Thread: Scamlandpro - Your One-Stop Site for all Scams!

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Contrary to a certain infamous Canadian wannabe scambuster/extortioner's claim, the Canadian authorities would be VERY happy to shut down a Canadian company that is operating illegally. Our authorities and the BBB are NOT a bunch of scammers.

Is this an attempt to discredit Dave Thornton? What evidence can you produce to show that Dave Thornton is an extortioner? If you have any I suggest that you open a separate thread here rather than make snide remarks about a respected RS member in this thread.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Ok... then who put me in the group, right before it fell apart? Someone had the means to do that. Who all had admin for that group? I did not ask to get put in there, but somebody put me in. I am hearing about this happening a lot, lately. Mattias had 269 people suddenly show up in his blog group on FB overnight.

It is possible that I did add you as I added a couple of other people. Anyone in the group was able to add people (as far as I know). I was an administrator at one time but returned only as a member. What difference does it make who added you anyway? I simply do not understand.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Judy, this is quite wearying. Perhaps you have already done it, but I have not seen it. Where is the evidence to support what you are saying about ALP? I know there's a lot of junk on there - there has been for years. But almost all of that makes no money for the owner, because the people who get into that stuff are mainly freeloaders who will complain bitterly when the free things provided for them don't work. Trust me; I had several community sites before I got sick. Free members are a horrible pain in the posterior, and THEY are the ones whose junk you could spend 24/7 deleting.

But you continue to make the erroneous claim that Adlandpro promotes these things. Adlandpro is a classified ad/social media/advertising platform. People promote their stuff there. Adlandpro is simply the platform.

Regarding the porn; where is the evidence? You repeatedly make this claim, yet you provide no evidence. A couple of screen shots of questionable ads is not proof that porn is endorsed or even allowed on Adlandpro. Someone advertising adult toys, while not someone I would want advertising on my website, is not a porn merchant. Some of the screen shots you have provided are not even on ALP. Take another look at the address bar in your own screen shots. The links may have been advertised on ALP, but the site you show in your screen shot is an entirely different site. That is not proof. If you are going to bust someone, you need to produce evidence that is directly showing their involvement.

The shot you showed from a Polish ALP site, I checked out. It is a racy, but not pornographic photo, with no nudity, that is advertising a Polish personals site.

I agree that scams, scammers and illegal porn merchants need to be brought down. I would personally like to see all porn and gambling sites permanently removed from the internet, but unfortunately, they are legal in many jurisdictions.

But if you are going to bring down illegal activity, simply posting accusations on forums is not how it's done. I have gone through forum after forum over the years checking out a company's record, only to discover that I have been wasting my time. Forums are open to every wild accusation that you can imagine for people with an axe to grind. But when the accusations begin to be checked, there is no evidence to support them.

Find REAL evidence. Then give it to the appropriate authorities. Contrary to a certain infamous Canadian wannabe scambuster/extortioner's claim, the Canadian authorities would be VERY happy to shut down a Canadian company that is operating illegally. Our authorities and the BBB are NOT a bunch of scammers.

The items in red are points that I would like to elaborate on.

The evidence has been documented by several members of this community. Some has been posted here in several different threads but most of it has been reported without being posted here. I will try to find the threads where this has been discussed at length and most of those are related to the time when Bogdan Fiedur decided to threaten RealScam and some members with legal action. It could fill a book of all the comments, fighting school room "fake" lawyers and all the other actions brought to light by many of RS members. The evidence is in all the programs, pyramids and Ponzi schemes, total scams trying to make money from downlines. Look at any members signature to see what program they are promoting. How much more evidence do you need? Well, for my part, it has been presented here in RealScam and in documented evidence that I personally have kept records on. For any further explanation try remembering AdSurfDaily and how many members of Adland promoted it.

Since Adland is a platform, how about removing the platform to prevent more people being taken in by their programs?

I do believe a lot of members of RS can point out to you many of the schemes they have helped to bring down.

If you are referring to my friend Dave Thornton, then you really are on the wrong foot. I would turn this one around and have you present your evidence on that one.

Oh and mention of the BBB, for a fee anyone can get an A+ until enough people report them.

Sorry I don't have more time for this today. I could have used Poyol in setting up some computers!! Long process but I am getting there! For those who have my personal email addy, it might take longer...

Originally Posted by scratchycat

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Since Adland is a platform, how about removing the platform to prevent more people being taken in by their programs?

Exactly. Those are my sentiments to a tee.

Originally Posted by scratchycat

It is possible that I did add you as I added a couple of other people. Anyone in the group was able to add people (as far as I know). I was an administrator at one time but returned only as a member. What difference does it make who added you anyway? I simply do not understand.

The issue is who added Bogdan Fiedur?

Bogdan Fiedur's mugshot on a scam breaking community is enough to kill it dead and that is exactly what happened.

Klagoosh claims to be a scam buster. Why has he decided to stand for Scamlandpro's Scammer of The Week Award?

It will be interesting to see what Scamlanders think of this person who has one foot in Scammer camps and and another in the Scambusting camps.

To see the evidence type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2583288/Its-Time-TO-Vote-for-the-350TH-POTW-Award-Winner.aspx?flag=5

Mary Evelyn Simpson, Scamland's Person of The Year aka Scammer of The Year had dropped her Zeek promotions and SURPRISE SURPRISE, she has also dropped the promotion of the unlicenced slimming products from MySiselPro.

We may not know what prompted Mary Evelyn to ditch the MySisalPro products but it comes as no surprise to find that she has started to promote another dubious line of slimming products Plexus Slim Accelerator. Take this woman's "helpful advice" with a shovel of salt.

Mary Evelyn's Slimming Sales Spiel.

Check the product line in the page which is pasted above and think very carefully before applying any unclicenced creams to reduce anything in your breasts as reommended by Mary Evelyn Simpson.

EXample.

Slim/Breast Cream Combo
(1) 30-Day Supply of Plexus Slim and (1) Jar of Dr. Spencer's Breast Cream.
$134.90 Quantity:

It looks as if I was a little behind the times. Mary Evelyn has changed her signature files.

Look at the age reversal and holiday package product line which she is promoting from Sisel products. Avoid this crap like the plague.

Age Reversal Drinks

What on earth are Scamlanders trying to suggest with their epitaph to ZigZigler? Any relation to Zeek or its progeny? Mary Evelyn Simpson and Kathleen Van Beekom seem keen to mourn the loss so it is probably scam related.

ZigZigler Epitaph presented by Mary Evelyn Simpson

type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2501135/Mary-Evelyns-Koffee-Klatch/591.aspx

Penny for your thoughts on the matter!

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I invited you into this forum because I thought that you were interested in helping us bust scams. It looks as if your main interest is not in scam busting but a desire to act as Devil's Advocate for Adlandpro.

I do not need to show you the evidence as SMM has already posted pages and pages of porn from Scamland in RS threads and I found a more recent one to show your friend Dianne to show you that it is ever present.

Adlandpro Porn Example.

That is not proof at all of ALP promoting porn. Grab a brain,Judy. That screen shot CLEARLY shows that your example IS NOT on Adlandpro. I am NOT playing devil's advocate for Adlandpro; I am simply trying to understand how you are coming to your preposterous conclusions. Taking screenshots of pornography from a site other than the one you are trying to bust does NOTHING to help your cause. Show me the REAL evidence that ALP is promoting REAL porn. All I have seen so far is nonsense.

Just because a member of ALP or any other site chooses to show garbage like that on their own site does not make ALP a porn site! That's a ridiculous claim! This is not scam busting. This is juvenile Nancy Drew nonsense, at best. You are lucky you are not going after a real criminal...

Regarding your claim about me playing devil's advocate: You forget that I have not been active on ALP for years. YOU contacted me, after an someone from there invited me back to say hi. YOU WERE VERY OBVIOUSLY HANGING AROUND ON ALP, OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE NOTICED THE ONE TIME I SHOWED UP AND CONTACTED ME! So, who is has the ALP connection, Judith? YOU!! Or, in the event there really IS porn on their sometimes, when the owner doesn't catch it, perhaps it's a prurient interest in the subject that keeps you staring at it hour after hour in the hopes you will catch a glimpse of some skin... I don't know, but I must say, you are making a mockery of real scam busting.

Evidence, evidence, evidence! Produce it. You dragged me into this with charges and warnings that Adlandpro and Bogdan Fiedur were promoting pornography and scams, and you warned me that I would probably be called a scammer by people on this site if I didn't distance myself from them, and you warned me that people on Realscam would probably think my debilitating battle with this stinking disease I have was all a scam, yet you, yourself, are the ones who has made these very charges or certainly strong suggestions, on this site!

I trusted you, and you have stabbed me in the back, rather royally. Some friend you turned out to be! BTW, I checked my email box. Every single piece of mail we have recently exchanged since you first contacted me about ALP is in there, so denial is useless. You have made a lot of baseless charges with no evidence (that you have shared with me), and you have proven a very bad friend, indeed.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

What on earth are Scamlanders trying to suggest with their epitaph to ZigZigler? Any relation to Zeek or its progeny? Mary Evelyn Simpson and Kathleen Van Beekom seem keen to mourn the loss so it is probably scam related.

ZigZigler Epitaph presented by Mary Evelyn Simpson

type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2501135/Mary-Evelyns-Koffee-Klatch/591.aspx

Penny for your thoughts on the matter!

Quick question... do you know who Zig Ziglar is? He is pretty famous.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Klagoosh claims to be a scam buster. Why has he decided to stand for Scamlandpro's Scammer of The Week Award?

It will be interesting to see what Scamlanders think of this person who has one foot in Scammer camps and and another in the Scambusting camps.

To see the evidence type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2583288/Its-Time-TO-Vote-for-the-350TH-POTW-Award-Winner.aspx?flag=5

Well, that is most interesting. Thank you for letting me know. I have been out all day, and had no idea. I have asked to be taken out of the vote, as I have not been active on Adlandpro for more than five years. No matter what any one here thinks of my motivation - that is up to the individual - it still would not be right for an inactive member to be in such a contest.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Klagoosh claims to be a scam buster. Why has he decided to stand for Scamlandpro's Scammer of The Week Award?

It will be interesting to see what Scamlanders think of this person who has one foot in Scammer camps and and another in the Scambusting camps.

To see the evidence type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2583288/Its-Time-TO-Vote-for-the-350TH-POTW-Award-Winner.aspx?flag=5

Short answer - longer answer already given - I have not. Thank you for spotting this.

Originally Posted by scratchycat

It is possible that I did add you as I added a couple of other people. Anyone in the group was able to add people (as far as I know). I was an administrator at one time but returned only as a member. What difference does it make who added you anyway? I simply do not understand.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was beginning to think I was being put into places where I would make a nice target for someone. :D

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Klagoosh claims to be a scam buster. Why has he decided to stand for Scamlandpro's Scammer of The Week Award?

It will be interesting to see what Scamlanders think of this person who has one foot in Scammer camps and and another in the Scambusting camps.

To see the evidence type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2583288/Its-Time-TO-Vote-for-the-350TH-POTW-Award-Winner.aspx?flag=5

By the way.... Judith Hortin... why don't we simply stay on an English name basis, since I'm not afraid of being known by my English name. Just call me Dave Cottrell in all your posts. That way, when others here read your raving diatribes, they will be able to look me up on Google and all my associations, good and bad, smart and stupid, legitimate and scammy, over the years. Let's save the good folks of Realscam some time, shall we?

Originally Posted by klagoosh

That is not proof at all of ALP promoting porn. Grab a brain,Judy. That screen shot CLEARLY shows that your example IS NOT on Adlandpro. I am NOT playing devil's advocate for Adlandpro; I am simply trying to understand how you are coming to your preposterous conclusions. Taking screenshots of pornography from a site other than the one you are trying to bust does NOTHING to help your cause. Show me the REAL evidence that ALP is promoting REAL porn. All I have seen so far is nonsense.

I sent a coppy of the Akihow Art up to my server as I knew it would be deleted if, I produced any evidence that it was an Adlandpro member promoting it. Not only was Akihow an Adlandpro member but he or she votes in POTW. Perhaps it was Akihow who nominated you for the Scammer of the Week Award.

Adland Member Akihow

Akihow POTW voter.

SBM has posted so much porn from Scamland in this forum that she may be ignoring your protestations with the contempt which they reserve.

Personally I hope that RS admin gives you your own thread to entertain members like Monkey brain (MMB) and Lutarian.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

By the way.... Judith Hortin... why don't we simply stay on an English name basis, since I'm not afraid of being known by my English name. Just call me Dave Cottrell in all your posts. That way, when others here read your raving diatribes, they will be able to look me up on Google and all my associations, good and bad, smart and stupid, legitimate and scammy, over the years. Let's save the good folks of Realscam some time, shall we?

I have tried Googling for the proof that you were the sole moderator of Lucky7Surf and I could not find it. However legal authoritiies have infiltrated Scamland and if you want to lie about, it will be on record. You can not claim that you were suffering from a debilitating illness in those days.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt about your role in Lucky7surf. NEVER AGAIN. It is my belief tjhat this leopard has not changed its spots. I remember the distress of one Adlander who had intoduced Lucky7Surf to more than forty members of her church and she was devastated by what you had been doing introducing scam programs in Adlandpro.

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Well, that is most interesting. Thank you for letting me know. I have been out all day, and had no idea. I have asked to be taken out of the vote, as I have not been active on Adlandpro for more than five years. No matter what any one here thinks of my motivation - that is up to the individual - it still would not be right for an inactive member to be in such a contest.

Your Scamland mates do not seem to be very supportive when you asked them to remove you from their POTW nomination forum have they? Perhaps they like your promotion of Classified AdsLand too much.

To see Dave's mugshot over there type http:// then community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2583288/Its-Time-TO-Vote-for-the-350TH-POTW-Award-Winner.aspx?flag=12

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Or, in the event there really IS porn on their sometimes, when the owner doesn't catch it.

Deny the fact that there is porn on Adland as much as you like Dave but I think it highly unlikely that you will find many other members backing you up in that claim.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I have tried Googling for the proof that you were the sole moderator of Lucky7Surf [B]and I could not find it. However legal authoritiies have infiltrated Scamland and if you want to lie about, it will be on record. You can not claim that you were suffering from a debilitating illness in those days.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt about your role in Lucky7surf. NEVER AGAIN. It is my belief tjhat this leopard has not changed its spots. I remember the distress of one Adlander who had intoduced Lucky7Surf to more than forty members of her church and she was devastated by what you had been doing introducing scam programs in Adlandpro.

Judy just where would you or I or half the members of real scam be if everyone shared that opinion??....

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I have tried Googling for the proof that you were the sole moderator of Lucky7Surf and I could not find it. However legal authoritiies have infiltrated Scamland and if you want to lie about, it will be on record. You can not claim that you were suffering from a debilitating illness in those days.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt about your role in Lucky7surf. NEVER AGAIN. It is my belief tjhat this leopard has not changed its spots. I remember the distress of one Adlander who had intoduced Lucky7Surf to more than forty members of her church and she was devastated by what you had been doing introducing scam programs in Adlandpro.

Judy, this Lucky7 thing you are raving about is something I have never even heard of. I would strongly suggest that's why you can't find anything about it. You are completely out to lunch and proving more and more that you have lost all credibility. Anybody who pays any attention to your senile ravings is a fool.

Dave Cottrell (Two t's and two l's )

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Judy, this Lucky7 thing you are raving about is something I have never even heard of. I would strongly suggest that's why you can't find anything about it. You are completely out to lunch and proving more and more that you have lost all credibility. Anybody who pays any attention to your senile ravings is a fool.

Dave Cottrell (Two t's and two l's )

That may have fallen off the radar. You may be safe denying that. Lucky7surf was the first autosurf which was launched exclusively for Adlandpro members and there are memers who will remember that one but they may not wish to come forward at this stage. Time will tell on that issue.

May I ask just where this thread is going?? It was started with the title: Scamlandpro - Your One-Stop Site for all Scams! It is true you can visit Adlandpro (Scamlandpro) anytime and find all sorts of "programs" with members exploiting them. This continued debate between members needs to be moved to another thread PLEASE admin.

It has changed the intent of this subject matter.

Dave if you want to defend your leader Bogdan Fiedur and Adlandpro, I suggest you start your own thread to do so. We have already posted enough information on this site to discredit the place, if that is not good enough for you it will not convince you by continuing this battle here.

Judy, if you want to start a thread on Lucky7surf, please do so. It was before my time and TIME is not allowing me to do any investigating on it right now. From now on I ask that we keep to the subject and all the ranting be held in the appropriate threads.

The personal attacks are out of line here. This thread is for the purpose of sharing information about any verifiable scams promoted on Adlandpro. Dave Cottrell was invited here and I think we should be more welcoming. This is not just a scam busting forum and one here need not take any particular side. All viewpoints are welcome. Advertising is not allowed. Open discussion is the goal.

We must be careful to stick to facts and opinion. If one is not able to find reliable documentation then there is no reason to be making accusations against anyone. Questions are of course a welcome part of any discussion.

In the interest of clarity I will point out that Adlanpro was littered with porn:

http://www.realscam.com/f16/bogdan-fiedur-owner-scam-ponzi-promoting-site-adlandpro-threatening-rs-critics-again-955/index9.html#post13473

http://www.realscam.com/f16/bogdan-f...html#post13499

http://www.realscam.com/f16/bogdan-f...html#post13500

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

That may have fallen off the radar. You may be safe denying that. Lucky7surf was the first autosurf which was launched exclusively for Adlandpro members and there are memers who will remember that one but they may not wish to come forward at this stage. Time will tell on that issue.

Oh, I am quite safe, Judy. As far as I know (and I have been wrong, before), such a company never even existed.

Regarding an OLD example of my own battle against scam business opportunities, here is one pulled from your own profile, which you created on 123people.com. It is one of my blog pages from 2006, before I got sick, when I was writing articles about the autosurf "industry", ponzi schemes, etc., and was often looking into things for others who asked me to, because they did not want to get hurt. I joined many, many scam outfits as a free member in those days, because often times you could not get any information on what they were "selling" or how they worked without joining them first.

If you dig deep in the recesses of your memory, you will recall, because you were on Adlandpro as a very active member in those days, that I was one of the first to speak out against the paid autosurf "industry." I don't remember which one it was, now, but it was one of the first, and I don't remember who was promoting it, nor have I looked for the forum post I wrote (it may still be there, somewhere), but I warned the person promoting it and everyone else that it was a program destined to fail.

Did I ever get jumped on for that! Holy cow; I was treated as a pariah by some people! Anyway, the program continued, people joined, more programs popped up, and more people joined. Some people I was foolish enough to highly respect for their business acumen joined some of these things, and eventually I decided to try it, as there seemed to be so much evidence that they were backed up by solid investments. If I had simply done the math, which I am very good at, I would have EASILY determined, as I did later, that they were impossible to fund without being ponzi schemes. I didn't put much in, so didn't lose much, but I do definitely regret ever promoting them, though my promoting wasn't very successful.

If anybody wants to blow the whistle on me for promoting ponzi autosurf schemes, don't bother. It's public record. Read my old blogs. I was not a good promoter, but wrong is wrong, and my real friends know I am sorry. They also know I continuously told them to due their own due diligence, to never assume I was some kind of expert, and to never play more than they could afford to.

Everybody has skeletons in his or her closet. I prefer to have mine out in the open, so I can get on with my life. Everybody makes mistakes, and everybody has to take responsibility for their own mistakes. If we think we are getting away with them, be assured, a day of reckoning is coming. No one is immune, and no one will "get away with it."