Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

I may well have become overly reliant on my spellchecker over the years, and had to adapt to wearing a seat-belt, penalty points, and other 'changes' too numerous to mention...

However, I've never relied on a payment until it was 'in my hand', as are the tickets for the holiday that I will shortly take, thanks to BB.

What real 'proof' do you have, that I can feel and touch?
Justify your claims with something real, and we'll talk.

I feel kind of guilty debating points with BV, it's like kicking a puppy for crapping all over the carpet.

Originally Posted by Whip

But that would mean you don't even need any employees at that point. You'd all allegedly be rich.
Why do you people keep shooting yourselves in the foot trying to play big shot while defending your scam hoping to at least get a morsel of what you lost back?

Whip don't forget the typical Banners Broker affiliate earns less than $40 per month. (source Banners Broker themselves)
So not much danger of becoming rich.

Originally Posted by BalancedView

I may well have become overly reliant on my spellchecker over the years, and had to adapt to wearing a seat-belt, penalty points, and other 'changes' too numerous to mention...

However, I've never relied on a payment until it was 'in my hand', as are the tickets for the holiday that I will shortly take, thanks to BB.

What real 'proof' do you have, that I can feel and touch?
Justify your claims with something real, and we'll talk.

BalancedView,

Proving a negative is quite difficult.
Especially when the company's financial records are private - public records would make it quite easy.
But, hey - do we really need to prove anything?

Things will come to light soon enough - I've heard there are investigations going on at the moment.

Jason

Originally Posted by Whip

But that would mean you don't even need any employees at that point. You'd all allegedly be rich.
Why do you people keep shooting yourselves in the foot trying to play big shot while defending your scam hoping to at least get a morsel of what you lost back?

Define 'You people' please.
I'm a very down to earth man, in real life.
I have never shot myself in the foot, or the leg, for that matter.

Originally Posted by Poyol

BalancedView,

Proving a negative is quite difficult.
Especially when the company's financial records are private - public records would make it quite easy.
But, hey - do we really need to prove anything?

Things will come to light soon enough - I've heard there are investigations going on at the moment.

Jason

Do you hear a lot of things, Jason?
At night, when you are all alone, or in crowded places, like on the bus?

Originally Posted by BalancedView

I may well have become overly reliant on my spellchecker over the years, and had to adapt to wearing a seat-belt, penalty points, and other 'changes' too numerous to mention...

However, I've never relied on a payment until it was 'in my hand', as are the tickets for the holiday that I will shortly take, thanks to BB.

What real 'proof' do you have, that I can feel and touch?
Justify your claims with something real, and we'll talk.

No one is denying that payments have been made and that more payments will be made. I think what most people on here are getting at is these payments are from an illicit source that will more than likely be shut down soon.

Originally Posted by BalancedView

Define 'You people' please.
I'm a very down to earth man, in real life.
I have never shot myself in the foot, or the leg, for that matter.

I don't want to speak for Whip but I think 'You people' might be referring to Banners Broker Shills & Pimps.

Originally Posted by BalancedView

Do you hear a lot of things, Jason?
At night, when you are all alone, or in crowded places, like on the bus?

I just shook my head in disbelief for a second there.
I don't suffer from psychosis. Do you?

I'm just finding it difficult how an 'honest' man would defend Banners Broker.
If it were a legitimate business why would it need defending? Wouldn't you just leave people to say what they wanted to?

Jason

I'm bored with you guys.

Have a lovely Christmas.

Don't get too depressed if BB is 'around' for the new year.

And remember, you can always phone, or PM, each other, if you get any more depressed.

Life is for the living, and as my Grandmother used to say:
'The graveyards are full of men, that never left the townland.....'

Originally Posted by BalancedView

I'm bored with you guys.

Have a lovely Christmas.

Don't get too depressed if BB is 'around' for the new year.

And remember, you can always phone, or PM, each other, if you get any more depressed.

Life is for the living, and as my Grandmother used to say:
'The graveyards are full of men, that never left the townland.....'

My grandmother used to say "a fool and his money are soon parted"


Seems more appropriate somehow

Originally Posted by BalancedView

Life is for the living, and as my Grandmother used to say:
'The graveyards are full of men, that never left the townland.....'

Some graveyards have people in them who committed suicide after having money stolen from them by a Ponzi scheme.

Madoff victim commits suicide < French news | Expatica France

Army major kills himself over Bernard Madoff fraud debts - Telegraph

I have a legitimate, honest question to ask. I think 'balancedview' has left the room but maybe he will see this and answer.

Up until very recently, all the lead affiliates of BB had been describing BB as working with a network of approximately 200,000 publishers, and that they were the lynchpin in the arrangement between underutilized "real estate" on these publisher websites, and willing advertisers.

For example, Jamie Waters has a video that explains this in detail:

Explaining Banners Broker slightly differently - YouTube

Now, the message from BB (e.g. David Hooker) seems to contradict all the prior volume of marketing material like that example -- there are literally hundreds of similar examples, and publication from BB themselves that said the same thing.

The new message is that BB is not a broker, and that it simply arbitrates within The Blind Network (singular). Here is a direct quote from David:

"Banners Broker is not one of these brokers. In the early days of Banners Broker, CEO Chris Smith saw the potential of tapping into the blind network and worked out how – in a way that no one else was doing.This network of brokers and websites and the ad agencies that utilize these publishing sites crank out the $500 billion dollars that is produced in the online advertising industry.
If that could be tapped into, there’s an exciting prospect."

Dublin Reflections - workingbb

So -- there is no way the company has morphed from version A of the business model to version B, in a matter of a few weeks recently. I'd really like to know how someone on the inside track with BB would defend this.

Originally Posted by samuel.r

Now, the message from BB (e.g. David Hooker) seems to contradict all the prior volume of marketing material like that example -- there are literally hundreds of similar examples, and publication from BB themselves that said the same thing.

The new message is that BB is not a broker, and that it simply arbitrates within The Blind Network (singular). Here is a direct quote from David:

"Banners Broker is not one of these brokers. In the early days of Banners Broker, CEO Chris Smith saw the potential of tapping into the blind network and worked out how – in a way that no one else was doing.This network of brokers and websites and the ad agencies that utilize these publishing sites crank out the $500 billion dollars that is produced in the online advertising industry.
If that could be tapped into, there’s an exciting prospect."

Dublin Reflections - workingbb

Slightly off your point but worth adding. This $500 billion figure they keep throwing round applies to all advertising, not just online advertising like they point out. Online advertising is only about 20% of that figure. Still a lot, granted, but it would be nice if they got their facts right. Though this is a company that sources all of their figures from wikipedia.

Does anyone know why it's so easy to put up with the rantings of HYIP ponzi shills and pimps of the BalancedView aka Roger Stockburger type ???



mybannersbrokerjourney.blogspot.co.nz

Reading things like that will do it for you every time.

REAL people being ripped off blind by the "BalancedViews" of the HYIP ponzi world.

NOBODY, and, I do mean NOBODY deserves to be stolen from like that. No matter how "stupid" or "deserving" or "gullible" Roger "BalancedView" Stockburger and his criminal associates may view the victims of their efforts.

On top of which NOBODY, no matter how much of a smartass he or she may be, has the right to take advantage of a fellow human like BalancedView Stockburger and his thieving Banners Broker mates are doing daily,

NOBODY.

Originally Posted by amathyst87

Slightly off your point but worth adding. This $500 billion figure they keep throwing round applies to all advertising, not just online advertising like they point out. Online advertising is only about 20% of that figure. Still a lot, granted, but it would be nice if they got their facts right. Though this is a company that sources all of their figures from wikipedia.

Oh, I realize that. The statistical information coming from the leadership in BB resembles little more than a random number generator. I've long since given up on trying to correct this type of misinformation, and instead want to see how they defend their variable business model.

So I raised two important questions in the last two days. First was to clearly refute the claim that the typical profit margin of a BB affiliate is well within retail norms, at 37.5%. In fact most affiliates claim yearly ROI of anywhere from 1000% to 3000% or more.

Second was this point about how David Hooker's presentation contradicts recent publication from both BB and lead affiliates.

I really wish my questions would not be ignored. While I appreciate the spelling and grammar attacks, and the name calling (from the BB aficionados) -- it would be far more productive if they could formulate a viable response to points like this.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Does anyone know why it's so easy to put up with the rantings of HYIP ponzi shills and pimps of the BalancedView aka Roger Stockburger type ???

mybannersbrokerjourney.blogspot.co.nz

Reading things like that will do it for you every time.

REAL people being ripped off blind by the "BalancedViews" of the HYIP ponzi world.

NOBODY, and, I do mean NOBODY deserves to be stolen from like that. No matter how "stupid" or "deserving" or "gullible" Roger "BalancedView" Stockburger and his criminal associates may view the victims of their efforts.

On top of which NOBODY, no matter how much of a smartass he or she may be, has the right to take advantage of a fellow human like BalancedView Stockburger and his thieving Banners Broker mates are doing daily,

NOBODY.

For reasons i'll keep to myself, you don't have to worry about whatisbannersbroker.com or 'Margy P'. I will also add that all the actual figures on that blog post are legitimate. Like we've all been saying, we know people have made money from Banners Broker (myself being one of them - well, i will be when my withdrawal comes through next week), what I think we've all established on here is that it won't last and it will get shown for what it actually is.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Does anyone know why it's so easy to put up with the rantings of HYIP ponzi shills and pimps of the BalancedView aka Roger Stockburger type ???

mybannersbrokerjourney.blogspot.co.nz

This bit was interesting, and shows why BB stopped allowing it - they can't have affiliates stealing money that is rightfully theirs to steal!

"Each of these wanted a Green package and so they sent me the $415 to my own bank account. when I received money from them I purchased the Green package for them out of the profit already in my own account and transferred the package to them (unfortunately, this facility is no longer available)"

Bit confused why her 'About' starts with $$$ (as it should be for NZ) and then starts talking £££ - almost as if its been copied/pasted from somewhere else.

Margery Peloe has run a catering business for 4 years, but not much history online for her. Whitepages.co.nz has no Peloe's listed (not uncommon to have an unlisted number these days though, thanks to those pesky Indian phone scammers).

Originally Posted by amathyst87

For reasons i'll keep to myself, you don't have to worry about whatisbannersbroker.com or 'Margy P'. I will also add that all the actual figures on that blog post are legitimate. Like we've all been saying, we know people have made money from Banners Broker (myself being one of them - well, i will be when my withdrawal comes through next week), what I think we've all established on here is that it won't last and it will get shown for what it actually is.

It's strange to see MargyP saying that Whatisbb.com helped her - yet the advert on that page links to her referral link.

And whatisbannersbroker.com Whois address points to what looks like a council house in Southport.

Jason

Originally Posted by amathyst87

For reasons i'll keep to myself, you don't have to worry about whatisbannersbroker.com or 'Margy P'.

Kiwi's like to get their money back (one way or another), and the authorities there seem to be willing to help reclaim monies lost in scams - its a lot easier in a small country. Therefore it is worthwhile noting Margery Peloe's existence as she appears to have brought enough people into the fold to have made her money back in 70 days.

Originally Posted by Poyol

It's strange to see MargyP saying that Whatisbb.com helped her - yet the advert on that page links to her referral link.

And whatisbannersbroker.com Whois address points to what looks like a council house in Southport.

Jason

That would be the 'Nik' she refers to...

Registrant:
nicolas spooner

Originally Posted by Hypanor

That would be the 'Nik' she refers to...

Registrant:
nicolas spooner

Correct - I won't post any more information about said person unless someone wants me to.
But I'm sure you all know where to find it.

I know both Margy P and Nik - both family members who have made money from Banners Broker and do believe it works, i actually designed the logo for whatisbannersbroker.com (not my best work I will happily admit!). but I can assure you have nobody underneath them except other family members (myself included). I would ask politely we perhaps move on?

Originally Posted by amathyst87

I know both Margy P and Nik - both family members who have made money from Banners Broker and do believe it works, i actually designed the logo for whatisbannersbroker.com (not my best work I will happily admit!). but I can assure you have nobody underneath them except other family members (myself included). I would ask politely we perhaps move on?

John,

On Nic's website there's an image there that says "Not a single member of our affiliate team has failed to make money with this unbeatable opportunity." [sic] - So they don't have anyone beneath them?

Jason

Her name is now recorded here for posterity, should anyone want to see what her bona fides are in the future (once the google bots have done their thing). You may want to let her know that!

And seriously, if she makes too much out of it, there is a possibility she will get caught up in the aftermath - as will happen with the David Ross winners & losers currently (slowly) going on.