Thread: Scamlandpro - Your One-Stop Site for all Scams!

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

The personal attacks are out of line here. This thread is for the purpose of sharing information about any verifiable scams promoted on Adlandpro. Dave Cottrell was invited here and I think we should be more welcoming. This is not just a scam busting forum and one here need not take any particular side. All viewpoints are welcome. Advertising is not allowed. Open discussion is the goal.

We must be careful to stick to facts and opinion. If one is not able to find reliable documentation then there is no reason to be making accusations against anyone. Questions are of course a welcome part of any discussion.

In the interest of clarity I will point out that Adlanpro was littered with porn:

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http://www.realscam.com/f16/bogdan-f...html#post13500

Thank you, Soapboxmom. The owner of this website picked a clear and reasonable admin in you.

Thank you for the links. That is encouraging. It shows that there was a big problem and from what I have seen in the very brief time since I was invited back to ALP, it shows that something must have been started along the lines of cleaning it up.

For the technical information of those here who might be interested, this kind of thing MUST be cleaned up (unless you own a major Canadian newspaper, in which case you can put any of this stuff in with photos). The technical part is, all ads have to be moderated.

As Judy pointed out, (thank you for the free advertising) I own Classified Ad Land. I have three classified ad platforms under that roof. One of them is the Adlandpro custom site, which is integrated into mine and gives instant world wide reach to an already existing audience, and the other two are classified ad content programs I have integrated into the site.

I am not the content police, and do not carefully check out everything that is advertised, and can't do that through my site with the ALP integrated platform. However, with the other ones, I have them set so that I have to approve every ad, much like what happens when you want to put an ad in a newspaper in the brick and mortar world.

This is the ONLY way I can keep out porn. There IS no other way. I have already previously tried keyword blocking, but that has a threefold problem.

First, the porn merchants are experts at getting around keyword blocking.

Secondly, genuine sellers of decent products inadvertently get blocked.

Thirdly, admin (that's me on my classified site) goes to sleep thinking all is protected, and someone hacks in and starts filling it with porn. The next most common problem this way is with gambling sites.

I don't believe that any site is hopeless, just as no human being is hopeless, even the passed out bum on the sidewalk. Things CAN be done, albeit sometimes against great odds. This particular thread has seen some very strong opinions and passions, but is probably quite positive in the grand scheme of things. Like a think tank, it sheds light in areas that might otherwise stay in the dark, and may prove to be, rather than an agent of destruction, and agent of change. Time will tell.

God bless,

Dave

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Oh, I am quite safe, Judy. As far as I know (and I have been wrong, before), such a company never even existed.

Regarding an OLD example of my own battle against scam business opportunities, here is one pulled from your own profile, which you created on 123people.com. It is one of my blog pages from 2006, before I got sick, when I was writing articles about the autosurf "industry", ponzi schemes, etc., and was often looking into things for others who asked me to, because they did not want to get hurt. I joined many, many scam outfits as a free member in those days, because often times you could not get any information on what they were "selling" or how they worked without joining them first.

If you dig deep in the recesses of your memory, you will recall, because you were on Adlandpro as a very active member in those days, that I was one of the first to speak out against the paid autosurf "industry." I don't remember which one it was, now, but it was one of the first, and I don't remember who was promoting it, nor have I looked for the forum post I wrote (it may still be there, somewhere), but I warned the person promoting it and everyone else that it was a program destined to fail.

Did I ever get jumped on for that! Holy cow; I was treated as a pariah by some people! Anyway, the program continued, people joined, more programs popped up, and more people joined. Some people I was foolish enough to highly respect for their business acumen joined some of these things, and eventually I decided to try it, as there seemed to be so much evidence that they were backed up by solid investments. If I had simply done the math, which I am very good at, I would have EASILY determined, as I did later, that they were impossible to fund without being ponzi schemes. I didn't put much in, so didn't lose much, but I do definitely regret ever promoting them, though my promoting wasn't very successful.

If anybody wants to blow the whistle on me for promoting ponzi autosurf schemes, don't bother. It's public record. Read my old blogs. I was not a good promoter, but wrong is wrong, and my real friends know I am sorry. They also know I continuously told them to due their own due diligence, to never assume I was some kind of expert, and to never play more than they could afford to.

Everybody has skeletons in his or her closet. I prefer to have mine out in the open, so I can get on with my life. Everybody makes mistakes, and everybody has to take responsibility for their own mistakes. If we think we are getting away with them, be assured, a day of reckoning is coming. No one is immune, and no one will "get away with it."

Autosurfs were a craze in he 2003-2005 era and people joined them in their hoards. The first was Studio Traffic. Next were 12DailyPro, Dad'N"Dave's, E-Surfpro and a few others. The first three that caused real financial disaster because they were presented as a business rather than money games were all owned owned by Bob Krimm. Next came VLane and Phoenix Surf. A lot of us promoted them as games but drew the line when they were offered as a sustainable business opportunity. Lucky7surf was promoted as being exclusive to Adlandpro. Adlandpro introduced Autosurf Authority to the surfing world as a genuine self regulating industry authority and the first one that was heralded as being cleared by Autosurf Authority was Pheonix Surf.

2006 brought a new chapter to the "autosurf industry" when recidivist criminals like Trevor Cook, Nick Smirnow and Andy Bowdoin ran their outfits. I know very little about autosurfs from this eara but I do have very clear memories of the 2003-2005 autosurf era.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Autosurfs were a craze in he 2003-2005 era and people joined them in their hoards. The first was Studio Traffic. Next were 12DailyPro, Dad'N"Dave's, E-Surfpro and a few others. The first three that caused real financial disaster because they were presented as a business rather than money games were all owned owned by Bob Krimm. Next came VLane and Phoenix Surf. A lot of us promoted them as games but drew the line when they were offered as a sustainable business opportunity. Lucky7surf was promoted as being exclusive to Adlandpro. Adlandpro introduced Autosurf Authority to the surfing world as a genuine self regulating industry authority and the first one that was heralded as being cleared by Autosurf Authority was Pheonix Surf.

2006 brought a new chapter to the "autosurf industry" when recidivist criminals like Trevor Cook, Nick Smirnow and Andy Bowdoin ran their outfits. I know very little about autosurfs from this eara but I do have very clear memories of the 2003-2005 autosurf era.

I remember hearing about Studio Traffic. 12DailyPro and Dad'N'Daves I remember. Don't remember E-Surfpro, VLane, Pheonix Surf or Lucky7surf. I do remember a whole lot of excitement on ALP about it; a LOT of people got involved, and some were very heavily involved with some big numbers being thrown around.

In defense of many who were involved, I was reminded as I went through some of my old blogs of a company that once had a very good reputation, called Stormpay (same owners as Tymglobal). At one time, they seemed to be a good, viable alternative to Paypal, and lots of people used them to sell goods. However, during the height of the autosurf "industry," they proved to be some of the biggest crooks every. (If it is ok to post here, you can find the little I wrote about them in the archives on WestCoastOpinion.com)

Because an apparently reputable company like Stormpay was the payment processor for the paid autosurfs, people thought they were ok. Paypal COULD have done a lot more to prevent the massive mess that was caused as everything began to finally come crashing down, if they has made a much louder statement about why they would not let these companies use their services. If I remember correctly, they made a rather quiet, but truthful, statement about not accepting companies that did not have a viable business plan.

For everyone's information (I guess it could be another thread), this kind of con is NOT over. It is just showing up by a different name. I just warned a friend about one again, the other day, that promises an unrealistic return that cannot be supported without new members investing constantly. The PONZI is alive and well.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

For everyone's information (I guess it could be another thread), this kind of con is NOT over. It is just showing up by a different name. I just warned a friend about one again, the other day, that promises an unrealistic return that cannot be supported without new members investing constantly. The PONZI is alive and well.

One of the reasons that the ponzi is alive and well because of ponzi promoting forums like TalkGold MMG, MyCashForums and Adlandpro. I find it hard to see how anybody could claim to stand against the ponzi culture and support the worst of all the ponzi promoting forums. TG and MMG have some moderation on their boards but at Adlandpro absolutely anything passes muster.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

One of the reasons that the ponzi is alive and well because of ponzi promoting forums like TalkGold MMG, MyCashForums and Adlandpro. I find it hard to see how anybody could claim to stand against the ponzi culture and support the worst of all the ponzi promoting forums. TG and MMG have some moderation on their boards but at Adlandpro absolutely anything passes muster.

Many times in history, companies have changed direction for good or for bad. What is needed to change direction is vision. When that vision is good, the company becomes a better company. When it is bad, it goes downhill. But though I understand where you are coming from, I must disagree when you call a forum provider a promoter of anything. It is those who are on the forums that do the promoting. Where I agree strongly with you is in the need for forums to be moderated. That is a must. However, there are limits.

If a moderator spent all his or her time chasing down and verifying information on the threads, the forum would shut down. I see that on the anti-scam sites, too. There are limits. Ask Soapboxmom. I'm sure that she would agree than if she chased down everything, she would never get any sleep. Therefore, it becomes a judgement call as to what you cut off, who you kick out, and what you let go through. I have seen things here and on several other anti-scam sites where someone is baiting someone else for a period of time and appears to be getting away with it. It may go on for several days, and then you don't see that person any more, or a moderator issues a warning, or some posts disappear. It is a big job.

That said, I believe there must be a level of moderation on all social sites. There is a large body that disagrees with me, believing that moderation of any kind is censorship and therefore the worst kind of evil. I believe that a degree of censorship is necessary for the good of the community, and this can certainly be seen on social sites where there are problems.

One thing that all who want to see scams shut down can do is to repeatedly tell people to stop being lazy and to do proper due diligence. Forums are a very bad place to get information. They are often a fantastic place to get ideas, and can be a place to find out how happy people are with something, but then the truth must be chased down where the facts are, not simply the opinions.

The links that have been provided here are very helpful. They are something that can be looked into.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

That may have fallen off the radar. You may be safe denying that. Lucky7surf was the first autosurf which was launched exclusively for Adlandpro members and there are memers who will remember that one but they may not wish to come forward at this stage. Time will tell on that issue.

Bullshit.....It was in all the forums and it's admin Lisa Taylor ran 3-4 other surfs around the same time....
lucky7surf

As for the rest of what you doing here let me see if I got this right.....

You bashing klagoosh for being in an autosurf seven and a half years ago???....Lucky7surf was in 2005!!!!!

Post some proof that klagoosh is scamming in 2012.....
If you can't then you need to shut up and leave him alone....

Sorry if you think I'm being hard on you mate but what you doing here in my opinion is wrong and you need to stop....

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Autosurfs were a craze in he 2003-2005 era and people joined them in their hoards. The first was Studio Traffic. Next were 12DailyPro, Dad'N"Dave's, E-Surfpro and a few others.

It was called eprofitsurf and it was where you and I first met.....Admin was Dan lund and Colette Larson.....

Originally Posted by okosh

Bullshit.....It was in all the forums and it's admin Lisa Taylor ran 3-4 other surfs around the same time....
lucky7surf

As for the rest of what you doing here let me see if I got this right.....

You bashing klagoosh for being in an autosurf seven and a half years ago???....Lucky7surf was in 2005!!!!!

Post some proof that klagoosh is scamming in 2012.....
If you can't then you need to shut up and leave him alone....

Sorry if you think I'm being hard on you mate but what you doing here in my opinion is wrong and you need to stop....

Well I am glad we have proof that Lucky7surf did exist and that we know the name of the owner. I did not bash Klagoosh for being a member. I bashed him in the belief that he was the scummy and sole moderator. That moderator was an active and very popular Adlandpro member who behaved very badly by claiming that there was nothing thay he could do to get it shut down and allowing it to carry on ripping the members off. It is vaguely possible that I muddled him up with another Adlandpro member whose name begins with a D and is very active in their forum now. If anybody can produce the name of that moderator, the issue will be settled and I will appologise if I am wrong.

I stand by my guns that advertising a ponzi and porn promoting advertising site like Adlandpro and trying to make money from their gold advertising program which is completely valueless is not the behavious which we expect from scam busters. I do not believe that I have called him a scammer in 2012. I have pointed out that he tries to earn from a disreputable ponzi and porn promoting advertising site.

Originally Posted by okosh

It was called eprofitsurf and it was where you and I first met.....Admin was Dan lund and Colette Larson.....

I did not know that you tried that one "okosh" I put $40 into their Autosurf Money processor to join E-Surfpro and they did change the name when they develpoped the Autosurf Money processor. I am not sure which was the original and which was the new name but they closed the new program down before I had used the surf program to decide if I was going to play that one. They waited till "we newbie suckers" had funded Autosurf Money with the minimum of $40 before they ran.

It was advertised all over Scamlandpro as the next big thing after 12DailyPro and most of us were pretty green as to the world of ponzis in those days. Most of us saw them as harmless money games.

[QUOTE=klagoosh;34438]Many times in history, companies have changed direction for good or for bad. QUOTE]

When the Person who is likely to win Scamland's POTW is a person who up till recently promoted F5Mmillionairesclub and has dropped it in favour of ProfitClicking and the person who runs the POTW competition was a MPB promoter and a strong supporter of Gary Colhuln for years, I would say that Adlandpro has changed it's direction for the worse rather than the better.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I did not know that you tried that one "okosh" I put $40 into their Autosurf Money processor to join E-Surfpro and they did change the name when they develpoped the Autosurf Money processor. I am not sure which was the original and which was the new name but they closed the new program down before I had used the surf program to decide if I was going to play that one. They waited till "we newbie suckers" had funded Autosurf Money with the minimum of $40 before they ran.

It was advertised all over Scamlandpro as the next big thing after 12DailyPro and most of us were pretty green as to the world of ponzis in those days. Most of us saw them as harmless money games.

More bullshit!!!!.....

It started mid 2005 and paid fast up untill the SEC shut down 12dp....In other words it was piggybacking 12dp....

Autosurf money was created right after 12dp was shut down....the story was that it would replace stormpay.....The truth was that the program was dead and this was the only way they could continue to delay paying....
Within a month they fed members the refund story.....

Maybe it's time to accept that your memory is not as good as you think, say sorry to klagoosh and call it quits??.....

Originally Posted by okosh

More bullshit!!!!.....

It started mid 2005 and paid fast up untill the SEC shut down 12dp....In other words it was piggybacking 12dp....

Autosurf money was created right after 12dp was shut down....the story was that it would replace stormpay.....The truth was that the program was dead and this was the only way they could continue to delay paying....
Within a month they fed members the refund story.....

Maybe it's time to accept that your memory is not as good as you think, say sorry to klagoosh and call it quits??.....

I did not join the one that was run before 12DailyPro, so I can not comment on that. I did join the one where you had to use Autosurf Money after 12DailyPro was closed but I am not sure if it was e-surfpro or E-profitssurf at that stage. You said did not join Adlandpro till 2006 so you can't really comment on how it was promoted there. It was heralded as far more trustworthy than any other as the owner and moderator were Adlandpro members.

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Originally Posted by scratchycat

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I have an announcement to make that is pertinent to this thread.

As I am sure is very clear in my posts here (I hope it is clear), I believe there is always hope for people and businesses until they are dead. Perhaps that is a family trait: the MacLennan motto (my mother's side) is "While There's Breath, There's Hope."

I was recently informed by a friend here on RS that a site we were both mutual members of (my friend is no longer a part of that site), was being run by a scammer and porn merchant, and was itself promoting those very things. I had not been active on that site for many years, but it is interesting to note that I had only just been invited back by another member to say "hi," when my friend from RS invited me here and shared these concerns with me.

Naturally (to those who know me, you understand the "naturally" part), I immediately began to follow up on this information, looking for the problems. What I discovered was that there have been many members whose choices of products and programs to advertise range from legitimate all the way through stupid to criminal, just like any social site I can name, while the site, itself, did not promote any illegal activity, at least in recent times, nor did the owner of the site.

I know there are those who disagree with me, and some more strongly than others, but in my opinion, illegal or questionable activity by members of a social site does not make the site nor the owner either a criminal or a scam(mer). Such activities DO, however, put a burden on the owner to do all that is possible to make the site as safe as possible for other members and visitors. Such has been the ongoing challenge even for supersite, Facebook. Even today, as I visit my Facebook page, a large photo of a viagra pill shows up prominently on the right side of the page, and oftentimes, scantily clad young women and ads for personals, which I would prefer not to have showing up on my page. However, Facebook both allows and profits from them, and in fact, Google advertises these things all the time. I would not recommend Google Adsense on a church website. The reasonable reaction to this is to make the decision whether the ads allowed on the site are offensive enough to warrant cancelling my membership, or if I can live with them. Everybody has this same choice with any social site.

Regarding Adlandpro, also familiarly called 'Scamlandpro' by folks here due to obvious major differences between these folks and those who are still members of Adlandpro, I have seen the links presented here, have followed up on them (many very disgusting and/or criminal), and have also spent considerable time on the search engines, and have come to the conclusion that there is much work to do on Adlandpro, but the business is not a scam promoting business, nor a porn promoting business. It is a business that has been abused by members who have not followed the rules. Such is the nature of this business, which is why I had to shut down my own sites when I became unable to police them.

I want everybody to know, I have not enjoyed having my own honesty and ethics called into question, but am over it, not angry, and accept that folks are entitled to their own opinions and interpretations. We are all, after all, only human. I remember when my little brother and I built our shop, back when we were partners in a boat repair business. We didn't even own the land or the building, but had a special deal that cut our costs considerably, if we built it, ourselves. We paid our employees a good, fair wage, but could barely feed ourselves, after all our expenses, yet there were people who openly accused us of being wealthy business owners who were ripping people off to become even richer. Such is life.

Today, I am putting my money where my mouth is, figuratively speaking. I have just accepted an offer to work from Adlandpro on a range of projects aimed at major improvements throughout the site. At this time, I am not yet ready for full time work, but am looking forward to the hours I can devote to this, and am looking forward to being an agent of positive changes.

Due to some of the feelings some members of this site have, I will understand and respect if the administrators no longer want me here. If I must go, I will, and will simply continue working to protect people from scams the same way I always have. I have started a couple of threads, here, and again, if I can no longer be a part of them, I would request that they do not be dropped, but continued by others here, some of whom I believe have far more experience in this kind of thing than I do. A scam is a scam is a scam. It doesn't matter where the heads up comes from.

If anybody is willing, I would appreciate any positive suggestions for things that could improve the company I am now working for. I can be reached through any of my websites.

God bless you all,

Dave

The ownwer of Adlandpro does not employ moderators and super moderators so there is no way that the it can be properly policed. One member with good intentions can not work round the clock. The small core of members who are trying to keep Adlandpro alive are promoting ProfitClicking. One member with good intentions aided by ProfitClicking promoters will have very little influence in that community.

The place is littered with cash gifting promoters. Anybody who has read RS Blessings thread can see the case against Scamlander Jose Love. Perhaps Klagoosh can get Bogdan Fiedur to comment on why he allows Jose Love to remain in his community.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

The ownwer of Adlandpro does not employ moderators and super moderators so there is no way that the it can be properly policed. One member with good intentions can not work round the clock. The small core of members who are trying to keep Adlandpro alive are promoting ProfitClicking. One member with good intentions aided by ProfitClicking promoters will have very little influence in that community.

The place is littered with cash gifting promoters. Anybody who has read RS Blessings thread can see the case against Scamlander Jose Love. Perhaps Klagoosh can get Bogdan Fiedur to comment on why he allows Jose Love to remain in his community.

Thank you for your concerns and warnings. I do appreciate them. However, I have taken on tasks in the past that no one else wanted to take on, and am still alive, and so far the stress has not done me in. I have learned not to try to fix everything at once, but to break it down into small chunks and deal with the parts individually. Such an approach has proven very effective, and is kind of like stacking firewood. You can't possibly stack every piece at once, but over time, all those small and seemingly insignificant pieces become the whole pile.

Again, I am open to any positive suggestions or ideas for any areas of the site that need work.

God bless,

Dave

Originally Posted by klagoosh

I will understand and respect if the administrators no longer want me here.

Why on earth would we not want you here ???

Today, I am putting my money where my mouth is, figuratively speaking. I have just accepted an offer to work from Adlandpro on a range of projects aimed at major improvements throughout the site. At this time, I am not yet ready for full time work, but am looking forward to the hours I can devote to this, and am looking forward to being an agent of positive changes.

Bless you Dave. I tried this for a number of years. If you want to work for Bogdan Fiedur that is your choice. I was very fond of Bogdan and a supporter of Adlandpro for many years. If you feel this is something you must do, then by all means DO IT! How you can make a website such as Adlandpro a "clean and worthy site" is beyond me. Follow the money trail. Where does it get the money to operate? Where does the money come from??? If that is what you choose to support then go for it.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Why on earth would we not want you here ???

No problem with Dave being here but are we going to support the scam promoted in Adlandpro (Scamlandpro)??

Originally Posted by scratchycat

No problem with Dave being here but are we going to support the scam promoted in Adlandpro (Scamlandpro)??

That's two distinctly separate issues.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Thank you for your concerns and warnings. I do appreciate them. However, I have taken on tasks in the past that no one else wanted to take on, and am still alive, and so far the stress has not done me in. I have learned not to try to fix everything at once, but to break it down into small chunks and deal with the parts individually. Such an approach has proven very effective, and is kind of like stacking firewood. You can't possibly stack every piece at once, but over time, all those small and seemingly insignificant pieces become the whole pile.

Again, I am open to any positive suggestions or ideas for any areas of the site that need work.

God bless,

Dave

Dear Friend, you have no idea what has taken place. I am sure you have heard from many sides and all your "friends". Well, I took that task on also and worked very hard to bring members back to Adland, I promoted it, sent out letters monthly because I had a PAID account. Some members did not like me for several reasons and I was a victim of their harassment for many years. There are still threads with personal defamation. WHY?? Because I spoke my opinions and they objected and Bogdan Fiedur let them control him.

You can support this website if you want. I do not. There are many reasons why not. I have seen from this side of many members returning because of the wave happening in POTW. Look at that forum and decide for yourself. Almost all of them are promoting some kind of scam. If that is what you want to promote, then so be it. I am happy to be away from the place even if they can't seem to break with me. If you want to know of the threads they hold as trophies with insults against me, I can find them for you.

I do not support Adlandpro anymore and I thank God that He delivered me from that place.

Originally Posted by scratchycat

No problem with Dave being here but are we going to support the scam promoted in Adlandpro (Scamlandpro)??

Thank you. I hope that you will continue working hard to expose any and all scams you come across, no matter where you find them. It is the scammers that ruin a social site, and a lot of lives in the process. Nail 'em to the wall!!