The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Great point made by Laidback. I guess one definition of a naysayer in relation to network marketing and HYIP / Ponzi schemes could beActually the term "naysayer" is misleading, and implies a negative outlook that is false, but that's a whole other philosophical question.
a person who tries to present factual information to readers about fraudulent or deceptive advertising practices relating to illegal or immoral business opportunities which purport to be legitimate ways of earning money.
The thing that suprises me most about bannings on TG, MMG, etc etc is not that the critics of their programs have been banned, but that they were ever allowed to post there in the first place and for so long.
It is highly unlikely that an owner of any HYIP/ponzi forum is unaware that most of the programs discussed and promoted there are illegal and all are immoral as they make promises about income that are unachievable. It is beyond any credibility that they could believe they run forums to discuss real investments or businesses.
It might be good for the image of a HYIP/ponzi forum to allow a few dissenters to criticize the worst examples of these schemes, but once they become effective in disuading people from joining the forum's programs, they become surplus to requirements. That's why forum's like this, Quatloos and, previously scam, exist.
When times get tough,
When there's no "next big thing" on the horizon,
When Firefox has AdBlock Plus and NoScript automatically hiding advertising,
When the "last big thing" burned thousands of people,
When advertising sales fall,
When fraudulent forex dealers put on the pressure,
when the forum is named in court documents.
When joint task forces are sniffing around,
it's time to circle the wagons in Ponziville.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
And the more people who realize that's how things work in the HYIP ponzi world, the better off the world will be.
If everyone knew it was ALL smoke, mirrors and fantasy, there wouldn't be a problem.
Well, other than the small inconvenient fact what they're doing is highly illegal, that is.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
...So, why bother to publish rules if the members can't rely on the freaking board to follow them? Why don't they just have a statement such as:
" This is OUR board that we will run as we see fit! If we don't like you or agree with what you have to say, YOU"RE GONE...!" At least then there would be SOMETHING true on their site..!!!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
Incidentally, I continue to follow the developments at Web-life, (I can't post there because they conveniently delete my user name and never send a confirmation e-mail) and "forwardone" is giving away free drivel by the pound!
Quite honestly the fact it has come from someone such as yourself makes absolutely no difference to how it is dealt with. What Brian is saying is that there are occasions where admins and mods will create additional usernames for perfectly legitimate reasons.Maybe! Show us where that is the case here!
But, a distinction has to be made between someone doing it for test purposes, say, and someone perhaps doing it to benefit from the use of ref links by inventing other names. I would think that this would be limited to Admin,not mod!
It wouldn't be right to just fire a mod and ban him without giving that person the opportunity to put their side of the story, which is why it might appear nothing is happening. Things are happening, but have to be done with due process.Hogwash!! Where were Lynn and Arty's due process when it was pointed out conclusively that they were two different people?
If you have followed the history of TG over the years you should know that mods do get fired, and banned, in the case of proven wrongdoing, and that hasn't changed....but since pinnochio is their most "productive" mod, they like him and his abuses of power are irrelevant???
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
What has been most fascinating to me is to see them finally admitting on an open forum what we all knew all along, but the masses didn't. Okosh has exposed them for what and who they truly are to the masses, and it has opened a lot of eyes. Now all can see their hypocracy on display, and that the owners, admins, mods, and forums are truly a dictatorship; and do not tolerate a free exchange of ideas as they like to portray themselves as doing. Kudos to a job well done.
It was a first when one of the mods stated on an open forum he was out to ban me for any excuse he could find or make up, and then did. I did appreciate at least he was honest about saying it, but then had to be dishonest and lie in how he did it. All he really had to do was just ban me, not lie about it.
The old saying, "Live by the sword, you die by the sword" may just come true in the future. I am just glad they have finally been exposed, and they did it in their own words.
Thank you for the kind words
Just to update what's happening with the MPD mod.....
Geoff and Brian claimed at web-life that something would be done.....They said they were going to give Kingmod a chance to give his side of the story b4 any action is taken...
Well Kingmod shows as being online today.....As expected Kingmod's sig has been deleted....
Too little to late Kingmod as there are no shortage of people who seen your sig which was a vital part of the proof that you have MPD....
A special thank you to those here at real-scam to who I trusted the information to some months back and who did a great job to keep it quiet.
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
Latest news....
Kingmod has been banned for MPD
Wish it could have been the Nazi who got banned but his day will come.....
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
Congrats "okosh". Extremely impressed.
Hey, I'm an Aussie....So There was no f'ing way I was going down without taking at least one of them bastards with me
And thanks to Eddie Haskell for starting thread about it at TG....Was a real funny read....Especially the bit where TwitTack done a complete back-flip after his previous post where he laughed at the possibility of one of his fellow mods having MPD....
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
Well, having quite the "spirited" discussion at Web Life about my ban. I applaud them for allowing the discussion to continue without warnings flying around everywhere. Looking forward to seeing what develops out of all this. I just appreciate being able to put it out there in the open for all to read and make up their own minds. It is definitely interesting.
Just in case it gets accidentally deleted I'm doing C&P from TG.....
This is a post from Brian in reply to the latest google litigation regarding scam adds.....
Of course right on cue the forum Nazi Joseph came in to end the discussion....
Originally Posted by BayleeRelevent to the TalkGold business model? - Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money ForumOriginally Posted by Brian
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
Over 95% are....Are you saying every single ad on this site is from a criminal enterprise?
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
All the excuses in the world and all the "attorneys sign offs" will count for nothing the day an agency decides enough is enough and decides to go after the forum.
One or two letters putting Talkgold on notice they are running suspect ads and the onus shifts from people having to "prove" the HYIPs are illegal to Talkgold having to "prove" they are not.
All it will take is a change in tactics by said agencies or an increase in will on the part of their political masters and the excrement will impact the revolving air circulation device.
IM(very)HO, both Talkgold and MMG will remain untouched right up until the moment the powers-that-be decide it's no longer expedient to allow them to do so.
Anyone who believes either or any of the usual suspect forums has a long term future or are flying unobserved "under the radar" probably still believes in the Easter Bunny and AdSurf Daily will be back.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Hi Everyone,
I'm an Ex-Folder Moderator from Talkgold Forum. Nice to see everyone here.
I have copied my reply below to Super Moderators who accused me for abuse my Moderator position in the Folder Moderator Corner Forum and pasted my post into "Your Money, Patience & Trust Get Paid Handsomely Here" Thread at Talkgold Forum. I saw my last post explaining my side of the story was gone at Talkgold Forum.
I think maybe freedom of speech no longer exists at Talkgold Forum.
Below was my reply.
Hi Ticktack,
Thank you for your post.
I have already previously explained to the Super Moderators the reasons why I have edited my own posts and also Shawnlim88's post in the Folder Moderator Corner Forum. I have only edited 16 posts of my own and 1 post of Shawnlim88's post.
I will just copy and paste my reply below to Super Moderators who accused me for abuse my Moderator position in the Folder Moderator Corner Forum.
I have paid to join the "Normal Level" plan on June 17th, 2010. So therefore I'm no different from other members. Only normal members could read all Company Announcments via SMICAP virtual office only. I have respected the other member who told me not to post that particular Company's Announcement at Talkgold Forum by removing the company Announcements.
I think I did not abuse my Moderator position. I think I have to respect both SMICAP company and the other member and trying to find a balance point between both parties. Therefore I did what I did in which I thought would be helpful to both parties. I have explained what I have to explain. I think SMICAP company is a legitimate and reliable company. I don't even have the intention to scam anyone.
I have spoken against SMICAP company before at "Programs that are more than 3 years on the market" Thread before I have joined the "Normal Level" plan on June 17th, 2010. But I was convinced that SMICAP company is a legitimate and reliable company and that was why I have joined the "Normal Level" plan on June 17th, 2010. There were two Talkgold Forum members who have spoken against SMICAP company at "Your Money, Patience & Trust Get Paid Handsomely Here" Thread. Those two member were "HYIP Lies" and "Shipdit". Did I give them a warning or even permanently ban those two members who have spoken against SMICAP company? Well, the answer is no. No one ever forced me to join the Participation Levels at SMICAP company's website and neither did I force anyone to join the Participation Levels. Everyone has the freedom to speak ans whether or not to join the Participation Levels at SMICAP company's website as well as other programs. I think the discussions was rather fruitful in this thread.
I have never opened up a HYIP, Exchange company, and/or even PTC websites in the past. I have never promoted SMICAP company's website and other websites in my Signature even at other Forums e.g. MMG Forum. I'm not even the Founder of SMICAP company and other programs. I'm just a normal member like the other members. I believe I'm not the only one who have sign up for an account at SMICAP company's website. I could witness this too.
If you and/or other Super Moderators still think that I was abusing my Moderator position then this is entirely up to you and them. As I have previously mentioned that I have to show my respect to both SMICAP company and the other members at Talkgold Forum.
I think I have been fair and respect other members at Talkgold Forum when I was a Moderator.
I think it would be better for the Talkgold Forum members to decide and judge whether I have abuse my Moderator position.
Caleb
Last edited by calebjor; 06-18-2011 at 11:29 AM.
I get it,
you're really Ashton Kucher and we've all just been punked.
What a hoot !!
A scammer just got caught trying to scam other scammers and he's all over the internet trying to justify what he's done.
Give it up, Ashto......err........child....err......Caleb.
You've been busted trying to influence the outcome of what was already fake to your own advantage.
Suck it up, cupcake.
There's nothing you can do or say to alter the facts.
"Caleb" was trying to rip off those who ripoff others, tried to rationalize what he had done, got caught and is too immature and/or dishonest to bow out gracefully.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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