Thread: US Homeland Security seizes Payza funds

Originally Posted by Payzateam

Its easy to know the reason why thousands of users prefer payza instead of paypal specially in some regions where they cannot use paypal.

People who chose payza don't care about such ridiculous laws and the only laws they care are god laws and NOT laws that serves only to help the enrichment of political rulers...

Do not know which gods you worship over there at Payza, but i never heard such god's laws as closing eyes on investment fraud,drug trafficking, terrorism financing, credit card fraud, enabling child pornography and letting criminals to get away with their loot.
This kind of clients you want for yourself ?

AML policies and cross border transaction monitoring did not come just because governments wanted a piece.


Also your clients do not prefer Payza over Paypal, they also use Paypal when they do legal transfers, most of your users use Payza because there is a MLM Pyramid or a Ponzi or a Warez site or some other cybercriminals take only it or other shady processors.

Originally Posted by Payzateam

Its easy to know the reason why thousands of users prefer payza instead of paypal specially in some regions where they cannot use paypal.

People who chose payza don't care about such ridiculous laws and the only laws they care are god laws and NOT laws that serves only to help the enrichment of political rulers...

Spoken like a true scammer. lmao

Originally Posted by NikSam

Do not know which gods you worship over there at Payza, but i never heard such god's laws as closing eyes on investment fraud,drug trafficking, terrorism financing, credit card fraud, enabling child pornography and letting criminals to get away with their loot.
This kind of clients you want for yourself ?

AML policies and cross border transaction monitoring did not come just because governments wanted a piece.


Also your clients do not prefer Payza over Paypal, they also use Paypal when they do legal transfers, most of your users use Payza because there is a MLM Pyramid or a Ponzi or a Warez site or some other cybercriminals take only it or other shady processors.

Such ridiculous laws that exist in paypal policies and don't exist in payza are totally worthless. As I said above serves only to help the enrichment of such rulers by charging more fees but it has absolutely no efficiency in the prevention of money laundering and all other cibercrimes...

You should take a look at payza T&C where its described our anti money laundering policies. Payza does not close eyes to criminal activities you refer above.

And clients who live in a country where paypal is not supported they can only use payza legally...

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Originally Posted by Payzateam

People who chose payza don't care about such ridiculous laws and the only laws they care are god laws and NOT laws that serves only to help the enrichment of political rulers...

The hair stands up on the back of my neck when I see asinine statements like this as it is flat out saying accepted law means nothing to your company. People should have serious trust issues with you.

Originally Posted by Payzateam

.... Payza does not close eyes to criminal activities you refer above. ....

Oh please, cut the crap.
Yes you did announce that financial fraud is no longer welcome at Payza on July 20, 2012 (right when you created anarchist's EgoPay just for those criminals)

But if in just 10 mins i could spot ten of investment frauds you currently enable or recently enabled (and let criminals to run with the money), what the hell you paying money for to your "compliance department" ?

Do you need some freaking court decision to tell you who is conducting crime, are you brain dead ? do i need to remind you that any investment activity is regulated in Canada (+Quebec) as well as in UK (or any freaking banana island if you want), did you ever verify if fraudsters who use you posses any authorization to solicit public ?

Here is a small list of your criminal clients, i spent just 10 minutes to spot:

dailyshare.pro
investskril.com
paypinvest.com
egopayhyip.com
solcash.com
adclickxpress.com
uecentre.com
sunbirdforex.com
3pamm.com
BannersBroker.com
adhitprofits.com


As for the rest type of crimes, i will leave it to the appropriate agencies to deal with you.

Originally Posted by baylee

People should have serious trust issues with you.

"In God we trust" but not in such US bureaucratic laws...

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Originally Posted by NikSam

Oh please, cut the crap.
Yes you did announce that financial fraud is no longer welcome at Payza on July 20, 2012 (right when you created anarchist's EgoPay just for those criminals)

But if in just 10 mins i could spot ten of investment frauds you currently enable or recently enabled (and let criminals to run with the money), what the hell you paying money for to your "compliance department" ?

Do you need some freaking court decision to tell you who is conducting crime, are you brain dead ? do i need to remind you that any investment activity is regulated in Canada (+Quebec) as well as in UK (or any freaking banana island if you want), did you ever verify if fraudsters who use you posses any authorization to solicit public ?

Here is a small list of your criminal clients, i spent just 10 minutes to spot:

dailyshare.pro
investskril.com
paypinvest.com
egopayhyip.com
solcash.com
adclickxpress.com
uecentre.com
sunbirdforex.com
3pamm.com
BannersBroker.com
adhitprofits.com


As for the rest type of crimes, i will leave it to the appropriate agencies to deal with you.

Like in any other pay processors there are always violations and obviously its almost impossible to resolve all cases as soon as we wish... Payza already suspended many accounts for violators and will keep doing that on future. But this is not anything that happens only with payza! All other famous pay processors face the same problems. Unfortunately any payment system is a very attractive tool for criminals and that is the world where we live...

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Originally Posted by Payzateam

"In God we trust" but not in such US bureaucratic laws...

I'm pretty sure every country has laws against theft. lol

Originally Posted by Payzateam

"In God we trust" but not in such US bureaucratic laws...

Sorry, canadians have almost the same laws, the only difference is your canada is bureaucratic and government agencies employees (specifically in Quebec) incompetent to enforce them. QC officials more concerned making sure nobody dares to speak english there instead of doing their damn job and uphold the laws.
Needless to say that is what created a scammers paradise in Canada, but your law enforcement is too dumb to realize it.

I tried to decipher which god you trust in, sorry, have no idea, Maybe Loki or Lucifer. In mainstream religions I cannot figure out which god protects money launderers.

Originally Posted by Payzateam

Like in any other pay processors there are always violations and obviously its almost impossible to resolve all cases as soon as we wish... Payza already suspended many accounts for violators and will keep doing that on future. But this is not anything that happens only with payza! All other famous pay processors face the same problems. Unfortunately any payment system is a very attractive tool for criminals and that is the world where we live...

Suspicious activity report, ever heard of it ?
How many obvious criminals did you bring to Justice ? – i see not a single case.
So, somebody opens an account, and you see thousands of other people sending money to it, sometimes even with transaction notes
such as "deposit to ...", account holder does not seem to sell any goods but on their site advertises outrageous HIGH investments, what does Payza do, even after
complaints from victims ? - "all transactions are non refundable" and you let a scammer freely cash out his loot to some offshore bank or unlicensed exchanger.

Why scammers trying to avoid PayPal ? - because they know they will be caught there fast.
Why scammers like Payza ? because they know you will help them to run for a small share of ill-gotten gains in form of fees.

Please stop, pretending like you care, you only care on getting fees, and if you freeze some scammers account is only to keep money yourself.
You are in violation of laws in almost every country in the world. stop the crap that US is your only problem, US is one of not many where laws are enforced and not only exists on paper. You are not just a bank for criminals , you and shady or illegal processors like you are the main enabler of scammers, you create them.


PS: if you trust in God, than accept what is coming for you as his act.

Originally Posted by Payzateam

Like in any other pay processors there are always violations and obviously its almost impossible to resolve all cases as soon as we wish... Payza already suspended many accounts for violators and will keep doing that on future. But this is not anything that happens only with payza! All other famous pay processors face the same problems. Unfortunately any payment system is a very attractive tool for criminals and that is the world where we live...

So we can look forward to you suspending this account immediately?:

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-b...html#post66000

An interesting judgement poped up in Montreal court on october 29th , involving Firoz Patel (payza/alertpay/egopay owner).
It is about a dispute with Patrick Masse over a "secret" 60% per year investment in 2006 they fight about but fail to explain to court what is it.
Masse accuses that Patel loaned him money to invest , but Patel claims he did not and invested that money himself in some other opportunity.

A list of companies involved in that secret investment:
FIDES,
Hubble Holdings Ltd
Crowne Gold Inc.

A list of persons involved in that secret investment:
Patrick Masse (Dominican republic)
Fernand Sirois
John Doyle (UK)
Canac-Marquis
Alain Doyon
Maria Spiliopolous
Sylvain Fortier
Claude Lapointe
Dave Tremblay
David Roy Androkovich


Judgement: Décision

Let us hope that this is a mammoth sized nail in the coffin of Firoz Patel and his cronies.

Some of you may remember his association with Bob Krimm. My favourite memory was the time when I had a phone call from "Terry The Banker or W---ker" pretending to be a Canadian Government agent who wanted me to stop digging for dirt on Mathew Nunn as he said, it was interfering with an official investigation. The "Canadian Government official" alias Terry The Banker went on to bribe me by saying that a top investigative journalist would pay me handsomely to publish dirt on Firoz Patel. I pretended to have been taken in for a couple of weeks but then I published the fact that Firoz Patel must be fairly low in the ranks of con artists beccause of his association with characters like Bob Krimm, Terry himself and Mathew Nunn. With friends like that who needs enemies!

When Terry's lawyers tried to threaten me wirh libel and or defamation, I told them that their client was nothing but a big girl's blouse and I heard nothing more. However I am curious to know if Terry had fallen out with his erstwhile friend Firoz Patel or whether he was dumb enough to think his bribes cut any ice with me.

Does anybody have any up to date information on the -anker and his association with Patel?

Originally Posted by NikSam

Crowne Gold Inc.

Referenced as a conduit in the infamous EMG/Finanzas Forex forfeiture case filed in the Middle District of Florida in 2010. Some of the EMG/Finanzas money was tied to a narcotics investigation in Arizona.

Affidavit – US v Evolution Market Group

The document above might make your head spin. It shows the methodical layering of money-laundering schemes and how almost superhuman patience is required to reverse-engineer a criminal enterprise. At one level, it makes you marvel at the work the Feds can do. At another level, it makes you wonder whether the MLM HYIP trade (be it "product-based" or a straight-line HYIP such as JSSTripler/JustBeenPaid) has become one of the greatest threats to national/international security. Dark forces simply won't be denied. Hell, in Profitable Sunrise, Americans were sending bank wires to a ghost and telling a straight-faced tale that participants would receive an interest rate of 2.7 percent a day -- plus "compounding."

Zeek Rewards sold the compounding angle, too. And TelexFree, like others before it, appears to have created conditions under which participants could set up their own money-laundering networks. ASD and Zeek both created that condition.

The U.S. Feds have described Crowne Gold Inc. as "an unlicensed business that shady characters used to launder money," according to a Jan. 15, 2013, citation in U.S. Tax Court.

Citation (italics added):

____________________________________________

[Sean M.] Trainor was president and a director of Crowne Gold, Inc. According to Trainor, Crowne Gold was a squeaky-clean small business that allowed its clients to buy, sell, and make payments in gold and other precious metals. According to the U.S. Secret Service, the IRS, and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, Crowne Gold was an unlicensed business that shady characters used to launder money.

Trainor argued that Crowne Gold didn’t transmit money, just gold, and that any money transfers between his customers were merely incidental. The government
said that Crowne Gold keeps the treasure in one big, disorganized heap and allowed its customers to freely and anonymously exchange rights to their pieces of the pile.

By not registering with the state and federal governments as a money-transmitting business, the firm avoided being subject to antimoney-laundering laws designed to alert the authorities to suspicious customer transactions. That’s what let Crowne Gold charge fees so far above the market that--at least according to government
affidavits--only money launderers and Panamanian Ponzi schemers were willing to pay them

Source: http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistor...mo.TCM.WPD.pdf

____________________________________________

A Task Force involved in the AdSurfDaily Ponzi bust (2008) also was involved in the EMG/Finanzas Forex case. Some of the "program" participants allegedly received instructions that, if they wanted out, they had to steal their way out to recover their investments. This allegedly would be accomplished by individual participants gathering money directly from recruits -- and then simply holding on to it. Not sure how much this dynamic was in play, but it set the stage for recruits who recognized they'd been swindled to do the same thing: Recruit a mark. Get his/her money. Call it Even Steven.

Part of the narrative surrounding EMG/Finanzas Forex was that investors were helping kidnapping victims in South America win their freedom.

PPBlog

An interesting change happened to UK MSB registration of Payza a year ago, and i missed, the change happened almost right after i posted about their registration (#900108) here

so , the MSB registration now belongs to Damaras Limited (#08029472) (with contact person Nigel Atterbury) and not to Payza.COM LTD (#08822957).
I think it is now safe to say that Payza , yet again , works in UK without a required registration :)


PAYZA_DAMARAS.jpg

Damaras itself is a naughty boy, is due to be stricken off:

PAYZA_DAMARAS02.jpg



BTW: Firoz, if you reading this, your 2014 taxes are already overdue for UK Payza.Com LTD ;) Or you trying to claim you dont conduct business in UK ?

Somebody has to wonder.
How many companies you have to register in the same country to run a single site ?
And how many more across the whole world.

PAYZA_DAMARAS03.jpg

Originally Posted by NikSam

I think it is now safe to say that Payza , yet again , works in UK without a required registration :)

I guess you don't read the Payza blog often enough. Payza has been licensed and operating in the UK since January 2014: https://blog.payza.com/payza-updates...nited-kingdom/

Originally Posted by Payza

... Payza has been licensed and operating in the UK since January 2014:...

Yes it was , till february. Now the license belongs to Damaras Limited (which is about to be dissolved).

Can you please explain the reason why you changed the FCA license holder from Payza.Com LTD to Damaras LTD in february ?

Did you try to hide the name "Payza*" from FCA ?

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yes it was , till february. Now the license belongs to Damaras Limited (which is about to be dissolved).

Can you please explain the reason why you changed the FCA license holder from Payza.Com LTD to Damaras LTD in february ?

Did you try to hide the name "Payza*" from FCA ?

Business law isn't really my strong suit, but from what I understand the move had to do with Payza's pivot to a SaaS model: https://blog.payza.com/payza-updates...-platform-you/

The idea is to create better localized services without affecting the global Payza experience.

I luv paypal :) I have a sneaking suspicion it is registered in MORE countries then this one above DQM

Originally Posted by Gaily

I luv paypal :) I have a sneaking suspicion it is registered in MORE countries then this one above DQM

Actually, one of the things that sets Payza apart from paypal is that we operate in more countries than they do. We have made a firm commitment to developing online economies in countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan and India, where some of our competitors either offer limited services or none at all. Our partners in Bangladesh, Casada Technology LTD, will be presenting at the nation's annual technology and e-commerce conference, Digital World, taking place in February. We have more details on our blog: https://blog.payza.com/e-commerce/in...za-bangladesh/

Tsk, Tsk, tsk.

I see Firoz Patel is trying to fill the void of EgoPay by expanding Payza more and more in HYIP frauds

As HYIP pimp Pavel Abramson posted on his HYIP monitor/blog:

Originally Posted by MNO

...
PAYZA – KEEPS EXPANDING IN THE HYIP INDUSTRY AND ON LOCAL MARKETS

Recently more and more admins have started to realize the potential working with legal payment processors like Payza that can get them in terms of customer satisfaction and the number of US and European customers where the convenience of using Payza has been brought to a new level by introducing direct bank and card withdrawal options for verified customers. Such programs as Rockfeller (reviewed here) and MajesticSwan (reviewed here) already proved to become the fastest growing programs in the HYIP industry by dropping EgoPay and replacing it with Payza which also showed their admins awareness and adaptability to changes that usually lead to success in the long-term. Hopefully the trend continues. Payza is not limiting itself to the HYIP industry where it came back after a long absence, it also keeps their creating juices follow to make Payza a more convenient option for other countries, like Bangladesh, where a conference will be held in a couple of weeks and where more info is given on in the official blog of Payza
...

URL: 29/01/2015. Daily News from the HYIP Industry - MNO Blog


P.S.
rockfeller.biz - Ponzi scheme - takes Payza - offers 3-5% per day





majestic-swan.com - Ponzi scheme - takes Payza - offers 1-3% per day

as well as digadz. and myadvertisingpays if you change your mind and decided to accept that scam.

Uhhhh, Firoz, aren't you haramzadey yourself :)

Originally Posted by Payza

Actually, one of the things that sets Payza apart from paypal

And the main thing that sets Payza apart from paypal is that they are scam friendly and they accept ponzis and other scams without exceptions! Scammers can't use paypal but can use payza to scam online without having their accounts blocked!!! That's why payza increase popularity in hyip scam industry!!!!

HYIP pimps on MNO continue to upraise Payza for enabling fraud through their system: