Thread: Liberty Reserve owner arrested, charged with money laundering, website offline

Originally Posted by Fgold

Why would you like to classify all LR funds as scam money?? It's a virtual fund but was purchased with real money through exchangers just like you buy chips in casino with real money. If such "casino" was ilegall or not it does not matter, specially for gambler's addicters who represent the largest percentage of LR account holders and were victims of such "scam game"...

You actually want me to answer such a silly question??????....

Originally Posted by okosh

You actually want me to answer such a silly question??????....

That is up to you... I've just asked why you thought that every cent in all LR accounts came from scams??? What about those who got it from exchangers, forex brokers that were fully licensed in their regions??? In such cases was not scam money but clean money who were moved between such companies and their customers. Yes money fully cleaned!!

Originally Posted by Fgold

That is up to you... I've just asked why you thought that every cent in all LR accounts came from scams??? What about those who got it from exchangers, forex brokers that were fully licensed in their regions??? In such cases was not scam money but clean money who were moved between such companies and their customers. Yes money fully cleaned!!

I never said every cent...I said a large %....
As for the exchangers.....You claim they were fully licensed....So how do you explain so many being shut down or suddenly closing up shop and vanishing??...
In any case for the most part exchangers were all part of the scam....They just cleaned and helped people to cash out their stolen money....For a fee of course...

Do not forget that about 10 exchangers were owned or under direct control of Kats and Budovsky, it is in court documents.

So they did not even have to pay those exchangers selling their virtual currency, money from the thin air, if you get what i've been saying for long time.


it is not new, Perfect money is setup the same way

Originally Posted by NikSam

Do not forget that about 10 exchangers were owned or under direct control of Kats and Budovsky, it is in court documents.

So they did not even have to pay those exchangers selling their virtual currency, money from the thin air, if you get what i've been saying for long time.


it is not new, Perfect money is setup the same way

As was e-gold with omnipay I believe it was called from memory...

Originally Posted by okosh

I never said every cent...I said a large %....
As for the exchangers.....You claim they were fully licensed....So how do you explain so many being shut down or suddenly closing up shop and vanishing??...
In any case for the most part exchangers were all part of the scam....They just cleaned and helped people to cash out their stolen money....For a fee of course...

I prefer to say that a large % of funds went to scams and not came from scams... The large % of LR funds came from "real money" exchanged with such "fully licensed" exchangers and other type of exchangers... I know that most of exchangers were not legal and were involved in many scam activities and helped scammers to clean their dirty money. I only know 1 or 2 who were really licensed and still on activity now but the same is happening with all other exchangers who got their domains seized. They just movved to new domains and still in activity now....

Originally Posted by NikSam

Do not forget that about 10 exchangers were owned or under direct control of Kats and Budovsky, it is in court documents.

So they did not even have to pay those exchangers selling their virtual currency, money from the thin air, if you get what i've been saying for long time.


it is not new, Perfect money is setup the same way

10 exchangers?? Where did you see such list?? I couldn't find it...

Originally Posted by Fgold

10 exchangers?? Where did you see such list?? I couldn't find it...

For now I give you four, as it was stated in initial press release and I do not have time going all over the non-sealed court documents now,
will give you more / updated number if I spot it in public docs, the rest and which - will have to wait till court disclosure.

In addition to the criminal charges brought in the Indictment, five domain names were seized, namely, the domain name of LIBERTY RESERVE and the domain names of four exchanger websites that were controlled by one or more of the defendants;

URL: http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pres...yReservePR.php

actually, I can mention 5 as some were in the May 15th indictment, under Forfeiture allegation:

exchangezone.com
swiftexchanger.com
moneycentralmarket.com
asianagold.com
eurogoldcash.com

I know of more, but prefer not to mention them before courts do in this case.

I was also guilty of revealing some of those here, and later was told that those were not noticed and i should not do that publicly.

Originally Posted by Fgold

I prefer to say that a large % of funds went to scams and not came from scams... The large % of LR funds came from "real money" exchanged with such "fully licensed" exchangers and other type of exchangers... I know that most of exchangers were not legal and were involved in many scam activities and helped scammers to clean their dirty money. I only know 1 or 2 who were really licensed and still on activity now but the same is happening with all other exchangers who got their domains seized. They just movved to new domains and still in activity now....

In other words it's just about all scam money.....LOL....

Originally Posted by Fgold

10 exchangers?? Where did you see such list?? I couldn't find it...

You asking because you want to know if any that you talked up in a certain forum or "pimped" are part of the LR investigation??.....

Originally Posted by NikSam

actually, I can mention 5 as some were in the May 15th indictment, under Forfeiture allegation:

exchangezone.com
swiftexchanger.com
moneycentralmarket.com
asianagold.com
eurogoldcash.com

I know of more, but prefer not to mention them before courts do in this case.

I was also guilty of revealing some of those here, and later was told that those were not noticed and i should not do that publicly.

eurogoldcash.com was not an exchanger. It was a DGC similar to LR which was online and working till the end of last july when I could cashout my remaining EGC funds using a TG exchanger lol...

In that court doc they list only 6 domains (4 exchangers and 2 DGCs). I also suspect that there are more exchangers but I'm not sure about it...

Originally Posted by okosh

In other words it's just about all scam money.....LOL....

yeah it's scam money but why shouldn't we care about giving that scam money back to victims???

Originally Posted by okosh

You asking because you want to know if any that you talked up in a certain forum or "pimped" are part of the LR investigation??.....

LOL... I've only cashed out some LR funds using some exchangers who sponsored that forum whose owner was arrested... The LR investigation cannot investigate so much with exchangers because most of exchange orders were processed using anonymous pay processors or bank accounts with false names...

Originally Posted by Fgold

eurogoldcash.com was not an exchanger. It was a DGC similar to LR which was online and working till the end of last july when I could cashout my remaining EGC funds using a TG exchanger lol...

In that court doc they list only 6 domains (4 exchangers and 2 DGCs). I also suspect that there are more exchangers but I'm not sure about it...

Yes, there are more.

Filipe,
eurogoldcash.com - you should have known who is behind it too :)
as well as you should have known who are some of your co-mods/admins on that forum were, and of course you should have known roots of that forum.

I understand your interest in this thread, you knew the guys.

Are there more things you not telling us about your involvement ?

Do you want to buy Arhtur Budovsky's car ? yep - auction time :)

but there are bad news, from total of 7 of confiscated Budovsky's cars
each initially valued approximately $200,000, but later was established that 3 of them are parts replaced with cheap plastic or been a floor demo models.
some of the others do not have the original engines and been replaced with lesser quality.

You can register for auctions at Inicio


Source: ICD venderá 19 vehículos decomisados al narco - Nacional - Noticias | Teletica

Originally Posted by NikSam

Yes, there are more.

Filipe,
eurogoldcash.com - you should have known who is behind it too :)
as well as you should have known who are some of your co-mods/admins on that forum were, and of course you should have known roots of that forum.

I understand your interest in this thread, you knew the guys.

Are there more things you not telling us about your involvement ?

I know some of them but not all of them. Sadly this LR case killed the forum which was my 2nd home for a long time. I'm feeling like a homeless now

Originally Posted by NikSam

Do you want to buy Arhtur Budovsky's car ? yep - auction time :)

but there are bad news, from total of 7 of confiscated Budovsky's cars
each initially valued approximately $200,000, but later was established that 3 of them are parts replaced with cheap plastic or been a floor demo models.
some of the others do not have the original engines and been replaced with lesser quality.

You can register for auctions at Inicio


Source: ICD venderá 19 vehículos decomisados al narco - Nacional - Noticias | Teletica

And the sales will go to...???

Originally Posted by Fgold

And the sales will go to...???

According to CR Law No. 8204 - AntiDrug and Anti Money Laundering Act, article 87

ICD and UNA has to allocate 90% of recovered assets to AntiDrug and Anti money laundering programs or let me quote

... may retain for the fulfillment of its objectives, donate them to public interest entities, primarily to organizations whose purpose is the prevention or suppression of drugs

Shall distribute it according to this:

(a) Sixty per cent (60%) to the implementation of preventive programmes; from this percentage, at least half will be for the programs of prevention of consumption, treatment and rehabilitation that develops the drug dependency
(b) thirty per cent (30%) to the repressive programs.
(c) ten per cent (10%) to the monitoring and maintenance of confiscated property.

PDF (ESP): http://www.anti-moneylaundering.org/...5-3B738EA232C1

Not much news from yesterdays Pretrial Conference in NY court.
Mark Marmilev will remain in detention.
(in past he entered NOT GUILTY plea)

Next status conference scheduled for February 28, 2014 at 2 p.m.

Originally Posted by Fgold

I know some of them but not all of them. Sadly this LR case killed the forum which was my 2nd home for a long time. I'm feeling like a homeless now

Karma perhaps....LOL

Originally Posted by NikSam

According to CR Law No. 8204 - AntiDrug and Anti Money Laundering Act, article 87

ICD and UNA has to allocate 90% of recovered assets to AntiDrug and Anti money laundering programs or let me quote



Shall distribute it according to this:


PDF (ESP): http://www.anti-moneylaundering.org/...5-3B738EA232C1

I thought that Budovsky's goods came mostly from LR system fees and his exchangers and not from drugs trafficking.
I understand that LR system was just like a very addictive "drug" especially for ponzi players and that money should be used to support "anti money laundering programs" and victims of such schemes.

Originally Posted by Fgold

I thought that Budovsky's goods came mostly from LR system fees and his exchangers and not from drugs trafficking.

Do you have some sort of inside information that Budovsky didn't know that Liberty Reserve was, in the words of the prosecutors: "the bank of choice for the criminal underworld," serving computer hackers, identity thieves, child pornographers and drug traffickers" and that over 6 BILLION dollars was laundered through LR ???

Come on, Felipe, even you don't believe that he "didn't know" or that it was all accidental.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Do you have some sort of inside information that Budovsky didn't know that Liberty Reserve was, in the words of the prosecutors: "the bank of choice for the criminal underworld," serving computer hackers, identity thieves, child pornographers and drug traffickers" and that over 6 BILLION dollars was laundered through LR ???

Come on, Felipe, even you don't believe that he "didn't know" or that it was all accidental.

Of course I didn't know that was the first choice for such activities and I think most people thought that the main use of LR was to play hyip and other online ponzi schemes... People who buy/sell drugs usually use real money and not virtual funds like LR. It might also be used by drug traffickers and other criminals to "clean money" only but not for their illegal sales because I never saw any addicted paying crack by Libertyreserve lol

In case some readers here missed some generic news,

Costa Rica is NO longer an offshore zone

http://www.realscam.com/f37/aml-pres...ca-banks-2667/
http://www.realscam.com/f37/u-s-sign...-evasion-2786/
Costa Rica toughens stance in US-backed drug fight

Maxim Chukarev, 27 years old russian citizen, programmer of LR who is currently awaiting for extradition from Costa Rica to US, and his parents share their story

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In better times, Maxim Chukharev, 27, poses with his cat. Chukharev is currently in a preventive prison in San José, awaiting a final ruling on a U.S. extradition request for his role at online currency company Liberty Reserve. Courtesy of the Chukharev family

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In a photo from inside Costa Rica's San Sebastián Preventive Prison, Maxim Chukharev poses with another inmate who claims to be wrongly imprisoned. "There are a bunch of us in here," Maxim said. Courtesy Maxim Chukharev

Very detailed look into one of the LR gang.

URL: A Russian patsy or high-tech criminal? / News Briefs / More news / Costa Rica Newspaper, The Tico Times