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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Reminds me of AdSurf Dailys' Andy Bowdoin.

    For years members didn't notice the street address given for ASD was actually incorrect and 2 digits out.

    A fact the Secret Service highlighted in it's prosecution.

    This despite the fact the building had been visited, photographed and researched a squillion times.

    As has been said before countless times,

    anyone who believes ANYTHING coming out of a HYIP ponzi is asking for trouble.
    I agree entirely and would like to add that, 'anyone who believes anything going in to a HYIP Ponzi is asking for trouble!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    You're preachin' top the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.
    I can respect that!

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    Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb View Post
    Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?
    Not from me or REALSCAM.com

    Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

    The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

    All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

    It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

    They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by baylee View Post
    Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

    If you want a real eye opener, run a financial Montecarlo simulation on Bannersbroker. One thing for sure, the membership numbers and total affiliate payouts they claim are statistically impossible. But what would you expect from a HYIP ponzi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Not from me or REALSCAM.com

    Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

    The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

    All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

    It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

    They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.
    Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette. I am still learning. I apologize for asking such a question. I have no financial interest in this matter. I am simply trying to learn enough to help a couple of Christian brothers bail out of a bad situation and hopefully identify the people who involved them with it. Doing so, just lit a fire in me because I cannot believe that a ponzi of the BB magnitude could have existed this long.

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    It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

    Absurd Premise # 1:

    You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

    Absurd Premise # 2:

    He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

    Absurd Premise #3:

    This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

    What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

    Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb
    Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette.
    My answer wasn't in any way a reflection on your question or your "newbieness"

    It was a statement of fact based on many years of observing the HYIP ponzi "industry" and aimed as much at the many new posters brought here by the Banners Broker fiasco as to you personally.

    There is no such thing as a "standard" member of any HYIP ponzi.

    Within HYIPs, especially the "next big thing" Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker, AdSurf Daily type HYIP, there exist different types of personalities.

    Broadly, there are:

    * Those behind the fraud. Rarely, if ever, seen and definitely anonymous.

    * The "public faces" of the HYIP

    * Insiders.

    * professional enablers (the Ken Russo, Faith Sloane, Strosdegoz type leeches of the HYIP scene)

    * Shills and pimps

    * "Playas" who are semi insiders and know EXACTLY what they're doing.

    * "Players" who know full well what is going on and "play" the HYIP ponzi as a sort of "game"

    * Fools who think they know what they're doing and think they can beat the syastem

    * True believers

    Using a "one size fits all" strategy when discussing HYIP ponzi fraud is doomed to failure.

    "Facts" to one HYIPer is meaningless gibberish to another, "trying to keep the little guy down" to a third and a jealous competitor to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb View Post
    Personally, i thought it was pretty funny. Found it elsewhere. I will refrain in the future of sharing different humor I have found relevant to BB on blogs such as this. Please forgive me bad taste and an attempt to share what I think is humor with others here.
    personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

    I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

    Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

    Absurd Premise # 1:

    You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

    Absurd Premise # 2:

    He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

    Absurd Premise #3:

    This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

    What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

    Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.
    You bring up a lot of great and intelligent points, but I would like to add a couple for you to consider:

    1. The majority of people who buy in to these scams do so with the intent to earn a lot of tax free money and seem to care very little that they are committing a crime. When they discover that the criminals they knowingly involved themselves with were not honest in their promises, the moaning and complaining begin. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these people. I hold them as much accountable to the losses of the innocents as the ones who got the whole thing going.

    2. There are innocent victims of these scams. The economy has been worse on some than others. These people are desperately trying to feed their families. Many of them are in danger of losing their homes, cars, etc. Even though they know the claims of riches are probably a pipe dream, sometimes a pipe dream is better than no dream at all. People with their backup against the wall are prime targets for ponzi schemes. These are the people that really cause me to feel anger towards the scumbags who took them. They are also almost always the predominant percentage who end up losing their money in these types of scams.

    What I will never understand is how something like this could go on for over two years right in front of the authorities noses. Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

    I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

    Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?
    Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb View Post
    Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.
    Global Wealth is another issue, if you knew Terry, then you must have known Hooker. I've done my DD on GWT and wouldn't touch them with a barge pole either. To me, only difference between them and BB is a tangible product. Only problem is that said product doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 19 and 21 carot, thrown out of St Maartens, never mind all the other stuff out there? Did you purchase from them or sell for them?

    Why do I feel my chain being yanked here? Terry Stone?? Several years? You have no way of knowing from his pic, what he really looked like if it was staged, how therefore can you know if you have dealt with him in the past?
    Last edited by Brenda; 01-26-2013 at 01:09 AM. Reason: curiouser and curiouser ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamd
    Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?
    Who are "they" and where are "they" ??

    One of the things HYIP ponzi players and victims learn very quickly is that very few of them are U.S. based and the people behind many/most of them are simply mouthpieces.

    It is no accident, for example, that Canada is chosen by so many participants in the HYIP ponzi fraud scene.

    It has been a constant source of irritation that the "enabler" payment processors without which the HYIP ponzi industry could not exist are based in Canada.

    The same Canada which is notoriously slow and/or reluctant to move against the HYIP industry, the same Canada chosen by Banners Broker as its' "base" and the same Canada which allowed notorious HYIP ponzi operator "Nick Smirnow" of Pathway to Prosperity infamy to escape to the Philippines despite being warned countless times of his/its existence.

    Coincidence ????

    I think not.

    It is generally accepted an in depth investigation of a US based HYIP ponzi fraud takes in the vicinity of 24 months from inception to emergency civil action being begun.

    Add in another 24 months for criminal prosecution to begin, and it's not hard to see why "smart" HYIP ponzi operators base themselves AND their bank accounts "overseas" and why Banners Brokers' "details" are constantly changing.

    The agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting fraud were decimated when the US changed it's focus to its' "war on terrorism" and stripped the agencies of resources, including staff, another answer to your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb View Post
    What is a VAT number?
    Most companies in the UK have to charge VAT on items they sell (turnover has to be above a certain level).

    The VAT number is their registration number.

    The government then scam, whoops sorry charge an extra 20% on just about everything.

    There's some items free of VAT and in some cases it's a lower % (5 i think).

    It used to be 17.5%, then dropped to 15% for a year to encourage people to spend during the start of the recession, went back to original level of 17.5%, THEN, went up to 20%.


    That's good old VAT.

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    The mind of a HYIP ponzi follower:



    Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum

    A HYIP can say it will double his money or pay him 1% per day and he'll believe, but, anyone who says his friends have visited its' headquarters is lying
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    Jamie Waters (TalkingBB/Adverts Galore Bigshot & scammer also Hero also Leader)
    Preparing his followers for when he walks away from Banners Broker, with his PLAN B talk. He doesn't mention Banners Broker by name. (I wonder why?)
    I wonder if he's planning on jumping ship like his mate
    Ian Driscoll (The $4,000,000 Man) to FlexKom?

    He says at 6:26 "There are plenty of things out there that will make you a truly residual passive income" (we all know that is impossible don't we?)
    The phrase Passive income is banned in Banners Broker Land but not yet in FlexKom World.






    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsigmamb View Post
    Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?
    When the admins decide they've put enough effort for the money or when it gets shuts down.

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    So guys, it would seem that our esteemed blogger Martin has hit the 25 today.

    I'm sure I speak for everyone in wishing Martin an amazing birthday from all at Realscams !

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    I don't get it. What's so special about this run-of-the-mill piece of sh!t program that it has more posts on the obscure consumer advocate site than on a HYIP forum?

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    In the meantime.............

    I'm making new friends all around the Durham, Whitby, York area's of Canada.

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    Oh, you are continuing the fight that started on some obscure blog. Never mind, carry on. *backing out of the thread*

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    Quote Originally Posted by okosh View Post
    It's game over.
    For the players it is. Here it's only beginning.

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    Thanks SBM
    "if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
    "A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member

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    Thanks, H!

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    BIG REPORT ABOUT BANNER ADS ON SWISS MAIN NEWS PROGRAM

    The main Swiss national news program on SF1 this evening at 19:30 carried as its second main news item after reporting on the World Economic Forum in Davos a report on the DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN ONLINE BANNER ADVERTISING IN 2012 and the average fall in number of online banner Ads of 20%.

    Industry experts interviewed all agreed that banner ads have seen their day and are coming to an end as in this current online world of animation, static banner ads are passé and future onlin advertising will be video/animated and more in line with TV advertising as the online and TV worlds continue to merge. They expect the online banner advertising industry to continue shrinking at a fast rate.

    So if the entire online banner advertising industry shrank by on average 20% last year, and is predicted by all industry leaders and experts to be shrinking at a very fast rate and to disappear within a short time, how the Hell did Banners Brokers growing so hugely in 2012 and where on Earth is their future growth in a rapidly shrinking and disappearing market supposed to come from?


    I think this report made by the internationally reputable Swiss TV repüorters and supported by acknowledged industry leaders and experts highlights the now very obvious facts that Banners Brokers have been telling huge porkie pies for at least the last two years, and are most definitely knowingly telling enormous lies about their future expansion and viability in what is in fact a shrinking and fast-disappearing market.

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