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deepsouth 06-25-2006 09:33 AM Re: Advantages Conferences / Tim Darnell


Originally Posted by renloyx
You have 500 reps and ONLY 300 SALES. Thats .6 sales per rep. A rep needs 4 sales just to get his $10000 back. Most people will never see their money again.

AC IS A SCAM. DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY!
Keep up the good fight, renloyx. Unfortunately for me, I know too much about AC. :(

People are spending thousands per month promoting this stuff. Most will never come close to breaking even.
SoapBoxDad 06-26-2006 07:01 PM Re: Advantages Conferences / Tim Darnell

Here is some more insight for those who care about the truth about Advantage Conferences.

We could look at hundreds of examples like the ones I shared regarding almost any subject. The point I’m making is that statistics can lead to a surmise of a situation that would be seemingly intelligent, yet perfectly invalid. This discussion now brings us to the world of the business opportunity offered by Advantage Conferences.

Depending on which statistics you read, you’ll come to understand that the world of business is fraught with failure. In fact, most businesses fail over a period of five years or more. Advantage Conferences and her products are here in large measure as a response – a “solution” to those figures. We are dedicated to changing the statistics regarding business failure and success so that more check marks go in the “Win” column than in the “failure” column.

Tim Darnell has been dedicated and focused for years to define and describe the necessary intangibles that are requisite in becoming a business Champion; as well as to expose the problematic areas of the business world that can impede an enterprising person’s progress or even sink their business completely. I believe it is extremely important to talk openly and honestly about what can go wrong in a business (including AC) at least as much as we talk about the benefits of successful business.

In addition to the educational product and environment provided by Advantage Conferences, the Company also offers a powerful income opportunity. As we offer our approved Representatives this opportunity, you will never hear us say the word, easy. In fact, our Reps are not allowed to use that word, because it is simply not accurate in describing any genuine business endeavor like the AC opportunity.

Frankly, Tim has done everything he possibly can to create an opportunity that is more doable and accessible to the common person than anything else out there, but he would never make the mistake of saying this is “easy.”

Neophytes to the income opportunity industry see an income opportunity and their first reaction – their first thought is always the same – “get-rich-quick-scheme.” You will never hear us describe the AC opportunity in that regard although there have been some time-frame exceptions that actually allowed a few Reps to get rich quick. For most people this opportunity requires considerable time and diligence to figure it out and take the appropriate actions that bring in the potentially sizeable revenues.

I would also be the very first to state publicly that most people don’t have the wherewithal or ability to sustain an endeavor for the amount of time necessary to attain the profits that are potentially available here. The fact is, like the statistics above have pointed out, most people quit. Many quit before they even get started. Some give a three or four month effort. Unfortunately most people quit, to use a football analogy, on the 2 or 3 yard line.

Changing your life financially requires changing many things about your life that include long held perspectives and enacting repeated action steps – two areas of change that most people are not willing to make. Creating a successful enterprise takes work and it absolutely requires endurance. In addition, success requires consistency and a totally positive attitude all the time. In reality, how many people can do that? The answer, in my opinion and experience is that there are very few. The battle for success is in the mind of the enterprising individual. It is that battle with self that few people ever win.

The ones who are successful and the ones who have said and mean the following statement: “I will be the exception to these statistics. I will be the one who prevails. I will be the one who is able to trust in God during the down times and “last out” the days in the desert when no revenues are coming in.” They listen to positive messages and “tell-it-like-it-is” training, and believe in that teaching. They have faith and the single intangible SUB (Sustained Unwavering Belief). Most people can’t or won’t implement sustained, unwavering belief. The ones who do truly change their life for the better.

So, can you make a successful go of the AC opportunity? Here’s the answer: “Only you know the answer.” In my opinion, this is the best, most doable and most reasonable opportunity in existence and it just keeps getting better. It is designed for the common person who is willing to make an uncommon effort. Did you hear that? Are you willing to make an uncommon effort? Are you willing to do more than you ever have in the past to create more reward for yourself than you ever have in the past?

If not, then Advantage Conferences may not be a good fit for you. I don't know how this can be stated any more clearly.
the411 06-26-2006 07:58 PM Re: Advantages Conferences / Tim Darnell

SoapBoxDad,
Now that you have posted 10,000 words of pre-prepared advertising documents written by Tim Darnell, I will respond to the "value" of your product.

It is obvious that the $10,000 price tag of the MMC was fashioned for the purpose of creating a low volume, high commission compensation plan. The $10,000 has nothing to do with the value of the conference and everything to do with Tim's hope of sustaining a business opportunity. You want people involved in the business opportunity to think that the price of $10,000 is cheap when they consider that they will be raking in $7,000 over and over again. The problem is that those who take the $10,000 plunge will have almost an insurmountable task of recouping that money. The market for $10,000 2 day conference tickets is miniscule.

Another thing to ponder.... A house divided against itself cannot stand. The people at Advantage Conferences have been very clever in wearing two hats. When it is a legality discussion, they cannot overcome their enthusiasm that people can become involved for $59 WITHOUT A Conference purchase. But when it is a Advertising Campaign to prospective buyers, that is something you must wish you could forget. As long as people are hesitant about taking the full $10,000 plunge and realize the $59 entry is the most common sense approach....$7,000 over and over again will vanish!

On a Spiritual note, if the information at these conferences is so revolutionary that it is going to cause an Earth shaking world wide crusade, then pricing such information at $10,000 (out of the reach of Millions and Millions of people on the planet) is hardly a noble effort. You talk about the truth setting us free. Let me remind you that Christ shared the Truth and offered it for free! I am so glad it has never cost me a dime to open up my Bible and Reap all the Blessings of God's promises and HIS MINDSET. And if I were a Christian Millionaire, I would never use that position to SELL, at Exorbanant prices, the information to people. Perhaps you should stop "Thinking like Millionaires" and start "Thinking like Christians."

As for the good Christian people who are part of this movement. Anything good that comes of their efforts will be in spite of Advantage Conferences and not because of it.
Jacko, this was Tim's fifth conference scheme. Global Prosperity landed folks in the federal pen for tax evasion among other things. Tru Dynamic imploded. Tim was sued and responded to that by renouncing his citizenship and Texas residency. Then he helped found that scam Liberty League, which got spanked by the Arizona Attorney General's Office. The virtually identical scam, All Star Entrepreneur, founded by Darnell and run out of his home caused massive losses and around 100 reps didn't even get the conference they paid for as it sank into chapter 7 bankruptcy. And, lest we forget Tim's comp plan for United Sciences which was deemed illegal by 3 attorneys general and with the fraudulent medical claims led to that scam imploding as well.

Darnell is a liar and fraud and the minute he is cornered he goes on the attack. Weinzierl being cut of the same cloth joined Tim in fabricating death threats and stalking allegations against me and publishing said. Weinzierl didn't speak out and refute those lies, so obviously he is just as guilty and derived some twisted pleasure out of putting my family in danger. Now, he is paying the price for his deceptions. The truth is here for all to see and will not be removed ever!!!!

I think the last post on that page is brilliant. I too think Jack should stop pretending to be a Christian!

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