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    It worries me that McDonalds would employ someone who wants to make "ends meat"..[/QUOTE]

    Thanks Theseus. I did actually come across that exact page, but he had other pages all singing the praises of BB - and they now seem to have gone. Also his YT video called something like "BB; A balanced view from Ash".

    "Ends meat" eh - classic!

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    [QUOTE=Joe_Shmoe;46840][B][SIZE=3]
    A nice picture of Stokesy a bodyguard and some other bloke
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    Ah, I always wondered where these boys had got to:
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel.r View Post
    Yearly withdrawals are limited to $500,000? Well I was going to join but in that case forget it.
    I know! that really sucks. It's now going to take the average affiliate an entire year to get $1,000,000 out of the Ponzi pool.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Banners Broker Accountant Interview - Video Dailymotion

    Has anyone posted this yet? Good for a chuckle...

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    [QUOTE=samuel.r;46842]Yearly withdrawals are limited to $500,000?

    Is this a motivator to all the folks with smaller balances that one day if they click hard enough they will have a big balance they can't withdraw? Surely they are kidding that many people beyond the insiders are withdrawing that much, why even make a silly guideline like that? Personally if I was dealing with a company and saw something like this where my money was concerned I would run for the hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HARRISON View Post
    When Zeek was closed down, did any of the 'affiliates' get any money back?
    The receiver is doing his job......Looks like those who lost will get most if not all their money back....The winners are facing claw backs and the receiver is going after them in a big way....Looks like many will have to pay back their profits....
    Zeek thread is here....
    http://www.realscam.com/f10/zeek-rew...ee-member-642/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by samuel.r View Post
    Yearly withdrawals are limited to $500,000?
    Is this a motivator to all the folks with smaller balances that one day if they click hard enough they will have a big balance they can't withdraw? Surely they are kidding that many people beyond the insiders are withdrawing that much, why even make a silly guideline like that? Personally if I was dealing with a company and saw something like this where my money was concerned I would run for the hills.
    It's all about perception.

    People with little or no experience would read that and think

    a) Banners Broker is on top of things
    b) an annual earnings of $500,000 is possible
    c) They have nothing to worry about as they "only" expect to earn under $500,000 anyway.

    As has been pointed out already, HYIP ponzi frauds, just like Nigerian scammers, don't WANT people who think "logically"

    They WANT people who believe they can earn $500,000 simply by "buying panels" or believe there is a recently deceased Nigerian public servant who wants to share a squillion dollars with them
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Our old freind Iain Sherrif apears to be out of BB by all accounts, from memory I read here that his involvement started when he was asked to run the talkingbs forum because he had experience in vbulletin, he also proudly announced banners brokers ads were on his forum and posted in the mirror blog about it, he used to be a regular in here but has not posted for a while, I did read that the talkingbs forum was reluanched and upgraded so I guess Iain Sherrif must have been deep six'd.

    the banners brokers free forum is here UKLows - Index

    And his facebook page, now banners brokers free but still on his timeline until he figures out how to remove it, he has already "Unliked" all the banners brokers pages and gone back to his lowrider ways. http://www.facebook.com/iain.sherriff1?fref=ts

    Iain, your stock took a rise in my book, It takes a big man to swallow that much wrong and walk away, hope it works out for you, and if you havent done so already you should also let your downies know what you know by now.
    Last edited by Papaponzi; 02-26-2013 at 06:54 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Not content with targeting the elderly, Mark Stokes proudly announces his plan to rip off the undead too....

    banners-broker-gala-dinner.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papaponzi View Post
    Our old freind Iain Sherrif apears to be out of BB by all accounts, from memory I read here that his involvement started when he was asked to run the talkingbs forum because he had experience in vbulletin, he also proudly announced banners brokers ads were on his forum and posted in the mirror blog about it, he used to be a regular in here but has not posted for a while, I did read that the talkingbs forum was reluanched and upgraded so I guess Iain Sherrif must have been deep six'd.

    the banners brokers free forum is here UKLows - Index

    And his facebook page, now banners brokers free but still on his timeline until he figures out how to remove it, he has already "Unliked" all the banners brokers pages and gone back to his lowrider ways. http://www.facebook.com/iain.sherriff1?fref=ts

    Iain, your stock took a rise in my book, It takes a big man to swallow that much wrong and walk away, hope it works out for you, and if you havent done so already you should also let your downies know what you know by now.

    I'm not so sure he has....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe View Post

    A nice picture of Stokesy a bodyguard and some other bloke

    Do Banners Broker allow stokes to use their logo all over his blog?

    After all he is at pains to point out that he is an
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    Affiliate of Banners Broker International, not an Official Representative"
    Banners Broker Update and summary of the 3 days at the Reebok Stadium in Bolton | Mark Stokes





    Banners Broker World tour In Manchester UPDATE V2.9 Notes





    Banners Broker Update and summary of the 3 days at the Reebok Stadium in Bolton

    Affiliate of Banners Broker International, not an Official Representative
    What a fantastic event it was in Manchester!! it was my 3rd tour following Portugal in July 2012, and then Dublin November 2012.I have to say this was the most informative of them all.
    I’m looking forward to seeing all the new 2.9v changes Implemented very soon.
    It was very obvious to me Chris Smith (founder) and Raj Dixit (CEO Stellapoint) have every intention of building a business model that will be here for many years to come.
    Raj Dixit said on stage he wanted to “build a sustainable business we can all be proud of and hand down to our children and generations to come”
    David Hooker chief of Compliance and Business development also said Banners Broker had signed a 10 year lease on the offices in manchester, and are looking to employ over 20 full time staff to be the support for the whole of Europe…
    The Gala dinner was great and was so good to meet so many like minded Entrepreneurs all making money in the same business…
    ….I even had chance to meet Chris Smith again


    Gale dinner evening with over 800 people ready to eat dance and be merry…


    Here are my notes from the 3 days

    Banners Broker world

    1. To make a withdrawal you must take in to account your monthly commitment first and the difference betweent that and you balance is all you can withdraw. Same applies to transfer of panels and packages to direct referrals. Account must have enough funds to cover monthly commitments
    2. You will only be able to quality a certain % of panels with traffic pack traffic before you have to qualify a certain % with traffic from the other traffic banks (organic, sales or incentive). Details yet to be worked out. Watch out or more details. Those who have purchased loads of traffic packs before the ratios of traffic pack to other sales credits are determined, there will be a way to reduce the number of packs to even the balance on the restrictions on using traffic pack traffic.
    3. The max withdrawal in a calendar year without restrictions is $500,000. Any amounts beyond that would require 50% direct sales so your maximum withdrawal in a year is $500k plus two times the value of your direct sales.
    4. once you have 10 panels of any one colour you have to have 10% of your panels set to 100% so every 10th panel you qualify should be set at 100%. Say if you have 20 qualified yellows 2 will have to be set at 100%.
    5. For new accounts, for your complementary package to complete, you must have an active campaign running. For all other accounts you’ll need to have active campaigns for your qualified panels to earn revenue. You must use your impressions. The reason is there are thousands of affiliates with loads of impressions sat there not doing anything and they are worth traffic so you need to use them either in the blind network or in the choice network to get organic traffic .
    The very strong message in all the changes is to build a business that will be here to stay. Changes will begin Immediately go through to early April.Note the annual withdrawal limit started on 1st March but backdated to Jan.
    The current delay in payouts was explained in detail but is expected to improve in coming days.
    Charges for contacting support have now been activated and will apply depending on your account type.

    Other changes include:
    From 1 March, Advertising coordinator services will only run for 6 months from signup to allow new members to learn the business. After that every affiliate is expected to manage their own accounts. Arrangements for this service for Existing affiliates will be terminated from 1 August without any cancellation fee.

    Withdrawals for company accounts will be done through STP. Put a support ticket in with the business account details and the STP option will be activated.
    Banners Broker World Tour Niagara falls Incentive

    A new blue boosted panel “the Mercedes panel” Will be created as a promotion to the Niagra annual convention. This will cost $180 and will be in with a chance of winning a Mercedes at the event. Only condition will be that you must attend the convention – dates are mid to end July – details to be confirmed in the next two weeks or so
    At this annual convention, the new BB millionaires will be awarded their gold BB millionaire rings. This will be for accounts that hit the $1M total earnings mark by April this year.

    The new UK General Manager was introduced, she is from Stella Point in Canada. The office is due to open next week …
    if you want more updates and more training go here www.twiceyamoney.com
    Regards
    Mark Stokes

    WOW! The one guy on the top left of the first picture reminds me of "Dracula" Those "EYES" Again Wow! LOL

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    Papaponzi. I can confirm that Iain is still on the BB forums as my buddy on the inside has confirmed he has been posting there tonight.

    There are a lot of people removing their stuff, presumably to avoid the risk of non-compliance. It seems they are trying to come offline when it comes to promoting it.

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    @ Phil & Theseus, I stand corrected

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    This was posted by someone in our group. I believe it came from the "new and improved" TalkingBB but am not sure.

    QUOTE
    This was about the talk with Tery Stern...
    THIS was a real eye-opener and after hearing about the sort of things that were being talked about in the main convention arena, it seems we had a great opportunity to grill Terry on some matters that were not afforded the main body of attendees.

    For example, he gave us an insight into what his role at Stellar Point actually involves.

    He stated that it is part of his duties to ensure the payment situation is resolved so that affiliates are getting paid on time. He actually had it included in his contract that if affiliates didn't get paid then HE doesn't get paid either. It meant that when he stood in front of us and said something like ''trust me, I know what it feels like when you are not getting paid and what a pain in the butt it is'' it was not just 'lip service'. He is in it with us.

    He gave us a little insight into the fact that he had to change his home phone number, was having his home watched, receiving pestering phone calls all hours of the day and night, having his children photographed and a number of other things, all as a result of trying to fix things on the s**m forums. He mentioned he is moving house this week but I am not sure whether this is also a forced move related to the problem.

    Somebody asked him about the slowing of panel movement. He explained that a combination of a few factors had led to this.
    Christmas time slow down in internet usage, new partners coming on board which mean that new systems have to be put in place to link the information, a loss of one partner, which was touched on in the main convention hall on the Sunday and a huge sudden increase in affiliate numbers.

    Basically, any one of these things would normally have little effect on panel speeds, if any, but throw them all in to the pot at the same time and effects are felt.

    His assurance was that he does expect panel speeds to improve in the coming weeks, although he was not able to give any guarantees as to what they may be. Which is fair enough.

    The so called '10% rule' was a hot topic.

    We have since found out, after the Sunday event, that the rule will be that you will not have to have any panels set at 100% until you have at least 10 of that colour. However when we were talking about this on Saturday there was still an uncertainty and many in the room were explaining to Terry that they may have a single Red or Green that currently is set at 100% and it will not allow you to change it.

    Terry's reaction was that this was wrong and his actual statement was ''The rule will be that you have to have at least 10 of a colour before needing to have any set at 100%. Either the rule is as I have just said or I will resign!!''

    He also explained that it falls under his job description to improve the communication between BB management and it's affiliates. He also wants to improve the usability of the software.

    His idea is that affiliates, when they first log in, should be able to view everything they really want to know, all on one single page.

    E-wallet balance, traffic allowances, traffic hits, panels unqualified, traffic pack purchases, sales credits etc all on one page without having to go from page to page to get information.

    This was greeted with much approval.

    I had no idea who Terry Stern was before that day, apart from knowing about his work trying to counter the negative blogs. But after Saturday I have some serious respect for the man.

    He did not shirk a single question. He spoke clearly, concisely, and, most importantly, HONESTLY.

    He stated that he would recommend anyone wanting to contact him to join this forum. He said he would not give anyone his personal e-mail address at work as he gets anything up to 1500 emails a day and if we tried to contact him he could not guarantee when or if he would ever get around to it.

    There was, however, one person there who had a very specific problem and Terry did give him his direct address and gave him his assurance that he would deal with his situation personally.

    If you are reading this, Terry, I want to congratulate you on the way you handled the room and the situation surrounding us being there in the first place.

    I think you have at least 100-150 people from that day who will fully appreciate the job you are doing and, over time, many thousands more.
    UNQUOTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh56 View Post
    This was posted by someone in our group. I believe it came from the "new and improved" TalkingBB but am not sure.

    QUOTE
    This was about the talk with Tery Stern...
    THIS was a real eye-opener and after hearing about the sort of things that were being talked about in the main convention arena, it seems we had a great opportunity to grill Terry on some matters that were not afforded the main body of attendees.

    For example, he gave us an insight into what his role at Stellar Point actually involves.

    He stated that it is part of his duties to ensure the payment situation is resolved so that affiliates are getting paid on time. He actually had it included in his contract that if affiliates didn't get paid then HE doesn't get paid either. It meant that when he stood in front of us and said something like ''trust me, I know what it feels like when you are not getting paid and what a pain in the butt it is'' it was not just 'lip service'. He is in it with us.

    He gave us a little insight into the fact that he had to change his home phone number, was having his home watched, receiving pestering phone calls all hours of the day and night, having his children photographed and a number of other things, all as a result of trying to fix things on the s**m forums. He mentioned he is moving house this week but I am not sure whether this is also a forced move related to the problem.

    Somebody asked him about the slowing of panel movement. He explained that a combination of a few factors had led to this.
    Christmas time slow down in internet usage, new partners coming on board which mean that new systems have to be put in place to link the information, a loss of one partner, which was touched on in the main convention hall on the Sunday and a huge sudden increase in affiliate numbers.

    Basically, any one of these things would normally have little effect on panel speeds, if any, but throw them all in to the pot at the same time and effects are felt.

    His assurance was that he does expect panel speeds to improve in the coming weeks, although he was not able to give any guarantees as to what they may be. Which is fair enough.

    The so called '10% rule' was a hot topic.

    We have since found out, after the Sunday event, that the rule will be that you will not have to have any panels set at 100% until you have at least 10 of that colour. However when we were talking about this on Saturday there was still an uncertainty and many in the room were explaining to Terry that they may have a single Red or Green that currently is set at 100% and it will not allow you to change it.

    Terry's reaction was that this was wrong and his actual statement was ''The rule will be that you have to have at least 10 of a colour before needing to have any set at 100%. Either the rule is as I have just said or I will resign!!''

    He also explained that it falls under his job description to improve the communication between BB management and it's affiliates. He also wants to improve the usability of the software.

    His idea is that affiliates, when they first log in, should be able to view everything they really want to know, all on one single page.

    E-wallet balance, traffic allowances, traffic hits, panels unqualified, traffic pack purchases, sales credits etc all on one page without having to go from page to page to get information.

    This was greeted with much approval.

    I had no idea who Terry Stern was before that day, apart from knowing about his work trying to counter the negative blogs. But after Saturday I have some serious respect for the man.

    He did not shirk a single question. He spoke clearly, concisely, and, most importantly, HONESTLY.

    He stated that he would recommend anyone wanting to contact him to join this forum. He said he would not give anyone his personal e-mail address at work as he gets anything up to 1500 emails a day and if we tried to contact him he could not guarantee when or if he would ever get around to it.

    There was, however, one person there who had a very specific problem and Terry did give him his direct address and gave him his assurance that he would deal with his situation personally.

    If you are reading this, Terry, I want to congratulate you on the way you handled the room and the situation surrounding us being there in the first place.

    I think you have at least 100-150 people from that day who will fully appreciate the job you are doing and, over time, many thousands more.
    UNQUOTE
    Whatever about all the paying affiliates stuff and contract clauses and moving panels etc, time will tell . However, let's address one very important issue here, the accusation that Terry is being hounded by 'forum scum'. Let's look at this logically, where is the one place where we DON'T see fb pages of complaints, vocal up line recruiters, happy clappy facebook pages, big BB players ( HQ players clearly exempt) in fact, it would seem, the least targeted place of interest for BB? What's the one place they seem to be able to fly under the radar? That's right , Canada!

    Now let's look at where the anti BB voice is most vocal, the UK, Ireland , Australia, New Zealand. Who are these people stalking Terry, taking pics of his kids, watching his house?

    I'm beginning to think Terry can't lie straight! Yes, his address was tracked down quite easily on the net, but to infer or suggest that the anti BB forums would stoop to these levels of arranging out of country intimidation?? Why Terry would feel the need to resort to this is anyone's guess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    Whatever about all the paying affiliates stuff and contract clauses and moving panels etc, time will tell . However, let's address one very important issue here, the accusation that Terry is being hounded by 'forum scum'. Let's look at this logically, where is the one place where we DON'T see fb pages of complaints, vocal up line recruiters, happy clappy facebook pages, big BB players ( HQ players clearly exempt) in fact, it would seem, the least targeted place of interest for BB? What's the one place they seem to be able to fly under the radar? That's right , Canada!

    Now let's look at where the anti BB voice is most vocal, the UK, Ireland , Australia, New Zealand. Who are these people stalking Terry, taking pics of his kids, watching his house?



    I'm beginning to think Terry can't lie straight! Yes, his address was tracked down quite easily on the net, but to infer or suggest that the anti BB forums would stoop to these levels of arranging out of country intimidation?? Why Terry would feel the need to resort to this is anyone's guess!
    Not really, as it is very simple. He is going for the sympathy vote so people will not question him in the future when he says stuff that on the surface sounds plausible, but when looked at closely would fall apart. Remember they came away impressed he was being honest while at the same time he was lying through his teeth about the stalkers, phone calls and his other drivel if they didn't get paid, neither did he. Not one person challenged him on these stories, but they all just accepted what he said was the truth. He and BB are no longer the bad guys. It is all of us naysayers/trolls that are the evil ones.

    Of course he did not shirk any questions as they were all softball questions. Wanna bet it would have been different if any of us had been there asking questions?

    So when the problems continue they will all believe he is not getting paid just like them. I am not buying that story for a second let alone a minute. But it is not what I believe it is what those there believed, and they all believed him. He accomplished what he set out to do to give BB cover going forward.
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    Ahhhh! Poor Terry it's all about Terry isn't it, poor poor guy. Except I don't believe a single syllable that pass his lying lips.
    Not one. :)

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh56 View Post
    This was posted by someone in our group. I believe it came from the "new and improved" TalkingBB but am not sure.

    QUOTE
    This was about the talk with Tery Stern...
    THIS was a real eye-opener and after hearing about the sort of things that were being talked about in the main convention arena, it seems we had a great opportunity to grill Terry on some matters that were not afforded the main body of attendees.

    For example, he gave us an insight into what his role at Stellar Point actually involves.

    He stated that it is part of his duties to ensure the payment situation is resolved so that affiliates are getting paid on time. He actually had it included in his contract that if affiliates didn't get paid then HE doesn't get paid either. It meant that when he stood in front of us and said something like ''trust me, I know what it feels like when you are not getting paid and what a pain in the butt it is'' it was not just 'lip service'. He is in it with us.

    He gave us a little insight into the fact that he had to change his home phone number, was having his home watched, receiving pestering phone calls all hours of the day and night, having his children photographed and a number of other things, all as a result of trying to fix things on the s**m forums. He mentioned he is moving house this week but I am not sure whether this is also a forced move related to the problem.

    Somebody asked him about the slowing of panel movement. He explained that a combination of a few factors had led to this.
    Christmas time slow down in internet usage, new partners coming on board which mean that new systems have to be put in place to link the information, a loss of one partner, which was touched on in the main convention hall on the Sunday and a huge sudden increase in affiliate numbers.

    Basically, any one of these things would normally have little effect on panel speeds, if any, but throw them all in to the pot at the same time and effects are felt.

    His assurance was that he does expect panel speeds to improve in the coming weeks, although he was not able to give any guarantees as to what they may be. Which is fair enough.

    The so called '10% rule' was a hot topic.

    We have since found out, after the Sunday event, that the rule will be that you will not have to have any panels set at 100% until you have at least 10 of that colour. However when we were talking about this on Saturday there was still an uncertainty and many in the room were explaining to Terry that they may have a single Red or Green that currently is set at 100% and it will not allow you to change it.

    Terry's reaction was that this was wrong and his actual statement was ''The rule will be that you have to have at least 10 of a colour before needing to have any set at 100%. Either the rule is as I have just said or I will resign!!''

    He also explained that it falls under his job description to improve the communication between BB management and it's affiliates. He also wants to improve the usability of the software.

    His idea is that affiliates, when they first log in, should be able to view everything they really want to know, all on one single page.

    E-wallet balance, traffic allowances, traffic hits, panels unqualified, traffic pack purchases, sales credits etc all on one page without having to go from page to page to get information.

    This was greeted with much approval.

    I had no idea who Terry Stern was before that day, apart from knowing about his work trying to counter the negative blogs. But after Saturday I have some serious respect for the man.

    He did not shirk a single question. He spoke clearly, concisely, and, most importantly, HONESTLY.

    He stated that he would recommend anyone wanting to contact him to join this forum. He said he would not give anyone his personal e-mail address at work as he gets anything up to 1500 emails a day and if we tried to contact him he could not guarantee when or if he would ever get around to it.

    There was, however, one person there who had a very specific problem and Terry did give him his direct address and gave him his assurance that he would deal with his situation personally.

    If you are reading this, Terry, I want to congratulate you on the way you handled the room and the situation surrounding us being there in the first place.

    I think you have at least 100-150 people from that day who will fully appreciate the job you are doing and, over time, many thousands more.
    UNQUOTE
    Do we know who wrote this ****?

    By the way, if memory serves, Terry/David Stern moved house 8/9 times in 2012, so he was long over due a move. Taking pictures of his kids...This idiot would want to get a fuckin grip.
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    Affiliates claiming the big announcement is that the police in India have finished their investigations and have dropped the case.
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    Mr Sterns' "poor me" tactics are similar to those used by two other fraudsters who have come to the attention of some of the members of REALSCAM.com

    Jack Weinzierl and Tim Darnell tried the same stunt, with Darnell going so far as filing a frivolous (and unsuccessful) court action.

    Long time HYIP ponzi stalwart and serial fraudster Justin "Broker" Jones tried his darndest to gain sympathy by inventing a similar story.

    While it may be convenient for Mr Stern and his ilk to point the finger at forums such as this, it should be remembered what "business" they are in.

    It's the business of stealing peoples' money AND it's a "business" which, by its' very nature attracts some of the more disreputable and unprincipled members of society.

    People lose their life savings to fraudsters.

    People lose their pensions and futures to fraudsters.

    All the "woulda, shoulda, couldas" in the world can't disguise the fact peoples' money is stolen, peoples' futures are wrecked and people become very, very angry.

    Throw in the "type" of person attracted to the HYIP ponzi arena and you soon realize anyone involved is playing with fire on a daily basis.

    It's 2013. People in 2013 are a lot less likely to simply lay down and be done over by HYIP ponzis and those behind them than in the past.

    The HYIP ponzi sub culture turns over millions, if not billions of dollars a year, with over 80% of participants ending up as net losers.

    One might suggest the least of Mr Sterns' problems are posters on anti fraud forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh56 View Post
    This was posted by someone in our group. I believe it came from the "new and improved" TalkingBB but am not sure.

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    This was about the talk with Tery Stern...
    THIS was a real eye-opener and after hearing about the sort of things that were being talked about in the main convention arena, it seems we had a great opportunity to grill Terry on some matters that were not afforded the main body of attendees.

    For example, he gave us an insight into what his role at Stellar Point actually involves.

    He stated that it is part of his duties to ensure the payment situation is resolved so that affiliates are getting paid on time. He actually had it included in his contract that if affiliates didn't get paid then HE doesn't get paid either. It meant that when he stood in front of us and said something like ''trust me, I know what it feels like when you are not getting paid and what a pain in the butt it is'' it was not just 'lip service'.

    He is in it with us.
    Many a true word....

    He gave us a little insight into the fact that he had to change his home phone number, was having his home watched, receiving pestering phone calls all hours of the day and night, having his children photographed and a number of other things, all as a result of trying to fix things on the s**m forums. He mentioned he is moving house this week but I am not sure whether this is also a forced move related to the problem.
    The disastrous job he made of that is a far more likely reason for him not being paid, if true. Of course the first thing someone who is under observation would do is state they were moving house (so wouldn't be at that address), in the hope that those watching them would simply stop turning up and their door. As mentioned previously, he does seem to move rather a lot, so who knows...

    Somebody asked him about the slowing of panel movement. He explained that a combination of a few factors had led to this.
    Christmas time slow down in internet usage, new partners coming on board which mean that new systems have to be put in place to link the information, a loss of one partner, which was touched on in the main convention hall on the Sunday and a huge sudden increase in affiliate numbers.
    Yeah, because Christmas is time that traditionally no-one goes online to shop and no-one has free time off work...

    Basically, any one of these things would normally have little effect on panel speeds, if any, but throw them all in to the pot at the same time and effects are felt.
    Instant bs - just add water.

    His assurance was that he does expect panel speeds to improve in the coming weeks, although he was not able to give any guarantees as to what they may be. Which is fair enough.
    He gave an assurance that he couldn't guarantee? Seriously?

    The so called '10% rule' was a hot topic.

    We have since found out, after the Sunday event, that the rule will be that you will not have to have any panels set at 100% until you have at least 10 of that colour. However when we were talking about this on Saturday there was still an uncertainty and many in the room were explaining to Terry that they may have a single Red or Green that currently is set at 100% and it will not allow you to change it.

    Terry's reaction was that this was wrong and his actual statement was ''The rule will be that you have to have at least 10 of a colour before needing to have any set at 100%. Either the rule is as I have just said or I will resign!!''

    He also explained that it falls under his job description to improve the communication between BB management and it's affiliates. He also wants to improve the usability of the software.

    His idea is that affiliates, when they first log in, should be able to view everything they really want to know, all on one single page.

    E-wallet balance, traffic allowances, traffic hits, panels unqualified, traffic pack purchases, sales credits etc all on one page without having to go from page to page to get information.

    This was greeted with much approval.
    Because we had no idea what he was wittering on about, but didn't want to seem like the guy who doesn't get the joke.

    I had no idea who Terry Stern was before that day, apart from knowing about his work trying to counter the negative blogs. But after Saturday I have some serious respect for the man.

    He did not shirk a single question. He spoke clearly, concisely, and, most importantly, HONESTLY.

    He stated that he would recommend anyone wanting to contact him to join this forum. He said he would not give anyone his personal e-mail address at work as he gets anything up to 1500 emails a day and if we tried to contact him he could not guarantee when or if he would ever get around to it.

    There was, however, one person there who had a very specific problem and Terry did give him his direct address and gave him his assurance that he would deal with his situation personally.

    If you are reading this, Terry, I want to congratulate you on the way you handled the room and the situation surrounding us being there in the first place.

    I think you have at least 100-150 people from that day who will fully appreciate the job you are doing and, over time, many thousands more.
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    Which is a bit different from what happened over at Finchsells, where he shirked the majority of the questions and was anything but clear, concise or most importantly, HONEST....

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Affiliates claiming the big announcement is that the police in India have finished their investigations and have dropped the case.
    Even if true BB cannot use this as good news for them as they have spent weeks claiming that the investigation was against an individual not BB itself. Can't have it both ways scammers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Stern
    Christmas time slow down in internet usage,
    It doesn't matter how many times people warn HYIP ponzi newbies to be prepared for the usual HYIP ponzi "Black December" period, shills and pimps like to trot out the "slowdown in internet usage" excuse to cover the fact their favourite cash cow is running out of money as people try to withdraw the "earnings" they have been purposely leaving in their account for Christmas spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Even if true BB cannot use this as good news for them as they have spent weeks claiming that the investigation was against an individual not BB itself. Can't have it both ways scammers.
    Is it true?

    Just checked, its untrue.
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    There actually hasn’t been an official announcement on the UK office and the address of that as yet. I thought they were supposed to have that in place before the tour event.

    In addition, I have seen lots of commentary saying the new StellarPoint adviser for the UK has been appointed but no actual name. Also I found it interesting that nobody (in Banners Broker) is concerned that it is someone from Canada rather than the UK.

    What did the UK tour event actually achieve, other than to introduce a new system and take in lots more victims?
    Just looking to seek the truth.

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