Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

I think thats an old address Theseus, they claim the current address is 5 Carlow Court Whitby
Or maybe your picture is the 15000sqm building they have bought!

But thanks to your post, I found this address on this website:

Australia Office
officebroker.com – Asia Pacific
Suite F5
45 Northside Drive
Hillarys
Perth
WA 6025
Tel: +61 (0) 8 9203 9671
Email: head.office@officebroker.com

Think I might jump on the treadly (bike) tonight, go for a ride past and see what name is hanging on the door...

Another interesting little point (courtesy of Dave Osman's wife )

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This is the key phrase

All Banners Broker products constitute a retail purchase and are subject to any applicable regional taxes

A retail purchase? Isn't this meant to be a "business opportunity"?

A question for Phil/any other accountants then..

I realise that there was a point where BB UK (and BB IE) displayed VAT numbers but if purchases made from BB UK (or other EU-based resellers) are retail sales, shouldn't they be liable to VAT at the prevailing rate?

Does anyone know if they really did apply for genuine UK or IE VAT registration?

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Originally Posted by Hypanor

I think thats an old address Theseus, they claim the current address is 5 Carlow Court Whitby
Or maybe your picture is the 15000sqm building they have bought!

But thanks to your post, I found this address on this website:

Australia Office
officebroker.com – Asia Pacific
Suite F5
45 Northside Drive
Hillarys
Perth
WA 6025
Tel: +61 (0) 8 9203 9671
Email: head.office@officebroker.com

Think I might jump on the treadly (bike) tonight, go for a ride past and see what name is hanging on the door...

The picture is of 5 Carlow Ct, the other address is from adverts that have been placed recently on jobsites, so it's either an "office" or the home address of someone closely linked to BB HQ...

As far as your Aussie one goes, the address belongs to, as it says, officebroker.com

These are the addresses given here for BB in various countries

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Originally Posted by Theseus

As far as your Aussie one goes, the address belongs to, as it says, officebroker.com

Yes, looks like a generic sort of office space broker. I'm curious to see what business has their slate hanging over the door of Suite F5. I know the building quite well, its next to a very popular marina.

This is how Stellar Point Inc (formerly Bannersbroker Ltd) now describe themselves....

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A "contemporary Toronto based media company" ?


No banners then?

No brokering going on?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Another interesting little point (courtesy of Dave Osman's wife )

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This is the key phrase



A retail purchase? Isn't this meant to be a "business opportunity"?

A question for Phil/any other accountants then..

I realise that there was a point where BB UK (and BB IE) displayed VAT numbers but if purchases made from BB UK (or other EU-based resellers) are retail sales, shouldn't they be liable to VAT at the prevailing rate?

Does anyone know if they really did apply for genuine UK or IE VAT registration?

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The Vat issue is one that no one particularly cleared up. One day it was vatable the next it wasn't.

Essentially it comes down to where you are buying and selling. Because the alleged product is from Canada no vat became due. However, one thing that seemed to keep happening for me was that the invoices for purchases came from Banners Broker UK ltd. Couldn't tell you if that is correct now.

One thing I kept questioning during the VAT regime was that of tax on our sales. I am vat registered and therefore needed to declare this on my sales (capped panels) bb had no provision to cope with or understand this concept.

I also tried to get the Vat had paid back when it was deemed it was not vatable.

I also asked for a copy of the vat ruling in order to use in case of inspection.

The good old TalkingBS forum deemed my questioning of it as negative and I should just accept that no VAT was a good thing!

If this is their UK company, here is their VAT information:

BANNERSBROKER UK LTD.
BOTANICAL HOUSE
15 GUYS CLIFFE ROAD
LEAMINGTON SPA
WARWICKSHIRE
CV32 5BZ
Company No. 07780124

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 20/09/2011

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
None Supplied

Accounting Reference Date: 30/09
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 20/06/2013
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 18/10/2012 OVERDUE

Previous Names: ONLINEINCOME LIMITED Date of change: 07/12/2011

The problem with BB is that you never know what they are going to claim next. The 1019 Nelson Street Address was on their website as the headquarters of BB. Raj even confirmed this in a post he made on a forum when someone was questioning the address.

Then when I posted the link of a picture of the 1019 Nelson Street address, the shills and pimps claimed this was not their corporate headquarters address but they gave a different address. Now what was really interesting is that the 1019 Nelson Street address was still shown on their website while they were claiming it was not their headquarters building. The UK office and the Irleand office were also shown on the website at one address, but when information was posted about the addresses, they claimed they were actually in a different location.

Now they claim this is their new Corporate address: Stellar Point Inc., 5 Carlow Court, Whitby, ON L1N9T7, and is what is shown on the website. Now what is really weird is that this is a factory/wharehouse type of building, not what you would expect a multi-million dollar advertising company would have as their corporate headquarters. You think it would be in a glass high-rise in the center of Ontario.

You can bet as soon as the pictures of this 5 Carlow Ct address is posted, they will be screaming and hollering this is not the headquarters building.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

If this is their UK company, here is their VAT information:

BANNERSBROKER UK LTD.
BOTANICAL HOUSE
15 GUYS CLIFFE ROAD
LEAMINGTON SPA
WARWICKSHIRE
CV32 5BZ
Company No. 07780124

Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 20/09/2011

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
None Supplied

Accounting Reference Date: 30/09
Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)
Next Accounts Due: 20/06/2013
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 18/10/2012 OVERDUE

Previous Names: ONLINEINCOME LIMITED Date of change: 07/12/2011

The problem with BB is that you never know what they are going to claim next. The 1019 Nelson Street Address was on their website as the headquarters of BB. Raj even confirmed this in a post he made on a forum when someone was questioning the address.

Then when I posted the link of a picture of the 1019 Nelson Street address, the shills and pimps claimed this was not their corporate headquarters address but they gave a different address. Now what was really interesting is that the 1019 Nelson Street address was still shown on their website while they were claiming it was not their headquarters building. The UK office and the Irleand office were also shown on the website at one address, but when information was posted about the addresses, they claimed they were actually in a different location.

Now they claim this is their new Corporate address: Stellar Point Inc., 5 Carlow Court, Whitby, ON L1N9T7, and is what is shown on the website. Now what is really weird is that this is a factory/wharehouse type of building, not what you would expect a multi-million dollar advertising company would have as their corporate headquarters. You think it would be in a glass high-rise in the center of Ontario.

You can bet as soon as the pictures of this 5 Carlow Ct address is posted, they will be screaming and hollering this is not the headquarters building.

With regard to the UK operation, from what I recall they posted a VAT number, which was then brought into question at the time by several people as it didn't appear to exist. The one listed by McCarthy for his company, and displayed on the BB website, doesn't exist either.

Originally Posted by Theseus

With regard to the UK operation, from what I recall they posted a VAT number, which was then brought into question at the time by several people as it didn't appear to exist. The one listed by McCarthy for his company, and displayed on the BB website, doesn't exist either.

Completely correct - I have checked both VAT numbers and they are invalid.

Jason

Sorry to dispute the other way but the VAT numbers were valid at the time but are not valid now as they de-registered.

Edit - UK certainly this is the case

Something is missing here, can you tell what it is?

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Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

Sorry to dispute the other way but the VAT numbers were valid at the time but are not valid now as they de-registered.

Edit - UK certainly this is the case

Yeah, you said that, McCarthy is still displaying an (invalid) VAT number though

Screenshots taken a few minutes ago

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This struck me on one of the Facebook groups and I think has already been linked to here

Fact 5: BB refuses to work with out as an advertiser, if you contact them with an offer to buy a large block of advertising. Again, several of us have tried this and BB is completely unequipped to handle the request.

You can become a advertiser at Banners Broker, just register as an affiliate and purchase impressions and start campaigns. Have you tried to send an email to Google telling them you have a banner you want to place? They will just tell you to follow their procedures and register at their website through the AdWords program.

If I were a high value advertiser why would I log in as an affiliate to place my ads? I would want some decent reassurances on where abouts the ad would be placed (I would not necessarily expect to ever see my own ad!) Also I would expect much better reporting and functionality than the ad-pub combo comprises. Surely a decent advertiser would expect a better service as these are meant to be the people bringing in the top dollars.

Guys,

I'm thinking (it's hurting!) if BannersBroker UK LTD are the UK Resellers of Banners Broker International assets to people in the UK - wouldn't I write a letter to BB UK to get my money back?
I know if I just write a letter it'll be filed under bin - but say if a friend of mine who's a solicitor wrote one ... would that be the way to go?

I think it is - just after clarification - as I'm sure other people reading this thread would like to know.

Jason

Looks like they've found a new way to fleece people...

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Originally Posted by Poyol

Guys,

I'm thinking (it's hurting!) if BannersBroker UK LTD are the UK Resellers of Banners Broker International assets to people in the UK - wouldn't I write a letter to BB UK to get my money back?
I know if I just write a letter it'll be filed under bin - but say if a friend of mine who's a solicitor wrote one ... would that be the way to go?

I think it is - just after clarification - as I'm sure other people reading this thread would like to know.

Jason

Who is/was your contract with, BB UK, BB (Belize) or BB/Stellar Point ?

Membership Agreement. I hereby submit my application to Banners Broker (parent company) to become an independent affiliate engaged in the marketing of the company’s products. I hereby acknowledge and declare that I have read and fully agree with Banners Broker Terms and Conditions, Policies and Procedures as herein spelled out.

I guess it's Banners Broker International then - strange that it doesn't give the full name of the company though.

Jason

Originally Posted by Theseus

Who is/was your contract with, BB UK, BB (Belize) or BB/Stellar Point ?

That was the problem I had - if was difficult to identify. The contract refers to BB International; however, element are dealt with by BBUK etc.

In the end I just decided to cut my losses as I could waste time and money chasing it and still lose. General consensus from legal people is that the terms and conditions are unlawful but they do make it difficult to claim back. Had I put in a few Thousand then it may have been worth it.

I am not actually sure what the roles of BBUK Ltd, Adverts Galore Ltd etc. actually are.


It would be good to get an answer from one of the BB people as to the question of contract and who it is actually with.

The detailed information for Adverts Galore Limited https://www.duedil.com/company/08083...galore-limited

Banners Broker UK LTd https://www.duedil.com/company/07780...sbroker-uk-ltd

Ian Driscoll - https://www.duedil.com/director/908183942/ian-driscoll

Lesley Sequeira - https://www.duedil.com/director/9163...esley-sequeira

The T&Cs are unlawful.

If I put in the T&Cs of my website:

1. If you portray Jasonaclark.com in a bad light I will come around to your house and steal your first born son.

It doesn't protect me from the charge of kidnapping - nor does Banners Broker's T&Cs protect them from the charge of theft.

Jason

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

That was the problem I had - if was difficult to identify. The contract refers to BB International; however, element are dealt with by BBUK etc.

In the end I just decided to cut my losses as I could waste time and money chasing it and still lose. General consensus from legal people is that the terms and conditions are unlawful but they do make it difficult to claim back. Had I put in a few Thousand then it may have been worth it.

I am not actually sure what the roles of BBUK Ltd, Adverts Galore Ltd etc. actually are.


It would be good to get an answer from one of the BB people as to the question of contract and who it is actually with.

I get the feeling the contract will be with the "company" in Belize, everyone else is, in effect, sub-contracting. That way they can put their hands up and say they've been caught like everyone else when it crashes.

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I was looking around Banners Broker back office and saw the times which live chat is available for UK members.
Convenient, eh?

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

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I was looking around Banners Broker back office and saw the times which live chat is available for UK members.
Convenient, eh?

Jason

That'll save you $5 then

Nice garden they have there ( the last one ).....I bet they play football while phones are ringing...hm...all this circus with addresses and heavy contadictions show how obscure is the inside of BB .....and all this in front of 250 000 souls..what a immature & profane army...all together is so rotten - decadency pure...so rotten that collapse is inevitable

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Definition for organic traffic:

Visitors who come to your Website from unpaid organic or natural search engine results.

Hm, something doesn't seem right here.

Jason