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    Most Welcome, Glim Dropper. I also want to add a small editorial post below; Patrick will soon publish a new article for his blog regarding the newly filed case documents.It seems Andy's lawyers are going to prove ASD does not pass the "Howey Test".

    Well, folks, it seems Andy and his crack team of legal minds have finally filed their Motion to move the trial somewhere besides DC and Judge Collyer’s courtroom. They are only 13 days late. And just when you though it couldn’t get any more bizarre, the Motion was notarized by Judy Harris. Yes, folks, I said Judy Harris, Andy’s daughter-in-law, and co-conspirator in AVGA.

    One of the reasons they use is that a trial in DC would cause Saint Uncle Andy “financial hardship” because the trial would last 6 weeks at least and possibly cost him around $51,000 in expenses. ARE THEY SERIOUS?? Andy has millions offshore, maybe more stashed around in cash and he is playing the financial hardship card??

    What about the countless people he scammed, taking their life savings, their children’s college funds, and all hope for the future. If this shows nothing else, it proves Andy is, was, and always will be looking out for Andy alone. He also claims he and his wife are suffering from poor health. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you Andy, not after the things you have done while in this same poor health!! It didn’t stop you then, why should it be a reason now??

    They also filed a Motion to Dismiss the case, which will certainly be denied. And the fun begins….
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    Thanks for the heads up Wizzard, Patrick has the article you mentioned up now:

    URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: Accused Fraudster Andy Bowdoin Enters Defense That Could Provide Legal Cover For Autosurf Ponzi Schemes If He Wins Case; ASD Operator Claims Business Model Stands Up To ‘Howey Test’ Scrutiny

    BULLETIN: In an argument that almost certainly will give comfort to operators of some of the most corrupt and insidious businesses on the Internet, AdSurfDaily President Andy Bowdoin has advised a federal judge that his company and business practices are legitimate because they stand up to scrutiny when the “Howey Test” is applied.
    The full article is available on Patrick's blog.
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    I can hardly wait for the AUSA's to respond to the recent filings by Andy and his defense team. As soon as I see it,. I'll let you know.
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    Well, the response to Andy's Motions are in and fairly lengthy. I have uploaded them here: Files website.
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    Nothing like having your defense comprehensively rebutted by virtue of your own words and actions being used against you, is there, Mr Bowdoin ???

    Not that I think for one minute it will alter Bowdoins' tactic of using any means possible to delay the inevitable.
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    Another Guenther Is Coming:

    Thanks again to Wizzard7 for his ASD related file site, today's addition is Tod Disner's "ASD Justice" call. Well worth a listen. Tod is a long time ASD stalwart and participant in at least two other ponzi schemes and he and his long time legal adviser "Dwight" are soliciting donations for (yet another) third party litigation effort to get the seized funds back from the government. Basically they are purposing Bob Guenther's ASDMBA version two and much like the original the only people to profit from it will be Tod and his lawyer.

    Now honestly I think Bob's lawyer was a scumbag acting with very questionable legal ethics but he was at least honest enough to give his full name, I'm about half way through the call and so far Dwight's last name hasn't been mentioned. It appears that Dwight's key legal argument will be to attack the validity of the seizure but what I don't understand is why fight this in Florida courts rather than the federal venue where Andy's criminal trial is being held. Dwight also makes the same mistake that Bob used as a sales pitch for the ASDMBA, that the funds the government took were the members monies rather than Andy's. The implication being that if the seizure is somehow found to be flawed the money will go back to the members which is not only not legally correct but anyone following this case knows ASD's records are so completely screwed up it's doubtful a complete list of who is owed and how much exists. Dwight also is in error when he claims that undeposited checks made out to ASD and seized by the government should have been returned rather than pooled with the other seized funds.

    The only small lack of a red flag on the call is the stated goal of pooling about $10,000 to fund the effort. If all they're angling for is 10 grand then I might suspect that Dwight is just a fairly incompetent lawyer and not an outright con man. But I rather doubt Tod and Dwight will be any more transparent with any funds they collect than Bob and Larry were. So if nothing else Dwight (no last name) esquire is drumming up some billable hours on a case he has no excuse for not knowing is hopeless. Just like Bob and Larry.

    I'm almost all the way through the call and so far none of the (estimated) 170 people on the call has had the wit to ask Dwight's full name, but they all fell for Andy Bowdoin's sales pitch, what's one more scam to fall for? Dwight is "guarantying" refunds with only a mild backtrack, he's going to make himself some money at the expense of Andy's victims.


    [Edit: Dwight's last name is eventually given, it's Schweitzer.]
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    Dwight Owen Schweitzer is an interesting man, but I don't think he's registered to practice law in the state of Florida. The Florida Bar Associations members search page lists six Schweitzer's and Dwight isn't one of them. Dwight gave out his e-mail during the call, using that as a search term I found a link giving his middle name and the also to a few of his own self published press releases like this one. So I am confident that the "Dwight" on the call is Dwight Owen Schweitzer and that would make this one of his blogs. That, coupled with his myspace page firmly establish his history in the state of Connecticut, which makes it rather highly likely that the Dwight Owen Schweitzer in this Hartford Judicial District Reprimand is the same one selling his legal services to Andy's victims. From which I quote:

    Rule 7.5(a) of the Rules of Professional Conduct states: "[a] lawyer shall not
    use.. .letterhead...that violates Rule 7.1 ". Rule 7.1 states "A lawyer shall not make a false
    or misleading communication about the lawyer or the lawyer's services. A communication
    is false or misleading· if it. ..omits a fact necessary to make the statement considered as a
    whole not materially misleading." IIi this case, the Respondent submitted letterhead to the
    judge, which identified the Respondent as an attorney and counselor at law, licensed solely
    in the state of Counecticut. The Respondent omitted the fact that his license has been
    suspended since 2003
    . We find the fact that the Respondent's license was suspended to be
    a fact necessary to make the statement that the Respondent had a· Connecticut license not
    materially misleading. The orirission of said fact was materially misleading in violation of
    Rule 7.1.
    On the call I'm not sure Dwight ever called himself a lawyer but he did strongly give that impression and if he did he did so in error. An error he's been reprimanded for making in the past.
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    More professional misconduct from Mr.Schweitzer:

    At that time the Respondent (Schweitzer) asked the Complainant for a loan of twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00). The Complainant agreed to loan the Respondent twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00). The Complainant endorsed the thirty thousand dollar ($30,000.00) check. The Respondent cashed the thirty thousand dollar ($30,000.00) check, retained twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00) for himself, and forwarded the balance to the Complainant.

    The Respondent drafted a promissory note and executed it to the benefit of the Complainant. The Respondent did not, however, advise the Complainant in writing that the Complainant should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel regarding the transaction. The Respondent has not complied with the terms of the promissory note.

    This reviewing committee finds the following violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct by clear and convincing evidence:

    The Complainant and the Respondent had an attorney-client relationship. The Respondent entered into a loan transaction with the Complainant without advising the Complainant in writing that he should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel in the transaction. The Respondent’s failure to advise the Complainant that he should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel in the loan transaction constitutes a violation of Rule 1.8(a)(2) of the Rules of Professional Conduct. Accordingly, we order that the Respondent be presented to the Superior Court for the imposition of whatever discipline the court may deem appropriate.
    (The note in bold is my addition to the original quoted section.)

    The loan was made in 1997, the grievance was filed in 2001. I wonder what the terms of the loan were?
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    Glim, his full name (as far as I can tell) is Dwight Owen Schweitzer. He seems to be a "former attorney", late of Connecticut and presently residing in Miami, the home town of the Disners. Todd's brother Bruce popped into the call to make some sort of a point, if only so people knew he was there. Sadly, the full call (all 1.5 hours of it) wouldn't upload all at once (86 meg) so I broke it down.

    Another point made by these two is that ASD is a viable business model and ASD will be coming back.. Todd apparently has a direct line to Bowdoin, he mentioned a few times that he and Andy stay in contact. He also regurgitated the "fact" that Cowden, Taylor and the government knew they made a mistake, Andy is innocent, but they are too scared to admit the truth!! It didn't make any sense when posted on the now defunct "Surfs Up" forum, and it hasn't gained any credence so far. But, they seemed to get the participants lathered up and ready to buy more Ad Packs.

    Absolutely amazing.....
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    An estimated 170 "true believers" out of an estimated 100,000 "members"

    Not what one would call an army of defenders.
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    LRM, the numbers involved may sound small, but when you consider that some of these people have access to tens of thousands more, through the use of Facebook, forums like AdlandPro where naysayers have no voice, and email lists, then the minority and its reach become larger. There are many victims who have no awareness of the online debate that has been going on Patrick Pretty's blog, scam dot com (in its day) and here. They only know about the email received from their upline telling them about the injustice created by the government and the Rust letter - if they received that.

    A minority but a very insidious one. Having said that, it is quite extraordinary to think that there are a group of adults who honestly believe in the nonsense spouted by Disner (and Bowdoin).The issue of Dotson was, if I recall, already dealt with by the courts way back, as has the issue of "Our Money". As Glim rightly says, can any one say "Bob Guenther"?


    On the subject of the Governments counter motion, Bowdoin's claims to ill health have been neatly rebutted.. His and his wife's health were not an impediment when they were travelling all over the States on rallies, or making trips down to Costa Rica (and maybe even Uruguay). Washington is far more accessible to the majority of the Government witnesses and Bowdoin cannot plead poverty when he has acknowledged the existence of considerable funds offshore and has been spending fortunes on legal fees.

    It is to be hoped that Judge Collyer treats these new motions, and Bowdoin's latest with the brevity and elegance with which she has treated the rest of the previous "legal" ramblings and gives them a firm NO in as short a space of time as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alasycia View Post
    LRM, the numbers involved may sound small, but when you consider that some of these people have access to tens of thousands more, through the use of Facebook, forums like AdlandPro where naysayers have no voice, and email lists, then the minority and its reach become larger.
    I agree with you entirely, WRT the potential reach of the "170"

    Fortunately,for all the genuine victims of this low life fraudster, whether there be 170, 1700 or 170,000 involved, reality says all the huffing and puffing, all the side issues and all the attempted scams within scams have not made one skerrick of difference.

    Not one thing has panned out any different than it was always going to.

    Things may be progressing slower than the TV generation may like, but NOTHING has been uncovered thus far which in any way contradicts the prosecutions' stated position.

    In fact, on the contrary, IM(very)HO, Bowdoin is in a far worse position today than he was in August 2008.
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    First off, Howdy alasycia. :)

    The more I think about Mr.Disner's "Justice" call the more depressing I find it. Two and a half years later Andy still has a faithful core falling for the same pack of lies. Dwight Schweitzer first joined the call from an open line and needed to call back in from a line that wouldn't be muted with all the riff raff. In the pause while Dwight called back in Todd, filling space and buoying the faithful said:

    I'm pretty excited about it, I'm getting deeper into the innards of what happened. I've been talking to Andy and some of the leaders that are close to Andy and there are some very positive feelings about Ad Surf Daily right now. Of course we're going after this, we're competing with the government so it's going to be very iffy. But we know we're right so that's going to prevail.
    That could have been posted in the "Surf's Up" forum two years ago. So little has changed and for some people, so little was learned.

    As to Mr.Schweitzer, first of all to the best of my efforts I can find nowhere that he is licensed to practice law. He makes it clear that, after he gets enough donations he'll file his case against the government seizure pro se. I've been discussing this with our friends over at Quatloos and the informed opinion shared there is confirming my natural cynicism. He can no longer work as an attorney, he had been working as an editor but after he sued his last publisher he doesn't seem to have been hired in that field either. He's recently been posting his rather lengthy resume on free job sites like postjobfree -dot- com, suffice it to say that he seems to be having trouble finding employment commensurate with his employment background.

    I'll be the first to say that, much like Mr.Schweitzer I am not an attorney (thought he at one point was) but I've heard thousands of scam sales pitches. In my humble opinion Mr.Schweitzer's participation on that call is nearly indistinguishable from one of them. He might sincerely believe all he said on that call which could clearly explain why he's no longer licensed to practice law but too much of what was said on the call cut too many factual corners to be taken seriously. And that's the problem, people are going to get taken here, all the donations will be collected and the checks will be cashed. But like Bob Guenther's ASDMBA the only people who will benefit are the people collecting the donations.
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    Thanks for posting the link to Quatloos. It is an excellent discussion of the situation and leaves the issues very clear. It is a pity that many of the victims, especially those who had never ventured into any online venture before, will never read it nor this forum nor any other intelligent explanation of what they really got into.

    One can only hope that people have enough common sense not to fall for the latest in the line of people out to scam the already scammed.

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    It appears that Andy's lawyers have replied to the AUSA's response to the Motions to Dismiss and Change Venue. As expected, they made the same argument in the reply as they did in the original motions.

    I have posted the new documents (25 & 26) along with the current docket report on the Files site
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    It seems that a week following their last call, they are far below their desired "war chest", and odd reference to their legal fund. Seems people are still skeptical about sending anyone money for this stuff. Go figure.
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    They have good cause to be skeptical, but that hasn't stopped them before. I was wondering if there were any updates on the lawsuit, I e-mailed Mr.Disner asking to be put on the list and he replied affirmatively but so far no news. It would be interesting if Todd and Dwight didn't go ahead with the lawsuit, after all both were ASD members, Todd claiming to have over 50,000 "AdPacks." IF they believed in the lawsuit AND only needed ten grand to proceed it shouldn't matter if they got the contributions or not, they have been more than paid off after they won their suit. If they abandon the effort just because they couldn't get people to pony up the cash why that would very much look like they're not nearly as certain about their chances in court as they let on and the whole point of the call was just to pocket some quick cash.
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    Glim,

    It's hard to say exactly what these guys believe as opposed to what they want the ASD members to believe. I doubt the case will be filed, it may just be a similar money grab, like the ASDMBA. Add to that the fact that the case they are litigating is closed and under appeal, and they have no standing, no matter what psycho-babble Dwight offers. Keep in mind, he's no Perry Mason, as I doubt that Perry Mason ever kicked a hooker. Dwight is also highly litigious and will sue anyone over almost anything.

    All in all, it is yet another exercise in futility whose authors may have other motives. Both of them made money, as you indicate, so why do they not fund it out of their own "HYIP" profits??
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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Most of you probably know of Eagle Research but I found this article interesting on the ASD subject. Online Payment Processors, Enablers of ScamsGreggory B. Evans, PhD

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    Thank you for posting the link HonestMe, Eagle Research and Mr.Evans are both held in high esteem around here.

    Wizard, as you mentioned Mr.Schweitzer does have some history for making legal threats so perhaps it's wise to point out that I'm unaware of any claim on his part to having made money in Ad Surf Daily, only that both he and his son were members (correct me if I'm wrong). Oh, and there were two police reports for that incident when he was arrested but was not charged for and only one of them describe the woman he (allegedly) kicked as a "Hooker."
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    Andy has lost his Appeal to get Judge Collyer's Final Order of Forfeiture overturned. The decision was entered March 25th. I have posted the document on the Files website or you can get it here:
    http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/interne...61-1299953.pdf
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    I hope someone can answer these questions for me?

    I just did some searching, and found out the remittance timeframe has passed. How can that be, since the case was still under appeal, and no members (well at least not me and someone else I know), were not notified of any remittance timeframe and deadline.

    I also read that all the money will be lumped together, as they state that they are related and money from ASD was used in Golden Panda.

    This cannot be right or legal for the following reasons:

    1. GoldenPanda relinquished their claim to any money, without having to get permission from Andy.

    2. Andy was only an employee, he was not a shareholder or was he a signor/signee of any of GoldenPanda's bank accounts.

    3. The US government kept Golden Panda's funds seperate from the start from ASD/La Fuente, thus saying it was a separate entity.

    4. If Andy invested in Golden Panda, then he would be a victim of that company, and any money due him, could be re cooped by claw back clause.

    5. To the best of most peoples knowledge, Andy was only an employee/director, and was most definitely a promoter.

    The statement that they used to justify this is that they are inter related is BS, the fact that some members in profit at Andy's sites invested in Golden Panda, is irrelevant, and does not make them inter-related.

    Yes, they had a similar scheme behind them, and yes, Andy was in someway associated with all of them, but he in no means owned anything in Golden Panda, as clearly stated by the USDOJ, in the fact that they only needed Busby and his daughter's signatures on the forfeiture.

    If this sounds true, then why doesn't someone there in the states, file something to get this money kept separate and refunds issued separate. You should be able to file something now, as officially you are a victim.

    This really upsets me, because I only invested in Golden Panda and all my money will be used to pay for Andy's debts.

    Whoever this company they hired to do the remittance, they clearly have no idea that this was an international company, because the claims forms is clearly done with US residents as the vocal point. Especially since, you must have a bank account (no were to put for international banks information) in order to get a refund is totally ludicrious.

    This part upsets me, because I lost my bank accounts since then, and only hope to recover somehow my mid 10,000 investment.

    Thanks and hopefully someone with some better understanding can help in answering these questions?

    Gina
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    With respect, Gina, a great deal of the "facts" you use are not evidence based, but, instead, rely on what Bowdoin and Busby "said" occurred.

    * Golden Panda, like AdSurf Daily was a fraudulent operation from its' inception. The fact Bowdoin "said" he "gave" it to Busby makes no difference. The funds were co mingled.

    It would take more than the combined wisdom of King Solomon and Albert Einstein for anyone to even begin to separate out who owns/owned what. PARTICULARLY since the prosecution has pointed out accurate records were not kept.

    In a legal sense, how exactly does "to the best of peoples' knowledge" morph into reading "Bowdoin was only an employee" ???

    Isn't that the whole point of being a criminal fraudster, to make sure the facts are kept from the victims ???

    You're surmising, the DOJ KNOWS what happened, not what either Busby or Bowdoin "said" happened.

    They've been "inside" both Golden Panda and AdSurf Daily, unlike any of the victims.

    I love the line from the Memorandum Opinion dismissing Bowdoins' latest appeal:

    "Forecasting the decision in Howey, the Court explained that substance rules over form" (emphasis added) https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...MzM0NzQ5ZDNiOQ

    Put simply:

    If it is a goat but it was disguised in a legal form to look like a dog, Substance Over Form would prevail to reinstate that it is a goat and not a dog!
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    Gina,

    The notification for restitution was very well known for quite some period of time. It was posted at the DOJ website, as well as at several other unofficial places. Individual notification may not be possible, since as LRM points out, the records in these scams are not very solid. (When you think about it, if you were running a scam, why would you want to keep accurate records? Accurate records could only hurt you later, and make no mistake, these were scams before they were even launched, and Bowdoin/Busby knew it). If you had a lot of money invested in GP, it would perhaps make sense to keep track of all of the events surrounding the "company".

    I would also virtually guarantee that the government has handled this case, including the restitution, correctly. If you have read any of the legal documents, you will see that at every turn, the government's positions have been resoundingly upheld by the court. The prosecution has won every single point, and Bowdoin's side has yet to score even a minor point. The chances that they have done such a great job on every other legal matter, but have somehow screwed up the legal issues of the restitution, are near zero. Further, you should be aware that the government has no obligation whatsoever to provide restitution to the victims. The statutes allow the government to keep seized assets in these types of cases in order to further the activities of the agencies involved in the investigations, arrests, and prosecutions. Many, including myself, would think that that would be a better use of the funds than refunding the money back to the victims (for many in ASD/GP, this was not the first scam that they had participated in). In any event, the government has very generously decided to refund the victims to the fairest extent possible using the seized assets. This will take some time due to the poor records, and spotty submissions of the restitution claims by victims. For example, how many of the people who have submitted claims are really victims? How many claimants actually made money? How many claimaints claimed their unused but accumulated ad packs as part of theiur loss? How many people at rallys paid cash? How do you sort through all of this?

    Add it all up, and anything that anyone who was a member of ASD/GP has told you, especially if that person was you upline or someone who believed in ASD/GP or who made money in ASD/GP, is most probaly false. Believe what LRM says. He has nothing to gain or lose, and has seen this same pattern many times.

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    Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzard7 View Post
    Andy has lost his Appeal to get Judge Collyer's Final Order of Forfeiture overturned. The decision was entered March 25th. I have posted the document on the Files website or you can get it here:
    http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/interne...61-1299953.pdf
    Thank you Wizzard7, I was looking for something I could refer to and post in ALP. PP has all his copyrighted and I could not find it in SEC, ran out of time also.

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