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    Quote Originally Posted by Theseus View Post
    The disastrous job he made of that is a far more likely reason for him not being paid, if true. Of course the first thing someone who is under observation would do is state they were moving house (so wouldn't be at that address), in the hope that those watching them would simply stop turning up and their door. As mentioned previously, he does seem to move rather a lot, so who knows...
    *yawn* so, yeah........the first thing you do is announce to the alleged people eyeballing you is that you are moving. Not that they would follow you or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Even if true BB cannot use this as good news for them as they have spent weeks claiming that the investigation was against an individual not BB itself. Can't have it both ways scammers.
    and this would be 'announcement' number 54,920 claiming this at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Della Cate View Post
    Re this from Mr Stern:-

    He stated that it is part of his duties to ensure the payment situation is resolved so that affiliates are getting paid on time. He actually had it included in his contract that if affiliates didn't get paid then HE doesn't get paid either. It meant that when he stood in front of us and said something like ''trust me, I know what it feels like when you are not getting paid and what a pain in the butt it is'' it was not just 'lip service'. He is in it with us.

    He gave us a little insight into the fact that he had to change his home phone number, was having his home watched, receiving pestering phone calls all hours of the day and night, having his children photographed and a number of other things, all as a result of trying to fix things on the s**m forums. He mentioned he is moving house this week but I am not sure whether this is also a forced move related to the problem.


    My response is: We only have his word for that. He may indeed be telling the truth.........but how on earth does anyone know? Anyone seen his contract for a start?

    Words are very cheap and easy, aren't they?
    Della, we know it's not true because it doesn't make any sense! Who in the name of jaysus would tell a prospective employer that unless they were going to pay their shareholders, that they didn't want to be paid? It can not be true, this confession alone confirms what we all know, BB aren't paying people and it is now their biggest PR issue. Joining a company with this stance, knowing it is impossible to qualify says one of two things. Either Terry doesn't need a job or Terry desperately needs a job, if it were believable, these would be the facts.

    As for the second crock of.... , for one second could anyone believe that an individual was taking pics of ones kids and that the full force of the law would not be investigating this to the nth degree! having his kids photographed comes in at an astounding number 3 on the list of gripes, having had to change his phone number first! If true, firstly, what evidence does he / the writer show that it would have any connection to the forums? None. Again, like BB itself, if it sounds too fantastic, well , I guess it is. You have to question the mentality and level of desperation to throw this kind of stuff into the mix.

    In a nutshell, he won't take money if the affiliates aren't being paid, but happy to continue in his employment whilst him and his family (?) are under apparent siege and having signed away his guarantee of even being paid. At the risk of repeating myself, if it sounds too good etc..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Stupid as it may appear to be, it keeps the members happily thinking Terry is one of them and on their side.
    Reminds me of the old car salesman trick of making the customer believe that they, the salesman, are your best buddy and it's the big, bad manager that is preventing you getting a decent trade-in/discount, but they'll go and see if what you can do for you, even if it means that they risk losing their commission/job.

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    Let's just pretend for one moment everything Mr stern is claiming is in fact true and there's an unknown person or persons taking pix of his children, ringing him at all hours of the day and night and his home is being "watched"

    Would you:

    a) suspect posters on an anti scam forum

    or

    b) suspect some of the victims of the HYIP ponzi fraud with which Mr Stern has forever associated himself ??

    We are not simply talking about a few "good ol' boys" running a harmless gambling game here.

    We are talking about an online HYIP ponzi fraud which claims to have upward of 100,000 "members" and which has had multiple millions of dollars pass through it's accounts.

    We are talking about a HYIP ponzi fraud in which upward of 80% of said "members" are statistically going to be net losers.

    We are talking about a HYIP ponzi arena which, by it's very nature, attracts the sort of people to whom a "DDoS" attack is a "normal" occurrence and who wouldn't think twice about exacting the sort of retribution Mr Stern claims is happening.

    We are talking about a person who willingly and deliberately associated HIMSELF and his family with a highly visible criminal operation AND continued/s to defend it's legitimacy in the face of undeniable evidence to the contrary.

    "IF", and I do mean "IF" said activity is taking place, I find it very hard to muster any sympathy for Mr Stern and/or the others behind Banners Broker.

    The families are innocent bystanders who don't deserve to be dragged into this, and, while I can't imagine anyone on REALSCAM.com condoning the sort of alleged revenge being taken against anyone, perhaps Mr Stern and Co need to remember the old adage:

    "If you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get up with fleas"
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Let's just pretend for one moment everything Mr stern is claiming is in fact true and there's an unknown person or persons taking pix of his children, ringing him at all hours of the day and night and his home is being "watched"

    Would you:

    a) suspect posters on an anti scam forum

    or

    b) suspect some of the victims of the HYIP ponzi fraud with which Mr Stern has forever associated himself ??

    We are not simply talking about a few "good ol' boys" running a harmless gambling game here.

    We are talking about an online HYIP ponzi fraud which claims to have upward of 100,000 "members" and which has had multiple millions of dollars pass through it's accounts.

    We are talking about a HYIP ponzi fraud in which upward of 80% of said "members" are statistically going to be net losers.

    We are talking about a HYIP ponzi arena which, by it's very nature, attracts the sort of people to whom a "DDoS" attack is a "normal" occurrence and who wouldn't think twice about exacting the sort of retribution Mr Stern claims is happening.

    We are talking about a person who willingly and deliberately associated HIMSELF and his family with a highly visible criminal operation AND continued/s to defend it's legitimacy in the face of undeniable evidence to the contrary.

    "IF", and I do mean "IF" said activity is taking place, I find it very hard to muster any sympathy for Mr Stern and/or the others behind Banners Broker.

    The families are innocent bystanders who don't deserve to be dragged into this, and, while I can't imagine anyone on REALSCAM.com condoning the sort of alleged revenge being taken against anyone, perhaps Mr Stern and Co need to remember the old adage:

    "If you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get up with fleas"

    If and I mean if, such activity is taking place all Terry/David need do is pick one of the two following options...

    1) Phone the police and report suspicious activity/harassment.

    2) Go online and complain vociferously, move house. Do not contact police.

    If he's a law-abiding citizen he'll know which option to pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    People believe because they WANT to believe

    They WANT to believe there is such a thing as a "passive income"

    They WANT to believe they are not condemned to a life of 9 to 5 and drudgery.

    They WANT to believe "positive thinking" will override logic.

    They WANT to believe it's as easy as Robert Kiyosaki / Tony Robbins / Donald Trump et al make out.

    They WANT to believe it's possible to turn $80 into a million dollars like REALSCAM.com member Fendaril says in THIS POST

    They WANT to believe there's a widow of a recently deceased Nigerian diplomat who wants to share $12 billion with them.

    Fraudsters unashamedly play on peoples "hopes" and "desires" and recognize that for many people "logic" has very little to do with it.
    So true..even worst..the logic is complitely out..even after realizing the scam is scam led by criminals,the hope does not leave them at all...while saying that scam is scam and saying that scammers are criminals,this people will still speak as it is still real business and will have hope - and this is huge - that somehow criminals could turn to be good guys ,could realize they did bad things and start pay them as a good guys do ...probably that's why all this scams survive so long even after collapsing by all indicators...a funny world with tragic consequences

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Certainly sounds like the criminals behind Banners Broker were completely incapable of whipping up the sort of frenzy of the type AdSurf Daily, P.I.P.S. and 12Daily Pro did just before their demise.
    IMHO they left their run much too late....6-9 months ago such a bash like they had in Manchester could have whipped up a real frenzy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    and this would be 'announcement' number 54,920 claiming this at this point.
    Till I see it on the police/court website it's total BS in my eyes....Just more lies from admins and pom pom wavers designed to separate decent people from their money....
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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Affiliates claiming the big announcement is that the police in India have finished their investigations and have dropped the case.
    The Court website is today still showing the case as 'Pending'.
    Goa.jpg
    Q & A with Terry Stern - Q&A with Terry Stern
    Banners Broker busted in India - Investment firm accused of duping investors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    Looks like New Yorker Mark Ghobril likes to think he is Davids new attack dog. Despite his claims that he is "a dedicated MLM'er determined to succeed. One really cool dude!!!" I say he is a tool and determined to fail at MLM if he thinks BB is for real.

    Edit: Calling someone a 'tool' in australia is slang for an idiot - as in "he's a f**king tool". Not sure if it means the same elsewhere!
    Re tool. It does and he is. a complete and utter tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    The Court website is today still showing the case as 'Pending'.
    Goa.jpg
    Does anyone with any knowledge of the Indian legal system have any ideas as to when the case will come up? I can't believe that the Indian authorities are so on the ball whereas the UK and other authorities are doing very little. Shame on us all really. I was hoping for an arrest in Manchester at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Does anyone with any knowledge of the Indian legal system have any ideas as to when the case will come up? I can't believe that the Indian authorities are so on the ball whereas the UK and other authorities are doing very little. Shame on us all really. I was hoping for an arrest in Manchester at least.
    If Smith or Dixt were going to be arrested it would have been at Heathrow immigration. They were obviously expecting some sort of confrontation at Bolton, although I'd hazard a guess they felt more at risk from their own affiliates than the authorities.....

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    My first post...
    Great thread and i have been using it to keep tabs on the scam. Cork was the centre of some Irish scams and i knew some of the fodder from the last scheme so i was concerned that this might kick off in a similar vein but it looks like sites like this have kept it at a relatively low level thus far.
    I may not become a regular contributor but im sure there are many others like me using this for all developments and disclosures so thanks too all.

    I quoted this Beacon chap as he seems to enjoy taking the story off topic and it is a pity as most of the content is knowledgeable, informative, erudite and to the point and it's a pity that the newb throws it off course. *p.s. Beacon, im not engaging in a slagging contest so any response will be unanswered*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Chapeau View Post
    My first post...

    I quoted this Beacon chap as he seems to enjoy taking the story off topic and it is a pity as most of the content is knowledgeable, informative, erudite and to the point and it's a pity that the newb throws it off course. *p.s. Beacon, im not engaging in a slagging contest so any response will be unanswered*
    Welcome to real scam. Your comments on Banners Broker are appreciated if and when you supply any information about them.

    1. You did NOT quote me as the above was by your admission your FIRST post. It contains no quote from me or attributed to me. Please get your facts straight.

    2. I did not personally attack anyone at any stage. I pointed out that if one claims things like " there is no such thing as wrong and right ..it all depends on the personal point of view" then one can justify anything at all! ANYTHING. Whether that is Banners Broker is a fair business or the Holocaust never happened. that is NOT off topic. It is how one can move from the general argument to a particular example but how one can not make a particular point and generalise it as if it were true in all cases.

    3. I am not a "newb". If you look under my name you will NOT see "junior member".
    If you look at how may "likes" I have had you might well see that your perception that I am a "noob" is incorrect.

    How much of this thread have you actually read? When you refer to scams in "Cork" to whom/what do you specifically refer and when did it occur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    The Court website is today still showing the case as 'Pending'.
    Now listing "disposed"bento disposed.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon View Post
    Now listing "disposed"bento disposed.jpg
    7. The investigating officer has expressed a reasonable
    apprehension that the applicant who is foreign national might not
    be available for investigation or trial if the accounts are defreezed.
    The possibility of the amount being not available for settlement of
    the claims of the innocent investors also cannot be ruled out. The
    offence is on economic offence involving a huge sum of money.
    Therefore, in my view, request for defreezing of the accounts
    cannot be granted at this stage.

    9. Since the applicant has sought permission to travel
    abroad, the office premises shall be released from attachment only
    upon her return to Goa so as to ensure that she returns to Goa and
    makes herself available for investigation.
    10. Hence, the application is partly granted. The office
    premises of the accused company, Banners Broker India Ltd at
    59/60, Block B, 2nd floor, Alfran Plaza, Panaji, shall be released
    from attachment only after the applicant returns to Goa from
    abroad and reports to the Investigating Officer on 05/03/2013.
    On the other issue
    This is an application for permission to travel abroad
    for a period of two weeks and to direct the investigating officer to
    return the passport of the applicant.
    ...
    5. Learned Advocate for the applicant has submitted that
    the complainant is the actual culprit and the applicant has not
    committed any offence as she became the Managing Director of the
    Company only in the month of May 2012. He has submitted that
    the applicant has to attend a Conference at Manchester relating to
    her business and that the applicant is ready to disclose her address
    and contact details to the investigating officer. He has also
    submitted that the applicant’s husband and daughter reside in Goa
    and therefore, there are no chances of her absconding. He has
    prayed that the applicant be allowed to travel abroad for a period
    of two weeks in order to attend the conference at Manchester and
    to make some arrangements at Portugal.
    6. Learned APP and the Investigating Officer have
    contended that the applicant is a foreign national and there is
    every possibility that once she is permitted to travel abroad, she
    might not return to India and thereby the investigation and the
    trial will be hampered.
    4
    7. The applicant is admittedly a Portuguese National and
    presently, the Managing Director of the accused company, Banners
    Brokers India Ltd. The applicant has placed on record letter dated
    03/02/2013 which reveals that the Head Office of the accused
    company is hosting a Conference in Manchester, England from
    22/02/2013 to 24/02/2013 and the applicant’s presence at the
    Conference is required to report on the status of the company
    Banners Brokers India Ltd regarding sales, activity and current
    issues.
    8. The applicant has stated that she wants to first travel
    to Portugal to arrange for the Conference, then to Manchester to
    attend the Conference and thereafter again to Portugal to make
    family arrangements and then to India. The applicant has
    undertaken to furnish her visit details to the Investigating Officer
    along with her whereabouts from time to time.
    9. In my view, considering the reasons disclosed by the
    applicant for her travel to Portugal and England, the permission as
    sought can be granted on conditions. As regards the apprehension
    of the respondents that the applicant being a foreign national may
    abscond, it may be noted here that the request for defreezing of
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    accounts of the applicant and the company has been rejected.
    Since the accounts of the applicant and the accused company are
    freezed, there is no likelihood of the applicant absconding. Further,
    this Court has granted the applicant’s request to release the office
    premises on condition that the same shall be released only after
    the applicant returns to Goa and reports to the investigating officer
    on 05/03/2013. Further, if security is taken from the applicant, the
    same will ensure her return to Goa.
    10. Hence, the application is granted. The applicant is
    permitted to travel abroad i.e. to Portugal, then to Manchester,
    England and then again to Portugal for a period of two weeks from
    the date of this order on the following conditions:-
    a) The applicant shall deposit an amount of Rupees Two Lakhs in
    this Court as security for her return to Goa.
    b) The applicant shall furnish her address, contact details and
    whereabouts to the investigating officer and also inform the
    investigating officer about any change in the same,
    c) The applicant shall return to Goa within the period of two weeks
    and shall report to the investigating officer on 05/03/2013 at 10:00
    a.m.
    6
    d) The office premises of the accused company shall be released
    from attachment only after the applicant returns to Goa and
    reports to the investigating officer on 05/03/2013.
    11. The investigating officer shall return the passport to the
    applicant to enable her to travel abroad as stated hereinabove. The
    applicant on her return to Goa shall deposit her passport with the
    investigating officer.
    Pronounced in the Open Court.
    (Ms.Dvijple V. Patkar)
    Judicial Magistrate First

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon View Post
    On the other issue
    I'm not aware Bento appeared in Manchester. Does anyone have any evidence that she did?

    I would think the lawyer in India should be aware that the legal basis for her release was based on her being MD India since May 2012 but the UK "head office" company only existed after or around the time of her arrest. In fact no evidence of the Bone fides of any Banners Broker company was produced. This is a line that can now be pursued since the/her assets are currently frozen in India.
    Last edited by Beacon; 02-28-2013 at 09:46 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beacon View Post
    Now listing "disposed"
    Ah yes, so it is under Case Status'Civil and Criminal Courts', I was still looking at the original one in 'District and Sessions Court'.
    Q & A with Terry Stern - Q&A with Terry Stern
    Banners Broker busted in India - Investment firm accused of duping investors
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    nice find Beacon! Clarifies the situation, so complete lies again from BB!

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    This is the 'final order'. Doesn't sound like the case is over just yet! She gets the office back when she returns, but the investigation still goes on.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    Q & A with Terry Stern - Q&A with Terry Stern
    Banners Broker busted in India - Investment firm accused of duping investors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papaponzi View Post
    Not an online translator, its been put thru an article spinner, and created as a buffer page for a dodgy backlinking strategy, it goes like this

    1) take an article about banners brokers, then "spin it" into many unique articles that make no sense grammatically but google would consider unique banners brokers content, put each unique article on a web 2.0 site such as in this case orbs.
    2) have the orb article point to the "money site" in this case ben poultons you tube banners brokers channel
    3) run a backlinking software program creating tens of thousands of links to the orb page using forum and comment spam
    4) sit back and watch google crawl all the links, which are all ultimately pointing to ben poultons you tube page with the anchor text "banners brokers"
    5) gullible investor searches "banners brokers" in google or you tube where ben poulton ranks highly, and hey presto sign up into ben poultons banners brokers downline.
    6) ben poulton pays his spammer from his winnings and moves onto his next scam


    This is the backlink profile of the orbs page you are referring to
    Attachment 3221

    288 of the links have the anchor text "banners broker"

    over in blackhat world which is the hangout of the not so morally restrained internet marketers, they say this
    Attachment 3222
    considering what else goes on in blackhatworld, it is a the biggest red flag going that they don't approve of banners brokers, we're talking about a forum that trades click frauds, pirate porn content, buys and sells ebay and paypal accounts, sells hijacked twitter and facebook accounts, and just below the surface buys and sells stolen and cloned credit card details and offers services such as hacking into competitors websites, these guys pull the strings on MMG, talkgold etc with multiple identities.

    Since the average user over there is clued up on Internet Marketing it is not surprise that they consider banners brokers a complete joke

    If blackhatworld consider banners brokers to be a scam then run for your life.
    So he's admitting the 'banners' they claim to sell don't even work. lol Why wouldn't he be using his own product?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    a) suspect posters on an anti scam forum

    or

    b) suspect some of the victims of the HYIP ponzi fraud with which Mr Stern has forever associated himself ??
    It's not an either/or proposition since a) and b) overlap. In any case, he needs to stop b!tching and take it as a cost of doing business.

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    does someone want to tell him or should I

    WELCOME TO BANNERS BROKER INDIA. A NEW WAY TO EARN REVENUE ONLINE

    note the dates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    Ah yes, so it is under Case Status'Civil and Criminal Courts', I was still looking at the original one in 'District and Sessions Court'.
    Should anyone want to get in touch with them about the case it lists
    1. S T A T E
    (Through P.I. attached to
    CID, Economic Wing,
    Panaji, Goa)
    2. The Asst. Public Prosecutor,
    attached to the JMFC Court,
    Panaji-Goa. … Respondents

    Respondents represented by Learned APP. Ms. J. Santamaria at the
    time of arguments.

    She has been working as a public prosecutor since 2003 I reckon
    http://www.goaprintingpress.gov.in/d...-10-SII-OG.pdf

    Appointment Number 27 on the second page backdated from 2012 to 2003

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