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    tdstern says 'Thanks to your posting my home address, my picture and a picture of my home, I find out that there have been 3 people already that have come by and harassed my neighbours looking for information about me and spreading rumors about the company I work for. My girlfriend having learned this is so worried for her and her daughte that she will not stay in the house until such time as this has been resolved, in fact I just had to drive her to her parents house because some asshole woke us up to verify that I am "That" Terry Stern working for Stellar Point. This is what your objective is?"

    Your 'girlfriend is so worried that she will not stay in the house' having heard that 3 people had called to neighbours. Then you say, you had to wake up your girlfriend's daughter and move her out of the house? She is either there or she isn't?

    That said, where is your evidence that this 'alleged' incident was as a result of an old post on RS? How many affiliates reside in the GTA? How many are getting fed up with all the excuses being doled out for non payment? How many are now doing their own due diligence on you? Knowing what we know, your accusation is beyond random, without evidence.

    Is it just me guys or does anyone else smell a rat? Is BB on the way out and are the fingers going to be pointed here for convenience? What's your objective Terry?

    Echo's of ' fight them on the forums' just springs to mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tstern
    If you don't have any proof, what you're doing is called defamation of character,
    Which is why we're asking, no, BEGGING, Banners Broker to set their "crack legal" team on us and get this into court

    There's this funny little tradition in courts, Terry.

    It's called "discovery"

    Before you go shooting your mouth off and making empty threats, you might like to spend a few minutes consulting with the Banners Broker legal team and ask them exactly why it is they fear the word so much and why they won't follow through with their plan.

    Better still, why not consult a REAL legal team and ask them, instead.

    The Banners Broker crack legal team, just like its' "blind network" exists only in the minds of Banners Broker victims.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    And how would someone "verify" a Ponzi?

    Let me see.
    No management details or history provided
    - Irrelevant. Many companies don't post this information online. Not an indicator of a ponzi.
    Could you list say THREE such companies who have a turnover in the hundreds of millions and have hundreds of thousands of clients worldwide and hold a market position as one of the top ten suppliers in any market? BB claims to do all that as far as I know. So can you list three such companies wher we do niot know
    The background of the CEO
    The background of the Board members
    The structure of the company -0 the actual LEGAL setup e.g. Articles of Association or shareholder information not available and statutory annual returns not made.?
    good luck with finding even one such company Terry
    Oh sorry I take that back Banners Broker and Stellar Point are such companies. Yes there are a few examples but they are not international players as BB And SP claim they are only emnpty claims based on people believing the empty claims. I dont doubt millions have been scammed but I dont think and real business exists ans BB or SP have not filed any audited accounts showing it does.
    I should have stated "good luck finding a company like that which is NOT a scam"

    Offshore cash dealings
    - Commonplace in the business world today by most of the world's major corporations.
    BB ior SP are NOT a major corporation.
    Also major corporations DONT have one room offices in the Isle of Man India or Belize with just a nameplate on the door like Monotize Group Banners Broker International or Stellar Point.
    Stellar Point is the most legit looking of the lot Ill give you that. But you dont even know who the shareholders or directors are Terry. I however do know.

    Scant corporate identity
    - Define "scant".
    No offices with staff in them.
    No properties or tangible assets.
    Web persence with no corporate boards listed.
    Correspondence which reads like a email scam referring to "the BB Team" or "BB management" and no actual name.
    No certificates of complaince form any statutory body.
    Links to other corporates who have been listed for money laundering or who have similar "scant" presence. Like all thiose companies listed on the real banners in the SP offices.

    No annual audited accounts
    - Incorrect. You just don't have access to them.
    If they are audited they are filed with the company authorities and are public access.

    Kiibotec. ( you do know who owned and ran that?) was struck off for not filing
    https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/Corp...l?locale=en_CA

    Ill admit this Stellar Point didnt file returns until about late December ( like the 28/29th Ill check that if you want)
    I forgot to get them
    They have filed 2011 and 2012 returns
    If you refuse to supply them RS can.
    Now while you claim 100 employees what is your guess as to whether SP will have the actual turnover necessary to employ a hundred people at even minimum wage?
    That would entail paying say $7 an hour for say a part time a twenty hour week $14,000 a week to minimum wage part timers.
    My guess is the greedy scammers dont want to give anyone $700,000 a year that they could keep for themselves.
    Furthermore they would have to dio real work like dealing with staff training and complaints and management, unions, health care , pensions. They would actually have to care about their staff.

    No I really dont think the annual returns will show any suggestion of this.
    But you are free to produce them before we do Terry.

    No tax returns
    - Incorrect. You just don't have access to them.
    See my last comment. How much tax did SP pay in 1012. If they had 100 employees on part time minimum wage ther would be tens of thousands in health and incometax and pensions contributions. Now I havent seen it but my guess is there isnt! Here is your big chance to prove me wrong Terry.

    My guess is that like the Isle of Man Company SP was a shelf company for the last three years.

    History of operators in prior scams
    - I do not have a history as such, nor does anyone else have any affiliation.
    Come on Terry the jewelry outfit you and Hooker came from has scant corporate presence as well.
    Raj and Lorenzo Guarini were mixed up in IMF World homes scam. Like you in SP they were directors and on the IMF board.

    Kul Josun was "sacked" from the company around the beginning of July 2012. so he just walked away from a 200 million a year company? Neither him or BB did anything about each other after that? A 200 million a year company and not a word about it?

    No actual evidence of any core business
    - The evidence is there, you won't accept it. The evidence is verifiable, you just won't verify it.
    Nope because BB claim it is a "blind " network so you cant see the actual adverts. Not a single one!
    Trillions of ads claimed but you cant see one anywhere?
    The advert business is like the Emperors new clothes. It doers not exist. If you could actually produce ANY evidence of adverts people would have to accept it.
    Where is it?

    Operation of scheme having continual cash logjams delays and continual excuses made for them
    - Commonplace in the Direct Sales industry.
    Rubbish! Ther are continual promises of deadlines and yet every single one is missed and more excuses made! That isnt normal operation!

    Unprofessional communications and methods of communication
    - Communications were stated as something the company was working to address. Change takes time.
    Just another excuse! How long? And when you put a deadline you never achieve it!
    You are apparently responsible for public communiations Terry but I really dont see how your level of experience or background or current performance would give you anyone any confidence in Stellar Point. Dont take this personally but you just have neither the experience or background in communications or public relations to be representing a 200 million dollar a year company.

    Police arresting people operating the "business"
    - No-one in Banners Broker has been arrested for anything.
    The courts evidence from India was produces showing Ms. Bento was detained and is awaiting legal process in India.
    Files were also seized.
    The case is a CRIMINAL case. To charge someone with a criminal offence you have to arrest them and bring them before a court.
    Okay it is possible she was summonsed but I dont believe that. I believe Ms Bento was taken into custody = arrested when the Goa offices of Banners Broker were raided.
    It just may be se volunteered to go. I haven't contacted the Indian police to ask them that in particular.

    As I've said, you have no proof, no means to verify your statements.
    Oh I have. We have the court records. Ms Bento had CERTAINLY been charged under the Criminal Code.

    I've also never placed any of my personal information on this website for people to view, neither have I placed my house in the public view. The image you're using is an image over 3 years old that was never removed from that site.
    So you are claiming the masonic jewellery business was not you at all? In spite of you yourself mentioning it here?
    Clearly if it was you and if you are the same Terry Stern now working for Banners Broker you placed this information in the public domain YOURSELF!

    It's easy for you to hide behind made-up names, point the finger calling a company a scam, but you can't even verify your identity let alone that what you're saying is the truth.
    I have supplied the actual official doccuments supporting my points. all except the Stellar Point annual returns.
    I reserve that for later.

    I'm not anon. I post on other points and on other subjects in my own real world identity. I have several internet identities which over ther years I have kept separate. In the past I have written about Nazis and published for Law Enforcement on football hooliganism for example. One does not like to get mixed up with neo nazis Holocaust deniers or hooligans and give them ones name and address.

    It would make a difference if anything you've accused Banners Broker of was actually true, but it's not.
    Care to list what I posted which is wrong?
    Is the charge against Ms Bento not true?
    Is Stellar Point not just a renaming of Banners Broker canada and Raj and gloria Dixit not the shareholdres?

    Did not Lornezo work with Raj in the IMF world Homes scam?

    Do you not operate a jewelery business from home and use Paypal for it?
    Does SP / BB not refuse to use Paypal?

    You have nothing to substantiate your claims, other than circumstantial evidence, which hardly breeds "ponzi" or scam.
    Actual legal doccuments. Puiblished sources from newspapers. History of the people involved. clear lack of professional styandards and complaince stabndards.
    All are verifiable.
    You want access to information and claim "foul" when you're told no. Like spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum.
    the accountws are publically available.
    I have access to that information.
    I have access to more information as weel such as names and addresses of various people.
    I dont think you really want me to be posting that. Raj will get very upset just like you did should people start knocking on their doors.

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    When you make claims against a company, you have to have proof to back up your claims, something you've failed to do.
    [/quote]

    Which specific claimk do you assert I have not backed up.
    By the way Banners Broker is a scam. If it isnt then their "crack legal " team com come and visit me. Ill give them my address or Ill go to their offices or meet them in public.
    Where are they? Affiliates were promised they would deal with detractors. Wher are they?

    If you don't have any proof, what you're doing is called defamation of character,
    I agree. I am aware of the law.
    1. I have provided the proof
    2. Please sue me for defamation. Im happy to go to court on this. I already have a barrister ready.
    See? I have my own legal team. Not alone but there is another legal thing called "discovery". If you operate only in criminal law you might not be aware of it. Please look it up.
    and providing personal information placed out-of-context in a forum created for exposing unethical organizations, isn't legal, it's the improper use of personal information used for malicious purposes aka illegal. So far, the only ones committing a crime are the people on this site.
    1. the information is not provided by us but even if it was it is not out of context.
    2. Please sue me if you wish Id love to meet your "crack legal team" . I studied a bity of law too by the way. Where did they study?
    3. Criminal defamation does not exist in my juristiction so I guess it will have to be the civil court but the point is even if it were true it CANT BE A CRIME as you claim
    4. Fraud however is a crime and Im happy to be a witness in such a case.

    You're the type of people that you claim to be warning people against...criminals.
    Correect. Fraudsters and scammers and conmen - criminals. Defamers are not criminals in my juristiction but I dont defame people in any case.

    Not a single one of you actually wants to know the truth. I haven't seen one single fact you've toted as being so that's actually a fact.
    REally?
    Stellar Point changed its name from Banners Broker six mohnths ago - FACT
    Raj claimed Stellar Point was another company "contracted to Banners Broker " he didnt mention it was the same company with a simple name change.
    FACT
    Ms Bento is charged with a criminal offence in India - FACT
    Banners Broker has no official accounts showing a 200 million a year business - FACT
    You ahve no qualifications or background in Public Relations - FACT
    Chris Smith has no available background in the areas he claims to have studied in college - FACT
    Raj Dixit has a past in non compliance ( Kibotec) and scam businesses ( IMF World Homes) - FACT
    Banners Brioker India is a company owned by the person who reported Ms Bento to the police -FACT

    I've seen assumptions and distractions through manipulating what I've said, but no actual facts to support your arguments. And you claim you're doing a service. Bullshit.
    You also seem to have seen the Emperors new suit. Maybe you should ride off into the sunset on your unicorn now?

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    Re: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerrygo View Post
    I wish you would not leave the forum DevaEboracum. I much prefer your postings to the rambling philosophical debates, and insulting manner of Beacon
    I second Jerrygo's request that you stay! There is room for everyone here and everyone's imput is important :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    And how would someone "verify" a Ponzi?
    In this case, the ponzi can be defined as an organisation with an affiliate pool where the pool brings nothing to the table. The pool do no "work" except perform a few mouse-clicks. The pool do nothing except give BB money and (according to BB) get much more back in return. Thus affiliates only cost BB money. The affiliates are commercially useless. Why therefore have them? They are utterly pointless. UNLESS BB is a ponzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevaEboracum View Post
    I

    Sorry you feel such about the (limited amount of) stuff I have posted. I was hoping the snippets of Facebook info, emails received etc. would be of some interest to the people in this forum who know what they are doing with investigations (unlike me) and maybe something they could use in some way. Now I know otherwise I will cease and leave you to it.
    I am sorry I do apologise. I thought you had not posted ANYTHING before your last post. I am sorry for that error. All information is welcome. And I may not like peooples opinions but I will defend their right to post them.
    OI once ment Saliman rushdie and raised a similar issue with him. He explained ther was a movie in the UK in which he was a sort of "devil" who is captured by Bin Laden and tied between two bent over palm trees and eventually executed. The film was banned and he wrote to the UK censor insisting it be put on. It ran for a week and the theatre closed due to lack of interesrt.
    The point however is that democracy isnt about being free to speak about what you want or watch porn or whatever it is also about tolerating what you dont want like Holocaust deniers or people with different religious views to yours.
    i draw the line when such people start taking other peoples money or property. That is called stealing.
    We should not tolerate fraud theft or exploitation.

    the BB scam is just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post

    Not a single one of you actually wants to know the truth. .Bullshit
    On 15th Jan in Finch's blog you wrote "One such issue was in fact in the UK, where the representative there started charging affiliates for support when he should have referred them to BBI. He also signed up people under false pretenses to the tune of $4 Million which he placed in an offshore account."

    Was this "the truth" Terry?

    Have you sat down and discussed this story with the authorities yet?

    I'm sure they'd be all ears :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    And this - so affiliates aren't even allowed to use the logo of the 'business' that they are supposed to represent!


    Banners Broker with Mark Longman Hi Mohammed yes best to so they can review it and not lock your account! Create the fan page and get them to look at it. just don't use any BB logos or screen shots also you have to state you are an affiliate and not directly associated with BB! hope that helps just got my blog and fanpage authorised by them.
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    In light of the above comment, how about a competition for the best non-BB, BB logo! The winner will receive a grand tour of the Stellar Point premises, courtesy of Terry Stern. David Hooker will judge - post your entries here, and email them to David direct on davidh@scammersrus.ca

    You don't see Amway or Herbalife stifling the use of their logo like this.
    Finally a truthful post from them. You can be 'affiliated' to them by giving them money but don't dare expect to be 'associated' with them when it comes time to pay back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post


    Poor baby. attempts at setting malware on this site failing miserably? lol. jackass.
    And you cut in line. It was roger's turn to come up with more lies and feeble excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    I've also never placed any of my personal information on this website for people to view

    Finchsells

    When I confronted Terry Stern over this lack of compliance with the truth from BB’s leading compliance officer, I received this:

    “I’ve spoken to Mr. Hooker regarding this matter, and he’s clearly stated that he, like any company, advised our affiliates against getting caught up in the inaccurate and misleading information that these blogs are putting out there. As far as stating your wife being an affiliate, he may have mis-spoken when referring to your mother, however, this is public information as you’ve posted it on your site


    Oooooops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypanor View Post
    Can anyone recall when exactly terrys address and picture of his house was posted here? I don't remember seeing it.
    It's yet another scammer lie.

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    Originally posted by [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/****.gif[/IMG]

    Thanks to your posting my home address, my picture and a picture of my home, I find out that there have been 3 people already that have come by and harassed my neighbours looking for information about me and spreading rumors about the company I work for. My girlfriend having learned this is so worried for her and her daughte that she will not stay in the house until such time as this has been resolved, in fact I just had to drive her to her parents house because some asshole woke us up to verify that I am "That" Terry Stern working for Stellar Point. This is what your objective is?

    Posting your lies wasn't enough, now you have to involve people's families, neighbours and friends with your bullshit to the point where thier personal lives are now affected by it. In 20 years in working with MLM and Direct sales companies I've never had this happen, now all of the sudden it's happening because some people have chips on their shoulders and nothing else.
    From page 76 of the scammers handbook. You should have checked with the scammer 'broker' jones (irony). He already used that excuse here when he was trying to defend his scam.

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    Beacon,You put it all together in a great way,with lot of details and unbeatable facts.What we can await here and get from BB armada is endless rejection.I am sure - even having verdict against Smith as a scammer and BB as a ponzi,nothing would change their attitude except that we would be declared as nasty conspirators...Zeek case shows it well...when I look all the talkings we had here on this forum with BB devotees,don't You think it looks more as talking to washing machine or wardrobe?..why didn't I say to cat or dog?..even horse?...I bet You know why

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    On 15th Jan in Finch's blog you wrote "One such issue was in fact in the UK, where the representative there started charging affiliates for support when he should have referred them to BBI. He also signed up people under false pretenses to the tune of $4 Million which he placed in an offshore account."

    Was this "the truth" Terry?

    Have you sat down and discussed this story with the authorities yet?

    I'm sure they'd be all ears :)
    Yep. scammers got upset that someone else beat them to the punch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theseus View Post
    Agreed. Most sole traders, or very small businesses don't. Companies who claim to have 300,000 affiliates/business partners and a turnover in the hundreds of millions, without fail, do. I'd have thought you, with all of your (admittedly self-proclaimed) expertise in the field would realise that in this day and age people don't expect those in charge of large companies to hide away behind false names and nominee directors in tax havens.
    Bullshit. Private companies don't release the kind of information you're requesting. Publicly traded companies do, private companies don't...because they don't have to.


    [QUOTE]
    The "evidence" for what it's worth, is nonsense, and deliberately designed so that it can't be disproven.[QUOTE]

    That's rich. I come on here to explain how BBI works, and because you can't argue the description of the process, you claim it's nonesense. That's pathetic. You can't argue with the truth, so in your mind it's not the truth. What a surprise, you can't keep calling a company a scam if it's actually legit, so you reject the formal explanation, wich can be verified if you actually do the research you claim to be doing. There goes your credibility. Deliberately designed so it can't be disproven.


    I don't think time is on your side there, Terry. At the rate you're going BB will be done and dusted long before anything is addressed.
    So far, you've demonstrated nothing of factual evidence that would support this claim. What you are doing is harassing people, making wild defamatory accusations based on circumstantial complaints by a small number of people and claiming it represents everyone.


    The situation is easily remedied, publish the requested information and data, prove us wrong and we'll shut up and go away
    Yeah, because you've all demonstrated you can be trusted with any information that's given to you. Face it, you villianize companies that you don't understand because your limited intelligence says they're bad. You make outlandish requests for information that isn't relevant, and then say it is and our unwillingness to provide it to you shows we're hiding things. Of course we're not going to share certain information, you blow things out of proportion to the point where you initiate panic, and abuse the information provided in order to harass businesses and individuals to the point where it causes genuine problems for the people running the business. Prove you can be trusted is more accurate. Prove you have a reason to call the company a scam without rejecting official statements.

    Even the police now refrain from giving names of people being questioned during their investigations, because people jump to conclusions, ignore the facts, and take it upon themselves to inflict justice even though there's no actual cause for doing so. The news is full of reports on how people like you feel it's your right to inflict justice on others, burning down houses, harassing people's kids at school, causing a scene at their workplace. People that have no evidence, just a rumor that the person MIGHT be involved, so they instigate attacks, only later to find out the person was innocent...and yet those idiots still claim they were right.


    Top tip, Terry: the information is all in the public domain, if you don't wish it to be there, don't post it on your website!
    My webste is a business website, and the information was for the purpose of addressing product returns, not posted on a website forum by a bunch of amateurs with no sense of what's right or wrong.


    I'm pretty sure every one of us can verify our own identities. A look in the mirror is usually the quickest way to do it...
    Yet another reason why the company isn't going to show you anything. To you this is a joke, something to take up time, but to others it's their livelyhood, and you're making their lives complicated for no other reason than because you can. You can't prove a single accusation you've made against the company, all your 'facts' are complete and utter fabrications to do one thing, to see how much damage you can inflict.

    The evidence has certainly been strong enough from this side to verifiably pique the interest of law enforcement in India, The Netherlands and Canada. I would also wager the UK authorities will be having a look too. It'll be interesting to see if they buy your tales of "blind networks" and ever-shifting advertising banners....
    What evidence? Nothing you've actually said about the company has been accurate, so how is that evidence? You're using circumstantial reports as evidence? The incident in India is against an individual, not the company. There's absolutely no investigation by the authorities in either The Netherlands or Canada, so more fabrications by you.



    Alternatively, pop back over to Finchsells and fill in the answers on those 18 questions you avoided previously.....
    You mean the questions that try to get the company to provide answers about being something it isn't? Or how about answer questions regarding detailed company information that no-one here is actually entitled to? Why would ANY company answer questions that have nothing to do with how it operates, or release information to anonymous people who make baseless accusations against it?



    You've hijacked the reputation of a legitmate company, are holding its officers and employees hostage through baseless accusations and posting the personal information of its officers, becuase you THINK the company is one thing, but can't prove it, so you want it to admit it's what you claim it is, or you'll continue attacking it, its suppliers and employees until it submits. Any attempts by the company to straighten the mess out through providing a detailed description of how the system works and answering questions is immediately ignored and dismissed as "nonesense" because you actually can't prove them wrong.

    I stand behind everything I've said, and have already proven through personal research and due diligence that the company is who they say they are, and are doing what they're doing. That's why I'm working with them. I've put my name and reputation up as validation, something not one of you can say you've done here. What validates your integrity and the truth in your words?

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    I'll let Theseus answer for himself, but seeing as you brought it up, how many staff does SP have, do these numbers include BB Canada back office and are they all based in Carlow Court?

    Also, you recently mentioned, I believe in Finch's blog, that you ( the company) would soon be showing info on it's senior people on it's website, when will that be done and will details on Chris Smith's background be included?

    Lastly, BB have stated time and time again, that recruiting is not a requirement to 'grow ' your profit in BB. That being the case, that you don't need new affiliates, why bother with us over here at all, why do you see this forum as a threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    I stand behind everything I've said, and have already proven through personal research and due diligence that the company is who they say they are, and are doing what they're doing. That's why I'm working with them. I've put my name and reputation up as validation, something not one of you can say you've done here. What validates your integrity and the truth in your words?
    Terry you lied about OpenX. Why?

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    Brenda, why worry? Because people here have already demonstrated that your goal isn't to find the truth about BB, but slander its name through accusations, and harass its officers and their families because you think they're part of a scam, and abuse any official information provided to them to cause as much havoc as possible.

    Samuel.r, I didn't lie about OpenX actually, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter.

    And Mrs. Dobrott, aka littleroundman, I wonder how your husband Paul would feel if people started to harass him and visit your home in Texas making unsubstantiated claims over something you've been accused of without your accusers having any real proof of you or your company's wrongdoing? Not so much fun when things get personal is it? Isn't that the reason you use 4 different aliases and not your real name when you post on here? It's easier to attack people and companies when they can't identify you, but when they know who you are and where you live, things get a little more real don't they?

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    Why are you here Terry?
    "if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
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    Bullshit. Private companies don't release the kind of information you're requesting. Publicly traded companies do, private companies don't...because they don't have to.
    Actually you're wrong there, Terry. Whilst it might not be a legal requirement to do so, most companies of the size of BBI will publish background information on their management team, it's good, basic, PR. Which you'd know, had you any experience in that field at all...



    Theseus

    The "evidence" for what it's worth, is nonsense, and deliberately designed so that it can't be disproven.
    That's rich. I come on here to explain how BBI works, and because you can't argue the description of the process, you claim it's nonesense. That's pathetic. You can't argue with the truth, so in your mind it's not the truth.
    You didn't explain it though, did you? You spouted a lot of nonsense about "blind networks" and "confidentiality", but there wasn't one iota of verifiable data provided to back up your claims. You may as well have been saying they sold unicorn eggs.



    So far, you've demonstrated nothing of factual evidence that would support this claim.
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    What you are doing is harassing people, making wild defamatory accusations based on circumstantial complaints by a small number of people and claiming it represents everyone.
    You have a legal department to handle such things, don't you?


    Yeah, because you've all demonstrated you can be trusted with any information that's given to you. Face it, you villianize companies that you don't understand because your limited intelligence says they're bad. You make outlandish requests for information that isn't relevant, and then say it is and our unwillingness to provide it to you shows we're hiding things. Of course we're not going to share certain information, you blow things out of proportion to the point where you initiate panic, and abuse the information provided in order to harass businesses and individuals to the point where it causes genuine problems for the people running the business. Prove you can be trusted is more accurate. Prove you have a reason to call the company a scam without rejecting official statements.
    The case against Banners Broker has been laid out, in great detail here, on Finchsells and numerous other blogs and newspapers, you were (twice) presented the opportunity to prove us all wrong, but instead of answering a few, simple,basic questions you chose to avoid them and instead rambled on about the magical "blind network". Even when it's been pointed out to you that even BB's own publicity material boasts of it being a "cash doubler" you seem unable to grasp that this isn't how normal, legitimate, companies do business.

    You also fail to see, whether wilfully or through limited intelligence I know not (although I suspect the former), that the BB business model simply doesn't work. The company add no value to the transactions they broker, yet claim to achieve an eye-wateringly high margin, providing a service that no-one needs. Not only that, but they then share it with a huge group of "affiliates" who, once again, add nothing to the process by way of value.

    Now, I realise you seem to be under the impression that you've explained how it is possible, but trust me, you haven't. Not once have you put across a valid explanation for where the money comes from. The drivel you have posted may fool the average hard of thinking BB affiliate, but out here in the real world it's just risible.

    Even the police now refrain from giving names of people being questioned during their investigations, because people jump to conclusions, ignore the facts, and take it upon themselves to inflict justice even though there's no actual cause for doing so. The news is full of reports on how people like you feel it's your right to inflict justice on others, burning down houses, harassing people's kids at school, causing a scene at their workplace. People that have no evidence, just a rumor that the person MIGHT be involved, so they instigate attacks, only later to find out the person was innocent...and yet those idiots still claim they were right.




    My webste is a business website, and the information was for the purpose of addressing product returns, not posted on a website forum by a bunch of amateurs with no sense of what's right or wrong.
    Information in the public domain is in the public domain, your right to control its use ends when you publish it.

    Yet another reason why the company isn't going to show you anything. To you this is a joke, something to take up time, but to others it's their livelyhood, and you're making their lives complicated for no other reason than because you can. You can't prove a single accusation you've made against the company, all your 'facts' are complete and utter fabrications to do one thing, to see how much damage you can inflict.
    If it's a joke then none of us are laughing. Especially when it involves people being scammed out of their savings.

    What evidence? Nothing you've actually said about the company has been accurate, so how is that evidence? You're using circumstantial reports as evidence? The incident in India is against an individual, not the company. There's absolutely no investigation by the authorities in either The Netherlands or Canada, so more fabrications by you.
    How do you know there aren't any investigations? I don't know about Canada, but here in the UK the police don't ring up criminals in advance and tip them off that they're being investigated. Usually the first people like you know about it is when they turn up at their door at 6:30 in the morning with a warrant.

    Don't worry though, they won't need to get your address from here, they'll already have it.



    You mean the questions that try to get the company to provide answers about being something it isn't? Or how about answer questions regarding detailed company information that no-one here is actually entitled to? Why would ANY company answer questions that have nothing to do with how it operates, or release information to anonymous people who make baseless accusations against it?
    A competent PR man would realise that, if the "client" has nothing to hide, that answering such questions could only be a positive thing. Provide the information, prove the doubters wrong. It really is that simple. All you're doing by refusing to do so (and making posts such as this) is making things awkward for yourself.

    You've hijacked the reputation of a legitmate company, are holding its officers and employees hostage through baseless accusations and posting the personal information of its officers, becuase you THINK the company is one thing, but can't prove it, so you want it to admit it's what you claim it is, or you'll continue attacking it, its suppliers and employees until it submits. Any attempts by the company to straighten the mess out through providing a detailed description of how the system works and answering questions is immediately ignored and dismissed as "nonesense" because you actually can't prove them wrong.

    I stand behind everything I've said, and have already proven through personal research and due diligence that the company is who they say they are, and are doing what they're doing. That's why I'm working with them. I've put my name and reputation up as validation, something not one of you can say you've done here. What validates your integrity and the truth in your words?
    I'm glad you put that down in black and white fo all to see. Should make it much harder for you to wriggle out of being held accountable when the end comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mundorf View Post
    Beacon,You put it all together in a great way,with lot of details and unbeatable facts.What we can await here and get from BB armada is endless rejection.I am sure - even having verdict against Smith as a scammer and BB as a ponzi,nothing would change their attitude except that we would be declared as nasty conspirators...Zeek case shows it well...when I look all the talkings we had here on this forum with BB devotees,don't You think it looks more as talking to washing machine or wardrobe?..why didn't I say to cat or dog?..even horse?...I bet You know why
    Thanks for that. Ironically I suffer from an attention problem :) I only noticed the little six pointed star on the bottom left of posts. It represents reputation. I dont know what it changes but if you could click on it and radd to my reputation I would respect the gesture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname999 View Post
    Why are you here Terry?
    Because he's crapping himself. please don't scare him away I like having him around.

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    The members of this message board, have taken it upon themselves to put my family in harm's way through their own negligence and stupidity. They have assembled and posted personal information about myself in a place, and with the intent, to draw attention to both myself and my famly in order to satisfy their personal agendas. That's why I'm here.

    There is no call for this kind of behaviour, and no reason why people here feel that personal information needed to be applied, so that my family no longer feels safe in their own house.

    Making accusations is one thing. I addressed them and moved on, but the deplorable act of putting personal information about innocent people online in one place, and attaching that information to supposition and speculation about a scam wreaks of desperation and can only be traced back to sick individuals with no intent on actually realizing the truth.

    That's right, I said innocent, and until any of you can prove otherwise, they remain innocent, as does every single person employed by, or in representation of Banners Broker International. To say otherwise is a display of your ignorance.

    It's too bad most of you are too cowardly to place your real information out for everyone to see, so that you could be held accountable for your actions and words and potentially discovered for who you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    Brenda, why worry? Because people here have already demonstrated that your goal isn't to find the truth about BB, but slander its name through accusations, and harass its officers and their families because you think they're part of a scam, and abuse any official information provided to them to cause as much havoc as possible.

    Samuel.r, I didn't lie about OpenX actually, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter.

    And Mrs. Dobrott, aka littleroundman, I wonder how your husband Paul would feel if people started to harass him and visit your home in Texas making unsubstantiated claims over something you've been accused of without your accusers having any real proof of you or your company's wrongdoing? Not so much fun when things get personal is it? Isn't that the reason you use 4 different aliases and not your real name when you post on here? It's easier to attack people and companies when they can't identify you, but when they know who you are and where you live, things get a little more real don't they?

    Terry. I am glad you did not post littleroundsmans address on here. It would be wrong to do so. As it was wrong to post yours.
    Some weapons are verboten. And family harassment is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdstern View Post
    Samuel.r, I didn't lie about OpenX actually, and that's all I'm going to say on the matter.
    Terry, you proclaimed that OpenX was one of the ad networks BB works with, and you went on to say they along with Clicksor were the drivers of $150M of yearly profit for BB.

    When OpenX was questioned they didn't even know about the existence of BB. We already know the story on Clicksor, there is no way they could scale to the level BB claims.

    The server at ox-d.bannersbroker.com is a free service hosted by OpenX for people to try out their system.

    Terry - your credibility has been impeached on this point, and it's the foundation of the value proposition for BB (if you can force yourself to accept the bizarre financial relationship BB claims to have with these networks).

    No ad network partners = no product = worldwide ponzi scam. Q.E.D.

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