gangstas, BB provocateurs, other trolls and Banners Broker defenders have their say

Bill,

Why are you here? You've degraded this thread into mindless, sometimes-obscene waffle.

Can you not give your opinion without insulting at least one person?

If you want to disagree on the point I've made feel free to contact me at any of the mediums listed in my signature.

Jason

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Originally Posted by littleroundman

Hiya, sixsigmamb and welcome to REALSCAM.com

You appear to have overlooked #4:

4. A disparate group of people with a common concern at the increase in both the number and value of fraudulent schemes have come together to provide a free platform for others to voice their concerns and, where possible, provide information and advice in an effort to aid current and/or future victims of said fraudulent schemes.

Said disparate group of people do so unpaid, with no expectation of reward or recompense and even go so far as to allow smartassed random posters to avail themselves of the platform to expound their unaltered and unedited views.

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Amen. Outstanding reply. I thank God for people who share my same outrage at how some criminals seem to endlessly get away with duping thousands and thousands of innocent trusting people, who are only trying to earn a little extra for their families. It is truly refreshing to find people who are doing something more than just complaining. I apologize if my satire may offend some, I am just trying to spread some humor in to a bad situation. May God bless you all!

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Originally Posted by Poyol

Bill,

Why are you here? You've degraded this thread into mindless, sometimes-obscene waffle.

Can you not give your opinion without insulting at least one person?

If you want to disagree on the point I've made feel free to contact me at any of the mediums listed in my signature.

Jason

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I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

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Originally Posted by Whip

Wasn't there an issue with a non-legitimate VAT number for these clowns? That was never asked of 'terry'.

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Q: Who do you think got Terry wired up enough to hang himself over at Finch's" A. Bill Lucas, AKA sixsigmamb I'm here folks and I am trolling for a scumbag!

What is a VAT number?

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

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Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

I am sorry if i have offended you with my attempt to add a little humor to a bad situation. Unless I am being misconstrued, the only insults I am hurling are to some really nasty scumbag criminals.

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Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

What is a VAT number?

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Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business. They can then claim VAT back on some business expences.

This week a man in Ireland was freed after a criminal conviction for not paying VAT on imported Garlic from China. He got six years. Meanwhile an old man who pleaded guilty on 16 counts of child abuse of his daughter ( yet it was admitted it was a daily occurance for years from seven years of age to mid teens) got let out on bail and only after an appeal got three years to serve. Similarly manglaughter gets about six years which is rated the same as not paying VAT? the mind boggles! But Banners Broker people in Ireland beware. You may be in for hefty sentences.

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Originally Posted by Beacon

Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

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I agree with most of what you have said and laud you for your high morals and decency. However, it is my belief and experience, that creating a ruckus will often bring these offenders out in to the open. I never mean to offend decent hard working people.

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Originally Posted by Beacon

Well them..... and the transvestites as well.
By the way Im not out to offend criminals . I dont think miost people here are. We are out to attempt to find or bring about some justice and fair play. Being offensive isnt necessary to that end. We arent the sort who turn up to public executions and shout "Burn in Hell" at those about to die.

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I agree with most of what you have said and laud you for your high morals and decency. However, it is my belief and experience, that creating a ruckus will often bring these offenders out in to the open. I never mean to offend decent hard working people.

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Originally Posted by Beacon

Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business.

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I have done a lot of asset search queries on Bannersbroker aka Stellar Point. The companies (I use that word loosely) are almost completely void of records of their filing necessary documentation, ie., DBA, Fed Tax ID, etc. I recently found the incorporation doc's for Stellar Point, yet nothing about either company would suggest a business that claims to generate enough revenue to pay over $100,000,000 to its affiliates. Dunn and Bradstreet doesn't even recognize them as any kind of legitimate business. Equifax is void of any useful information. I mean who do these clowns trade with? Where do they bank? The names that they do use appear to be ghosts in records other than what the internet reveals about them. And if all that doesn't get your head spinning, what kind of maniacs would ever attempt to run a Ponzi scheme in 110 countries simultaneously?

I know and understand what sixsigma is and am wondering why you chose that name? I went to that class also before I retired. Just curious?

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Originally Posted by Whip

Yeah, ASD, Zeek, etc. It's still amazes me that they swallow the 'delayed payment' excuses but don't question the fact that their money can be taken immediately.



I guess whoever (sorry, can't remember your name here) was being stopped by this dopey survey can get right in to their account now?

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Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

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You're preachin' to the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?

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Originally Posted by littleroundman

Reminds me of AdSurf Dailys' Andy Bowdoin.

For years members didn't notice the street address given for ASD was actually incorrect and 2 digits out.

A fact the Secret Service highlighted in it's prosecution.

This despite the fact the building had been visited, photographed and researched a squillion times.

As has been said before countless times,

anyone who believes ANYTHING coming out of a HYIP ponzi is asking for trouble.

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I agree entirely and would like to add that, 'anyone who believes anything going in to a HYIP Ponzi is asking for trouble!'

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Originally Posted by Whip

You're preachin' top the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

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I can respect that!

Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?

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Not from me or REALSCAM.com

Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

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Originally Posted by baylee

Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

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If you want a real eye opener, run a financial Montecarlo simulation on Bannersbroker. One thing for sure, the membership numbers and total affiliate payouts they claim are statistically impossible. But what would you expect from a HYIP ponzi?

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

ATTENTION!!!!!

Jan 25, 2013 5:30PST, subject Terry Stern seen leaving Stellar Point HQ Canada driving a 1972 Ford Pinto, pink, personal lic plate 'DICKHEAD'. Vehicle has big bumper sticker on the rear bumper that says, 'Honk if you are gay too'.

**** If you see this individual, please tell him that his daddy says, just because he takes it up the anus 24/7 is no reason for him to try to put a dick up all of ours!

Thank you for your cooperation and or help!

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Ya know, when you start posting like you're a 14 year old boy who just discovered the internet, you hardly bring credit to the purpose of this board. How about you grow up?

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Originally Posted by littleroundman

Not from me or REALSCAM.com

Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

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Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette. I am still learning. I apologize for asking such a question. I have no financial interest in this matter. I am simply trying to learn enough to help a couple of Christian brothers bail out of a bad situation and hopefully identify the people who involved them with it. Doing so, just lit a fire in me because I cannot believe that a ponzi of the BB magnitude could have existed this long.

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Originally Posted by Gregg

Ya know, when you start posting like you're a 14 year old boy who just discovered the internet, you hardly bring credit to the purpose of this board. How about you grow up?

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Personally, i thought it was pretty funny. Found it elsewhere. I will refrain in the future of sharing different humor I have found relevant to BB on blogs such as this. Please forgive me bad taste and an attempt to share what I think is humor with others here.

It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

Absurd Premise # 1:

You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

Absurd Premise # 2:

He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

Absurd Premise #3:

This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.

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Originally Posted by sixsigmamb

Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette.

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My answer wasn't in any way a reflection on your question or your "newbieness"

It was a statement of fact based on many years of observing the HYIP ponzi "industry" and aimed as much at the many new posters brought here by the Banners Broker fiasco as to you personally.

There is no such thing as a "standard" member of any HYIP ponzi.

Within HYIPs, especially the "next big thing" Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker, AdSurf Daily type HYIP, there exist different types of personalities.

Broadly, there are:

* Those behind the fraud. Rarely, if ever, seen and definitely anonymous.

* The "public faces" of the HYIP

* Insiders.

* professional enablers (the Ken Russo, Faith Sloane, Strosdegoz type leeches of the HYIP scene)

* Shills and pimps

* "Playas" who are semi insiders and know EXACTLY what they're doing.

* "Players" who know full well what is going on and "play" the HYIP ponzi as a sort of "game"

* Fools who think they know what they're doing and think they can beat the syastem

* True believers

Using a "one size fits all" strategy when discussing HYIP ponzi fraud is doomed to failure.

"Facts" to one HYIPer is meaningless gibberish to another, "trying to keep the little guy down" to a third and a jealous competitor to another.