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01-26-2015, 03:58 PM
#16676
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
You have to remember who hired this team in the first place. If they determine it is a Ponzi, or a criminal enterprise, their client Ian Driscoll stands to lose his claim. If that happens, they get a lesser cut than if Ian gets his millions he has sued for in this case. The monkey wrench is if the Canadian authorities take action citing BB committed securities violations, Ian hasn't a prayer of recovery. I think they are trying to rush this to conclusion before the Canadian authorities take action. That is provided they do take action.
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01-26-2015, 07:14 PM
#16677
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
It is hard to believe at times that after over 2 years since the last payout this is still limping along with members hanging on thinking it will come back. Considering all that has been said, written and posted about BB you would think that the members would have gone to the authorities en masse filing complaints against them. Sadly that has not been the case. If the truth were known, it is probably only a handful of members who have filed complaints with their law enforcement or regulatory authorities.
As was stated back in January of 2013, the question was would this die a slow death, disappear overnight or would the authorities act? Well, we have known the answer to that question for quite some time now. The only real question is how many of the members still believe BB is real and will pay them?
I find the statement by the appointed Receiver that no determination can be made if BB is a Ponzi or a criminal enterprise incredulous. Really makes you question the rationale for that statement and if it is based on a bias not to find the evidence of wrong doing by BB. To do so means you have to totally dismiss all the information that is available on so many forums and blogs as not being credible and defying/suspending all logic. As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, craps like a duck, it is a duck; except in the Receiver's eyes it seems.
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01-27-2015, 09:08 AM
#16678
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, craps like a duck,
Holy Crap, it's a Duck!!!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
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01-27-2015, 11:01 AM
#16679
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
You have to remember who hired this team in the first place. If they determine it is a Ponzi, or a criminal enterprise, their client Ian Driscoll stands to lose his claim. If that happens, they get a lesser cut than if Ian gets his millions he has sued for in this case. The monkey wrench is if the Canadian authorities take action citing BB committed securities violations, Ian hasn't a prayer of recovery. I think they are trying to rush this to conclusion before the Canadian authorities take action. That is provided they do take action.
How can they not determine that it was a pyramid scheme (Ponzi) when the RCMP believes it is. I know they are slow in arresting Smith and Raj but I am sure they are going to once they have got everything they need to make the charges stand up in court. According to the affidavit by a RCMP officer and filed in the
Superior Court of Ontario:
CANADA
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO
CITY OF TORONTO
Police File Number: RCMP 2014-1863297
AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF AN APPLICATION
FOR RESTRAINT ORDER
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This is the information of:
Constable Katie Judd
a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,
Peace Officer, of the City of Toronto in the Province of Ontario,
now called the "Informant", taken before me.
The Informant says there are reasonable grounds to believe, and does believe, that
Christopher George Smith (Date of Birth: 1970-08-28), Rajiv Dixit (Date of Birth: 1970-
09-23), and others known or unknown, using associated companies, have committed:'
sometime between October 2010 to present day the following offences:
Pyramid Scheme, contrary to Section 206(1)(e) of the Criminal Code;
Fraud, contrary to Section 380(1) of the Criminal Code;
Possession of Property Obtained by Crime, contrary to Section 354(1) of the Criminal Code;
Laundering the Proceeds of Crime, contrary to Section 462.31 of the Criminal Code;
Making False or Misleading Representations, contrary to Section 52(1) of the Competition Act;
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01-27-2015, 06:53 PM
#16680
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
If the reasonable grounds can be translated as the facts then believing is an inferior condition...or you have facts and know or you don't have and do not know...no...I think investigators know by now very well what is or was BB but in this very moment is not their priority ...might be they "sold" ponzi facts,charges for more info about money obscure transactions or other illegal discoveries we have no idea about.Trade with facts,charges is well known reality during many investigations...many times police "forget" some crimes if they get entrance in a bigger thing,crime which can harm society much strongly - what if Chris has sold many of this passports and ID documents??..If I would be a police officer I would - in this very moment of terrorism spreading across the world - ...I would INSTANTLY want to know who got all the documents...games with money would be in plan B
Instead of loving people and using money, people often love money and use people
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02-08-2015, 11:31 AM
#16681
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Little Jamie's post on his FB page warning others against 'utoken'. It might be DODGY! AND, they had the cheek to delete some perfectly sensible questions he asked! Don't these people know who Jamie IS??????
jamie post.JPG
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02-09-2015, 11:54 AM
#16682
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
HARRISON
Oh, but Harrison, there is more.....look at these comments from Lil' Jamie's FB page under that same entry about "utoken".
JW 9 Feb 15.jpg
Ironic or what???????????????
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02-10-2015, 11:31 PM
#16683
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
How can they not determine that it was a pyramid scheme (Ponzi) when the RCMP believes it is.
My two cents. It is not for the enforcement branch =the police- to decide who committed a crime. That is a job of a court to decide. Likewise the liquidator. Both however could give their opinion and it appears only the RCMP have given theirs. Maybe the liquidator does not want to prejudice any investigations. But given the mass of evidence so far it is a bit like Holocaust denial to say "we don't really know what happened so we cant really say it is a ponzi yet" .
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02-11-2015, 12:31 AM
#16684
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Not sure where you got the idea that it is the court who decides who committed a crime. On the local level, the police do their investigation and submit their findings to the DA. It is the DA who determines if a crime occurred for charges to be filed and against whom. The court is the arbiter of the proceedings between the DA and the accused. The jury, if there is one, determines if they are guilty or innocent. If guilty, then the court has to rule on the sentence the person found guilty will receive.
On the Federal level, the FBI or Secret Service here in the U.S., or in Canada the RCMP, will conduct an investigation and submit their findings to the U.S. Attorney. They will then determine if charges will be filed and against whom. In Canada I believe this would be the Crown Attorney, but they are the ones who will make the determination if a crime has been committed and there is sufficient evidence to charge the parties who committed the crime, not the court.
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02-11-2015, 06:30 AM
#16685
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Beacon
My two cents. It is not for the enforcement branch =the police- to decide who committed a crime. That is a job of a court to decide. Likewise the liquidator. Both however could give their opinion and it appears only the RCMP have given theirs. Maybe the liquidator does not want to prejudice any investigations. But given the mass of evidence so far it is a bit like Holocaust denial to say "we don't really know what happened so we cant really say it is a ponzi yet" .
One hesitates to stereotype, but bureaucratic two stepping is precisely the reason Canada has the reputation it has WRT being a semi safe haven for HYIP fraudsters.
It certainly appears from the outside that the relevant authorities in Canada are more concerned with conforming to "the rules" than they are with actually catching the fraudsters
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02-11-2015, 08:54 AM
#16686
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
One hesitates to stereotype, but bureaucratic two stepping is precisely the reason Canada has the reputation it has WRT being a semi safe haven for HYIP fraudsters.
It certainly appears from the outside that the relevant authorities in Canada are more concerned with conforming to "the rules" than they are with actually catching the fraudsters
If you are going to make comments as per the above, you should also mention that the reputation you are mentioning is a pretty old one and no longer accurate.
If Canada were such a safe haven why is it that most of these scams are based out of countries other than Canada? It's not logical that if Canada is such a "safe haven" for these scams that it has very few of these programs residing in Canada compared to the large number of new Ponzi's, HYIP's, HYBRID's being started daily world-wide.
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02-11-2015, 10:14 AM
#16687
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
It's not logical
And "logic" has what to do with it ??
How many HYIPs would you think have used SolidTrustPay as the payment processor of choice
And please don't hit me with that crap about "other countries"
We're not talking about "other countries"
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02-11-2015, 11:24 AM
#16688
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
I was back reading the first few pages of this thread reminiscing and came across this post by Joe Schmoe:
watersscammer.JPG
and Joe was right........it looks just plain silly. especially after he has tried to scrub any association with this scam from the web.
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02-12-2015, 09:33 AM
#16689
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
And "logic" has what to do with it ??
How many HYIPs would you think have used SolidTrustPay as the payment processor of choice
And please don't hit me with that crap about "other countries"
We're not talking about "other countries"
Most people when making decisions base their decision on some kind of logic, however, I admit, there are those that don't use logic.
The people that don't want to hear about scams in "other countries" probably live in one of them. The point is if you are going to bash another country at least do it with current "facts" and not based on info that's no longer relevant.
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02-12-2015, 09:43 AM
#16690
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
One hesitates to stereotype, but bureaucratic two stepping is precisely the reason Canada has the reputation it has WRT being a semi safe haven for HYIP fraudsters.
It certainly appears from the outside that the relevant authorities in Canada are more concerned with conforming to "the rules" than they are with actually catching the fraudsters
Funny i note BB was going in Cyprus India Ireland UK US France Poland Portugal Carribean and Canada. ther was nothing other than an office
in the Isle of Man by which I mean no numbers of affiliates from the IoM. Ditto for Belize. But so for the ONLY authorities Im aware of who actually did anything in terms of action were IoM and CANADA. THe Indian case may be an exception or it may be a knock on from the Bento divorce and a personal falling out rather than a criminal investigation but in any case that has not resolved yet.
So Canada in this case dont seem to have fared badly in comparison to others. then again this may also be because several people from RS and elsewhere have been pushing the Canadian authorities to act since Raj was active there and also because of the work of Ms Judd of the RCMP who seems to have acted on this case. So the question would be what "rules" was she being forced to follow and how come the Canadian court and liquidator seem to have enforced their "rules" and all these other countries did little or nothing about their rules?
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02-12-2015, 10:03 AM
#16691
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
The point is if you are going to bash another country
Get off your defensive high horse, Ken.
It's not about "bashing" Canada.
It's about the fact Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population in comparison to say the USA or UK.
It has also, as you pointed out, a relatively small number of HYIP ponzi frauds in comparison to many other countries.
Which brings me to the point, there were countless complaints made to the Canadian authorities alerting them to the existence of Banners Broker.
Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population and a small number of HYIP ponzi frauds.
It's not like its' regulators are over run with HYIPs.
It didn't act.
AGAIN.
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02-12-2015, 11:59 AM
#16692
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Get off your defensive high horse, Ken.
It's not about "bashing" Canada.
It's about the fact Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population in comparison to say the USA or UK.
It has also, as you pointed out, a relatively small number of HYIP ponzi frauds in comparison to many other countries.
Which brings me to the point, there were countless complaints made to the Canadian authorities alerting them to the existence of Banners Broker.
Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population and a small number of HYIP ponzi frauds.
It's not like its' regulators are over run with HYIPs.
It didn't act.
AGAIN.
Whether or not you think you weren't bashing Canada your post about Canada being a semi safe haven for these scams was based on information that is no longer relevant. Posters have been criticized here for making statements, such as yours, without backing them up with current and relevant facts and I think as an Administrator you should abide by the same guidelines.
Also, in the case of BB, Canada did act unlike all the other countries where the scam was promoted heavily.
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02-12-2015, 07:29 PM
#16693
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
I think
I think Canada inherited a bureaucratic system from its' days as a British colony and, rather than shake off the shackles, has only multiplied that bureaucracy, leading to its' law enforcement agencies being bogged down in red tape, unable to act without consulting a squillion petty bureaucrats and politicians.
Throw in Canadas' inter-jurisdictional rivalries and IM(very)HO, you have the Banners Broker surviving and thriving much longer than was necessary story.
You think different.
End of.
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02-13-2015, 12:53 AM
#16694
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
...Canada did act unlike all the other countries where the scam was promoted heavily.
Ken, Canadian athorities (while having enough evidence) failed to act so many times, and let the criminals just walk out laughing at them.
Just the market share of canadian money laundering networks (Payza/SolidTrustPay/Egopay) i would say currently is 60%. (The rest being PerfectMoney/Payeer/OkPay - all russian)
Yes 60% of cybercrime money are going through them and interconnecting to canadian and offshore banks, FinTRAC totally fails to do what it MUST.
Such infrastructure attracting the criminals to your country. I knew several HYIP admins in Canada, with enough evidence to lock them up, nobody at all wants to arrest them - it is like the twilight zone.
And no, nothing changed, it became worse as number of SCAMS increases, i can tell you in US it definitely went down, people prefer to base their operations in Canada because it is progressive country with high standard of living but lacks on prosecution of the white collar crime – which attracts criminals from other countries to move in, or locals to commit such crime.
Things like STP/Egopay/Payza cannot exists in US as long as they been committing money laundering in Canada.
And nobody attacks your country, just that inability of the authorities to act, there are definitely worse countries but scammers would better take Canada with their banks who can move huge $$ offshore hiding from the authorities :)
I can tell you even more, Ukraine and Russia is about 70% of all HYIP fraud market, i would never go on defense if you told me that.
But even they use Canadian banks and money laundering networks.
P.S. You will have a chance to see yet again how canadians will screw up with BB and Nick Smirnoff
- they will probably just fine them or 1-2 years in prison or just will let them go or run.
P.P.S. As another point go through the canadian list of securities violations,
filter out offline ponzi schemes, and see how the criminals paid for it – it is a freaking twilight zone - just a slap on hands and a fine.
Track down how many of those were charged criminally after it, you would be surprised , sometimes I would even think that Canada was built for financial crimes.
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02-13-2015, 01:27 AM
#16695
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
also on BB fallout in Canada, i give the full credit to the liquidators (not as much as to RCMP)
I can only imagine how annoyed they were and how many doors they had to knock to make the impossible as to recognize the order of out–of–jurisdiction IoM court.
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02-13-2015, 10:57 AM
#16696
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Get off your defensive high horse, Ken.
It's about the fact Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population in comparison to say the USA or UK.
...Canada is a relatively small country with a relatively small population and a small number of HYIP ponzi frauds.
It's not like its' regulators are over run with HYIPs.
It didn't act.
AGAIN.
Wee it is about two thirds the size of UK in population and economy. It certainly is not small geographically. Maybe many of the emergency services are devoted to wilderness related activities.
You suggest that the "authorities" in Canada are not very active on fraud because they are inefficient, lazy or it is not something they have a lot of.
If it is not something they do not have a lot of then Canada are maybe doing something right. they cant have low crime just because they are two thirds the population of the UK.
But you suggest Canada didn't act. Fact is it DID act even if slowly. And it did so when other places were even slower. The court also set a precedent in my opinion in the way it reacted to a foreign court in the Isle of Man.
I really dont see how anything bad can be said about Canada in this which isn't worse elsewhere.
PS having read http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...html#post81739
Im prepared to rethink my position. the question then becomes whether Canada is lacking regulation in terms of laws or in herms of will to act on sufficient laws. the courts and laws seem efficient and up to date so if money laundering and HYIP is inordinately high in Canada ( and that has not been proved) then it would be a valid claim to say authorities are failing to act.
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02-13-2015, 10:58 AM
#16697
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
NikSam
Ken, Canadian athorities (while having enough evidence) failed to act so many times, and let the criminals just walk out laughing at them.
Just the market share of canadian money laundering networks (Payza/SolidTrustPay/Egopay) i would say currently is 60%. (The rest being PerfectMoney/Payeer/OkPay - all russian)
Yes 60% of cybercrime money are going through them and interconnecting to canadian and offshore banks, FinTRAC totally fails to do what it MUST.
Such infrastructure attracting the criminals to your country. I knew several HYIP admins in Canada, with enough evidence to lock them up, nobody at all wants to arrest them - it is like the twilight zone.
And no, nothing changed, it became worse as number of SCAMS increases, i can tell you in US it definitely went down, people prefer to base their operations in Canada because it is progressive country with high standard of living but lacks on prosecution of the white collar crime – which attracts criminals from other countries to move in, or locals to commit such crime.
Things like STP/Egopay/Payza cannot exists in US as long as they been committing money laundering in Canada.
And nobody attacks your country, just that inability of the authorities to act, there are definitely worse countries but scammers would better take Canada with their banks who can move huge $$ offshore hiding from the authorities :)
I can tell you even more, Ukraine and Russia is about 70% of all HYIP fraud market, i would never go on defense if you told me that.
But even they use Canadian banks and money laundering networks.
P.S. You will have a chance to see yet again how canadians will screw up with BB and Nick Smirnoff
- they will probably just fine them or 1-2 years in prison or just will let them go or run.
P.P.S. As another point
go through the canadian list of securities violations,
filter out offline ponzi schemes, and see how the criminals paid for it – it is a freaking twilight zone - just a slap on hands and a fine.
Track down how many of those were charged criminally after it, you would be surprised , sometimes I would even think that Canada was built for financial crimes.
You too are entitled to your opinion, however, you too have not backed those up with any new and relevant facts.
While some of the PP's may be based in Canada all the other countries allow them to operate in their country including the UK, Europe, USA. So, why aren't the authorities in those countries allowing them to operate? Why did it take the US 40 years to finally convict Madoff of the largest Ponzi scheme in US history? Because they are so tough on white collar crime?
Re- when searching the "list of security violations" in Canada have you done the same for the US, UK, etc.? I guarantee you that the list is just as long if not longer and the punishment not much different from that of Canada. Comments such as "Canada built for financial crimes", just shows that you truly know very little about Canada and it's legal system, and any comments you make regarding Canada cannot be taken seriously.
Everybody has their opinion and nothing discussed here will change anything, not even facts, so I am done with this topic.
Happy Valentine's Day everyone.
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02-13-2015, 11:05 AM
#16698
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
Re- when searching the "list of security violations" in Canada have you done the same for the US, UK, etc.? I guarantee you that the list is just as long if not longer and the punishment not much different from that of Canada. Comments such as "Canada built for financial crimes", just shows that you truly know very little about Canada and it's legal system, and any comments you make regarding Canada cannot be taken seriously.
Everybody has their opinion and nothing discussed here will change anything, not even facts, so I am done with this topic.
Happy Valentine's Day everyone.
It seems the evidence is that Canada is the worst country in the World for facilitating HYIP scams with the exception of any other country that has the same scams. :)
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02-13-2015, 11:07 AM
#16699
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
NikSam
also on BB fallout in Canada, i give the full credit to the liquidators (not as much as to RCMP)
I can only imagine how annoyed they were and how many doors they had to knock to make the impossible as to recognize the order of out–of–jurisdiction IoM court.
But much of the credit for that goes to the Judge.
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02-13-2015, 11:08 AM
#16700
Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
Re- when searching the "list of security violations" in Canada have you done the same for the US, UK, etc.?
I presume you know what a "strawman argument" is, Ken.
You must, you're such an expert at introducing them into a discussion.
* We're in a thread discussing Banners Broker - a Canadian based HYIP ponzi fraud. What happens in other countries is for discussion in other thread/s
* Likewise, your introduction of Bernie Madoff into the discussion is a classic red herring
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
any comments you make regarding Canada cannot be taken seriously.
By Ken Roklin, who can only speak for himself.
Originally Posted by
Ken Roklin
however, you too have not backed those up with any new and relevant facts.
As opposed to the mountains of facts you have introduced into the discussion, you mean ??
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