Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Originally Posted by Beacon

we all accept as a moral absolute

Those are not examples of moral absolutes. Those are examples of human degradation into the sphere of pure evil. Theft is by no means such an example. There are circumstances in which it can be morally justified - to feed the hungry, for example. Having said this, please don't derail the thread again. I have not made any attempt whatsoever to justify BB, morally or otherwise, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

Originally Posted by Unknown_S

Indeed. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he sure is something else that Martin Wild.

Just to put a face to the voice, is this the one?

Martin Wild - United Kingdom | LinkedIn
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity - Manchester - Business Opportunities
https://www.qype.co.uk/people/martinwild
Stiforp - Home Business Opportunity in Manchester - Ripon Gazette
Online Income Generation Business Opportunity
https://www.facebook.com/martinwild.uk
https://twitter.com/martinwild

But, as he says, he is an honest and ethical businessman of 21 years. And remember, "It's impossible not to make money".

Martin Wild page on Facebook



Martin Wild on LinkedIn



Martin Wild @martinwild on Twitter

Originally Posted by Poyol

I didn't withdraw anything - I realised it wasn't my money to withdraw!

Jason

This is noble of you, but if you put money in, it's your money, no? You could withdraw the original amount of your deposit, and it would be as if you never participated. Of course now it's too late to withdraw.

Originally Posted by Unknown_S

But, as he says, he is an honest and ethical businessman of 21 years. And remember, "It's impossible not to make money

We can go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush all day debating this.

The point is, Mr Wild has placed HIMSELF in the situation he's in by becoming involved with Banners Broker AND compounded the problem by accepting money via referrals.

HE has made statements WRT the legality of Banners Broker and HE "knew or should have known" what Banners Broker is claiming is both impossible and fraudulent BEFORE he encouraged others to participate and accepted money from Banners Broker for doing so.

He long ago ceased to be just another innocent victim.

Originally Posted by Finix

This is noble of you, but if you put money in, it's your money, no? You could withdraw the original amount of your deposit, and it would be as if you never participated. Of course now it's too late to withdraw.

I made my decision - and it was too late once I started posting negatively.
They used 'Damage Control' and closed my account - stealing all of my invested funds; granted it wasn't thousands - it was enough for me though.

Jason

Originally Posted by littleroundman

We can go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush all day debating this.

The point is, Mr Wild has placed HIMSELF in the situation he's in by becoming involved with Banners Broker AND compounded the problem by accepting money via referrals.

HE has made statements WRT the legality of Banners Broker and HE "knew or should have known" what Banners Broker is claiming is both impossible and fraudulent BEFORE he encouraged others to participate and accepted money from Banners Broker for doing so.

He long ago ceased to be just another innocent victim.

He was there for the prelaunch - he's a presenter at local seminars. He's got previouses in other HYIPs; he knows what Banners Broker is.

Jason

Originally Posted by Poyol

He was there for the prelaunch - he's a presenter at local seminars. He's got previouses in other HYIPs; he knows what Banners Broker is.

Jason

it's crazy the amount of these promoters of BB that have long histories of MLM/ scams behind them. What does confuse me though, is how have they not run out of road? Surely, one based in Manchester, albeit a reasonably big city, word does get around, how are they able to continually get recruits? Sting me once ....etc

Originally Posted by Finix

Those are not examples of moral absolutes. Those are examples of human degradation into the sphere of pure evil.

Im sorry to have to break my silence on this but I'm not going to let you off on that. You claimed such things do not exist.

"pure evil" is somehow NOT a moral absolute? Could you explain?

In
http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...html#post44502
and
Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam - Page 321

you asserted do not exist?

So what is this non absolute "pure evil" to which you refer?

BannersBbroker has not been set up to "feed the hungry" or for any other arguable good reason.

You don't have to specifically justify BB when you make a blanket pronouncement that ( your words) "what's right for one is wrong for another."
and then follow up on that by saying BB can't be compared to a clearly evil or wrong act and is in some sort of grey region where "what's right for one is wrong for another".

You later hedge by saying that BB is a scam but - that is only your opinion. According to you what is wrong for you might well be right for BB operatives.
It isn't! What they are doing is wrong no matter is you or I or anyone else think it is right. Because it is wrong not according to how you or I or anyone subjectively feel. It is wrong according whether or not we feel it is. And no amount of guff about then helping feed the poor will make them right.

There is little difference between justifying BB and suggesting "what's right for one [ BB] is wrong for another. [RS] " Especially when you declare them a scam i.e you oppose them but then later return and suggest the lesser " i dont support them" and then return to the " maybe they could be right in some circumstances"

I have seen the same slippery slope arguments before and they lead to a refusal to condemn things that are wrong. Usually by people intolerant of their critics but I will not ascribe that to you at this time because based on the available evidence it might be unfair. I do however reject your position/argument if indeed a non contradictory one can be determined.

But just in case I took you up wrong let me be clear.
Is what Banners Broker doing wrong and will what they have done already always be wrong?
Yes or no? A refusal to answer or an "right for one is wrong for someone else" will be taken as a "no".
and you can regard that "no" as a justification of BB.

Originally Posted by Beacon

BannersBbroker has not been set up to "feed the hungry" or for any other arguable good reason.

This is one thing we agree on. Let's leave it at that :)

Originally Posted by Brenda

it's crazy the amount of these promoters of BB that have long histories of MLM/ scams behind them. What does confuse me though, is how have they not run out of road? Surely, one based in Manchester, albeit a reasonably big city, word does get around, how are they able to continually get recruits? Sting me once ....etc

Yes You right thinking so but do not think the recruits of this kind have much different character then he (Martin) has.This is the same company of people - by joing scams they all hope to pull out some money before it crashes.They all know scams pay in the begining so they act knowing it can not and will not last long

BannersBrokerBuzzwords.jpg
Source: BBC News - Why do politicians use business jargon?

Banners Broker Buzzwords baffle boffins but "benign" brokers bully bloggers.

*Yawn* I'm bored.

Jason

Originally Posted by Mundorf

Yes You right thinking so but do not think the recruits of this kind have much different character then he (Martin) has.This is the same company of people - by joing scams they all hope to pull out some money before it crashes.They all know scams pay in the begining so they act knowing it can not and will not last long

those at the top and middle know this, but the bottom level, the ones who get nothing are in the main, ignorant of these scams and can be easily sold to by the slick talk of these snake oil salesmen/ woman. It is the bottom levels who lose and whom I refer to in my mail. I don't understand how the same scammers can continually pooh on their own doorsteps with apparent immunity? Where are all these angry people?

Originally Posted by Poyol

BannersBrokerBuzzwords.jpg
Source: BBC News - Why do politicians use business jargon?

Banners Broker Buzzwords baffle boffins but "benign" brokers bully bloggers.

*Yawn* I'm bored.

Jason

having a ' blue sky' moment Jason haha

I went to TG to check on the lastest posts about BB and I got the 404 error. Then later I got the IE cannot display the webpage. Anyone else having this same problem?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I went to TG to check on the lastest posts about BB and I got the 404 error. Then later I got the IE cannot display the webpage. Anyone else having this same problem?

Can't find it either. Bad day for places like that?

As you do on a slow day, I have been looking at the lovely photos on Facebook of the visit to BB/SP offices in Canada. Looks such a lovely place to work. I may be wrong, but they were recruiting lots of staff to work there weren't they? So what have they done with all those people? Are they out and about moving those pesky ads on the blind network??

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I went to TG to check on the lastest posts about BB and I got the 404 error. Then later I got the IE cannot display the webpage. Anyone else having this same problem?

Looks as if there's a thread, but no posts...

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clicking on "Last" eventually brought up...

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Meanwhile our old sparring partner Roger Stockburger has sterilised his facebook page of anything BB, he rewrote his bio too and lists his current employer as acn australia.

So activerog, are you now a stealth bb affiliate or did you see banners brokers for the scam it was and bail? did you get any money out?

For Phil;

David Hooker video

I couldn't help but notice that the murine one now has his own coat of arms...

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at least he's managed to get his name right on it, unlike on Twitter, where he seems to struggle a bit....

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Originally Posted by Unknown_S

Indeed. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but he sure is something else that Martin Wild.

Just to put a face to the voice, is this the one?

No wonder he uses the phone....If he knocked on my door I'd piss myself laughing at him.....
He looks like he went to Woodstock in 1969 and never came back.....

But, as he says, he is an honest and ethical businessman of 21 years. And remember, "It's impossible not to make money".

Only business this guy is in is the scamming business....

Originally Posted by Poyol

Irritating how he said my name so many times.

*Yawn*

He's a ©unt. Let's say it how it is.

Jason

Why don't you invite your friend Martin over for a visit here to realscam??....I would love to welcome him here....

Originally Posted by Theseus

Looks as if there's a thread, but no posts...

Looks more like they got website problems which is being worked on.....Since every thread in more than one folder is doing the same thing....

We are aware of the problems and are working on them

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Roger Stockburgler has posted on the Mirror Blog.

Banners Broker accused of being Ponzi scheme - Investigations

Wow! I did't realise what a nasty bunch you lot are.

Or have we found the culprit of the Malware warnings?


ROGER SAID:What really concerns me about realscam.com is the people there crawl through the net and try to discredit and ruin the reputations of anybody they see to be affiliated with Banners Broker.
I joined Banners Broker back in August last year, firstly to help out a good friend, secondly the idea of being able to build an on-line revenue stream without having to recruit anybody appealed to me, so my plan was to try to prove this to the rest of the world by remaining passive (without any recruiting) for the first 9-12 months, and subsequently I refrained from any promoting aside from mentioning in my Facebook profile that I was an affiliate for Banners Broker. No recruiting, no asking people to sign up, just mentioning that I was an affiliate and that's that.
Somebody at realscam.com got a whiff of this and set up fake user profiles on realscam.com, being 'waverider' and "JackO'Neill" due to the fact that I make it very public with lots of GoPro camera footage of my surfing action, and I loved the TV series "Stargate", they put up posts which were very vocal in the pro-BB camp, and then attempting to tell everybody that 'waverider' and 'jackoneill' were me, which is absolutely false. I have never made any public comment about Banners Broker, I have never made any comment in realscam.com as I only recently, a few weeks ago, registered on the site, not to make any comments within the blog, but to send a private message to a couple of users there.
They made up a fake profile for a former business partner called 'supergranny' and put up some hard-hitting posts 'on her behalf' to mislead visitors to the site in exactly the same way they are attempting to discredit me, with one difference, the 'supergranny' is actively promoting Banners Broker, complete with promotional Youtube video, I have never done any promotional work aside from posting a short video announcing that I had received my card, but no drive to attract people to my page, like Simon Stepsys for example.
Realscam.com has even gone as far as attempting to plant a keylogger virus onto the computers of visitors and have been doing this for several months until recently when google started listing the site as a malware danger, and a couple of days ago they removed the offending code from their site and requested google to re-evaluate this. Beware, we're dealing with very nasty people there, make just the slightest remark that you have (or had) any dealings with the Banners Broker company, and if these people get a whiff that you mention anywhere in cyberspace that you're an affiliate, whether active or not, they will hunt you down and do all in their power to destroy your reputation and business.

February 5, 2013 10:15 AM

So the latest from BB is, they have sent the payments to the wrong accounts, and now have to take them back. They have also said they will freeze the accounts of those who received the payments in error. So the affiliate gets punished for BB's mistake. They get to hold up more money and stop others from withdrawing You couldn't make this stuff...*

(*BB have made this stuff up)