The official "MoneyMakingBrain makes a fool of himself" thread

[MoneyMakingBrain]

I don't understand how such intelligent guy like you would risk being identified posting on a forum that's being administrated by this obnoxious "LRM" admin. But Anyway, your information is the first I've read in this thread (I admit to not reading every single post) that I consider worthy of anyone's consideration. So, I gather for what you're saying that Fred is doomed because of this upcoming claw-back lawsuit you feel is coming to him, etc, etc (not going to argue each one of your points).

Can you show WHO is filing this lawsuit? You can't, can you? Let's say for argument's sake as you say it will be; the kind of evidence "they" (?) will exhibit in court will be fought by Fred's lawyers point by point, and you can bank on that. It will be a long and drawn out court case that may take years and by then, most people would have made fortunes and the case will be either won by the Plantiff (whoever that may be) or, be regarded as a BIG farce. No jail term for Fred. Happy investors make up for a successful money marketing company and success story. That's in the positive side, of course. But, if you're right on your contention that Fred is sort of like Dark Vader incarnate, coming to destroy the financial world with his henchman, Carl P. then, yes, it's gonna hurt bad and lots of people are going to commit suicide. I grant you that.


It would be interesting to take a peek at those court documents when they arrive though. Whatever the case maybe "PPblog" (Patrick?) forums and blogs need to be exhibiting moderation, especially when we are discussing the lives of other human beings anonymously and so irresponsibly. This way people can really make a determination about the real reasons why Fred chose to be involved in (or concocted) JBP.

And, since you seem to have so many interesting insights, tell us why Carl P. (number one) hasn't been already sued by the SEC? Why hasn't he been arrested by the Feds, SS, Portland PD, etc? If you can explain to me why he's allowed to walk on any US city streets as a free man, then I may take a further look into all this even some retaliatory measures (like shut down all his sites to prevent more fools from being robbed) because, whether I am reporting, or investing --messing or playing-- with the "MoneyMakingBrain" has severe [online] consequences. So far, he seems to be sincere and committed in what he is doing, and appears to be a "nice" guy.

Being that said, IMO, these are the main three questions to all of this: a, is Fred doing JBP out of desperation, or b, has he finally gone insane, or c, has he seen the light at the twilight of his live?

I may even add, is he trying to play a hero or a criminal? Don't forget the paradox of Batman and the other anti-heroes. I doubt that's how he wants to be remembered.

So, regardless of your good intentions to warn people from this alleged scam, what you've said so far still falls in the category of "speculation", no different of what I got to add here. The fact that you hide your identity just like me, indicates that you're not willing to risk your "professional" online reputation. Ironically, that would have given more credibility and wight into what you're saying.

Conversely, by accusing me of being a "Commander" in Fred's army, which I'm honestly NOT, weakens a little your position (IMO). So, two points of view by 2 anonymous users amount to almost nothing and only helps the administrator of this joke of a forum (Realscam.com) to create content, and I am not interested in doing that. This reply of mine to you, has already been posted in the other forum, so you're only reading a recoil post, i.e. it's old news.

Take as an example another big assertion by this "littleman", who was saying in previous posts that I was in connection with one of the JBP forums. Ridiculous! When I said "WE", I meant, the members of another forum (unrelated to JBP) and the IP detectors working on the internet with me to find out precise locations of the JBP online chatter. I didn't have to volunteer that information either. You should appreciate the fact that I came back and I'm being honest by disclosing the "WE" part, instead of looking for a new angle to attack users (not you).

Yes, I have a friend's forum to continue asking the "right" questions about this JBP controversy and I don't need to be here, so, you can count on two things: one, I am not coming back again, and two, you will read more irrational thinking and designed to make me look like a teenage fool by the one and only "Littleroundman".

For example, he is so "smart" that he believes wholeheartedly that I have invested money in JBP. But, I've never ever said that. I've seen how he bites new comers when they don't agree with him. I already stated why I don't respect this contentious administrator: He is a sock-puppeteer (that should be enough) in violation of his own terns and conditions, and he knows that. But, of course he will deny that. But those are facts, not speculation. I already posted the evidence that suggests I have access to information no one else, except admins have, and he was ill prepared for the MoneyMakingBrain. How would you otherwise, be able to read someone's IP address from a remote machine, disclosing one's precise location? I am sure, if you are as smart as you appear to be, that you have at least asked yourself the same question.

Enough of LRM, moving on, and forgive me for saying this, but I find it disgusting when people talk about others (regardless of the nature of the crime) without any proof of guilt other than "he was involved with [fill name], or he will be charged for [fill in crime] etc, I am not really interested in anonymous members' opinions, but facts with links to reputable web sites. Not "facts" from sites whose editorial content is the laughing stock of the web.

Bottom line and YES, it should make anybody nervous the knowledge that Fred has been engaged in a Ponzi scheme in the past. That's troubling indeed. It is troubling that the JBP people have resorted to the use of Oprah Winfrey's and Charlie Sheen's face and likeness constituting a possible infringement (we don't have all the details yet) which can land them in court and then be fined.

Regardless, what you have against JPB is only a risk assessment based on past performance (in this case, Fred's).

Besides of what I asked you about Carl, here is what I really want to know from Fred:

I want to know if the old man has already bought the farm and people are looking at old videos (search Google) or, if he's skipped town and already is in hiding. I am way ahead of you PP. I'll give you a hint: he is no longer in the country which he is supposed to be (ZA). That doesn't mean that he can't be on vacations, but if that's the case, then his own people are not even aware of that.

Take care "PPBlog", and like I said, I got bigger fish to fry.

MMB

Andy Bowdoin of AdSurfDaily, who advertised half the return rate of Fred and virtually the same commission structure as JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, was an "older guy" who'd "done this, done that," too. His Ponzi trial is set for September 2012. He faces up to 125 years in federal prison if convicted on all counts of wire fraud, securities fraud and selling unregistered securities.

When the Ponzi trial begins, Bowdoin will be only a few months shy of his 78th birthday. (Ponzi schemer Richard Piccoli was sentenced in 2009 to 20 years when he was 83 years old; Bernard Madoff was 71 when sentenced to 150 years in 2009. Judge Chin, according to the New York Times, described Madoff's crimes as "extraordinarily evil." Part of Madoff's scheme was making people believe the "profits" they received came from something real. In the end, it proved to be the case that Madoff simply created numbers on a screen to fleece the masses.)

Madoff Sentenced to 150 Years in Prison - NYTimes.com

In the "done this," category, Bowdoin was at the helm of a securities swindle in Alabama in the 1990s. He was charged with felonies, but avoided jail time back then by agreeing to make restitution. Despite his narrow escape, Bowdoin launched ASD. One of his business partners was a man implicated by the SEC in THREE prime-bank swindles. The Feds -- as was the case with Madoff -- said Bowdoin simply created numbers on a screen to swindle the masses.

Meanwhile, in the "done that" category, Bowdoin told ASD members that the seized money belonged to THEM, but he told a federal judge that it belonged to HIM. Also in the "done that" category, Bowdoin stockpiled some cash offshore in an account under a different name, according to the Feds. He also routed "several million" through Canada. (The names of AlertPay and SolidTrustPay both are referenced in the ASD litigation. JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid also uses AP and STP.)

Fred was a pitchman for Bowdoin in 2008. That means, at least in theory, that he could become a target of a clawback lawsuit to return his purported earnings from ASD, meaning that it's possible that Fred could get dragged into the ASD litigation while he's actively running JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid. Beyond that, its is known that the ASD criminal probe is ongoing.

Fred's ad for ASD ran on his BigBooster site, which also promotes JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid. Payments from JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid come from an email address assigned the BigBooster domain. I'd say there is a high probability that funds from ASD are commingled with JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid funds. And the probability is even higher -- virtually 100 percent -- that JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid funds also are commingled with funds from all sorts of scams, including Club Asteria.

Like Fred, Club Asteria's Hank Needham also was a pitchman for ASD. And like JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, Club Asteria promoters also came under the lens of CONSOB.



To the best of my knowledge the CIA hasn't offered an opinion. CONSOB, however, has ventured that JSS Tripler promoters are conducting an illegal offering of securities. IMHO, that's an opinion you should care about. You are free to dismiss my opinion, of course -- just as you are free not to be concerned about CONSOB's opinion.

BTW, do you know if Fred is helping the JSS Tripler promoters named in the CONSOB action mount a defense? If so, how can they be assured that any money he fronts them is not tainted by fraud proceeds that originated, say, through JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid promoters who set up shop at TalkGold and MoneyMakerGroup -- after earlier using TalkGold and MoneyMakerGroup to flog Club Asteria and CherryShares, which is referenced in a securities action in Canada?

Fred's well is tainted, to be sure. I'd say that any JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid promoter who gets named in an action in ANY jurisdiction or is sued by his/her upline is going to be on their own.



ASD had restarts, too -- i.e., it licensed itself to slow down or restart the Ponzi at a time of its choosing in anticipation of an influx of new funds. In effect, ASD licensed itself to treat liabilities as assets through private accounting tricks -- otherwise known as the Enron problem. Like JSS Tripler/JustBeedPaid, ASD also called it payouts to members "rebates." Like Like JSS Tripler/JustBeedPaid, Club Asteria, CherryShares and many more "programs," ASD also had a presence on the Ponzi boards.



This is good, although it seems to clash with your statement that you're not concerned about what CONSOB thinks. In any event, please share what your due diligence taught you about where Fred/JSSTripler/JustBeenPaid do their banking and the name of their CPA/accounting firm. Also: Please share the names under which they conduct business at the offshore (non-U.S.) processors and the accounts they use to pay for things such as hosting and domain registration. While you're at it, please share the name of their attorney and his/her bar-registration data, along with the registration data with the SEC for offerings and broker-dealers.

If you have time, please explain why certain JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid sites suddenly have gone offline in the United States in the wake of the CONSOB probe -- and why members should not be concerned about that. I'd say that is the minimum information any JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid promoter would need to possess if making claims he/she had performed "due diligence."

Of course, they also might need to explain in some real-world way how Fred can pay returns that are between 48 and 73 times higher annually than the returns Madoff "realized" -- all why explaining why JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid makes members affirm they are not government spies or media lackeys.

As things stand, it looks very much as though JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid is expending an invitation to join an international financial conspiracy. "Due diligence" also might require members to acknowledge that the Legisi HYIP had terms similar to JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid with respect to the affirmations about no government or media involvement -- something the SEC gladly showed a federal judge in Michigan when it went after Legisi in May 2008.

During that same month, the SEC also went after Gold Quest International, which purported it was immune to U.S. law -- i.e., outside the reach of law enforcement -- because it somehow enjoyed sovereignty in Las Vegas (U.S. soil) that somehow had been extended to it via Panama and across multiple U.S. state lines by an "Indian" tribe in North Dakota. Like JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, GQI also purported to have an attorney. That "attorney" now is in federal prison through Dec. 10, 2018. His name is Michael Howard Reed. It turns out he wasn't really an "attorney."

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P.S. The Feds also went after Pathway to Prosperity and Nicolas Smirnow -- and even brought in two experts to explain why the "program" was pure fantasy. The "returns" of P2P are in the same ballpark as JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid. P2P also had a presence on the Ponzi boards, as did Imperia Invest IBC, which the SEC said scammed deaf people by the thousands.

[wserra]

Damn. Go for a month without logging in and return to find a 29-page thread that's (at least per a random sampling) virtually content-free.

The Wiki definition of "troll":

someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

With all due respect, you're giving him what he wants.

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

Damn. Go for a month without logging in and return to find a 29-page thread that's (at least per a random sampling) virtually content-free.

The Wiki definition of "troll":With all due respect, you're giving him what he wants.

Yeah, but we've been having fun and at least the world now knows what a JustBeenPaid / Fred Mann apologist sounds like -stooopid.

[Soapboxmom]

Damn. Go for a month without logging in and return to find a 29-page thread that's (at least per a random sampling) virtually content-free.

The Wiki definition of "troll":With all due respect, you're giving him what he wants.

True enough! I moved our charming friend to the basement where he belongs.

MMB, you really should get together with my arch nemesis, Tim Darnell. He sued the Dallas BBB and me and lost both cases in Summary Judgment. Then I sued him and a quite charming slam site concerning me magically disappeared, but I digress. He also thinks I have multiple IDs. Perhaps you boys should get together. No doubt as wildly successful as Darnell has been with his shenanigans you two would be a real asset to one another!

Soapboxmom

[Finix]

This thread is so typical for the scambusting forums, it's not even funny. Some jackass miscalculates a few words in a heated argument with strangers online and they can't let it go for months on end. Freaking vultures.

[MoneyMakingBrain]

This thread is so typical for the scambusting forums, it's not even funny. Some jackass miscalculates a few words in a heated argument with strangers online and they can't let it go for months on end. Freaking vultures.

Don't be so naive Finix. The only jackass in this thread is Lynn who can't even keep his multiple user names straight...notice how he edited the "profhenryhiggins" post as "EagleOne". Now Lynn what new pathetic stupid excuse are you gonna make this time, eh?


Here is a screenshot for posterity and in case this lowlife erases that post all together.

Creating Content Out of Thin Air: Lynn "Desperado" Edgington: no escape

[EagleOne]

Don't be so naive Finix. The only jackass in this thread is Lynn who can't even keep his multiple user names straight...notice how he edited the "profhenryhiggins" post as "EagleOne". Now Lynn what new pathetic stupid excuse are you gonna make this time, eh?


Here is a screenshot for posterity and in case this lowlife erases that post all together.

Creating Content Out of Thin Air: Lynn "Desperado" Edgington: no escape

Actually I asked permission to do it because I knew it would set you off, and it did. You really do make this too easy to get you going. A really big sinister plot that I edited a post. WOW! Call the feds.

If I wanted, I am sure they would let me edit your posts, but I want to the world to see just how dumb you really are, and you are proving it with every post you make.

I am just shocked you didn't claim that finix was me too. Everyone else who posts here you have, so is your IP Detector not working right?

[MoneyMakingBrain]

Actually I asked permission to do it because I knew it would set you off, and it did. You really do make this too easy to get you going. A really big sinister plot that I edited a post. WOW! Call the feds.

If I wanted, I am sure they would let me edit your posts, but I want to the world to see just how dumb you really are, and you are proving it with every post you make.

I am just shocked you didn't claim that finix was me too. Everyone else who posts here you have, so is your IP Detector not working right?

You are a stupid and pathetic lowlife, little old man. And you think everybody is stupid just like you. Yeah right, you "asked permission", why would you need to do that? Why would proving without a shadow of a doubt and giving the MMB "irrefutable proof" that you are a coward sock puppeteer was a good idea????

You are moron Lynn Edgington

MMB

[Finix]

I am just shocked you didn't claim that finix was me too.

I have a rep of my own in the industry, especially after having openly run an online money laundering operation from US. No one will confuse me with you or any other scambuster.

[littleroundman]

The only jackass in this thread is Lynn who can't even keep his multiple user names straight...notice how he edited the "profhenryhiggins" post as "EagleOne". Now Lynn what new pathetic stupid excuse are you gonna make this time, eh?

Now we're getting somewhere.

Apparently MoneyMakingBrain is one of us, as well.

Checking back over the thread, I notice he's been silly enough to edit many of his own posts using the "littleroundman" identity.

He must have momentarily forgotten which troll personae he was supposed to be when he did it.

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Don't be so naive Finix. The only jackass in this thread is Lynn who can't even keep his multiple user names straight...notice how he edited the "profhenryhiggins" post as "EagleOne". Now Lynn what new pathetic stupid excuse are you gonna make this time, eh?

Actually, I'd asked him to edit it when a typo I had made was pointed out to me, past the time limit of when I could edit my own post.

[Finix]

Don't be so naive Finix.

I used to get off on arguing with the same vultures you are arguing with now, but at some point you got to ask yourself if you are not being a jackass for wasting your time on them.

[okosh]

I used to get off on arguing with the same vultures you are arguing with now, but at some point you got to ask yourself if you are not being a jackass for wasting your time on them.

In other words you couldn't win so you quit??......

LOL...at least you were fun to play with as you do have a brain....Unlike monkey-brain who is about 3 chips(fries) short of a McDonalds happy meal....

[PPBlog]

You must be, at least, little scared of me, little man, because you had to resort to the use of ip proxies to hide your actual location, which as you know, we have already established beyond any shadow of a doubt is in Perth, Australia. So, apparently you came into this thread at 8:38 AM and your mate "Baylee", who against all odds, posted only few minutes apart before you, even though >mysteriously< between the hours of 8:38 AM and 9:03 AM the only person in this thread was YOU.

It wouldn't be a good HYIP story without an accompanying conspiracy theory juxtaposed against a hint of menacing.

We've been laughing out loud on the other forum as we can see you for who you really are. But, regardless of the fact that you use this forum to talk to yourself (mainly) and to express your incredibly ignorant views, and libelous comments about a man who you hardly know, you have indeed provided us with valuable information, only, not in the way you think

.

You sound like a commander in Fred's Army. The masked threat is found in the pronoun "we," which implies people who enjoy strength in numbers somehow can act to harm this forum. And because you and your colleagues at the nameless "other forum" apparently are monitoring this forum -- which you deride as a meaningless forum in which LRM or a small number of people talk to themselves -- the incongruity comes full circle: You are at once claiming not to care about this forum while also announcing your intentions to monitor it.

What you're doing is not unprecedented, of course. In fact, it is an HYIP cliche.

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[littleroundman]

What you're doing is not unprecedented, of course.

PPBlog

Very true.

It's not usually done this clumsily or predictably, though.

[littleroundman]

Tell, me, oh internet guru, exactly which "proxy" service am I supposed to have used.

65.98.111.155

I hope this helps.

wow, you're clever.....................NOT !!



Man, that is, without doubt, the WORST IP tracking attempt I have EVER seen.

Geez, I hope all the members on your forum don't rely on MoneyMakingBrain for his technical expertise.

God, that's funny.

[EagleOne]

Now you guys (PPBlog, Okosh, LRM) have done it. You have probably "skeered" off lackofbrains from posting here again showing how real due dilibence is done. He sure was entertaining while he was here though.

[Eddie Haskell]

After your clock is cleaned you are clearly grasping. Please answer the PPB questions of Due diligence or shut the f up. You have been owned here and are a fool.

[baylee]

After your clock is cleaned you are clearly grasping. Please answer the PPB questions of Due diligence or shut the f up. You have been owned here and are a fool.

Careful Eddie, he might think you are LRM in disguise!!!! Whatever he's selling I am not buying.

[littleroundman]

Law enforcement officers must tear their hair out in frustration when they encounter the kind of stubborn obstinance displayed by some members of the community.

I guess the only way to deal with that kind of attitude is to totally ignore it and, like the parents of a defiant teenager, let them go through what they're inevitably going to experience.

"I'm not gonna believe ya 'cos I don't like your attitude" always works.

"I DEMAND you not only tell me what I want to know, I DEMAND you do it the way I want it done" is a goody.

[okosh]

Here ya go, "MoneyMakingBrain"

we know all about you:

Well that works a treat....Last night it showed me being in Sydney and today it shows me as being in Adelaide...
Any chance I could be in the Northern Teritory next as I've never been to the rock and I'd love to see it??

Thanks in advance

[littleroundman]

That's the whole point.

I.P. tracing means SFA in the grand scheme of things.

It may frighten new users that someone claims to have the "power" but otherwise means nothing, in terms of identifying anything other than their VERY general location.

That widget I posted is a prime example.

All it does is mirror the information on the viewers own computer. No one else can see it.

But, it sure as h**l scares the bejeesus out of newbies.

AND, in Australia, at least, the top 3 providers will return different identification results, depending on how they've routed/rerouted their traffic AND which backbone they're using at any given time.

Good for putting the frighteners on beginners, but not much use for anything else.

[PPBlog]

Yes, these things are troubling -- and are present in fraud scheme after fraud scheme after fraud scheme. Club Asteria used the actor Will Smith and also sought to tie itself to the American Red Cross, Richard Branson and Mahatma Gandhi, the slain Indian champion of freedom.

JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid also has used an image of Warren Buffett and TV spaceman "Mr. Spock."

Of course, Club Asteria and JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid have other things in common: CONSOB and the Ponzi boards.

The HYIP sphere, I believe, is dominated by steroidal puppeteers who stay in the shadows and let the Stepfordian MLM hucksters do their bidding for them. It is dangerous beyond measure, which is one of the reasons why the "I got paid" posts are sickening.

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[PPBlog]

And, since you seem to have so many interesting insights, tell us why Carl P. (number one) hasn't been already sued by the SEC? Why hasn't he been arrested by the Feds, SS, Portland PD, etc?

I do not know the answer to this question. Nor do I know that "Carl P" is number one. What I do know is that serial scammers have applied this brand of faulty logic to scheme after scheme after scheme: Here's the shorthand hucksters apply to fleece the masses by using wordplay to turn logic on its ear: If anything untoward was occurring, the FEDs/SEC/CFTC already would have shut it down.

This "logic" was present in the ASD case prior to the seizure, along with elements of menacing and specific threats to bring the "hammer" down on "people that need it." It is duly noted in one of the government's ASD exhibits.

You've claimed you've performed "due diligence." Accepting what you say as true, then surely you know that "opportunities" often are under investigation before the participants know. That was the case with ASD and Legisi, for just two examples.

It also was the case with the Alpha Trade Group probe. (Alpha Trade Group, BTW, was promoted on TalkGold and MoneyMakerGroup -- just like ASD and JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid, Legisi, Finanzas Forex, Pathway To Prosperity, CherryShares, Imperia Invest IBC and other cases that sparked government actions. It is not unusual for a "program" to be under investigation and for the government to stay silent until it is ready to act.

Here is the Alpha Trade Group example:

KABOOM! Feds Release Info On ‘Alpha Trade Group’ Forex Scheme With Ties To Mexico, Panama; Records Suggest Scheme Was Collapsing Even Prior To Promos On TalkGold, MoneyMakerGroup Forums

If you can explain to me why he's allowed to walk on any US city streets as a free man, then I may take a further look into all this even some retaliatory measures (like shut down all his sites to prevent more fools from being robbed) because, whether I am reporting, or investing --messing or playing-- with the "MoneyMakingBrain" has severe [online] consequences.

Again with the menacing. Charles Bronson as "Paul Benjamin" couldn't have said it better in the "Death Wish" movie series.

What are you saying? That you're an avenger of some sort, a DDoSer perhaps? That for now, at least, you're giving Fred/Carl and the "program" the benefit of the doubt -- but will take down the site if you ultimately conclude a scam is under way?

I do not know what's in your heart, but I do know my Blog has been targeted by DDoS attacks and crippled for days at a time. In April 2011, I received a claim of responsibility purportedly from an HYIP enforcer and reported the data to law enforcement. DDoS attacks are warfare, IMHO. I sincerely hope you aren't among the group of people who seem to believe that such as thing as a "good DDoS attack" exists and that you aren't a DDoSer.

So, two points of view by 2 anonymous users amount to almost nothing and only helps the administrator of this joke of a forum (Realscam.com) to create content, and I am not interested in doing that. This reply of mine to you, has already been posted in the other forum, so you're only reading a recoil post, i.e. it's old news.

Even if your assertion that this forum is a "joke" somehow could be proven true, it does not change the fact that your arguments contain both ad hominems and elements of menacing. Those two things are present constantly in the HYIP sphere. They are utterly predictable, and surface in discussion after discussion.

How much of this forum have you read? You've acknowledged you haven't even read all the posts in this thread -- and yet right away concluded the forum is a joke. I believe the world needs more forums such as RealScam, not fewer -- especially since mass-marketing fraud is a global problem and threat to both established and developing nations. Law enforcement now is counting victims of certain specific schemes by the tens of thousands and the combined losses by the hundreds of millions of dollars -- in the Age of Terrorism. Vast sums of money go missing down ratholes.

The criminals have the ability to tap into payment sources at the local, regional, state, national and international levels - and that creates an untenable security condition.

Bottom line and YES, it should make anybody nervous the knowledge that Fred has been engaged in a Ponzi scheme in the past. That's troubling indeed. It is troubling that the JBP people have resorted to the use of Oprah Winfrey's and Charlie Sheen's face and likeness constituting a possible infringement (we don't have all the details yet) which can land them in court and then be fined.

Yes, these things are troubling -- and are present in fraud scheme after fraud scheme after fraud scheme. Club Asteria used the actor Will Smith and also sought to tie itself to Richard Branson and Mahatma Gandhi, the slain Indian civil-rights champion.

JSS Tripler/JustBeenPaid also has used an image of Warren Buffet and even TV spaceman "Mr. Spock." Scammers often are culturally literate. Cultural literacy "works" to separate people from their money, as do religion and appeals to biases such as antigovernment views.

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[littleroundman]

Unfortunately, by his own actions Mr MoneyMakingBrain has exposed the fact he is either a internet blowhard and/or he's one of the puppets.

If anyone were interested enough to read back over his posts, it would become immediately apparent he has, in fact, spoken about everything BUT the elephant in the room.

What's more, he's punctuated his posts with a good deal of bluff and bluster, along with a decent sized helping of bullying.

"Elephant in the room" ???

Simple, forget all the huffing and puffing, all the bluff, bluster and bullying, all the talk of technical expertise, internet etiquette and the rights and responsibilities of posters on forums and instead ask, "where's the money coming from ??"

Name one, single, solitary non HYIP ponzi business in the history of the planet able to offer the same "rate of return" being claimed by JustBeenPaid and its' pimps.

Just one.

Not only a high rate of return, BUT the ability to offer it repeatedly over an extended period of time to so many members.

In the words of a prominent internet lawyer: "There are many high yield INVESTMENTS, there are NO high yield investment PROGRAMS.

IOW, there are simply no legitimate businesses which can offer the payouts being offered by JustBeenPaid on a sustained basis, month after month.

Not in the real world, anyway.