Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

It was indeed 2000, see here where he names a couple of them Advertising scheme boss led firm suspended for

So, it has all of it's panels on 2000 websites and each of these panels is owned by a different member, and each of these members owns multiple panels and there are (claimed) 200,000 members?

Originally Posted by Theseus

So, it has all of it's panels on 2000 websites and each of these panels is owned by a different member, and each of these members owns multiple panels and there are (claimed) 200,000 members?

Amazing, isn't it?

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

It was indeed 2000, see here where he names a couple of them Advertising scheme boss led firm suspended for

Big Claims from McCarthy on that video:

"We are going to break every single record in the advetising industry in Ireland."

I partly agree.

BB will smash the record for the least number of ads on the web.

BalancedView - at time of writing we have 14 registered members here (including you).
We have 112 guests.

I'm converted - I have made my mind up through extensive research that Banners Broker is a scam.
However, if in the end it turns out to be a legitimate business I will state that I was wrong.

Jason

And in the interests of a "balanced view"

some research into those making the "claims" brings up:

Jason Clark aka poyol (Links deleted - Off-Topic)

Phil Hendy aka hendyphilhendy (Links deleted - Off-Topic)

2 can play that game! This is war!

If you want to start a thread, take it to: Ranting, Raving and other Ridiculous Diatribes link. This does not belong in this thread about BB.

Originally Posted by sandyfam

And in the interests of a "balanced view"

some research into those making the "claims" brings up:

Jason Clark aka poyol: Jason Clark Hyde Cheshire jac computer repairs 3lanz scammer scam Scam Report - Stolen Laptop - Scam - Jason Clark

Phil Hendy aka hendyphilhendy: Phil Hendy - PAH Accountants also known as wiltshireaccountants.co.uk Scam Report - Stolen Money

2 can play that game! This is war!

Ummn, both Jason and Phil have made their names and addresses freely available on this very forum

In fact, Jason even invited help from readers when deciding a name for his new venture.

So, Epic fail, Sherlock

Originally Posted by sandyfam

And in the interests of a "balanced view"

some research into those making the "claims" brings up:

This middle section with names and links removed.... 2 can play that game! This is war!

I've just seen this guys. I hope you are taking legal advice on this.

Originally Posted by AshKen1

I've just seen this guys. I hope you are taking legal advice on this.

Don't worry about that, I will be.
If someone wants to call the police regarding a 'stolen' laptop they may do so - lies!

Jason

Originally Posted by sandyfam

And in the interests of a "balanced view"

some research into those making the "claims" brings up:

Jason Clark aka poyol (Links deleted - Off-Topic)

Phil Hendy aka hendyphilhendy (Links deleted - Off-Topic)

2 can play that game! This is war!

If you want to start a thread, take it to: Ranting, Raving and other Ridiculous Diatribes link. This does not belong in this thread about BB.

the links that are there, I have seen. Absolute disgrace that someone can post that information about me and Poyol. There really are some low life banners broker defenders.

I have always put in reasonable, calm debates. Half the time I stick up for affiliates and say that they are purely misled into this rather than knowingly being criminal about it.

Rest assured my solicitor is being contacted.

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

the links that are there, I have seen. Absolute disgrace that someone can post that information about me and Poyol. There really are some low life banners broker defenders.

I have always put in reasonable, calm debates. Half the time I stick up for affiliates and say that they are purely misled into this rather than knowingly being criminal about it.

Rest assured my solicitor is being contacted.

These scammers will stoop to such a low level that you couldn't imagine existed.....Anything from BS reports to try to discredit you all the way to threats on your wife and kids....

Take it as a badge of honor....A sign that you doing a great job exposing this BB scam....

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

the links that are there, I have seen. Absolute disgrace that someone can post that information about me and Poyol. There really are some low life banners broker defenders.

I have always put in reasonable, calm debates. Half the time I stick up for affiliates and say that they are purely misled into this rather than knowingly being criminal about it.

Rest assured my solicitor is being contacted.

IMHO Laughably false claims made on those "forums". As an accountant in practice i can say that the chance of Phil's "lack of 2012 accounting knowledge" Could not lead to what was being claimed so quick as all CT/IT returns would be based on ealier years rules. Nice try losers you thought putting 2012 in would make it worse and it only pointed out your lies. Also the complaint against Jason called him Poyol in one part- bit of a giveaway. Phil, Poyol nail their backsides for this- clearly a libel.

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

all CT/IT returns would be based on ealier years rules. Nice try losers you thought putting 2012 in would make it worse and it only pointed out your lies.

These BB cheerleaders are nasty pieces of work but by God are they stupid.

By the way, seeing the old chestnut that it can't be a ponzi as its going over 2 years and it would have collapsed by now as you double your money every two to three months. You DO NOT double your money...its numbers on a screen. Seriously, how thick are you???

Let's say an average website has 5 banners on it.
That's 2000(websites) x 5(number of banners per website) = 10,000
10,000(total banners) / 200,000 = 0.05

According to this very simplified calculation each member owns 0.05 panels.

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

Let's say an average website has 5 banners on it.
That's 2000(websites) x 5(number of banners per website) = 10,000
10,000(total banners) / 200,000 = 0.05

According to this very simplified calculation each member owns 0.05 panels.

Jason

Put it another way, how many panels does the average BB member own? Is it as low as 5, or is it in the hundreds or thousands?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Put it another way, how many panels does the average BB member own? Is it as low as 5, or is it in the hundreds or thousands?

When I first invested I received around 3 (I think) hard to remember.
I then bought another two.

An average member has hundreds of panels.

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

When I first invested I received around 3 (I think) hard to remember.
I then bought another two.

An average member has hundreds of panels.

Jason

Ok, lets say it averages at 200 per member. That's 40,000,000 panels on 2000 websites, which is 20,000 banner ads on each and every site....

I think, and this may be my mis-understanding, this is what the system is in theory supposed to do:

A panel represents and element of allowable impressions on a site
Therefore my yellow panel represents say 5,000 impression.
I would get 5,000 turns on that (or any other) website when a browser link is refreshed on a rotation with everyone else that has a panel
Once my impressions are used up that panels caps and I get paid into my e-wallet

Technically the number of impression is therefore infinite; however, I am sure website stats could be got to say how many impressions there are for some of the top ranking websites.

It would be good if someone could clarify as I know I have been accused of not understanding the business, despite being in it for 9 months!

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

I think, and this may be my mis-understanding, this is what the system is in theory supposed to do:

A panel represents and element of allowable impressions on a site
Therefore my yellow panel represents say 5,000 impression.
I would get 5,000 turns on that (or any other) website when a browser link is refreshed on a rotation with everyone else that has a panel
Once my impressions are used up that panels caps and I get paid into my e-wallet

Technically the number of impression is therefore infinite; however, I am sure website stats could be got to say how many impressions there are for some of the top ranking websites.

It would be good if someone could clarify as I know I have been accused of not understanding the business, despite being in it for 9 months!

I don't know.
There is nowhere on the website that tells you how it works.
Uplines don't seem to know how it works properly either.
The ones I've dealt with try to baffle with talks of blind networks and sayings such as 'You can lead a horse to water...'

Jason

Originally Posted by hendyphilhendy

I think, and this may be my mis-understanding, this is what the system is in theory supposed to do:

A panel represents and element of allowable impressions on a site
Therefore my yellow panel represents say 5,000 impression.
I would get 5,000 turns on that (or any other) website when a browser link is refreshed on a rotation with everyone else that has a panel

That makes it sound like a timeshare

Yes. Did. 6 months. No recruits. Spare cash. Withdrawing money weekly. Initial inv covered. Wondering what all the fuss is about. We're all over18, arent we?

BalancedView awaits your response. Be objective.

Hi BalancedView.
Welcome to the forum.
Do you mind me asking why you only ran your BB business for 6 months?
Sounds like it was easy money!

I think it was designed to be impossible to understand. Even the head of the Irish branch was unable to describe it. I think you could transpose "understand" with "see through".

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

I think it was designed to be impossible to understand. Even the head of the Irish branch was unable to describe it. I think you could transpose "understand" with "see through".

What that demonstrated was a lack of the ability to think on his feet, he could have just come out with any old BS as long as it sounded convincing, rather than humming and hawing like that. The whole point of being a confidence trickster is to inspire confidence in your victims, McCarthy couldn't sell me a genuine 10 euro note for 5 euros....

Originally Posted by Theseus

What that demonstrated was a lack of the ability to think on his feet, he could have just come out with any old BS as long as it sounded convincing, rather than humming and hawing like that. The whole point of being a confidence trickster is to inspire confidence in your victims, McCarthy couldn't sell me a genuine 10 euro note for 5 euros....

As he had fear to say something wrong...he knows it's a ponzi...he knows he must hide the truth...he knows wrong word or even words could leave his mouth...and jet suddenly he has this opportunity to say urbi et orbi how great and clean the business is...I think this all together was to much for him......I never heard a manager so confused,nervous while stammering as being at military court...poor guy..I bet he was beging the God the interview terminate as soon as possible

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

I think it was designed to be impossible to understand.

You couldn't be more correct.

In fact, what a good fraudster does is create a self limiting story

"Self limiting" in the sense the story is so complex and unbelievable, it eliminates all but the very best "victims" without the fraudster having to lift a finger after writing the story.

Nigerian scammers and HYIP ponzi owners don't WANT people to apply logic.

They don't WANT non believers.

What they want to do is put their spiel in front of enough people so that when the story does their work for them and drives off "sensible' people, they know that they're left with "soft targets"

Their victims have "pre qualified" themselves by virtue of the fact they believed any of the story in the first place.

Firstly - my first post
Secondly - i am a member of Banners Broker.

I think the main problem is that people do not know how it all works.

Here is how it works simply put

1. Someone signs up and BB use the money placed, to pool and use to purchase advertising impressions at auction which they then resell at a profit and share the profit with the affiliates.
hendyphilhendy was correct it not actually panels on a website it's impressions you buy.

2. The reason you will not finds ads placed on the internet is because they are placed the "blind" ad network (Advertising network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) perfectly legit and normal and this is run by a third party

It takes an awful lot of money to purchase the impressions thats why they decided to go the affiliate way - and profit share.

I believe it is not a ponzi - as revenue is generated via buying and selling the impressions - you do not have to sign up anyone under you to earn money - not a pyramid scheme

I'll check back here in a couple of hours - i expect to be hammered down ( be gentle - i'm female)