of the standard list.

Russia.jpg

SthOssetia.jpg

Originally Posted by Beacon

I looked up allied Wallet .com

https://www.alliedwallet.com/the-sun...business-grow/

Funny how
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/search/?q...+Allied+Wallet

Reveals Zero results?

Having worked both writing for and making PR to attract Press coverage:
The above Press Release
1. Has no name or contact address phone email
2. Is written in a very unorthodox style
The "about" link https://www.alliedwallet.com/about/ contains no information about allied Wallett - company number, Board members, contacts, offices.

The complaince link has no policies on it, no link to the Statutory requirements. In fact you do not even know what state it is in other than the Press release mentions LA!

and this
https://www.alliedwallet.com/the-gua...nt-innovation/
Claiming to be a Press Release lol "has been commended by the British daily news provider, The Guardian, for their innovation and achievements in the digital payment industry."
Passive form of verb? In a press release. Long meandering intro? And then using the same style as the previous one a paragraph detailing the circulation figures of The Guardian. "Is this PR for Allied Wallet or The Guardian" I would ask the writer before I told them to edit it or get a new job.

,At least it mentions , Andy Khawaja and gives an author A.J. Almeda who at least has a linkedin page
A.J. Almeda | LinkedIn

Which lists the background of this Marketing Co Ordinator in a credit and finance company.....

California State University-Long Beach
Liberal Arts, English

Doesnt mention whether it was a degree. His last job was a Lab Technician. Mind you as CEO he does not mention that but instead says "marketing co - ordinator"

Doesnt Californian Law require some regulation of people running credit institutions?

The CEO
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view...rowse_map-name
Andy Khawaja - with a very fuzzy picture? says he founded Allied Wallet in 2002 but didnt seem to do anything. Admits the company only began tyo grow since 2005.
Funny how during all this growth it has no press coverage until December 2012?

No way should anyone give ANY personal information let alone credit card data to such a source!

The domain www.alliedwallet.com is hosted from IP address 67.138.106.228, having reverse-lookup 67.138.106.228 and inward-pointing nameservers . According to records, www.alliedwallet.com is the only domain hosted from this IP address. The server hosting www.alliedwallet.com is located in a data center in Riverton, UT, United States.

Their contact page gives a London address
1 Northumberland Avenue, Trafalgar Square. London, WC2N 5BW. United Kingdom
Where just anyone can rent an office:
Serviced offices London Trafalgar Square to Rent & Let - Regus UK
or even a post box?

and the IT support contact?
7525 E Camelback #208
Scottsdale AZ 85251

Ironically, The domain banners-broker-site.com is currently hosted on a server located in Scottsdale AZ, United States with the IP address 68.178.232.100.


Allied Wallet had an address ther in 2008
Isnt internet archiving wonderfull?
Prohibited Merchant list | Allied Wallet



Whats that ? No "eWallets" ? or
Money Transfer Businesses ?

Better tell the BB associates about that.

Don't you love the thought processes that go into trusting something you've never heard of before called "Allied Wallet" or something similar and sending off your hard earned to it or them ??

So, this guy named Tony Soprano opens up a payment processor called "Bada-Bing E Wallet"

He register it in Britain using a serviced office address, uses a Utah address in the U.S.A. and website servers in a different U.S. state.

He nominates a whole heap of known HYIP ponzi fraudsters as "office bearers" and opens for business while associating the payment processor with a HYIP ponzi fraud.

Maybe it's just me, but, I sure as h*** wouldn't be rushing to send Mr Soprano my hard earned, much less allowing he or his friends within a country mile of my identity documents and bank account or credit card details.

Substitute the name "Soprano" for "Smith" and bada-bing, bada-boom, the Allied Wallet story in a nutshell.