Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Published on Nov 10, 2012 by Roger Stockburger

Roger Stockburner promotes Banners Broker on YouTube

Just in case Mr Stockburger makes good on his threat and someone is on the receiving end of some "legal action for slander and defamation"

perhaps it might be time to educate readers exactly it is with whom they're dealing:



Roger Stockburgers' page on LinkedIn



Roger Stockburgers' activerog page on Facebook

Playing HYIP ponzis is one thing, publishing implied threats and misleading others with regard to the law is quite another.

Then it ceases be playing "HYIP games" and becomes down right, inexcusable fraud.

Originally Posted by okosh

Because here in Australia it is a crime to participate or to promote a ponzi scheme.....

Concerned citizens should report such promotion to the Australian Federal Police......
For those here in Aus....Dial 131-AFP(131 237) or Ph: (07) 3222 1222......

Online you use this form.....
https://forms.afp.gov.au/online_forms/report_a_crime

One person doing one complaint does nothing.....A lot of people means a lot of complaints.....
So PILE ON....

Which would explain...


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"Not entirely convinced"? That's an odd phrase to use, particularly if you've "done considerable due diligence", unless of course you know you'd be committing an offence by admitting it's all a scam.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Just in case Mr Stockburger makes good on his threat and someone is on the receiving end of some "legal action for slander and defamation"

perhaps it might be time to educate readers exactly it is with whom they're dealing:



Roger Stockburgers' page on LinkedIn



Roger Stockburgers' activerog page on Facebook

Playing HYIP ponzis is one thing, publishing implied threats and misleading others with regard to the law is quite another.

Then it ceases be playing "HYIP games" and becomes down right, inexcusable fraud.

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12 years to do a C&G course? This is one smart fella

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Just in case Mr Stockburger makes good on his threat and someone is on the receiving end of some "legal action for slander and defamation"

perhaps it might be time to educate readers exactly it is with whom they're dealing:

If Roger Stockburger wants to take legal action against ANYONE here at realscam then I challenge him to start with me....

If Roger wants my full name and address so that he can serve me legal papers he need only come here and ask.....

I dare him.....No I double dare him to take action against me....

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You may not have "recruited a single person", Roger, but you still have, regardless of how poorly, been attempting to do so, and here's the proof....

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I'd also have to question why you'd go to the bother of uploading all those BB recruiting videos to Youtube if you weren't trying to earn out of it.

But wait, you must be telling the truth....

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Sorry I doubted you

Originally Posted by okosh

Because here in Australia it is a crime to participate or to promote a ponzi scheme.....

Concerned citizens should report such promotion to the Australian Federal Police......
For those here in Aus....Dial 131-AFP(131 237) or Ph: (07) 3222 1222......

Online you use this form.....
https://forms.afp.gov.au/online_forms/report_a_crime

One person doing one complaint does nothing.....A lot of people means a lot of complaints.....
So PILE ON....

Just to clarify - the AFP will not act on this as it is not classed as a Commonwealth crime. Any complaints should be made to Scamwatch, who will call upon the resources of the AFP if necessary.
https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content.../itemId/694011

You do not necessarily need to be a 'victim' to make a complaint.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Just in case Mr Stockburger makes good on his threat and someone is on the receiving end of some "legal action for slander and defamation"

perhaps it might be time to educate readers exactly it is with whom they're dealing:

I get lost sometimes with all the links and info I've gathered on the Australian arm of BB - can you point me to where these threats are made please?

Originally Posted by Theseus

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But wait, you must be telling the truth....

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Sorry I doubted you

Roger's probable motto: "It's sincerity that sells. Learn to fake that and you've cracked it."

Originally Posted by okosh

If Roger Stockburger wants to take legal action against ANYONE here at realscam then I challenge him to start with me....

If Roger wants my full name and address so that he can serve me legal papers he need only come here and ask.....

I dare him.....No I double dare him to take action against me....

Hey,

respect your elders and get back in line, please.

If ANYONE is gonna be summonsed, I reserve first dibs.

Originally Posted by Hypanor

I get lost sometimes with all the links and info I've gathered on the Australian arm of BB - can you point me to where these threats are made please?

Here ya go, post #3119 from a few pages back on this thread:

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe





Roger Stockburger ... it was only a matter of time before some tabloid paper or magazine ran with it and jumped on the bandwagon, only difference is unlike the morons on realcam.com, the Sunday World that ran this article exposes itself to legal action for slander and defamation. Something the cowards with big mouths on websites don't have to bother with, as none reveal their actual mailing addresses and phone numbers on their bullshitting sites for lawyers to send cease-and-desist notices to.


I'm sure the Sunday World guys are shaking in their boots
The only people who need to cease-and-desist are you and the Banners Broker Brigade of scammers.
That day Roger Babe is drawing ever closer.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Hey,

respect your elders and get back in line, please.

If ANYONE is gonna be summonsed, I reserve first dibs.

But I posted first.....So that makes me first in line.....

Since I'm such a nice guy I'm happy to share with you the papers that will never come

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Here ya go,

Thanks. He must have deleted it as its not on his facebook that I can see.

Originally Posted by okosh

But I posted first.....So that makes me first in line.....

Since I'm such a nice guy I'm happy to share with you the papers that will never come

I think you and LRM should get in line. Since I live the closest to their headquarters, I should have the honors of being the first one they sue. But since I am such a nice guy, I'll let you both be a part of my defense team. How about it?

Originally Posted by Hypanor

Thanks. He must have deleted it as its not on his facebook that I can see.

Or he **** his pants when I double dared him

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I think you and LRM should get in line. Since I live the closest to their headquarters, I should have the honors of being the first one they sue. But since I am such a nice guy, I'll let you both be a part of my defense team. How about it?

Indian giver,

You just KNOW there's not going to be a letter, a summons, a subpoena OR a defense team, don't you ??

In fact, it's far more likely Mr Stockburger will be waaaaaaaay too busy explaining what's happened to this multi million dollar "international advertising platform" and the members' money to his "downline" to be in the least concerned with taking any form of "action" against any forum or news organization.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Indian giver,

You just KNOW there's not going to be a letter, a summons, a subpoena OR a defense team, don't you ??

In fact, it's far more likely Mr Stockburger will be waaaaaaaay too busy explaining what's happened to this multi million dollar "international advertising platform" and the members' money to his "downline" to be in the least concerned with taking any form of "action" against any forum or news organization.

Of course, but it sure is fun to dream though.

I think he is more angry on the fact that he can not undertake anything (and he would loooooove to) then on us bringing the facts about his work

I've had two threats of legal action and no letters.

Jason

A little off message, but listening to my itunes just now and a track came on that just seemed so appropriate for the next audience of the Banners Broker World Tour - a little ditty called "Can I play with madness" by my old rock heroes Dickinson/Smith/Harris (AKA Iron Maiden). They obviously had the foresight to see Banners Broker coming 14 years ago...

Can I play with madness - the prophet stared at his crystal ball
Can I play with madness - there's no vision there at all
Can I play with madness - the prophet looked and he laughed at me
Can I play with madness - he said you're blind too blind to see

Originally Posted by Poyol

I've had two threats of legal action and no letters.

Jason

I'll send you one if you like, no need to wait for someone else to make one up. Some questions though:

On a nice letterhead, or something tacky?
With or without spelling and grammatical errors?
From a lawyer, or just a company?

Banners Broker Australia
51 minutes ago.

Attention!
This is a private information sharing page within BB network. No negative wording acceptable. If anyone thinks that this opportunity is not suitable for you, please leave the page. Remember, this is a private page for BB members and our prospects only!!

Darn it, they've finally gotten around to cleaning up their page and deleting all the nasty comments that were on there. Now its just Roger talking to himself!

Originally Posted by Banners Broker Australia

Remember, this is a private page for BB members and our prospects only!!

Some things Mr Banners Broker Australia needs to remember:

* This is the internet in 2012. There is no "private" on Facebook, unless you make it so.

* If we can read it, who else can read it ???

* Banners Broker ceased being "under the radar" long ago.

On Facebook right now! From BB Australia page!! Fair dinkum :)

"For anyone who has attended recent meetings, it has been said that the practice of selling panels to new beginners in BB for cash is a good way to conduct your business. I want to make it perfectly clear that this practise is not approved by the company and if anyone caught doing so is in breach of losing their account if found guilty of wholesaling panels. Please be warned and as we don't want people losing access to their account based on a recommendation"

How to make friends and influence people - not

Wow, this one has all the answers!
http://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork


Angela Juanita Delorme Fact 1: As stated many times, nobody can find the ads. Other than a few token (quite silly) ads run by them directly, there is no “footprint” of BB advertising on the internet.

If you know what the blind network means, and how it works, you would not have said this. Of course you can’t see ads in the blind network, they are rotating and switching as they fits your profile. Did you ever advertise with Google Adwords? Where does Google place these ads besides their own website. Where can you find your ad? It’s on one of the million websites Google has space on.

Fact 2: The program was announced in 2010 as a “Straightline Doubler Cycler”, and was exclusively announced on HYIP/MLM websites. If you don’t know what “doubler cycler” means, research it.

Who made the announcements, was it Banners Broker themselves or were these the affiliates now cancelled because of this? They indeed used some of these terms on Twitter, but isn’t a company allowed to change the way they express their business?

Fact 3: The guys who started BB or who are now the leaders of it have zero credentials or history in the advertising business. They do, however, have a long history in MLM / Pyramid schemes.

Why should they have a history in advertisement? They are a BROKER, not an advertiser or publisher. It was only Rajiv who accidentally worked in such a company before that decided to stop their activities. Does it make all the employees crooks.

Fact 4: BB refuses to work with you as a publisher, if you contact them with an offer to put traffic out on a well-positioned, high-traffic website. Several of us have tried this and were not able to even talk to anyone.

You can become a publisher at Banners Broker, just register as an affiliate and register your website as a publisher website. Have you tried to send an email to Google telling them you have a publisher site with loads of traffic? They will just tell you to follow their procedures and register at their website through the AdSense program.

Fact 5: BB refuses to work with out as an advertiser, if you contact them with an offer to buy a large block of advertising. Again, several of us have tried this and BB is completely unequipped to handle the request.

You can become a advertiser at Banners Broker, just register as an affiliate and purchase impressions and start campaigns. Have you tried to send an email to Google telling them you have a banner you want to place? They will just tell you to follow their procedures and register at their website through the AdWords program.

Fact 6: There is no organic traffic. BB offers the “choice network” to members, with no disclaimer whatsoever about it being in “test mode” — and Jamie Waters himself demonstrates how to make money from using the “choice network”. However, when pressed on the complete lack of utility or credibility regarding this network, people quickly say “it is in test mode”. This is not disclosed to any members via the dashboard, back office or on the BB website, anywhere.

The choice network has been implemented for a specific reason. At the moment these sites are building the traffic in order to be launched within their own blind network. In online advertising it’s all about traffic/impressions (or clicks when you do the business with the CPC model). At the moment these sites are developed with proper content. I do agree their communication can be a lot better. But hey, they just hired 23 new employees, i think that will be solved very soon

Fact 7: No businessmen (or women) in a free market economy would “discover” a business model as elegant as BB claims to be — and turn it over to anyone willing to sign up for a free membership. There are (supposedly) millions of dollars in cash flow at play here, with margins that would make the executives at Google salivate – yet the patrons who started BB decided to give it all away to the rest of us.

They are not giving anything away. In fact, we affiliates are the business model. We are the ones giving the traffic. It’s all about building a database, a network of users. Pay them well, and they will be loyal. How come we may use FaceBook for free? Because we are giving them the traffic and profile info they are selling their customers. The more traffic, the more money the advertisers will pay you.

Fact 8: BB claims to be in business with Clicksor, yet Clicksor has nowhere near the capacity to even begin to touch the advertising flow-through that BB claims to be driving. You can call Clicksor yourself (as I did) and confirm this.

BB never made any claim about Clicksor or any advertising network they are involved with. Some affiliates have said they assumed it might be Clicksor.

Fact 9: BB is not known to any of the outside advertising reporting agencies who spend 24 hours a day tracking and reporting on the online advertising business. You can call ComScore yourself (as I did) and confirm this.

Banners Broker just started 2 years ago with this business model . When you wait another 2 years they will be a big name in this industry. Then Banners Broker is a broker as their name states, they don’t own the advertising space nor do they have the advertisers. Just like a real estate broker doesn’t own the houses they sell. They place bids on advertising space and send traffic.

Fact 10: The leaders of BB never attend, present a topic at or even have a presence (like a simple information booth) at any of the big advertising conferences. This is beyond unusual for a “breakthrough” business such as BB.

Again, they are a Broker. They are only operating for 2 years now. Growing very very fast. So i can imagine their priority is not at going to conferences.

Do you know Google start in a garage, and placed their first ad 2 years after they start? They first built up their network, and made sure they had enough traffic on their search engine.

BB is growing that fast, they recently moved into their new 150.000 square feet office, are offering a 24 hour support daily, and hired 23 new employees. And you are very welcome to visite them!

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