Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Has anybody got any idea who is pimping this?


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They are claiming the following:

"I will ensure you make money by tomorrow - Thats a promise" (lie)

"You can start with a moderate amount of money...and quite simply multiply it by two" (surely breaking BB terms?)

"there is no way you can lose" (lie)


"Dont worry if you dont know what a package is or what it contains, All that will be shown to you later. But for now just buy it."


Oh, and Coca Cola logo is used

Yep,

the "Amin' mentioned on the bottom of the page is:

And, this is the "Lentrica"



Lentrica Software

Ah, some posts on Facebook crack me up!
http://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork

"Mohsin Naseer: hello admin my account has been locked and I've been trying to contact head office from last 2 weeks but no body responding me my user id is arifhs0333 please unlock my account as soon as possible thank you."

"George Dorn: Mohsin, these things don't happen by accident, BB corporate is very careful about such issues and it is very rare that they make mistakes. Have you been saying less than kind things about the company? If so you're account and all earning will have been confiscated per the terms of service. BB corporate has eyes and ears everywhere (the blind network is only blind from the outside) and if you think you can defame this company and still get paid, get lost."

"Mohsin Naseer: george dorn watch your language i haven't use any wrong word for bannersbroker i love this program and advertise this on a single site."

What a quality organisation to be a part of! Isn't this how East Germany used to operate? Maybe Raj et al used to be Stasi?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Here ya go, straight from the horses' mouth.

How to exit from Banners Broker after your 30 days "cooling off period"



See, it's as easy as "withdrawing all funds that are available"

And, if you believe THAT, then you'll believe anything

Of course the magical '30 days' just happens to be when you will no longer be able to dispute it on your credit card.

Rather interesting that all BB can do is talk about their "blind network," but in their FAQ section they never mention the words in describing what BB does, and I quote:

"What is Banners Broker?

Banners Broker is an online advertising network that manages the sourcing, publishing and performance tracking of ads that make the connection between advertisers and publishers around the world.

What does Banners Broker do?

We connect advertisers with effective ad space and publishers with the most relevant ads to market on their websites. With an extensive online network consisting of hundreds of thousands of publishers and advertisers from around the world, we help our clients increase sales and earn additional advertising revenue.

What is an online advertising network?

An online advertising network is a pool of website owners (who we refer to as publishers) and businesses who want to participate in online marketing (who we refer to as advertisers). Together, they form a powerful group of companies that connect with one another. On one side of the equation, advertisers find excellent places to advertise, and on the other, publishers find targeted ads to display on their websites.

What is a banner ad?

A banner ad is an online advertisement. It is placed on other companies' websites, and more specifically, on those that relate to the advertiser's business. Our banner ads come in several different sizes:
•Leaderboard (728x90)
•Full Banner (468x60)
•Large Rectangle (336x280)
•Medium Rectangle (300x250)
•Skyscraper (120x600)
•Wide Skyscraper (160x600)
•Square Box (250x250)
•Vertical Banner (120x240)
•Button (125x125)
•Small Rectangle (180x150)

What is an ad impression?

An ad impression is one appearance of an advertisement on a particular web page (i.e. a pageview).

Why should I advertise with Banners Broker?

As the number of worldwide Internet users continues to rise, so does the effectiveness of online advertising. Part of what makes online advertising so lucrative is the fact that, for a minimal cost compared to traditional forms of advertising, it enables you to target your campaign to specific age groups, consumer preferences and geographic regions. But, in order to execute this properly, it is critical that you find the perfect online ad space – a task that can be time consuming and overwhelming. This is where Banners Broker comes in. By advertising with us, you immediately gain access to a network of hundreds of thousands websites from around the world. Once you specify the details of your campaign, we place your advertisements on highly relevant sites that perfectly match your criteria."

The words "blind network" do not appear in What is Banners Broker, What does Banners Broker do, or Why I should advertise with Banners Broker. Guess you could say their FAQ is not telling the truth about what, who and why Banners Broker is about.

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

It was always talked about as an option but there have, as far as I am aware, never been any test cases.

My usual comment to this was what if you wanted to sell your 'business' i.e. you have an almost guaranteed value of recurring income. If I wanted to get some quick cash I should be able to easily sell my business to someone else. This is how I would with any other business.

There is no clear provision to do this within Banners Broker, despite what they say. It would seem this is even harder now you cannot sell panels separately.

Um, but you are looking at this like it is a real business. It's not. It's a scam.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Yep,

the "Amin' mentioned on the bottom of the page is:

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hosted by the same company

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as is

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From what I can gather he is a 20-something self-styled financial guru....

Originally Posted by Whip

Um, but you are looking at this like it is a real business. It's not. It's a scam.

To be honest it is this kind of comment that annoys me here sometimes. It may be straightforward and to the point but adds absolutely nothing to the issue.

I believe Banners Broker is a scam as much as you do; however, when commenting I feel it more appropriate to treat it as if it is were genuine business. That way you can debunk the factors that assumption is based on.

Look who has come out of the woodwork:

Come and see our New office In Canada........................

OPPORTUNITY SEMINAR
Whitby
Opportunity Seminar
December 11
Starts At 7:30pm
Raj Dixit Will Be Presenting
Chris Smith Will Be In Attendance
Come See The New Offices Of Stellar Point Inc.

The Canadian Support Center For Banners Broker
5, Carlow Court
Whitby, ON
L1N 9T7

Opportunity Seminar
December 10
Starts At 7:30pm
Holiday Inn Vancouver-Metro Town Burnaby
4405 Central BLVD
Burnaby, BC V5H 4M3
Salon E
With Lorenzo Guarini, VP Of International Brand Ambassadors
And Kurt Kornelsen, National Sales And Marketing Manager
Phone: 1-604-438-1881
--------------------------------

Kurt was involved with BB
Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com

and prior to that in ICF with Rajiv
ICF-World homes... Scam? (2nd thread) - WORLD Law Direct Forums

The problem here is, Phil, treating a HYIP ponzi like a "real" business is playing into the hands of the professional criminals behind them.

They are not "real" in any sense of the word AND, more importantly, they can make them look like "real" businesses in such a way they can't be "proven" to be frauds without being "inside" with access to the "real" accounts.

They lie, they deceive, they forge.

They are not bound by the rules of "logic" or "evidence" or "proof"

Their "story" can change in an instant.

Prove they're "wrong" and all they have to do is change the "facts" to suit themselves.

Think about it.

Zeek Rewards was "real" enough to get over a MILLION people to "join"

All the "facts" in the world made no difference whatsoever to over a MILLION people.

That's something I learned long, long ago.

It simply doesn't matter what "littleroundman" thinks or anyone on REALSCAM.com thinks or believes.

It's of no consequence how logical or illogical HYIP ponzi scams may be TO ME.

I'll say again, at the risk of being more boring and longwinded than usual.

Anyone left at this end of a long running HYIP ponzi scam is impervious to "facts" or "logic"

They have been pre qualified and trained to behave EXACTLY as the people behind Banners Broker want.

They're simply "playing" the HYIP, they are shills or they are "true believers"

NONE of what's happening is by accident, NONE OF IT.

On top of which, there's not a damned thing any of them can do about it, even if they wanted to.

Their money has been "trapped" in Banners Broker for months.

Forget about what you see on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums.

The reality of it is, Banners Broker knows EXACTLY who it needs to selectively pay, and has been doing it for months.

IM(very)HO, based on years of watching the HYIP ponzi "scene" the only way to deal with HYIPs is to treat EVERYTHING about them as being untrue, because anything that IS true is of little or no consequence and included only to satisfy those conducting what passes as being the 'net version of "due diligence"

For example, the recently jailed HYIP ponzi fraudsters' name WAS Andy Bowdoin and his business WAS in Quincy, Florida.

The only problem is, he gave the AdSurf Daily address as being 13S Calhoun St, Quincy, when, in fact, the buildings' previous owner (and Bowdoins' wife) had 12 years earlier listed the buildings' address as being 11S Calhoun St, Quincy

In their original complaint, Federal prosecutors said the 13 S. Calhoun Street address listed for ASD was bogus.

The point being, there IS a building in Calhoun St which housed ASD, the pictures supplied on behalf of AdSurf Daily WERE genuine.

A minor detail, perhaps, except if you were trying to have court documents from another state or country served.

There is only one unbreakable rule when dealing with HYIPs.

Believe NOTHING they say.

Anyone who believed the evidence "of their own eyes" and believed ANYTHING to do with Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily was in for a rude surprise at just how far and how devious HYIP ponzi fraudsters are prepared to go to "fool' their victims.

Actually i agree with Phil. The only way to sensibly argue against something is to show instances where it doesn't act like it is purporting to be. So saying "the earth isn't a flat lozenge because people can fly around it and have seen it from space" is proving it is not a lozenge not giving credence to the fact that it is a lozenge. If we don't say "if BB was a business they would do this..." then all we are doing is screaming BB is a ponzi but not giving any reasons.

At least by going the first route any potential victims sorry investors in BB would get a chance to see a counterargument.

That said BB is a ponzi.

"If God existed there wouldn't be any suffering in the world."
"God doesn't exist"

Look at the above statements - which sounds like the better argument?

Jason

Also, I'm happy about my blog's ranking in Google - even though it does need my name in it too!

Let me google that for you

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The problem here is, Phil, treating a HYIP ponzi like a "real" business is playing into the hands of the professional criminals behind them.

They are not "real" in any sense of the word AND, more importantly, they can make them look like "real" businesses in such a way they can't be "proven" to be frauds without being "inside" with access to the "real" accounts.

They lie, they deceive, they forge.

They are not bound by the rules of "logic" or "evidence" or "proof"

Their "story" can change in an instant.

Prove they're "wrong" and all they have to do is change the "facts" to suit themselves.

Think about it.

Zeek Rewards was "real" enough to get over a MILLION people to "join"

All the "facts" in the world made no difference whatsoever to over a MILLION people.

That's something I learned long, long ago.

It simply doesn't matter what "littleroundman" thinks or anyone on REALSCAM.com thinks or believes.

It's of no consequence how logical or illogical HYIP ponzi scams may be TO ME.

I'll say again, at the risk of being more boring and longwinded than usual.

Anyone left at this end of a long running HYIP ponzi scam is impervious to "facts" or "logic"

They have been pre qualified and trained to behave EXACTLY as the people behind Banners Broker want.

They're simply "playing" the HYIP, they are shills or they are "true believers"

NONE of what's happening is by accident, NONE OF IT.

On top of which, there's not a damned thing any of them can do about it, even if they wanted to.

Their money has been "trapped" in Banners Broker for months.

Forget about what you see on the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums.

The reality of it is, Banners Broker knows EXACTLY who it needs to selectively pay, and has been doing it for months.

IM(very)HO, based on years of watching the HYIP ponzi "scene" the only way to deal with HYIPs is to treat EVERYTHING about them as being untrue, because anything that IS true is of little or no consequence and included only to satisfy those conducting what passes as being the 'net version of "due diligence"

For example, the recently jailed HYIP ponzi fraudsters' name WAS Andy Bowdoin and his business WAS in Quincy, Florida.

The only problem is, he gave the AdSurf Daily address as being 13S Calhoun St, Quincy, when, in fact, the buildings' previous owner (and Bowdoins' wife) had 12 years earlier listed the buildings' address as being 11S Calhoun St, Quincy

In their original complaint, Federal prosecutors said the 13 S. Calhoun Street address listed for ASD was bogus.

The point being, there IS a building in Calhoun St which housed ASD, the pictures supplied on behalf of AdSurf Daily WERE genuine.

A minor detail, perhaps, except if you were trying to have court documents from another state or country served.

There is only one unbreakable rule when dealing with HYIPs.

Believe NOTHING they say.

Anyone who believed the evidence "of their own eyes" and believed ANYTHING to do with Andy Bowdoin and AdSurf Daily was in for a rude surprise at just how far and how devious HYIP ponzi fraudsters are prepared to go to "fool' their victims.

The point I am making is as Dreamstealer has stated.

The question was asked about BB willable assets. I therefore answered what I knew to the be case according to my understanding. Had I answered - 'it can't be willable or it doesn't matter, it is a scam' that would have been an absolutely pointless response.

Good point Jason,
and not to mention "God helps those who helps themselves".....

Originally Posted by Poyol

"If God existed there wouldn't be any suffering in the world."
"God doesn't exist"

Look at the above statements - which sounds like the better argument?

Jason

Originally Posted by Hypanor

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

Kurt Kornelsen was involved with the ICF World Homes 'business' alongside Raj.

www.LocateFamily.com - Locate the Kurt E Kornelsen family in St Catharines Ontario Canada L2N 4A3

If something is offered and jet you can not have it or consummate in any sense,what is it?Why all the farce?Imagine someone opens book shop called "Publishers & Advertisers" but nobody buys the books offered there because they are to expencive and have no value or whatever.And jet the shop makes million $ transactions monthly.Is it just a farce or is highly forbidden activity by the law?Bak to BB.
The fact is that there are no advertisers nor publishers using BB service in last 2 years - and those few who used it are.let's be polite and say,not happy about it.So if the company whose only business is advertising is not attracting buyers, users at all,still makes a fortune monthly then THIS FACT should be and must be the biggest proof of BB false presentation and to my opinion,more then enough the law get need to investigate them

Originally Posted by Hypanor

So back on topic, was Kul Julson, who parted ways with Banners Broker, Kurt Kornelsen?
This was before my BB researching, and relevant videos / links have been removed, but it appears he was one and the same.

All I can find was that Kurt was at one time a director alongside Raj.

Why is he re-appearing on the scene now?

Guess they need all the staff they can get with the surge of business that has recently arrived? Interesting question you pose though.

Has anyone any further information about the mystery investor of the 8 million/gazillion panels? Not sure he'll be too chuffed when he finds he can't withdraw the money to his wonderful BB card. Not even a gold or platinum one either.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

Guess they need all the staff they can get with the surge of business that has recently arrived? Interesting question you pose though.

Has anyone any further information about the mystery investor of the 8 million/gazillion panels? Not sure he'll be too chuffed when he finds he can't withdraw the money to his wonderful BB card. Not even a gold or platinum one either.

Sheikh something-or-other.

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

Sheikh something-or-other.

Jason

Yes - that's the one! All gone very quiet on that point hasn't it?

Just picked this little gem up on the BB Network on Facebook in response to the new rule on transferring panels:

Lucky Butt "free accounts means if they dont buy any package and just working as money laundering"
9 hours ago · Like

Never a truer word.....??

Make of this what you will....

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Originally Posted by activeone

Good point Jason,
and not to mention "God helps those who helps themselves".....

Now does that one come before or after You shall not steal?

And on talkgold - have a look at #1395 which was posted this week.

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