Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

@Jack:

Here's a relevant question for you, it goes to the heart of the BB business model:

Where are the ads?

Originally Posted by jackoneill

That is a distinct possibility, Joe...

VanAndel and DeVos started Amway and unless I'm mistaken,

Again those guys have a history this Chris Smith or whatever his name is don't.


Re: the lawsuit BRING IT ON BABY!

We have heard so much about Banners Broker crack legal team for a long time now.

They seem about as visible as Banners Broker's ads.

Originally Posted by jackoneill

Re-Phrase 'international ponzi scheme' to 'alleged international ponzi scheme' - the allegations made by a bunch of wannabe net-detectives and trolls, plus an irish tabloid they approached who saw this as a great way to maintain their paper's momentum and popularity.

That would be fair enough, if you would kindly rephrase "a bunch of wannabe net-detectives and trolls" to "some people asking legitimate questions and getting no answers."

Originally Posted by jackoneill

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It should be noted that the happenings in India aren't ponzi-related by nature, but a material breach of securities law - ie: selling or promoting investment products.

A what now?

Originally Posted by StevenHoward

Ian, I'm in your downline. Do you really think the people who you've introduced to BB want to see you plastering such childish replies ?.


You're supposed to be a professional, posting like you have done this last couple of day's doesn't fill me with confidence.

I've PM'd a few people (on FB and TBB) over the last couple of days just asking how they feel about the Indian massacre etc, privately a fair few people are very worried, but are also too scared to voice their concerns publicly on the various forum's.

I think you ought to be supplying us with relevant up to date information, don't you?.

Someone gave me your mobile number on Friday, I'm going to try and phone you tomorrow I'd like some answers (don't worry, I will not be posting your number on any forums), but I will post replies to my questions.

Around 11, if that's okay.

My "downline" all have thriving BB businesses. I look forward to hearing you explain that to your buddies and to hear if you speak or grunt.......

Iain, still too busy to answer questions?

Originally Posted by iainsherriff

I look forward to hearing you explain that to your buddies and to hear if you speak or grunt.......

You really are a little charmer. At least that comment should ensure your downline doesn't grow any more.

Originally Posted by noname999

Iain, still too busy to answer questions?

up at 5 in the morning.....
anyway Steven is going to ask in person


night night

Originally Posted by noname999

Iain, still too busy to answer questions?

Too busy putting out the flames of his "reputation" that has just crashed and burned.

I agree, normally one would find it prudent to do a little bit of research about a company's CEO and management track record before investing with them, certainly if I was looking at investing a substantial sum of money into a venture. I very much doubt that most people who chuck a couple of hundred dollars at BB and take a punt on something that looks like a winner, would have done much due diligence. I remember when I was first approached, I was somewhat skeptical, especially the part about being able to build a revenue base without having to recruit a single person, but understanding that recruiting accelerates growth and potential profit - less Traffic Packs to buy, none if you're a recruiting animal.... Myself, I joined as a freebie member to try out the 1000 free impressions flogging some clickbank products, and the fact that I managed to snare a handful of sales and earn myself just over $100, I thought what the heck, worth a punt, so I upgraded. The concept of building up advertising inventory over time, which returns a profit, which is shared with the affiliate base, certainly appeals to me.

FYI: I made a withdrawal request early November to my BB card, $450, and that took two weeks and a day to reach my card. Withdrawal #2 was for $500, early December, that one took three weeks. I personally know of a lady in Vancouver who waited some four weeks for her $200 via STP, over at TBB there's a few people who've commented about late and cancelled payments via Payza as well - it was advised by BB their preferred payout method for amounts <$10'000 is via their re-loadeable debit mastercard. I can only assume that the relationship between BB and Vector makes for a more streamlined system for disbursing payments to affiliates, my guess is things aren't as streamlined and simple dealing with Payza and STP due to the way things work with these companies and money laundering laws.

BB is making a difference in people's lifes. After making my first withdrawal, I was stoked. This thing actually works, but experiencing it for yourself rather than words of encouragement from your enroller, who by the way is pulling near $10k per month on most months, makes a big difference. I hit the local ATM and then to Porters (liquor store) for a bottle of celebratory bubbly, on the way out the salvation army guy was standing there holding his money can. I remember what Chris Smith said - we're about making a difference and sharing the wealth - so I pulled out a $50 note and much to the amazement of the salvo guy and a few by-standers, I shoved that $50 note into the can. Share the wealth, people.

Withdrawal #2, it's becoming a ritual to hit the liquor store for a bottle of celebratory bubbly after ATM-time - this time Dan Murphy's and on weekends they always got the Rotary Club sausage sizzle, trying to raise money for Rotary. Gimme a sausage sandwich and a can of coke. Flopped out a $50 note, keep the change my friend. Share the wealth, Chris Smith isn't the only one preaching this concept, Robert Kiyosaki also talks about allocating your finances - 10% for tithing, I've made it my policy to donate 10% out of my BB earnings to a local charity, and once I start pulling some serious money like my upline, I'll be sponsoring a bunch of kids through World Vision, and eventually become liquid enough to be able to make a more significant contribution to the world's neediest and disadvantaged people - like those in the area known as 'the horn of africa' by assisting with the funding for medical supplies, clean water and sanitation.

One needs to have a vision - better to have a vision than to be negative and cynical towards opportunities.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Well, they really don't want people who ask questions, to tell the truth.

Originally Posted by iainsherriff

up at 5 in the morning.....
anyway Steven is going to ask in person


night night

What are you so afraid of Iain? Why won't you be straight with us(and the thousands looking on)?

@Jack: you seem to have missed my question:

Where are the ads?

I woud be grateful if you answered that for me. Also, I was wondering could you answer a question for me regarding Chris Smith. Seeing as you completely missed the point of the last question, lets try it this way instead:

Can you provide us with ANY verifiable information about Chris Smith prior to 2010?

@Jack

Robert Kiyosaki also talks about allocating your finances

Is this the guy who's just filed for bankruptcy after reneging on a business deal? Nice role model....

See &ldquo;Rich Dad, Poor Dad&rdquo; author Robert Kiyosaki files for corporate bankruptcy - NYPOST.com

Still, if you could answer noname's questions, that would be really useful.

Why bother? Even if I were able to come up with verifiable info about Chris Smith, it would be shot down as rubbish and ridiculed. It's like trying to tell a Jehovas Witness I have verifiable information that god doesn't exist. As pointless an exercise as trying to explain the concept of a blind advertising network and the fact that BB is a brokerage, they don't do their own advertising nor do they serve up their own ads. That's likely to come at some time in the not-too-distant future, as the company and its affiliate base grows, as is getting involved in mobile blind networks, due to the phenomenal growth in the number of portable net-connected gadgets such as smartphones and tablets.

By the way...does anyone recognise Jack's style of writing?

Originally Posted by noname999

I was also wondering if you could tell us why the world tour has been cancelled. I assume there must be a good reason for this?

Because they know that BB will be no longer paying b4 the world tour is over....

Originally Posted by jackoneill

One thing I can say for certain, your credibility and that of your buddies here, plus realscam.com as a whole, will be severely tarnished if by this time next year, BB's still around and going strong, and all charges laid by Goa police end up being dropped and the BB India office re-opens. That's all likely to back-fire and bite you all in the bum, plus perhaps a lawsuit to boot. On the other hand, who knows, perhaps you guys were right along and BB's either a full-blown ponzi, or has a strong enough ponzi element for it to come under the spotlight and be shut down like Zeek.

Time will tell.

Or it implodes and you just move onto the next scam.....

Originally Posted by jackoneill

Why bother? Even if I were able to come up with verifiable info about Chris Smith, it would be shot down as rubbish and ridiculed.

You really do have yourself in a muddle. The reason I asked for verifiable info is so that it can't be rubbished or ridiculed.

Originally Posted by jackoneill

It's like trying to tell a Jehovas Witness I have verifiable information that god doesn't exist.

Nope, wrong again. I am asking you to prove something does exist, not that it doesn't. You do realise the difference, yes? Its quite important.

Anyway, again, just for clarification. You won't or you can't answer? Please keep in mind, your answer will be viewed by thousands of potential clients.

that's generally what happens when a scheme collapses, some people move on to the next one, with the hope of easy money, others don't.....

Originally Posted by okosh

Or it implodes and you just move onto the next scam.....

Originally Posted by noname999

@Jack: you seem to have missed my question:

Where are the ads?

I woud be grateful if you answered that for me. Also, I was wondering could you answer a question for me regarding Chris Smith. Seeing as you completely missed the point of the last question, lets try it this way instead:

Can you provide us with ANY verifiable information about Chris Smith prior to 2010?

you're not going to get an answer, Jack doesn't have the answer. It doesn't concern him who Mr Smith is, he is simply just content to believe that he is being/ is going to be philanthropic, with other peoples money, that he has yet to receive.

Mr O'Neill, there is no product , there is therefore no genuine purchaser and you know that. If you didn't, it wouldn't bother you what was written here or anywhere else about BB because they can survive happily without their existing or new recruits right?

if there's no product and no genuine purchasers, then eventually the scheme will collapse, either all by itself, or with some help from the long arm of the law.

until that happens (if it does), and for as long as I keep on getting paid, it's easy money for me, so easy come easy go, if it collapses it would be a shame, but what happens happens, I'm in profit, and each time a withdrawal successfully lands in my BB card, I'm happily share some of my easy money around to worthwhile causes.

How noble of you. Can you answer the questions please. Think of all the potential recruits you are turning off by being so evasive.

Originally Posted by jackoneill

Why bother? Even if I were able to come up with verifiable info about Chris Smith, it would be shot down as rubbish and ridiculed. It's like trying to tell a Jehovas Witness I have verifiable information that god doesn't exist. As pointless an exercise as trying to explain the concept of a blind advertising network and the fact that BB is a brokerage, they don't do their own advertising nor do they serve up their own ads. That's likely to come at some time in the not-too-distant future, as the company and its affiliate base grows, as is getting involved in mobile blind networks, due to the phenomenal growth in the number of portable net-connected gadgets such as smartphones and tablets.

Are you comparing the existence of a blind network to the existence of God? Really?

I hate to break this to you but it's easily provable that the Banners Broker 'Blind Network' is a sham. You just have to try it.

Originally Posted by Beethoven

That would be fair enough, if you would kindly rephrase "a bunch of wannabe net-detectives and trolls" to "some people asking legitimate questions and getting no answers."

Trolls can't do that. They need to project to feel they're right defending themselves being criminals

Originally Posted by jackoneill

if there's no product and no genuine purchasers, then eventually the scheme will collapse, either all by itself, or with some help from the long arm of the law.

until that happens (if it does), and for as long as I keep on getting paid, it's easy money for me, so easy come easy go, if it collapses it would be a shame, but what happens happens, I'm in profit, and each time a withdrawal successfully lands in my BB card, I'm happily share some of my easy money around to worthwhile causes.

except your easy money is someone else's hard earned money, sweet talked out of them by you or some other BB desperado as proven by the Joe Duffy Show callers. Has terry gotten his money back yet do you know? Has the gentleman who believes he had turned 2k into 75k, drawing his friends and family into the scheme been told that it's not real money on the screen?