Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Theseus

Yeah, public hangings always used to draw the crowds....

Whether or which, this could be a very effective way of making through the trouble month of December. But we always knew the brains behind this were sharp.

@Le-simpson: hope you didn't miss my post earlier. Would you be interested in providing a detailed explanation?

Their Master speaks

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Originally Posted by Jerrygo

A friend is coming over tomorrow. His dad is into this for a few hundred. I want to show him this thread. and a couple of websites to try get him to dissuade his dad from "investing" any more in it. I thought this one was good Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells
Probably been on here before, but I cant look through 110 pages:). I came accross a site before, where a very big lotto website owner tried to buy advertising space from bb. And he found it almost impossible. When he did finally get a couple of poor quality banners, He found that he got hardly any clicks on them. So declared bb a scam. I cant find that website again. Anyone know it? or got a link?

You may also like to have a look at More Money Review

There someone who is up to speed on internet schemes assesses BB, his name is Jack Whiteman. The thread sees intermittent activity, but the usual amount of members struggling to get money out, being blocked and being encouraged by "shills" as well as some balanced comments for others in the know.

That site goes well with Finch Sells...

The other site you are thinking of is philsmy.com - overcoming the fear of being average

Indeed having just nipped over there to get the link for you, there is some further information from Phil where he has bandied words with Mr J Waters on 28 November. Worth a quick look if you have time :)

Good luck Jerrygo and let us know how you get on!

Oh excellent. Tnx a bunch ash

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Their Master speaks

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For a man behind a multi-billion dollar company you'd think he'd own more than one shirt/tie/suit. I wonder if he wears it when he goes out for a drink after work, would that make them his ad-pub combo?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Shame, the BB thread at RPC was hilarious

Indeed there was.

Originally Posted by le-simpson

I'm a BB member, and i listened to the programme on the radio, i've never met Paul McCarthy but i think he did not do a good job on the radio.
Then again, the host of the program did not give him much of a chance, and i think the main problem was that the host did not do any research and could not get his head round how it worked.
He kept butting in and did not give Paul a chance.

I think the saving grace was the two guys at the end explaining how the system worked, they understood how BB generated the revenue via the AD auctions

My personal thoughts in this are that as the interviewer was trying to understand the system and asking appropriate questions to gain this knowledge. It is not an easy thing to explain. Why would the interviewer be expected to know about it?

I find their are actually very few affiliates that understand it.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

From the conferance today

> Raj speaking

Just moved to new off and hired 23 new staff.

Phone support should be better by Monday

24 hours per day live chat to start soon.

4pm to midnight phone support

Payments are still manually done once they are automated they will happen as advertised.

Card loads should be between 27th and 30th November



Chris Smith Speaking

STP Payza have been ongoing last week and this week.

Withdrawals will not be processed if the account is in the negative.

Payza is no longer a withdrawal option

DB Error is usually at a high peak time.

Hit CTRL F5 about ten times to solve this problem. It pulls a fresh file from the server.

Monthly fees will be taken out steadily from December 1st including missed subscriptions.

Web Rumors

People will write what ever they wish to write about Banners Broker it's a free country, your absolutely in the right place we are here to stay put a lot of time and money into the system. We have a bright future. We are here to stay guys.

Banners Brokers new office Witby ontario steller point inc contracted out.

I bet it is a month-to-month lease agreement.

> Raj speaking

Just moved to new off and hired 23 new staff.

So that brings the total to.....


23

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

"But our AdPub Combo goes up to eleven."



Let them try, we'll throw them on the pile with all the others we get. They make great reading at the RealScam holiday office party.

We have a holiday office party? OK, which one of you round filed my invitation or did you think you could keep this a secret from me?

Originally Posted by iainsherriff

from what i gathered it wasn't seen as interesting enough to follow up the first one.

What RTE actually said was that no one had come forward that was creditable to speak for either side so it wouldn't be interesting to follow up

Both statements could be true. I have not heard this said elsewhere. Did RTE actually say this, nothing on their site or Joe's Twitter feed.

As I have stated previous I did receive a call from the show producer after emailing my story. They told me they would be following it up the next day and asked if I would be willing to speak.

The lady, Siobhan asked how much I had lost and said that they were getting calls of people losing a lot more than me.

It is my fault for 'whipping up a storm' by mentioning this.

Or perhaps someone emailed them with a link to that defamatory blog about me and they took this as a sign of my lack of credibility!

I have emailed them asking if they are going to follow it up, to which I have had no reply as yet.

like you say it could just be of no interest to them.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

We have a holiday office party? OK, which one of you round filed my invitation or did you think you could keep this a secret from me?

I can't understand it, we took out an advert via Banners Broker to promote the party, it should be on thousands of websites....

There seems to be a lot of misconception about how radio shows and interviews work, so let me try to give you some insight into what really goes on.

First, guests are booked weeks in advance. To move a guest to cover a hot topic is not an easy thing to do after they have committed to being on the show at a given date and time. They have schedules too, and sometimes for them to be bumped means they could not be on the show for 2-3 months due to their schedule. The host is not willing to boot them as they have been promoted as being on their show on that day and time, and they need them on now not sometime in the future. There are times when you get bumped because something else "hot" happened that the show has to cover, so you get booted and re-scheduled for a later date. I have had it happen numerous times to me.

I have had a few interviews that because of the lack of time I have been asked to come back on the next day to finish the discussion. Sometimes I am on and sometimes something else happens and prevents it. Just because the host does not follow-up as planned does not mean the topic is not interesting or the guests were not that credible. It just means that they could not move a scheduled guest for when they wanted you on, or something else of more importance took precedent on your being on the show. While the station does try to provide the host with a lot of latitude when scheduling the shows content, sometimes there are contractural requirements that cannot be broken.

I have actually been bumped from a show just 5 mintues before I was to be on the show due to a breaking story they had to cover instead. It happens. It is not a big deal. They always get back to you at a later date and schedule you on their program if the topic is of interest and important to cover.

They may also be waiting to re-visit this after the weekend conference they are holding at the hotel. Actually it would make more sense for them to do this than have someone on the very next day to discuss the topic. A lot more material to work with and I'm sure the station will have someone at the meeeting taking notes if they plan on doing a show after this convention is over. Just food for thought.

The fact that the show did not do a follow-up the next day as originally planned does not mean that the topic is no longer of intereest, that the guests on the show were bad, or any other possibilities. It just means they could not fit it into that day's format due to prior commitments. People are reading way too much into this non-event without knowing all the facts.

Good post Eagle One and quite agree. I will be keeping an eye on the schedule for next week.

I have to say, the timing of the interview was very ill advised. It actually gave BB great publicity and probably helped draw more suckers in. This show has one of the highest listenerships in Ireland. If BB had done a legitimate ad campaign they would not have got as much publicity.

Of course, those familiar with Liveline will know that the show normally concentrates on the sob stories after they have been scammed, not beforehand.

Came across this slightly older blog advertising banners broker as a 'doubler'

Banners Broker Elite

Originally Posted by noname999

I have to say, the timing of the interview was very ill advised. It actually gave BB great publicity and probably helped draw more suckers in. This show has one of the highest listenerships in Ireland. If BB had done a legitimate ad campaign they would not have got as much publicity.

Of course, those familiar with Liveline will know that the show normally concentrates on the sob stories after they have been scammed, not beforehand.

I guess that depends who initiated it.

From my point of view I felt it highlighted how much of a ponzi scheme it is; however, as has been said people will have heard about the guy that 'turned £2k to £75k' and thought that sounds interesting.

I look forward to seeing the follow up from the Ireland visit.

Of course it was quite obvious that the guy Paul hadn't a clue nd he was caught lying. But the 2-75k(even though its only numbers on a screen)is what will catch people. And don't forget the old saying: 'There's no such thing as bad publicity'

On a side note. I have been musing over why they would possibly let Paul McCarthy be the spokesperson for BB. It just does not make sense to have someone who comes across that badly. This wasn't a one off by the way. He had a similar showing on another radio show.

Or maybe it does make sense...
It has to be to give the impression that if someone with that little knowledge can make money at it(yet to be proven) then anyone can.

Originally Posted by noname999

@Le-simpson: hope you didn't miss my post earlier. Would you be interested in providing a detailed explanation?

Beginning to get a complex now. First Balanced ignoring me, and now simpson.

I really just shows you. If you ask a very basic question, they cannot answer as it will show BB for what it is.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

We have a holiday office party? OK, which one of you round filed my invitation or did you think you could keep this a secret from me?

Imma gonna crash it.

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

Came across this slightly older blog advertising banners broker as a 'doubler'

Banners Broker Elite

From yesterday...."Banners Broker a new way to double your money"

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Looks like boasting about earnings (of more than $30-odd a month) is now frowned upon...

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Originally Posted by Theseus

I can't understand it, we took out an advert via Banners Broker to promote the party, it should be on thousands of websites....

Originally Posted by EagleOne

There seems to be a lot of misconception about how radio shows and interviews work, so let me try to give you some insight into what really goes on.

First, guests are booked weeks in advance. To move a guest to cover a hot topic is not an easy thing to do after they have committed to being on the show at a given date and time. They have schedules too, and sometimes for them to be bumped means they could not be on the show for 2-3 months due to their schedule. The host is not willing to boot them as they have been promoted as being on their show on that day and time, and they need them on now not sometime in the future. There are times when you get bumped because something else "hot" happened that the show has to cover, so you get booted and re-scheduled for a later date. I have had it happen numerous times to me.

I have had a few interviews that because of the lack of time I have been asked to come back on the next day to finish the discussion. Sometimes I am on and sometimes something else happens and prevents it. Just because the host does not follow-up as planned does not mean the topic is not interesting or the guests were not that credible. It just means that they could not move a scheduled guest for when they wanted you on, or something else of more importance took precedent on your being on the show. While the station does try to provide the host with a lot of latitude when scheduling the shows content, sometimes there are contractural requirements that cannot be broken.

I have actually been bumped from a show just 5 mintues before I was to be on the show due to a breaking story they had to cover instead. It happens. It is not a big deal. They always get back to you at a later date and schedule you on their program if the topic is of interest and important to cover.

They may also be waiting to re-visit this after the weekend conference they are holding at the hotel. Actually it would make more sense for them to do this than have someone on the very next day to discuss the topic. A lot more material to work with and I'm sure the station will have someone at the meeeting taking notes if they plan on doing a show after this convention is over. Just food for thought.

The fact that the show did not do a follow-up the next day as originally planned does not mean that the topic is no longer of intereest, that the guests on the show were bad, or any other possibilities. It just means they could not fit it into that day's format due to prior commitments. People are reading way too much into this non-event without knowing all the facts.

Can I have your autograph?

Originally Posted by noname999

Of course it was quite obvious that the guy Paul hadn't a clue nd he was caught lying. But the 2-75k(even though its only numbers on a screen)is what will catch people. And don't forget the old saying: 'There's no such thing as bad publicity'

On a side note. I have been musing over why they would possibly let Paul McCarthy be the spokesperson for BB. It just does not make sense to have someone who comes across that badly. This wasn't a one off by the way. He had a similar showing on another radio show.

Or maybe it does make sense...
It has to be to give the impression that if someone with that little knowledge can make money at it(yet to be proven) then anyone can.

It should be remembered, YOU are not part of the Banners Broker target market.

Paul McCarthys' interview worked, insofar as it "prequalified" potential Banners Broker members by eliminating logical thinkers, those with any clue about frauds and online advertising as well as those who have been forewarned by the "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" warnings.

The "type" of members Banners Broker wants WOULD be impressed by the fact McCarthy comes across as the "common man" and not as some sort of slick salesman.

Banners Broker doesn't want "everybody" to join.

How many people would the broadcast in question been heard by, do you think ???

If "ONLY" 10% were sufficiently impressed to join.................see my point ????