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    Fiedurs' tactics in all this are hilarious.

    NONE of the information provided here has been obtained illegally.

    ALL of the information provided has been obtained from the public domain.

    EVERYTHING involving pictures, domain registrations, videos, names and locations has been drawn from sources freely provided by the person/s involved

    NOTHING has been obtained by illegal or underhanded means.

    The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.

    Everything else is froth and bubble.

    The ifs, buts and whys of why Adland did it and does it are irrelevant

    The rationalizations, justifications and blaming are irrelevant.

    The discussions about the rights, wrongs, ethics and morals involved are irrelevant.

    I'll say again:

    The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

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    11/4/2011 11:21:33 PM
    Wallace,
    When I was explaining the business I promote, at RealScam, it was after I had already been called names there for months without knowing that thread existed. How can someone explain a business when under personal attacks, and then all the anonymous people there don't give the targeted person equal chance to explain the business in a fair way, one person under attack by many anonymous people?

    I then went to the Announcements area "Suggestion Box" at that site and suggested that the owner's name be in a prominent place, because why should targeted people have our full names out there when the owner's name was not anywhere?
    Then I was personally attacked in that "Suggestion Box" thread by 2 people, in a place which was for suggestions, then I said those people are like hooded KKK members lynching people, a bunch of ignorant gutless nobodies.
    Then in my thread at Adlandpro "If we see something, we're going to say something" you kept coming back saying the biz I promote is MLM when I've explained many times on both sites that it is NOT MLM.

    I also mentioned you don't know me, I don't know you or most of the people at Realscam, I'd only previously had communications with one of them while she was a member here.
    So most of us there don't know each other any more than if we knew we're racists or not, that was my point.
    That site does not allow people to explain businesses, how can we explain something while under personal attack by several anonymous people, and those attacks started in February and I didn't find that site until the end of September.
    You people had over 7 months to prove or disprove if EZWS is a scam or if the owner or myself are scammers, before I ever found that site. Now it's 5 weeks later, and you're still in the same situation as February, EZWS is still in business and I'm still within the top few earners of it, because I've promoted it daily for 16 & a half months to dozens of ad sites daily, including email-filtering for dozens of safelists, and following up with thousands of tour-takers. I put my work into it every day for 16 & a half months, while you people at RealScam didn't put much effort into learning about EZWS at all, or what it takes to be succesful at online marketing, not just with one business, but with lots of businesses I promote. Daily.

    http://www.realscam.com/f9/how-legit...-solution-533/

    No matter how heated the thread may get, there are very few posts that are edited or removed here. There was nothing to stop you from responding and explaining your business, chickadee. If you can't take the heat you should stay out of the kitchen. Otherwise, explain away, but don't expect intelligent adults to agree with you. This is an open discussion site and you are not in charge and probably aren't going to be able to brainwash the very savvy people here.

    It doesn't matter who the owner is you moron. The owner does not post here any longer. The owner is not liable for what others post here. There are two active admins here that enforce the rules. I don't see a rule against exposing possible or obvious scams, do you, Kathleen??? You choose to advertise publicly on the internet using your own name. That is a choice you will have to live with. If there is something that needs my attention let me know, otherwise it is what it is.

    You can promote your business as you call it, but that doesn't mean that it is legitimate or legal. The vast majority of scams are not prosecuted as law enforcement is way to understaffed and underfunded. You can bet I and many others will call out any opportunities that we feel are uneconomic or outright scams. There is nothing you and Bogdan could possibly do to stop me. All you have done is called a lot of attention to yourselves. And, I have put a great deal of time and tens of thousands of dollars into my efforts to protect the public from scams. You are one of many promoters I have taken issue with. You might want to read a lot more of the threads here and really learn about who we are before you and Bogdan go any further.

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    She's a blatant racist. Only a racist could come up with the ridiculous kkk angle.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    She's a blatant racist. Only a racist could come up with the ridiculous kkk angle.
    That Kathleen really is a piece of work. She has a real talent for totally rewriting existing laws and twisting them to suit her vengeful attacks on those she can't brainwash and control. She never seems to grasp how foolish she makes herself look in the process of all this tomfoolery.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

    Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

    Soapboxmom
    Just for fun I typed Bogdan Fiedur into google.....First hit was for Judy's site....Another for PP blog....Another was for here....

    Still a few spots left for you to fill on the first page SBM

    Edit to add...
    Great page Judy....
    Adlandpro & Bogdan Fiedur. Scam & ponzi advertising service.
    ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    Bogdan Fiedur better take note. If his hideous slam site attacking this site and our member Judy isn't removed pronto I am going to flood the internet with press releases, comments and more domanin names I will procure and totally cover the first page of Google with his antics, so his forum will be buried in the fallout from his hideous slime attack. I will send out notices to all my media contacts and turn this into a huge hullabaloo. I don't take kindly to being threatened and having my valuable time wasted like this and I will respond very publicly and decisively. We will be doing our knitting on the forums. If the RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin stays up, then the gloves will be coming off and it won't be pretty!

    Soapboxmom
    Thanks for what you have done SBM. He has removed his claim that both Sara I were removed from his social networking site for fraudulant activities.

    I have criticised several of his members very strongly because of the scams which they promote. I have criticised others for different reasons but I consider those criticisms justified. For example I consider it very poor taste for Roger Macdivitt to have referred to himself as "Sir Roger whilst he was promoting the Fortune 2x2 scam. It may be legal for him to call himself Sir Roger for games sites or even online forums but the suggestion that our Queen has awarded gongs to ponzi promoters annoys me. Parading as a knight is certainly not doing Adland's Mr MacDavitt any good.

    I have praised many of Bogdan's ex members and those who are still there to the hilt. I host my .co.uk web site with a member of Adlandpro. I started taking HTML lessons from one who was among the first to leave and I would be absolutely delighted to see Luella May as a regular contributor in this forum. She has joined RS and more of her views would be really welcome here. I would also like to hear more from "oldcoot" who is unable to read or write much at present because of ill health. I would be delighted to see Adland's Rose Enderaud here as she can contribute on so many subjects including the history of autosurfing, art, and psychic phenonomen.
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    As the saying goes:

    If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen

    Do these people STILL not understand that they are operating on the (very) PUBLIC Internet? Do they STILL not understand that people, including law enforcement and other professionals working to stop fraud, now understand how the INTERNET works as well as they do, and that they no longer have a monopoly on sending out the message? Do they STILL not understand that we have seen it all before?

    They clearly do NOT understand that Real Scam was established to protect CONSUMERS from scams and to help them from throwing their money away on a bunch of smart a$$ fraudsters. They clearly do not know that they can insult and threaten whoever they like from their own pages, but that it wont stop Real Scam from getting on with its job?

    As LRM concisely put it


    The bottom line is, has and always will be, the fact AdLand, and by extension Bogdan Fiedur, have previously, and continue to accept money for the promotion of illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes.


    So if they wish to continue as before they will just have to put up with being targetted on this board, just the same as the rest of the scam enablers. PERIOD.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

    Wallace

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    You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.


    Hi Wallace,

    Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
    Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
    Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

    This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

    I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
    So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

    Bogdan Fiedur


    The title and purpose of this thread is to examine the friction between Adland and Realscam, not to prove or disprove EZW legitimacy. That is and always has been the purview of enforcement agencies. A certain portion of that friction is due to the reception Kathleen and EZW received at Realscam. A large portion is due to threats by you and her to bring lawsuits and legal actions, as well as your accusations of supposed criminal activities by Realscam admin as well as former members of your own community.
    Thank you Wallace for starting a forum in Adland to try and bring some justification behind the posting of a class action suit against 2 former members and this community, RealScam. I don't believe there is any. I don't imagine the forum will last long unless the big mouths can continue to blow hot air as they always do. Sorry you have to be a loner there but most of us have been banned who could actually bring some truth to light.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

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    SBM, you have my support on that class action suit which is a sham of a threat. I do not know why my name was removed, I have made some attempts at figuring out why and received some suggestions. It really makes no difference because I am a member here and have a right to state my opinions and copy & paste PUBLIC information.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

    I am not sure if you will be able to view this link or not. If you are a member of AIF in Facebook, you will:


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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

    It was started after a member of the administration received a letter suggesting that I should not be an administrator.

    Georgios Paraskevopoulos
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    A short annoncement. Sara G Blow left ALP for her reasons. Sara has always been a very active social worker and she have done lots of excellent forums supporting the teams and all activities in ALP. You may think that she should not stay as an admin in this group. I GO GRANT FOR HER. I know she will never go against her good old friends, she will always support and love this excellent team of old social workers. We all were once active social workers in ALP and we will remain close friends.

    Georgios Paraskevopoulos
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    He later posted this:

    Georgios Paraskevopoulos Hi Goddess of Atlantis!
    I fully agree with you. Of course nobody said here that Sara should go. I can not hide from truth. I got a message from Bogdan which I forwarded to both Patricia and Sara. I can undestand the bitterness of some AdLan...dPro members. Now they don't have anyone to hack on, I mean now they have MONOLOGY there instead of DIALOGUE. My stupid language is so great that it is a lesson of knowing it. MONOS means "alone" and DIA means divide with other wors SHARE. WISDOM is ti be shared and not to be kept for ourselves.
    We will go on and Sara REMAINS as co-Admin with me and Patrica Bartch. We were the first members here.
    The irony of this is the FACT that I am the person who added Bogdan Fiedur to the group.

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    RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 1:41:20 PM
    I honestly feel.....that Bogdan and Kathleen.....have given the "right explanation".

    Appreciated.....!

    I am with Bogdan and Kathleen.......!

    With lots of Love, Affection, Respect and Prayers......!

    Friendly Yours,

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    Is the same person who posted this in Adlanders in Facebook:

    Mohamed Khadar Gani Hai.....Friends.....! I am with you......! I request Sara not to leave AdlandPro.......(if she was asked to leave.....then that is something different).
    33 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Mohamed Khadar Gani My Friend......Gerorgios......! Let us not....miss......Sara.......Please ?
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    RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 3:49:43 PM
    Please expand, as there is no comparison. I do feel that way as that is exactly what you have done. I suggest those that cast stones (accusations) not live in glass houses. Wasn't Wallace, a name we recognize as someone's protector/husband? Now the pieces are coming together, the blow hards never cease to amaze and offend.
    Oh how he loves using those words!!

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    Venerina Conti9:25am Nov 5
    I am sorry but what has one thing got to do with another? This is not an Adland site. This is Facebook and it would be stupid, selfish and petty to not let Sara continue to be an admin here. So what if she left AdlandPro? That doesn't make her less of a friend to those who she has followed and been followed by over the last x amount of years. I suggest that immature members of AdlandPro stay in AdlandPro with their heartlessness. If they don't like Sara being an admin here, then let them leave the group!
    These are the kind of responses they have been getting in the request to remove me from AIF.

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    Re: Bogdan Fiedur of Adlandpro Threatening Suit Against Realscam.com

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    11/5/2011 6:26:59 AM
    You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.
    Hi Wallace,

    Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
    Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
    Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

    This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

    I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
    So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

    Bogdan Fiedur

    Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here. Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?

    Robert Fitzpatrick and Dr. Jon Taylor, for their usual fees, might be willing to do a thorough analysis of a business opportunity and prepare an in depth report. How much are you willing to spend, Boggy??? They are without question the experts.

    Not to mention there are very knowledgeable posters here and in fact there are numerous legal and financial experts that post and volunteer at Quatloos.com. Why not start discussions of questionable business opportunties there as well??

    Let's get to it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchycat View Post
    These are the kind of responses they have been getting in the request to remove me from AIF.
    You absolutely should stay an active admin and member on Facebook. That should be the social site and an enjoyable spot for all. Adlandpro is not a community or social site. It is a place that is designed to solicit businesses of which some are legitimate and some are egregious scams. Never the twain shall meet!

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    RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam11/5/2011 3:49:43 PM
    Please expand, as there is no comparison. I do feel that way as that is exactly what you have done. I suggest those that cast stones (accusations) not live in glass houses. Wasn't Wallace, a name we recognize as someone's protector/husband? Now the pieces are coming together, the blow hards never cease to amaze and offend.
    This is hilarious!!! Now I get it!! He thinks Wallace is my husband!!!

    Best joke today!!

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    Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here. Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?
    EXACTLY!! The thing is most members are not going to come here and read it, so it is safe to ask that in ALP. Someone should post the explanations or at least part of them. Bet that will be deleted real soon!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soapboxmom View Post
    Bogdan


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    11/5/2011 6:26:59 AM
    You have explained why you think your business is legitimate, others have explained why they think it is not. The decision is still yours as are the responsibilities and/or rewards/consequences.
    Hi Wallace,

    Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
    Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
    Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

    This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

    I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
    So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

    Bogdan Fiedur

    Kathleen's business has been thoroughly exposed and evaluated here. Isn't that what you goons were complaining about to begin with?

    Robert Fitzpatrick and Dr. Jon Taylor, for their usual fees, might be willing to do a thorough analysis of a business opportunity and prepare an in depth report. How much are you willing to spend, Boggy??? They are without question the experts.

    Not to mention there are very knowledgeable posters here and in fact there are numerous legal and financial experts that post and volunteer at Quatloos.com. Why not start discussions of questionable business opportunties there as well??

    Let's get to it!!!

    Soapboxmom
    Sounds like he's wanting to drag clem into it. lol.

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    RE: Bad Blood between Adland and Realscam


    11/5/2011 1:00:18 PM
    Wallace,
    I was referred to as a "culprit" in the first post by the person who started that thread, with no explanation, and also my ad was accused of being against FTC rules, when it is not, because I did earn that, and all I did to earn that money was post ads online and send followup emails, just like EZWS says is possible...those are things that most onliners do every day, that is an achievable income for people who put in an effort just to do those simple things online.
    The people who THINK the business is not legitimate only gave their opinions and speculations. Can ANY of you explain the pay plan from memory, if you've ever studied the pay plan?

    Of all the thousands of worldwide members of EZWS for 4 years, there are no posts anywhere online from any members or former members stating they didn't get the products/services they paid for...
    People pay $10 for the sales sites, mailing system and tracking system, they all get those, and then some choose to pay for one to all five of the digital product packages with master resale rights, and they get those.
    Of all the dozens of Adlandpro members in EZWS, none of them have made any statements in this community about not getting what they paid for from EZWS. During the several weeks of this situation, have you seen any Adlandpro/EZWS members saying they didn't get what they paid for?

    If people don't earn money, it's because they don't put in a longterm consistent effort to advertise and gain tour-takers, and followup and tell them the benefits of joining. Longterm is more than a few days, more than a week. People need to maintain their own focus for months and be self-driven.
    I didn't even see anyone on RealScam who was self-driven enough to thoroughly study the EZWS business and be able to explain it, everyone can watch the pay-plan videos for free and read the transcript of the compensation plan for free, as many times as they want, without putting any money into the business.
    If anyone says digital products are not "real", all those 700 digital products can be printed out onto thousands of pages of real paper. Some of those digital products contain video tutorials, which obviously can NOT be watched from a printed page. Some of them contain autoresponder systems which obviously can NOT be used from a printed page. The "realness" of a digital product is the result of the action taken upon it, not whether or not it can be held in your hand. If people learn something from a video and use that new knowledge to improve their life, that's realness. If people use an autoresponder to handle their business communications and earn money while asleep, that's realness.

    Kathleen, let's start with your atypical earnings claims.

    FTC: What is the Federal Trade Commission Doing to Internet Marketing?
    For good or bad, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission under the Obama administration is going to take a more pro-consumer stance than we’ve seen in years. What’s that mean to your business?With little understanding of how social media works, the FTC will be looking at its prior success in cracking down on deceptive business practices both in franchising and multilevel (MLM)/network marketing.
    Here’s where I see things headed…
    1. Affiliates will be required to disclose financial compensation is involved when they promote a particular product or service in exchange for a commission. In particular, this is going to affect “review” sites, blogger “recommendations,” Facebook posts, and even Tweets that contain affiliate links. This is going to be particularly troublesome for Twitter because of the 140-character limit.
    2. Anyone who receives a complimentary review copy and writes or blogs a recommendation will need to disclose the “freebie” to the reader. That means no more positive spinning buzz for a $2,000 info product as a favor to a friend who gave you a free review copy pre-launch.
    3. Testimonials are going to need verification for accuracy and, if the results are atypical, there will need to be a prominent disclaimer to that effect plus a disclosure as to what are typical results. For example, if Joe Smith claims he made $10,000 the first month using your biz opp product, you better (a) verify Smith’s claim is accurate, (b) let the reader know if those results are atypical, and (c) disclose what the typical purchaser really earns.
    4. If there are expert endorsements, there will likely be a requirement that the endorsement is backed by generally accepted scientific proof (not some wild theory from Dr. Ima Quack who earned her doctorate from the correspondence school New Age University of Alternative Reality Living while institutionalized as a psychiatric patient). Bogus testimonials aren’t going to cut it, particular when your offer relates to earning money or health issues.
    5. In lawsuits and actions by state attorneys general, all of the above will be taken into account when making charges of fraudulent and deceptive trade practices against Internet marketers. That’s in addition to what the FTC and FDA will do at the federal level.
    Type in FTC atypical earnings on Google and Realscam comes up first. Remember my favorite scammers to chase around sued the BBB? Well, Jack Weinzierl's atypical earnings claims were a matter discussed by the BBB's attorney in their winning Summary Judgment Motion. You never know when you could be next, Kathleen. Jack Weinzierl Atypical Earnings.pdf

    Kathleen, people earning money does not make an opportunity legitimate. A handful of people made money in Advantage Conferences. 98% lost money in that adjudicated pyramid scheme. Madoff and his top poeple made money in that scam. Do you think that makes it legitimate???

    Having a product doesn't guarantee an opportunity is legitimate either. If there is no mechanism for retail sales and the majority of the sales occur inside the pyramid to participants in the pay plan, it could be deemed an illegal pyramid.


    TOP MLM NETWORK MARKETING PARTY PLAN LAW BOOK PROTECTS YOU PLUS A LIST OF TOP MLM LAWYERS & LEGAL MLM COMPENSATION PAY PLANS
    The U.S. FTC has been moving steadily toward measuring the amount of Sales to Distributors compared to the dollar amount generated by sales to end consumers (Customers that do not belong to the pay plan). If there aren’t enough Customers, the MLM Company is considered a Pyramid Scheme. Regulators have found that pure pyramid schemes don’t have any end consumer customers. The definition of a Customer is a person that only buys product or services and doesn’t belong to the compensation plan and has no expectation of making money. The FTC Consumer Affairs people said in public speeches (not written rules) that MLM – Network Marketing Companies need to have a minimum of 50% Customers (that do not belong to the pay plan) to prove they are not a pyramid scheme. ....

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #1

    FTC BURNS BURN LOUNGE!

    The money in Burn Lounge was coming from recruiting.... Not the 50% of income from Customers/Product Sales the FTC wants.....

    CASE #2. In this case with Mall Ventures in 2004 the FTC took court action but did not shut the company down.

    CASE #2 PARAGRAPH 9. “Retail Sales” means sales of products, services, or business ventures by defendants, their successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. Retail Sales does not include sales made by a participant in a multi-level marketing program to other participants, recruits, or the participant’s own account....

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #3

    The FTC and Federal Marshals walked into SkyBiz offices on 31 August 2001 and shut the company down. This is normal for the FTC since they don’t want to fight the legal power MLM and other types of companies have. They get a preliminary injunction in secret, walk in, and shut the company down.

    This is from 2 Jan 2002 FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND ORDER FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION REGARDING SKYBIZ INTERNATIONAL LTD. .For complete case see CD-ROM #1 FTC that comes with the law book. Please note the critical elements (causes for action) presented on pages 14 and 15 of the lawsuit in this case. The third paragraph is the newest refined and the biggest change in the Customer direction for the FTC in determining MLM vs. Pyramid Scheme. The height of humor (or despair) was when SkyBiz sent out this email looking for Customers a couple of days before the trial started. Have a laugh, or frown, Skybiz did not even know if they had customers that were end users! Read This:

    aaa@attglobal.net; Leslie Tumlin (Jack *********'s buddy in Local Ad Link) ; Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:04 PM

    Subject: Trial Preparation Friends of SkyBiz:



    Urgent To All SkyBiz Members

    We need the names and addresses of EVERY SATISFIED consumer that bought the SkyBiz products and have never sold the business opportunity. We also need the names and addresses of five VERY ZEALOUS Associates who are in the program, but haven't made a whole lot of money. Please keep in mind, we need consumers and associates who would not be reluctant about testifying in court and who presumably are in the United States (for travel purposes). If any of the potential witnesses you suggest are outside the U.S., please identify what country they're in. I need this information at your earliest convenience. Thank you.

    Martin Allen Brown, General Counsel

    SkyBiz

    World Service Corporation

    (Author Note) In this following paragraph, the FTC shows it’s push for “retail sales to customers who don’t belong to the pay plan.”

    CASE #3 PARAGRAPH 15. A lawful multi-level marketing program is distinguishable from an illegal pyramid scheme in the sense that the "primary purpose" of the enterprise and its associated individuals is to sell or market an end-product with end-consumers and not to reward associated individuals for the recruitment of more marketers or “associates” See Gold Unlimited, 171 F.3d at 483-84 (suggesting that based on a statutory survey of state criminal laws against pyramid schemes, this is a difference). See also Ger-Ro-Mar, Inc. v. FTC, 518 F.2d 33. 36 (2d Cir. 1975) (explaining that the distributors profited by earning commissions from their own sales and those of their recruits); In re Amway Corp., 93 F.T.C. 618, 716 (1979) (sponsors do not make money from their recruits' efforts until a newly recruited distributor begins to make wholesale purchases from his sponsor and sales to consumers) ....

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #4

    FTC Press Release: Consumers paid a registration fee to join the NexGen program, and most also purchased a “WebSuite” including the Internet Mall and related goods and services. A “Basic WebSuite”cost $185, including the registration fee, and a “Power Pack WebSuite” cost $555. NexGen allegedly claimed that “each activated business center has the potential to earn up to $60,000 per week.”

    CASE #4 PARAGRAPH 24. NexGen also paid commissions to affiliates on purchases from Internet merchants that resulted from visits to the affiliates' malls. Similarly, affiliates earned commissions from purchases directed to third-party Internet merchants as a result of visits through the malls of their downline. The commissions NexGen paid on these purchases were relatively small compared to the commissions it paid on sales of websuites to new recruits....

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #5

    CASE #5. In the “BigSmart” case, you can see that the FTC is refining its wording of end user and customer. This was a walk in and shut down operation by the FTC and Federal Marshals. You can see some outline of changing requirements:

    CASE #5 Subparagraph C. “Prohibited marketing scheme,” means a pyramid sales scheme, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme or other marketing plan or program characterized by the payment participants of money to the program in return for which they receive (1) the right to sell a product or service and (2) the right to receive in return for recruiting other participants into the program rewards which are unrelated to the sale of products or services to ultimate users. Rewards are “unrelated” to the sale of products or services to ultimate users if rewards are not based primarily on revenue from retail sales.

    CASE #5 Subparagraph D. “Retail Sales” means sales of products, services, or business ventures by Defendant, his successors, assigns, agents, servants, employees, and those persons in active concert or participation with them to third-party end users. “Retail Sales” does not include sales made by participants in a multi-level marketing program to other participants, recruits, or to such a participant’s own account.

    CASE #5 Subparagraph E. “Ultimate users” are purchasers of retail sales.......
    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #6

    On December 9, 1999, the FTC filed suit in U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland seeking a preliminary and permanent injunction and a legal asset freeze against Dallas-based 2Xtreme Performance International that was a Pyramid Scheme (bad one) disguised as an MLM – Network Marketing Company. The FTC legal complaint alleged that the defendants used Web sites, direct mail, infomercials, telemarketing and seminars to convince consumers they could make substantial income by investing in their multi-level marketing scheme, which marketed nutritional supplements, beauty, weight-loss and other products. Marketing materials represented that consumers could expect to earn enough MLM – Network Marketing income to retire in two years, while the pseudo MLM Company ripped them off for $10,000 - $30,000. We can see the shaping of precedent law in the following paragraph. The Final Settlement said:

    CASE #6 Subparagraph F. “Prohibited marketing program” means any marketing program, Ponzi scheme, chain marketing scheme, or other marketing plan or program in which a person who participates makes a payment and receives the right, license or opportunity to derive income as a participant primarily from: (i) the recruitment of additional recruits by the participant, program promoter or others; (ii) non-retail sales made to or by such recruits or their recruits; or (iii) any other payments made by recruits. For purposes of this Final Order, a "prohibited marketing program" does not include a marketing plan or program in which the program promoter demonstrates to the defendant that it has instituted and enforced rules that have the actual effect of ensuring that the participants in the program derive income from the retail sale of goods or services to persons who are end-users of the goods or services and who are not participants in the program....

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #7

    The FTC charged that income from the FutureNet multilevel marketing plan did not depend on sales of the Internet devices they were purportedly selling, but rather on the recruitment of new distributors -- the typical profile of an illegal pyramid....

    FEDERAL MLM - TO PYRAMID CASE HISTORY JEWELWAY INTERNATIONAL

    "CUSTOMERS" CASE #8

    In a pyramid scheme there is almost no emphasis on making retail sales of products to persons who are not participants in the program. According to an FTC expert, earnings claims made in conjunction with promoting a pyramid scheme are false because pyramids inevitably collapse when no new participants can be recruited and approximately 90% (or possibly more) of the participants consequently lose their money..... CASE #8 PARAGRAPH 15. A lawful multi-level marketing program is distinguishable from an illegal pyramid scheme in the sense that the "primary purpose" of the enterprise and its associated individuals is to sell or market an end-product with end-consumers and not to reward associated individuals for the recruitment of more marketers or “associates”
    You Kathleen and your threatening goon Friend Bogdan Fiedur are totally clueless!

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    Sounds like he's wanting to drag clem into it. lol.
    Clem Lemons. Yikes! I hope heBoggy has unlimited hosting available. With that windbag he is gonna need it!

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    11/5/2011 3:16:16 PM
    Wallace,
    ==>> I keep forgetting to ask what is your ID name(s) at RealScam, any and all names you've used in threads regarding me or other Adlandpro members? You know mine is kcvan2011 over there, so it's in fairness that we should all know yours so we can go look to see everything you wrote there.
    As far as whether or not RealScam members are racist, as long as that thread remained after October 24th with my name and Jason Lamure's names in it, or any other posts there with our names, to try to cut us down and potentially cause me to lose income for both my one-fourth Indonesian sons, and potentially cause him to lose income for his 3 sons who are one-fourth Native American, and he's also half Native American, that is knowingly perpetuating a loss of income for 7 people, 6 of whom are of minority descent. My sons are also the grandsons of a WW2 concentration camp survivor, so my ex-husband and his branch of our family almost didn't exist because of haters from a very long time ago.
    My post of October 24th when I mentioned it: http://community.adlandpro.com/forums/post/2483300/IfWeSEESOMETHINGWereGoingToSAYSOMETHING/17.aspx
    Also, my half-Indonesian ex-mother-in-law was held captive in a Philippine concentration camp when she was a small child in the 1940's, with her sisters and mother, under abusive and starvation conditions, that's verifiable, they received a small monetary amount for that a few years ago when she was in her 60's.

    So I'm keeping my opinion about the anonymous attackers at RealScam trying to continuously cut the potential and motivation and kill the human spirit of people who try hard to maintain their lives. If that continued after my Adlandpro post of October 24th, then it's true, people at RealScam ARE a group of anonymous hate perpetuators.
    When you personally attack people you don't know, you're attacking the future of the entire world in front of the entire world. Then to keep doing it, is just pointless hate.

    Kathleen, you are the idiot that brought your personal life into this. Exposing possible scams is in no way perpetuating hate. It is a public service and with law enforcement understaffed and underfunded a very necessary activity. If you and Boggy hadn't taken off after this site with your slam site soliciting a class action lawsuit, then you wouldn't be getting all this publicity.

    I am only interested in seeing folks have the information they need to make informed decisions and not end up losing money in questionable schemes. You are only out to threaten and harass people in order to silence legitimate critics. That almost without exception backfires. Expect that if you and Bogdan don't take down that slam site that your name and business will be exposed on many more site, press releases and domain names directed at responding to your class action site. Good luck with that!

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    11/5/2011 5:06:24 PM

    Hi Wallace,

    Why don't you explain here point by point why this business is not a legitimate business for anyone to see here at Adlandpro.com.
    Please use specific industry/legal references to prove your points. Bring the best resources proving that this business breaks the law or uses some other unethical means to exploit the promoters/resellers/customers.
    Please be specific/technical as you can and don't use just yours or others opinions.

    This will be a real test for what both sides are claiming and I will use it in the special forum here on the site to inform the users of this program.

    I will also attempt to find an expert in the area of legality of those programs to verify those claims for USA and Canada and will publish his/her findings for public viewing.
    So not only you will have the opportunity to critique the program but also hear the points of those who promote it and in addition the legal expert will compile a report for you what they think about it based on your findings and statements of those who promote this program.

    Bogdan Fiedur
    The title and purpose of this thread is to examine the friction between Adland and Realscam, not to prove or disprove EZW legitimacy. That is and always has been the purview of enforcement agencies. A certain portion of that friction is due to the reception Kathleen and EZW received at Realscam. A large portion is due to threats by you and her to bring lawsuits and legal actions, as well as your accusations of supposed criminal activities by Realscam admin as well as former members of your own community.

    The reason of friction is that realscam.com allows their members to hide anonymously and expose other people names linking them to scam including this site as being involved in those activities.

    Yet we know for a fact, that members who we identified on realscam.com were the members of this community and have disagreements with all those who are being accused on realscam.com of scam including two of our community members who even didn't have business for several years.

    We believe that real motivation to accuse those members of being scammers was revenge for being terminated from this site and to punish those who they were in disagreements with.

    If you really are who you are, I'm asking that you upload your own picture here and accept the opportunity to critique the program which I have offered to you. If you know for a fact that it is a scam, you should have no problems showing it.
    If you are going to be able to disclose that program is illegitimate and this will be confirmed by the legal expert who we will hire, you will confirm your accusations of program being a scam. This will be enough for us to apply our community terms towards those who violated it.
    Also you would show that you really stand behind this profile if you could show us some other of your identities you have on the internet so we could verify that you are a real person. The same way as we do here.

    The legality of my actions towards realscam.com is not for you to discuss with me here. For this are legal experts and they will be looking into this and have discussion in appropriate settings.



    Bogdan Fiedur


    Boggy, you are not going to end the time honored practice of allowing posters to post anonymously on the internet. You are delusional if you think that is going to happen by harassing this site. You can run your site any way you wish, but I will not be bullied by you or any other scam promoters! Staying anonymous is savvy for those exposing possible scams as I have faced a frivolous suit and been threatened on numerous occasions. You, Bogdan, are obsessed with exposing your detractors when you should be focusing on intelligently refuting what we say. You had better get that site RealScamClassActionSuit.com Judy Hortin down pronto before the deluge of scathing responses go up literally all over the net.

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    11/5/2011 6:45:50 PM
    Your TOS disclaims responsibility for member posts, but you seem to think that Realscam should be. That appears to be a bit of a double standard.

    The difference between this site and realscam is that if a person reports to me violation of the terms, I will remove the content and/or terminate the user who commits violation if it is a repeated case. When I requested to remove my name and my business name from the admin of realscam, my request was ignored and further accusations were made towards other members of this site implicating me in each of them after this by the former member of this community.
    The opinions of the legitimacy of the programs are just exactly that based on observation and interpretation of statutes. Your interpretation may be different.If you feel that all "opportunities" offered at Adland are legitimate, go with it, or invoke the disclaimer to avoid the responsibility, your choice. Again, that is not the purpose of this thread, but is a contributing factor to the friction.
    When you quote person name in your statement accusing them of breaking the law, you are not providing the opinion but statement of facts. When you are asked to back up those facts, you seem to be at loss. I don't even know why the program in question is scam because you and those who made those statements have never shown that, except stating that it is a scam.
    When you accusing other person of wrong doing, you should have decency to show it, because you might be correct. Since you are not showing it and only make accusations, you are potentially in conflict with the law, as this is considered slander or defamation.

    And yes, the TOS offer disclaimer that content on this site is responsibility of those who placed it. We remove content which violates our terms when reported.


    Bogdan Fiedur


    The name of your website, Adlandpro will never be removed from this site and neither will your name, Bogdan. We have the right to discuss whatever we wish here. You are not in charge, Boggy. The rules here are honored and clearly state "The administrators and moderators will also use good judgment and what they decide goes, so please heed any warnings you are given." I chose not to remove the material you objected to because there was no legitimate reason to do so. I am warning you that you have started a battle that I will finish.

    I have come to know many scam victims very well. I have seen the emotional pain and financial ruin. I buried my best friend who came to live with us after her losses in MLM left her homeless. She took her own life as she saw no hope of recovering financially and her MLM involvement had cost her her only child. I have been sued and repeatedly threatened. That has just steeled my resolve to look out for those who could be harmed. I feel morally and ethically obligated to stand for what is right. You should have discreetly sought legal help before you made a horse's rear out of yourself. You are not going to rewrite federal law which states that the owners and administrators of sites are not responsible for the content of others. Nor, are you going to make any case law.

    It has been explained ad nauseum on here and on Adlandpro why Kathleen's clunker is a scam and the many red flags associated with it. How many times must we rehash it? Read the thread and do demand the average earnings and the percentage of retail sales for that opportunity so we can discuss it further since you seem so anxious to confirm there are many red flags for that deal!

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    I love the humorous remarks on the Facebook page a lot of former Adlanpro members congregate on. Who can beat this one:

    ....the friends you keep when you have left. It's a great place to leave. lol
    Anyone who wants to be safe from being scammed and wants to keep their good reputation intact will be leaving with all due haste!!!

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