Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Julie Diligent

Check out this BB affiliate's blog, Phil; he has a good go at reporting what was presented at Dublin, including David Hooker's explanation of the Blind Network: Dublin Reflections - workingbb

I'm sure he's doing even more due diligence by using services such as Adometry which uniquely help advertisers using blind networks...to make sure Banners Broker is delivering real value.

Adometry Press Release

Excerpt:

Adometry Ad Analytics is specifically designed to solve the unique problems online advertisers face when running display campaigns across a variety of platforms, such as publisher web sites, ad exchanges, Demand Side Platforms (DSPs) and blind ad networks.

Full Press Release:

Austin, TX – March 1, 2011
Today at the OMMA Global Conference & Expo, Adometry (formerly Click Forensics, Inc.) launched the industry’s first integrated ad analytics suite designed to help online advertisers measure and optimize campaign performance across different ad networks, publishers and media properties. The Adometry Ad Analytics suite, which has processed billions of clicks for dozens of the world’s largest advertisers in beta testing and production modes, combines ad verification, dynamic attribution and campaign optimization in a single solution. This unique approach gives advertisers a comprehensive way to measure and manage campaigns across the entire online advertising ecosystem.

“As the number of middlemen between display advertisers and audiences continues to grow, brands need ways to identify exactly where and when their campaigns deliver results so they can maximize return on ad spend,” said Paul Pellman, CEO of Adometry. “Our new cross-platform ad analytics suite allows them to do just that by tracking the quality of impressions and unique attributes contributing to success across different systems and networks.”

Adometry Ad Analytics is specifically designed to solve the unique problems online advertisers face when running display campaigns across a variety of platforms, such as publisher web sites, ad exchanges, Demand Side Platforms (DSPs) and blind ad networks. Key features available in the Adometry Ad Analytics suite include:

• Ad Analytics Validate™: helps brands and agencies verify the reach and frequency of online campaigns, validating when and how often display campaigns reached their desired target audiences. In addition to providing all the functionality of ad verification and brand safety solutions, Validate goes a step further by helping advertisers pinpoint specific demographics reached, how they were reached, and which ad networks and publishers performed best.

• Ad Analytics Attribute™: dynamic cross-channel attribution uses predictive modeling and machine learning to help brands move beyond ineffective last-click attribution measurement and arbitrary fractional measurement techniques. Dynamic attribution measures not only ad lift, but also identifies which combination of campaign settings – such as site visits, search ad clicks, and social media engagement – are contributing best to conversions. Attribute analyzes budget, frequency and placement data, ROAS, conversions, and reach in order to adjust campaign delivery and optimize the mix of media properties that best suit ad campaign goals.

Don't you just love what passes for Banners Broker apologists' version of "facts" ????

"Raj said" is a Banners Broker "fact"

"David Hooker said" becomes a "fact"

"A nationally distributed newspaper said" is NOT a "fact"

"Chris Smith said" is a "fact"

Six months ago, very few of them knew Chris Smith, Raj Dixit or David Hooker even existed. Now every word they utter is a "fact"

Six months ago, very few of the members knew there was a market for selling "banners" Now they are experts in online advertising.

Banners Brokers told them there are ten major sellers of "banners" on the planet and all of them simply accepted the statement as being a "fact"

On the other hand, if anyone here on REALSCAM.com said there are only five resellers, they would ask for "proof" but blindly accept what Banners Broker has said as being a "fact"

They are only too willing to believe what someone who stands to make money from them, but, will insist on being provided with "proof" from someone who will neither lose nor gain from being believed.

I'll say it again, at this end of the life of a HYIP ponzi, logic and common sense have very little to do with what's occurring.

People are STILL defending Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily, MONTHS after he finally pleaded guilty in court and was jailed.

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

To be honest it is this kind of comment that annoys me here sometimes. It may be straightforward and to the point but adds absolutely nothing to the issue.

I believe Banners Broker is a scam as much as you do; however, when commenting I feel it more appropriate to treat it as if it is were genuine business. That way you can debunk the factors that assumption is based on.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems to me that you are rather new at this anti-scam stuff....(??)....
If it is then it explains your position on treating BB as if it were a business....

For those like me, Littleroundman, whip and a whole bunch of others here at realscam we find it impossible to agree with you....reason is that we have seen "banners brokers" a hundred times b4.....
All that changes from scam to scam is the program name, admins name and a few minor points like the daily %....
The rest is all the same....From 12dailypro back in 2006 to CEP to ASD to Zeek and to banners it's all the same lies....And with the same end result of lives being ruined for those who believed that the program was anything but a scam, online money game....

Hope you stick around Phil long after BB is done and dusted as you are clearly an asset to the team....
In time I believe your opinion will change and you will adopt our position of a scam is a scam is a scam and it's all just the same old, same old....

Originally Posted by okosh

For those like me, Littleroundman, whip and a whole bunch of others here at realscam we find it impossible to agree with you....reason is that we have seen "banners brokers" a hundred times b4.....
All that changes from scam to scam is the program name, admins name and a few minor points like the daily %....
The rest is all the same....From 12dailypro back in 2006 to CEP to ASD to Zeek and to banners it's all the same lies....And with the same end result of lives being ruined for those who believed that the program was anything but a scam, online money game....

What's more, just as "we" know that, so do the fraudsters themselves.

They know EXACTLY how to deal with "logic" and "facts"

It's their business and their livelihood to do so.

Put up a "fact" on a forum such as REALSCAM.com and they will change the circumstances around the "fact" within minutes.

What's more, a thousand pimps and shills spread all over the planet can be in on the "changes" within a matter of seconds and can provide apparently independent "verification" of the changes within minutes.

Zeek Rewards had over $600 million pass through their accounts, THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THUS FAR.

How much time and effort would you put in for access to even a minor chunk of an amount like that ??

Originally Posted by activeone

From my own extensive personal due diligence, I doubt whether BB is a Ponzi as such. There could be "Ponzi elements" in the whole scheme, but anything to suggest this is pure speculation until we got to see their concise and audited financials, and I doubt whether BB management's going to flop open their books to a bunch of proper auditors to justify themselves to a bunch of bottom feeders hell bent on bringing the company down, so until that happens, there's no concrete proof either way.

Roger!!!! Good to see ya buddy! How's the world of corporate finance taxi driving? Still waiting at the airport to catch a flight for a fare?

Seriously though, this "extensive personal due diligence" you speak of, could you break down what exactly was involved in that? It would be extremely useful to know what steps you've taken and what proof you've uncovered that so convinced you of the validity of Banners Broker.

Sharing this with us should assuage our fears that the whole thing is a just a great big scam.....

Originally Posted by activeone

Companies such as Avon, Tupperware and many major MLM companies also won't allow you to use their company names as part of your domains. It's common practise to prevent somebody from getting the impression that a particular website is a company website or an affiliates'
They're also fussy about how their logos and images are used on business cards, brochures, and websites for the same reason. It must be clear to a prospective customer or affiliate that the affiliate's webpage, advertisement or business card shows clearly that they are an independent affiliate of that company, and not an official representative (or employee).

So let me get this straight. If it is common practice that companies doen't let you use their company name as part of your domain, so why did it take these geniuses 2 years to figure this out? I mean these are the smartest people on the planet.

But then we can't forget this launched as a Straightline Cycler Doubler program that magically morphed into and advertising program when the doubler wasn't working. Wonder what the story will change to next?

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

To be honest it is this kind of comment that annoys me here sometimes. It may be straightforward and to the point but adds absolutely nothing to the issue.

I believe Banners Broker is a scam as much as you do; however, when commenting I feel it more appropriate to treat it as if it is were genuine business. That way you can debunk the factors that assumption is based on.

All research into online opportunities HAVE to start with the assumption that they are scams - whether HYIP or not - because the overwhelming majority of them ARE scams. This is the point of the Salty Droid's tagline: "You Can't Make Money Online". Not to mention that the potential losses are huge if a person gets it wrong.

Researching an online business/ad platform, job, etc. is NOT the same as researching an offline business. Why wouldn't you start with the most obvious and likely assumption first?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

But then we can't forget this launched as a Straightline Cycler Doubler program that magically morphed into and advertising program when the doubler wasn't working. Wonder what the story will change to next?

The blind network angle is pretty slick, because even the real blind network area is fraught with all kinds of fraud and verification problems. It's like a shrewder version of a "secret goldmine" scam.

Originally Posted by activeone

Companies such as Avon, Tupperware and many major MLM companies also won't allow you to use their company names as part of your domains. It's common practise to prevent somebody from getting the impression that a particular website is a company website or an affiliates'
They're also fussy about how their logos and images are used on business cards, brochures, and websites for the same reason. It must be clear to a prospective customer or affiliate that the affiliate's webpage, advertisement or business card shows clearly that they are an independent affiliate of that company, and not an official representative (or employee).

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The first rule of Banners Broker is you don't.......

Originally Posted by JustTooMuchTime

All research into online opportunities HAVE to start with the assumption that they are scams - whether HYIP or not - because the overwhelming majority of them ARE scams. This is the point of the Salty Droid's tagline: "You Can't Make Money Online". Not to mention that the potential losses are huge if a person gets it wrong.

Researching an online business/ad platform, job, etc. is NOT the same as researching an offline business. Why wouldn't you start with the most obvious and likely assumption first?

"overwhelming majority" being 110% of them....

Originally Posted by EagleOne

So let me get this straight. If it is common practice that companies doen't let you use their company name as part of your domain, so why did it take these geniuses 2 years to figure this out? I mean these are the smartest people on the planet.

But then we can't forget this launched as a Straightline Cycler Doubler program that magically morphed into and advertising program when the doubler wasn't working. Wonder what the story will change to next?

If these companies won't let you use their names, why are they giving their reps domains with the company name in it?

Roger, sorry ActiveOne, is correct - its certainly not unusual for a business (and lets not get into that argument again!) to restrict how the brand name is used. Many 'affiliate' or franchise type businesses (legit ones) will supply websites / emails / stationery artwork, but will restrict members from creating their own. So the fact that BB is doing it is probably not something to dwell on IMO, it means nothing.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Roger, sorry ActiveOne, is correct - its certainly not unusual for a business (and lets not get into that argument again!) to restrict how the brand name is used. Many 'affiliate' or franchise type businesses (legit ones) will supply websites / emails / stationery artwork, but will restrict members from creating their own. So the fact that BB is doing it is probably not something to dwell on IMO, it means nothing.

That argument would stand up to scrutiny if they had done so from day 1. The fact that there has been a concerted effort to remove all branding/signs of income etc from the internet coupled with the scammers behind the scheme having changed the name of their company (whilst pretending it was a different, unrelated one) and removing all mention of BannersBroker from their website looks decidedly iffy to me.

Originally Posted by Theseus

That argument would stand up to scrutiny if they had done so from day 1. The fact that there has been a concerted effort to remove all branding/signs of income etc from the internet coupled with the scammers behind the scheme having changed the name of their company (whilst pretending it was a different, unrelated one) and removing all mention of BannersBroker from their website looks decidedly iffy to me.

Based purely on HYIP ponzi history, that would me my reading of the current situation as well.

Originally Posted by Theseus

That argument would stand up to scrutiny if they had done so from day 1. The fact that there has been a concerted effort to remove all branding/signs of income etc from the internet coupled with the scammers behind the scheme having changed the name of their company (whilst pretending it was a different, unrelated one) and removing all mention of BannersBroker from their website looks decidedly iffy to me.

Yes, I didn't mean to dispute that. Just that corporate compliance occurs, and it actually isn't unusual for start-ups to take so long to 'manicure' their image. You'd be surprised how many companies have no image control until it becomes an issue - and I speak from a fair bit of experience in this area.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Yes, I didn't mean to dispute that. Just that corporate compliance occurs, and it actually isn't unusual for start-ups to take so long to 'manicure' their image. You'd be surprised how many companies have no image control until it becomes an issue - and I speak from a fair bit of experience in this area.

I understand what you mean, but this isn't "manicuring", this is a wholesale attempt to remove the BB name from the web. Remember too that any affiliates who transgress run the risk of having their accounts locked/balances seized. If they really tried I'm sure BB could now find reasons to seize the accounts of pretty much every affiliate who has a website or Youtube channel promoting the scheme.

Let's set aside any discussion about the Banners Brokers' "Terms of Service"

Banners Broker is an illegal enterprise.

Any "Terms of Service" are null and void.

AdSurf Daily had a "Terms of Service"

Zeek Rewards had a "Terms of Service"

EVERY HYIP ponzi has a "Terms of Service"

HYIP ponzi "Terms OF Service" are designed for one thing and one thing only.

That is to frighten off people who have no idea about the reality of the law/s and keep victims in line.

Can someone from BB tell us what legal firm are representing the scheme? This is not a trick question.

And, while you're at it, can you please ask them what we need to do to get on their mailing list ???

We're feeling terribly miffed here.

Have we not been libelous enough ??

Do we have to try even harder ???

How much more deliberate provocation does Banners Broker and/or its' "independent representatives" need before they set their "crack legal team" loose on us ???

Have the subpoenas and summonses been sent out and we've been overlooked ??

A simple clerical error has occurred, perhaps ??

Perhaps one of the Banners Broker spokespersons would like to point us to where we can see an example of what we can expect.

You know, like a single, solitary lawyers' letter or the date of a court hearing, that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by noname999

Can someone from BB tell us what legal firm are representing the scheme? This is not a trick question.

Probably that well known internet-savvy firm of Bodgit & Skarpa

Originally Posted by okosh

Correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems to me that you are rather new at this anti-scam stuff....(??)....
If it is then it explains your position on treating BB as if it were a business....

For those like me, Littleroundman, whip and a whole bunch of others here at realscam we find it impossible to agree with you....reason is that we have seen "banners brokers" a hundred times b4.....
All that changes from scam to scam is the program name, admins name and a few minor points like the daily %....
The rest is all the same....From 12dailypro back in 2006 to CEP to ASD to Zeek and to banners it's all the same lies....And with the same end result of lives being ruined for those who believed that the program was anything but a scam, online money game....

Hope you stick around Phil long after BB is done and dusted as you are clearly an asset to the team....
In time I believe your opinion will change and you will adopt our position of a scam is a scam is a scam and it's all just the same old, same old....

Okosh you are clearly wrong.

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

Okosh you are clearly wrong.

About ????

Originally Posted by littleroundman

What's more, just as "we" know that, so do the fraudsters themselves.

They know EXACTLY how to deal with "logic" and "facts"

It's their business and their livelihood to do so.

Put up a "fact" on a forum such as REALSCAM.com and they will change the circumstances around the "fact" within minutes.

What's more, a thousand pimps and shills spread all over the planet can be in on the "changes" within a matter of seconds and can provide apparently independent "verification" of the changes within minutes.

Zeek Rewards had over $600 million pass through their accounts, THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THUS FAR.

How much time and effort would you put in for access to even a minor chunk of an amount like that ??

This post should be read in conjunction with my last reply to Okosh. Just arguing by saying "you are wrong" is pointless. How many read the last post by me and were convinced? NONE. (BTW Okosh, sorry for being rude, especially when we basically agree on BB being a scam but have different opinions on how to make people aware. What Littleroundman is saying can be paraphrased as "don't post any facts that can be harmful to BB as they might be able to get around them" Sorry but if i come up with something harmful to the BB scam i will post it in the hope that potential victims are saved. I will not log on just to say "BB is a ponzi" as this wastes my time and others.

The practice of saying if BB is a business then why........ is a valid way of getting the argument that it is not valid. To repeat an earlier point of mine: If BB is a business, then in the UK the main people involved have been in it for some time and need to pay taxes. If they haven't then either they don't think it is a business or they are defrauding the UK taxman. So potential investor- ask to see tax returns as proof of earnings, not screenshots. Then when you see how little (if anything) they really earn then run a mile.

Of course i don't think this is the best example of this kind of argument. Try looking up "i came to bury Caeser" speech of Shakespeare. Absolute classic proving Brutus isn't honorable by repeating that he is with examples that contradict.


Anyway this has digressed from the main point enough. Feel free to shoot me down all you want, i won't reply as life is too short and i really just want to keep on the anti BB message which is helpful not on internal bantering which is not.

Sorry for wasting your time. Hope you read the next post and got the point.

@Dreamstealer:

How many people do you think are either currently members of Banners Broker or are contemplating becoming members of Banners Broker ???

Forums such as REALSCAM.com exist for the purpose of allowing as many contradictory viewpoints as possible to be posted.

There is no "ONE" way to present a message.

There are no catch all ways of presenting any message/s.

We all have different learning styles, different levels of "experience" and different comprehension abilities.

What's logical and obvious to a left brain oriented mathematician can be completely obscure and illogical to right brain oriented artist.

Let's not get into having to make other member/posters "wrong" in order to make ourselves "right"