Thread: Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

Nothing sensible thinking people don't know already, but for the easily scammed who might be reading this...
Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com

I am someone who worked in Google for years and then setup my own advertising agency. I have only found out about Banners Brokers reciently. As someone who knows online marketing very well I can safely say Banners Brokers is a complete scam. Just a few points:

- If they were legit and making this much money why would they share it with all these agents?

- If I had a legit business, making so much money and there was people saying it was a scam I would be doing every in my power to prove it is legit. That would include going to the courts. So far I can't find anyone from BB coming out with anything to prove it is legit or address any of the concerns about it.

- I can not find any banners on websites that are provided by BB.

- I have contacted them asking could I buy some advertising space from them. So far I have got no replies, nothing back at all. Its not a good business idea not getting back to potential customers.

- The volumes of traffic/impressions that would be needed to generate the returns they are claiming is mind boggling. When you consider this and the fact its impossible to actually find banners provided by them it is simply not possible.

- Why are no major credit card companies used, paypal, moneybookers, etc.? These days it is not hard to setup and automate payment processes especially when its key for running your business like BB.

I could go on with many more points but these are the main ones. At the moment the whole thing smells of a scheme trying to struggle through Christmas when most take their money out and probably won't be there come Janurary.

Being a total realist here,

The people with money already in Banners Broker can't do a thing about it anyway.

All we can do is warn potential new victims.
Given the fact new deposits have dried up, as evidenced by Banners Brokers' inability to make payments, the numbers of "new" victims are limited.

With the amount of evidence available on the 'net, new victims are going to have to try very hard to lose their money.

It's all in the lap of the Gods, now, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by okosh

For many years now people have suspected that some of these hyips being run by an anonymous admin may have links to terror...Nothing wrong with such thoughts and I have no problem with it...

To suspect a player of links to terror just because they Muslim is not OK and I have a problem with it...

Because you're an Aussie, Okosh you may be missing a crucial piece of knowledge regarding the 8 Million Dollar Sheikh. It's not merely the fact that he is a Muslim that is giving cause for concern, but rather where he operates from.

Bradford (and the surrounding area), where he is located is a hotbed for al qaeda recruitment, and indeed is where the group responsible for the 7/7 London bombings hailed from.

Nauth himself originates from Guyana which is also where Osama bin Laden's replacement as the head of al qaeda comes from.

Of course you are more than free to overlook any potential connection in the name of political correctness,but imho it is naive in the extreme to assume that such organisations are going to pass up the chance to as Marks Stokes says "twice ya money", especially if it can be done in a manner that circumvents the normal anti-money laundering checks.

Originally Posted by Theseus

Because you're an Aussie, Okosh you may be missing a crucial piece of knowledge regarding the 8 Million Dollar Sheikh. It's not merely the fact that he is a Muslim that is giving cause for concern, but rather where he operates from.

Bradford (and the surrounding area), where he is located is a hotbed for al qaeda recruitment, and indeed is where the group responsible for the 7/7 London bombings hailed from.

Nauth himself originates from Guyana which is also where Osama bin Laden's replacement as the head of al qaeda comes from.

Of course you are more than free to overlook any potential connection in the name of political correctness,but imho it is naive in the extreme to assume that such organisations are going to pass up the chance to as Marks Stokes says "twice ya money", especially if it can be done in a manner that circumvents the normal anti-money laundering checks.

See ,this is what I like.Justifiable suspicion backed by a thorough explanation on the the extrapolation. Accusing someone of supporting mass murder is just too much of a villainy spike for me,especially with nothing to back it up.Lest we start accusing everyone who have ever involved in this to be crossing the moral event horizon(not that some of them may not) real soon. I think that is enough thread drifting.

As for BB,Does anyone else think BB lords might do a Fred Mann and "sold" the company at the last minute?That way they could possibly blame the eventual failure on the "new management".

Originally Posted by Nourjan

That way they could possibly blame the eventual failure on the "new management".

IM(very)HO, there'll be no need to "blame" anyone.

They will simply disappear.

The only reason JustBeen Paid announced it had been sold was to head off any criticism of the fact it was moving into the "not paying" category around the "usual suspect" forums.

"Frederick Mann" and JustBeen Paid bought themselves a few more months of signups, nothing else changed.

It's the oldest trick in the book.

JustBeen Paid did it, and "Wealth4All" is doing it as we speak, relaunching itself as PrimusHub / PrimusSocial.

They get a whole new thread on the HYIP ponzi forums, a whole new source of newbie money and another chance for their pimps and shills to do their thing.

I think Banners Broker might have left it's run too late to do the change-the-name trick.

Originally Posted by Nourjan

As for BB,Does anyone else think BB lords might do a Fred Mann and "sold" the company at the last minute?That way they could possibly blame the eventual failure on the "new management".

To a certain extent they already have, announcing that BB Canada, always cited as "head office" is no more, and that a "new" company are handling customer services on behalf of BB in Belize.

This, of course, is nonsense, Stellar Point Inc. is simply BB Canada, all Dixit did was change the name.

One can only postulate on the reasoning behind this move, but personally I suspect it is a (poor) attempt to shift accountability for the impending losses onto some mythical management team in Belize.

According to some statements on few forums ,it seems that fraudsters are making some payments while not paying at all the victims from Vietnam and India.It's not strange at all.Generally, thiefs rob first the powerless or those who they think are weak and will not complain and make problems.Selective payments as a new BB racism.Second class countries classified by fraudsters.It is high time something or someone shut down the evil.

Yes I was just reading that.

Trần: STP - Last payday was Dec.6th. Next payday is Dec. 14 by midnight. Cuttof for entering your withdrawal was Dec. 5th but I not receive my money on 14-Dec, my RW on 13-oct by STP, BB let me down. most investor from VietNam not recieve money. BB not paid by many reason abc or xyz... i really lost patience .

nvpiyh says in reply I know many Vietnamese buddies are waiting for STP payments in desperation. Some withdrawal requests was made since early October and have not been paid yet. What a shame!

Originally Posted by Theseus

Because you're an Aussie, Okosh you may be missing a crucial piece of knowledge regarding the 8 Million Dollar Sheikh. It's not merely the fact that he is a Muslim that is giving cause for concern, but rather where he operates from.

Bradford (and the surrounding area), where he is located is a hotbed for al qaeda recruitment, and indeed is where the group responsible for the 7/7 London bombings hailed from.

Nauth himself originates from Guyana which is also where Osama bin Laden's replacement as the head of al qaeda comes from.

Of course you are more than free to overlook any potential connection in the name of political correctness,but imho it is naive in the extreme to assume that such organisations are going to pass up the chance to as Marks Stokes says "twice ya money", especially if it can be done in a manner that circumvents the normal anti-money laundering checks.

This is definitely my last post on this as I don't want to stray off topic. Being a muslim from Guyana living in Bradford is not enough to assume terrorist links. Although i absolutely agree that it makes it a stronger possibility. Illegal activities being used to fund terrorism is as old as the hills. Does anyone know if Paul Macmoron is a catholic as i note he is from Ireland and so "the real IRA" might be involved. There are many more incidents of Irish Catholic terrorism over the years from Ireland than Muslim ones from Bradford so should we look at this first?

For the avoidance of doubt, I am NOT suggest that Paul Macmentally-Deficient is actually a terrorist but just using this to show that links shouldn't necessarily be drawn on flimsy evidence. Otherwise this thread becomes what the shills are accusing us of- a bunch of people with no real evidential based arguments.

Originally Posted by Dreamstealer

This is definitely my last post on this as I don't want to stray off topic. Being a muslim from Guyana living in Bradford is not enough to assume terrorist links. Although i absolutely agree that it makes it a stronger possibility. Illegal activities being used to fund terrorism is as old as the hills. Does anyone know if Paul Macmoron is a catholic as i note he is from Ireland and so "the real IRA" might be involved. There are many more incidents of Irish Catholic terrorism over the years from Ireland than Muslim ones from Bradford so should we look at this first?

For the avoidance of doubt, I am NOT suggest that Paul Macmentally-Deficient is actually a terrorist but just using this to show that links shouldn't necessarily be drawn on flimsy evidence. Otherwise this thread becomes what the shills are accusing us of- a bunch of people with no real evidential based arguments.

FFS, NO-ONE IS SAYING THAT THE GUY IS A ******* TERRORIST, the point was merely made that he comes from an area that is a hotbed for terrorist activities and is passing large sums of money through an untraceable ponzi scheme. If you want to derail the thread and argue the toss ad infinitum on the basis of political correctness then be my guest.

what are the implications for those who have received money, are those who received more than they put in responsible for those who lost, and what are the tax implications, ie: will you be responsible for tax on the ewallet earnings even if that is not how much you withdrew
exactly what happens to the affiliates at any level
kiwi

Has anything been found about the history of Chris Smith? Surprising such a genius just appeared out of thin air. Or, since we see "Chris Smith, SOLE OWNER of Banners Broker" all over the bb scamsites, is he just an invention to distance Rajit from the fallout when it implodes? Any picture of Chris and Rajit together at any of the scaminars?

Why do people insist on staying off topic. Is it really that important to have the last word?? Grow up. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, I am sure there are millions of threads on thousands of forums, where you can readily discuss non-BB topics!

To Jerry's point, I have little doubt at this stage that Chris Smith is made up. Wonder how much they are paying the stooge.

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

Has anything been found about the history of Chris Smith? Surprising such a genius just appeared out of thin air. Or, since we see "Chris Smith, SOLE OWNER of Banners Broker" all over the bb scamsites, is he just an invention to distance Rajit from the fallout when it implodes? Any picture of Chris and Rajit together at any of the scaminars?

It's Rajiv, but yes, there are pics of them both in Dublin, not together, but both there. I was following up a line for a "Chris Smith" who has a masters in Maths/Computer Science from the University of Western Ontario, but it turned out (eventually) to be the wrong guy.

WARNING - sarcasm ahead....

The answer effectively then is, "no", the guy simply materialises out of thin air, fully grown, clutching a set of mathematical workings that will provide vast riches to anyone who will back him, whilst ending world poverty at a stroke..

More surprising is that, given the "genius" of his plans, the only people seemingly willing to put their trust in him are a bunch of ponzi scammers.

Just goes to show you how this financial crisis has affected the way banks and big business view what is obviously a talent worthy of a Nobel prize....

/sarcasm

Sad thing is T, some people will take your sarcasm seriously. they truly believe such rubbish...

Any sign of Poyol? Sent you a PM, P.

Originally Posted by noname999

To Jerry's point, I have little doubt at this stage that Chris Smith is made up. Wonder how much they are paying the stooge.

This is why I was trying to get a list/pictures of those involved in the ICF scam, as the main players in BB are all from that fold. Unless, as you suggest, he's just a stooge brought in to play a part, then it's likely he was already part of the team responsible for the previous scheme.

Edited it - is that better?

Originally Posted by noname999

Sad thing is T, some people will take your sarcasm seriously. they truly believe such rubbish...

Well, you could be right there ;) It is very, very hard not to drop into a sarcastic tone of voice when talking about BB. It has that effect, certainly on me...







Oh and would someone be kind enough to let me know what you have to enter for the rolling on the floor crying with laughter thingie?

A thought occurred to me, has anyone checked that "Smith" isn't actually an actor?

Originally Posted by Theseus

Edited it - is that better?

After all the time spent looking into this, I have learned to never underestimate the intelligence of the shrooms.

I cant read through the 168 pages to find references to smith. Is he supposed to be canadian? Is he on this list? ca.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Chris/Smith - Canada

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

I cant read through the 168 pages to find references to smith. Is he supposed to be canadian? Is he on this list? ca.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Chris/Smith - Canada

Yes

and

No

IT genius and guru, cult leader and multimillion $ "business" sole owner. No history or footprint. Red flags everywhere. Another question to add to Nonam999's unanswered list. What did you do before bb Chris?

Originally Posted by Jerrygo

IT genius and guru, cult leader and multimillion $ "business" sole owner. No history or footprint. Red flags everywhere. Another question to add to Nonam999's unanswered list. What did you do before bb Chris?

Chris Smith, International Man of Mystery?
Chris Smith, Sprung from the Loins of the Internet?
Chris Smith, 007 (and a little bit more, probably a panel's worth)

I could go on and once my brain cell has fired up, it may well do so for many days. You have been warned...