"Roll up, roll up, Hurry, hurry, hurry,Originally Posted by EagleOne
see the dancing bears, win prizes, see the half man, half woman,
HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, roll up, roll up"
"Roll up, roll up, Hurry, hurry, hurry,Originally Posted by EagleOne
see the dancing bears, win prizes, see the half man, half woman,
HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, roll up, roll up"
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
They tell me the Flat Earth Society has gained about the same number of new members lately, as well.Originally Posted by chinacastle
Your point being ???
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Now, let's analyse this little lot...
Businessman
Own business for "over 30 years"
That would make chinacastle, assuming a business start in early to mid 20s, at least 50 years old, perhaps nearer 60.
Now, it may just be me, but I don't know many 60 year old businessmen who use phrases such as "we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxx", "sooo sadddddd", "okkkk laterzzz guysss" or "pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee".
These strike me more like examples of the sort of language a teenage (or a very immature early 20-something) girl would utter....
One would certainly hope chinacastles' "mates" 17 new recruits all make substantial purchases.
After all, these new recruits have a whole lot of old members' payments to cover.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
For anyone reading who is researching BB please keep the following in mind:
I am asking very simple questions that should have very simple factual answers. Unfortunately people from BB are not providing these answers. They are avoiding them, changing the subject, attacking me(and others) and throwing insults.
This is very very obvious. So please, ask yourselves why they do this.
If you take one thing away from this its the following: Ask yourself, what motive/reasoning do they have for not answering? It would seem to make much more sense to just answer the question and then we could move on. It would certainly help to show BB in a better light. So why can't they or why won't they? Please think about that.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
Just a thought- Anyone want to start a Linked group "Banners Broker is a total scam" and dare their top range corporate lawyers to protect their brand name . If it got to court they would have to actually back up their business model and show who owns the business. A bit like what happened to Scientology protecting their REligious technology.
My first impression was this was a 16-year old with nothing better to do than try to act like a grown-up thinking we would all be fooled into believing all the BS put into the posts. Wonder if Mommy, oops MUM, knows chinacastle is using the puter (thought I would use lingo chinacastle would understand) again?
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven. People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position, however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....) - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....
There's good reason for the drive-by-posters, some pop up and disappear after a little while, some join the ranks of the others who, like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop. It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.
To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?
If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.
If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters. Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down. I personally did extensive due diligence on Zeek also, and my research did not see the company pass with flying colours. BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.
Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.
I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything, but the last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed 'net-nannies' bagging the living daylights out of anything they don't approve of, or do not fully understand.
We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations from a bunch of people posting anonymously without disclosure of their real names, addresses and perhaps a phone number, and defend out decision to join this company as affiliates to the rest of the on-line.
In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. By guilt, I'm not talking about screenshots of blogs and other stuff, and the endless, repetitive BS that's being spruiked by RS anti-BB'ers hell bent on bringing this company to its knees. This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not. Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks. People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.
Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out. Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....
Pro-BB'ers - take this to heart - there is good reason these people here trying to spread negative rumours and trivial observations they like to refer to as "facts" using anonymous screen names and without revealing their real names and addresses, and that's so that lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders, just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.
If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.
If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance. I've actually had a senior Vodafone staff member (not an indian from a call centre in mumbai) call me to clarify what I was going on about in whirlpool. As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts, but how Vodafone can assist me. Got myself a free months mobile internet access, so I posted that, problem didn't seem to be resolved, but a brownie-point for giving me a free months' access as a gesture of goodwill.
Food for thought, folks! Unless you've got something positive to say regarding BB (or any company for that matter), back it up with some credibility, and include your real name and a mailing address. If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".
When I first came here to RS, lurking in the background before registering the other day i thought, geez the dedication and tenacity of these people here sure are to be commended, I thought what are these people wasting their efforts here for, they should work for the police as detectives, or at interpol, then it struck me, it's the same pattern for each company and opportunity that's being slandered on this site, all anonymous comments, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.
Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot". To have a bunch of self-proclaimed 'net-nannies' discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage, must make you feel real proud to keep another schlepp stuck in their 9-5 job - Just Over Broke is what the letters J.O.B. stand for. Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme, others discover that network marketing thing selling vitamins and juices isn't really anywhere as easy as they said at the meeting when I joined up, etc etc so it must be a scam? Hilarious and sad at the very same time.
Put up or shut up - got something negative to say about BB or anything else? Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.
Last edited by waverider; 12-26-2012 at 09:52 PM. Reason: the cracking of the whip LOL
@waverider: Where and when did Chris go to college and what did he study?
I appreciate all the effort you went to with the above post but it is a little long winded, vague and inaccurate. You seem to have a bit of time to discuss BB going by the length of your post, it should only take a few seconds to answer my question. Looking forward to your answer.
Just on a side note. If you care to tell us here the name of the legal firm that are supposedly representing BB, I will be more than happy to contact them myself.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
Awfully wordy as you could have said all of this in one paragraph. So put up or shut up? Seriously? So be the man/woman and be the first. Post your real name, address, and phone number is optional.
By the way, my real name, address and phone number is known to anyone who looks.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
You there wave? Seriously, very simple questions about Chris and the name of the legal firm. If you don't know yourself you can ask your upline. I'll look forward to your response.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
@noname999: Nobody is going to answer any questions or enter into any kind of dialog with somebody that's anonymously hiding behind a screen name and not revealing their real mailing address... I'm anonymous too, but that's not the point, I'm not one that's out there publicly defaming a multi-national company like BB.
I see you also want to know who BB's legal firm is, so you can contact them.
Did I read this right? May I ask what precisely you'd contact their lawyers about? Allegations that their client (BB) is a ponzi, fraud, scam?
That just doesn't make sense, usually it's the plaintiff that gets lawyers to initiate an action, such as a cease-and-desist, or a lawsuit to the defendant. Not the other way around, the defendant researches the lawfirm of the plaintiff (in this case BB), then what are you hoping to achieve? Do you seriously even believe that somebody who airs their grievances on the internet through outlets like this forum, anonymously without revealing their real name and mailing address, is going to be taken seriously by a law firm engaged by a multi-national company like Banners Broker ???
Thanks for the laugh buddy, enjoy your festive drinkies - but reality will still be here later on ;)
So you are refusing to answer the questions. Just wanted to be clear on that. That really does speak volumes.
Oh and by the way, Jason and Phil have given their real names and contact details here. And surprise surprise, no legal firm from BB has been in contact with them. The reason I will not give my real name is due to the harrassment they have already been through(of which there is proof).
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
If and when the day comes where I can justify saying something about Banners Broker which is critical of the company, or certain aspects of it, then it will be backed up with my full name and address. I do not, however feel any need to go to such measures to justify myself, or my choice of company with whom I've decided to part with some of my hard earned money with.
Whip, I don't need to ask for my money back, I'm about $30 short of re-couping my original input ("investment") from back in August. So if BB collapses over this xmas/new year, I'm down to the tune of a cheap bottle of scotch. No big deal, a bigger shame though, even more so if the naysayers are right and the whole thing was a scam through-and-through (unlikely but nevertheless a possibility I suppose).
That was exacty your point, read back over your own post. How about the Sunday World and The Examiner, are they remaining anonymous too? What about Joe Duffy?
I think you'll find, for the most part, I'm simply asking questions. Doing my own due diligence. I'm not getting any answers though.
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
@noname999: Ah the age-old harassment excuse eh? That's why I say phone numbers are optional, nothing worse than phone ringing all night long and nobody there when you answer itbut if somebody decides to send you death threats or threatening to slash your tyres, you can always take the letter to the local police. They WILL take that seriously, but nobody's going to take seriously some noob foul-mouthing a multi-national on-line advertising outfit like BB, even if some things look a big dodgey (I did find the garage HQ rather amusing).
Jason (Poyol) and Phil, please don't hold back and keep up the heat and don't stop flapping your gums about the evils of BB - and I'd be very surprised if one or both of you didn't end up with a soliticors' letter in the mail some day in the not-too-distant future. Only a matter of time.
Come on wave, Tell us about Chris Smith. You said you did due diligence. BB is supposedly a company that is masterminded by this guy. If someone approached me from BB and told me about this genius the first thing I would do is check him out. I assume it was exactly what you did?
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
Sunday World is a trash tabloid that's great entertainment value for many people, sensationalist headlines and stories sell papers and glue peepers onto TV screens.
You got me, @noname999 - BB must be a scam, the Sunday World, Examiner, Joe Duffy and about a dozen or two half-wits who haven't got the balls to show who they are, Jason and Phil have in making their details relatively locatable for a legal firm wanting to take the matter a step further.
You're doing due diligence. Cool. From what I read, you're well and truly done with your due diligence. Chance of you joining BB = zero. And still you continue with your due diligence, in public, without proper disclosure one would expect from a fair and valid complaint or grievance.
Credibility = Zero.
Come on wave, give us the name of the college and the year. It will only take 30 seconds...probably less...
"if they are giving the Banners Broker Mastercard,Banners Broker must be a real company." -BB member.
"A toyota means 1 thing. Extrenal revenue. That is proof."-BB member
Bookmarks