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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    So nice you are soooo needy to know everything about me. I was typing a response, I said I made a mistake...You said it was 150, I took you at your word. I know they are growing, and we have sister companies we 'outsource' that handle shipping...You just don't take apologies well.
    Yeah, sure. Blame it on your typing. I think the difference between "we have hundreds of employees" and the truth isn't a typo. So how many employees do they actually have?

    I also said the difference between Swanson and TriVita is the same difference between Generic and Name Brand...we held the patent... I don't investigate swanson, don't know their quality controls...I do know people are free to purchase from whatever company they like. Tis a free market.
    Total MLM BS! You bypassed all of my questions again. I have cornered you like the rat you are. Give me some answers or don't post if you can't back up any of your statements. You've never been able to back anything up but that won't stop you. I have zero respect for you.
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    Re: Product Review - TRIVITA SUBLINGUAL B-12

    Quote Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash View Post
    Yeah, sure. Blame it on your typing. I think the difference between "we have hundreds of employees" and the truth isn't a typo. So how many employees do they actually have?



    Total MLM BS! You bypassed all of my questions again. I have cornered you like the rat you are. Give me some answers or don't post if you can't back up any of your statements. You've never been able to back anything up but that won't stop you. I have zero respect for you.
    I don't have any employees... I don't know how many the company has...

    I did not bypass the questions. We sell a product at X costs...we held the patent, our Doc did the R&D when others said it couldn't be made sublingual....others copied it.... We provide benefits to our members that they like TriVita - Membership Benefits we have our standards....1. P hysician-Approved Formulas
    Our medical board uses their extensive health and nutrition knowledge to approve
    proprietary TriVita supplements based on the latest scientific research and the health
    and wellness concerns of our Members.
    2. Unique Delivery Systems
    Unlike other supplements that can be difficult to absorb, TriVita supplements are
    developed for maximum absorption and effect.
    3. C ontrolled Laboratory Studies
    Signature products from TriVita undergo medical studies and trials at accredited
    universities and medical centers to ensure their effectiveness.
    4. P urest Natural Ingredients
    TriVita uses the highest-quality essential nutrients available to create effective,
    body-friendly formulas without mood altering stimulants or harmful chemicals.
    5. P harmaceutical-Grade Quality
    We voluntarily adhere to the strict manufacturing guidelines of the Good
    Manufacturing Practices (GMP).
    6. Third-Party Testing and Certification
    In addition to our own quality control, we commission third-party testing and research
    to guarantee that our products are full potency and meet all regulatory standards.
    7. Quality-Controlled Packaging and Production
    Safety is a top priority in our packaging and manufacturing; we inspect each product
    at least 10 times and use two safety seals per package on all ingestible products to
    guarantee safety, freshness and product potency.
    8. D edicated to Product Innovation
    TriVita’s commitment to science is a driving force behind our superior quality
    products, from formulation to production. Led by our Chief Science Officer and
    renowned nutraceutical pioneers, we put the utmost care into creating products that
    deliver positive and lifelong wellness experiences for our Members.
    9. M edical Advisory Board
    TriVita’s advisory panel of Board Certified physicians provide us with the latest
    information on scientific developments and testing methods.
    10. C omplete Customer Satisfaction Guarantee
    We promise to provide the best customer experience possible and offer a 60-Day
    Money Back Guarantee on all of our products.

    I don't know what swanson does...these aren't my statements, these are TriVitas...

    this is why I buy from them, this is why I am an affiliate...

    You don't want to be...that is fine with me..you don't want to purchase...that is ok to.

    But I spend waaayyyy to much time with someone who has no interest in the company or our products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil View Post
    I don't have any employees... I don't know how many the company has...
    And you can't find out for sure? Odd, neither could I.

    I did not bypass the questions. We sell a product at X costs...we held the patent, our Doc did the R&D when others said it couldn't be made sublingual....others copied it....
    Bullshit! The sublingual method has been around long before TriVita.

    We provide benefits to our members that they like TriVita - Membership Benefits we have our standards....1. P hysician-Approved Formulas
    Our medical board uses their extensive health and nutrition knowledge to approve
    proprietary TriVita supplements based on the latest scientific research and the health
    and wellness concerns of our Members.
    2. Unique Delivery Systems
    Unlike other supplements that can be difficult to absorb, TriVita supplements are
    developed for maximum absorption and effect.
    3. C ontrolled Laboratory Studies
    Signature products from TriVita undergo medical studies and trials at accredited
    universities and medical centers to ensure their effectiveness.
    4. P urest Natural Ingredients
    TriVita uses the highest-quality essential nutrients available to create effective,
    body-friendly formulas without mood altering stimulants or harmful chemicals.
    5. P harmaceutical-Grade Quality
    We voluntarily adhere to the strict manufacturing guidelines of the Good
    Manufacturing Practices (GMP).
    6. Third-Party Testing and Certification
    In addition to our own quality control, we commission third-party testing and research
    to guarantee that our products are full potency and meet all regulatory standards.
    7. Quality-Controlled Packaging and Production
    Safety is a top priority in our packaging and manufacturing; we inspect each product
    at least 10 times and use two safety seals per package on all ingestible products to
    guarantee safety, freshness and product potency.
    8. D edicated to Product Innovation
    TriVita’s commitment to science is a driving force behind our superior quality
    products, from formulation to production. Led by our Chief Science Officer and
    renowned nutraceutical pioneers, we put the utmost care into creating products that
    deliver positive and lifelong wellness experiences for our Members.
    9. M edical Advisory Board
    TriVita’s advisory panel of Board Certified physicians provide us with the latest
    information on scientific developments and testing methods.
    10. C omplete Customer Satisfaction Guarantee
    We promise to provide the best customer experience possible and offer a 60-Day
    Money Back Guarantee on all of our products.

    I don't know what swanson does...these aren't my statements, these are TriVitas...

    this is why I buy from them, this is why I am an affiliate...

    You don't want to be...that is fine with me..you don't want to purchase...that is ok to.

    But I spend waaayyyy to much time with someone who has no interest in the company or our products.
    Back up any of those claims with actual studies and documentation done by independent labs, physicians, and chemists. If you can't, it's worthless. They're typical MLM worthless claims.
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    I would have to agree with UT on providing proof. Can you provide links or study information on point 3? What accredited universities? What medical centers?
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    Re: Product Review - TRIVITA SUBLINGUAL B-12

    Let's just do this one point at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trivita
    2. Unique Delivery Systems
    Unlike other supplements that can be difficult to absorb, TriVita supplements are developed for maximum absorption and effect.
    *which other supplements ??? Supplements of the exact same vitamin ??? Supplements in general ???

    Doctors typically only recommend sublingual supplementation of vitamin B12 and not of other vitamins. Contrary to Trivitas' assertion that sublingual supplementation is more effective, this has not been proven. In fact, it is more often suggested that any increased benefit has more to do with the fact the vitamin B12 dosage in sublingual supplements is typically higher, NOT because sublingual vitamin ingestion is more efficient.

    While "sublingual" delivery systems are commonly used for medication/s this does NOT translate into "sublingual delivery of VITAMIN supplements" is more desirable.

    Indeed, bypassing the digestive system and delivering non prescription substances of any kind "sublingually" could be described as downright bloody dangerous ESPECIALLY based on the advice of untrained, unqualified MLMers.

    Potential consumers of Trivita products are would be well advised to seek further clarification of EXACTLY what supplements are being "sublingually" delivered and EXACTLY how the product/s are "developed for maximum absorption and effect"

    No data = no valid information is being delivered.
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    Littleroundman - You're not going to get a solid answer. All Wil can do is copy and paste from the TriVita website. And we all know the BS that comes from the MLM companies. Each product is "unique" to them. In reality, it's the same crap you can buy anywhere. They have never been able to prove otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash View Post
    Littleroundman - You're not going to get a solid answer. All Wil can do is copy and paste from the TriVita website. And we all know the BS that comes from the MLM companies. Each product is "unique" to them. In reality, it's the same crap you can buy anywhere. They have never been able to prove otherwise.
    NO !!!!

    I'm devestated.

    Say it ain't so.

    But, but, but,

    it's "iamwil" and Trivita we're talking about here.

    you know,

    ethics, integrity, commitment and all that.

    You're not honestly trying to tell me Trivita is just ANOTHER company trying to bul***t their way into a "supplement" marketplace already full of bul***ters, are you ??





    I'm shocked and stunned I tell you, shocked and stunned.

    My life will never be the same.
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    It has been my experience that many fraudsters and MLMers alike use a variation of the old "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bul***t" gambit,

    Their version goes something along the lines of: "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with HUGE AMOUNTS of bul***t"

    Clementia is a past master of the art, and "iamwil" is fast closing in on taking Lennys' title.



    So, back to discussing each claim from "wils'" copy and pasted Trivita blurb.
    What say you, "wil" ???
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    Thought you might enjoy this.....


    Richard and Leona Ellison
    “TriVita has proved to be the most beneficial endeavor for us physically and financially of anything we have ever done.”

    As the father of TriVita’s CEO and Founder, Michael Ellison, Richard’s commitment to spreading wealth and wellness comes naturally.

    Richard and Leona began with TriVita from the very beginning – experiencing the launch of TriVita. “The mission and the heart of compassion for people was what attracted us to the company.”

    “With no product or tools of the trade, TriVita was launched! The only visible tools we had were a yellow legal pad and a pen… oh yes, a phone!”

    The Ellisons wrote down the name of every friend and family member they believed fit the mission, and then “Leona and I went to work.”

    “We had lots of other things going on in our lives, but TriVita has proved to be the most beneficial endeavor for us physically and financially of anything we have ever done.”

    The Ellisons are thankful for those that helped them succeed in becoming Presidential Directors.” How could we ever forget the founders, Michael and Susan Ellison – for their commitment of life savings, time, hard work and their development of a like-minded wonderful staff to serve the Members and Affiliates in the front lines of action.”

    They also are thankful for their two daughters, Judy Ellison and Glenda Hamilton, who pushed them hard to make it to the top. “It was a team effort of family and friends. It can't happen any other way. Now we are pulling, and others are pushing. It is a team effort, succeeding in a mission of helping people with health and wealth.”

    “The 10 Essentials are on the inside cover of every VitaJournal and are inside of every true TriVita Member and Affiliate. The sixth essential is the heart of the company – give and receive love.”

    “World, here we come! Because we love what we do.”


    Hmmmmm seems like Mr. Moral Christian found something that was even more profitable in his past:

    In God We Trust - Page 1 - News - Phoenix - Phoenix New Times

    6 page article...well worth the read

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    Does anyone ever think we will see any proof whatsoever of any real, legit testing on any of Trivita's products, any real and legit research and any real and legit published papers on them? Not research on any of the general ingredients listed on some of their products, but their (Trivita's) actual products? Real doctors, real Universities, real research entities, real double blind studies, real conclusions? And who exactly did the "third party testing" and what are the results? You would think that these would be posted all over the web and not just the "claims" to them wouldn't you?

    What is interesting to note is that the GMP's in this country are enforced by the FDA yet no Product for Trivita is approved by the FDA. Quite the quandry there. They did step in to quash their claims and sent them a warning letter two years ago, however.

    TriVita & The FDA

    In this country nutritional supplements do not have to be “approved” by the FDA before sale unless they’re attached to “drug” or “medical” claims. Unfortunately, in 2007 the U.S. Food & Drug Administration found a number of potential violations on the trivita.com web site. These claims included statements about lowered blood pressure, the prevention of cancer and the treatment of type 2 diabetes.

    TriVita - Is It A Scam? - Alternative Medicine

    Now, it’s important to note that these claims were NOT made about the B12 supplement. They were made about other TriVita products but the fact they were made at all on the company’s official web site is troubling. (We were pleased to see that the potentially illegal claims had been removed when we visited the site.)

    In his piece “Be Wary of Health-Related Infomercials”, Dr. Stephen Barrett of QuackWatch.com cautions user of TriVita’s Sublingual B12 that this supplement may not do much for people with normal homocysteine levels. He also criticizes the $25-a-month price tag and the claim that this product can prevent or reverse symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease.

    Finally, Dr. Barrett reminds his readers that taking B12 routinely for a “deficiency” may be a waste of time. After all, he says, B12 deficiencies are actually quite rare in this country—a fact born out by current medical research.

    TriVita claims not to be a multi-level-marketing or pyramid company. But TriVita reps do get a share of their customer’s future sales and any sales made by referrals of those customers. That sounds an awful lot like an MLM, or multi-level-marketing, setup to us.

    Why is this a big deal? Well, look at how much lower the price of TriVita could be if the company wasn’t paying commissions to the sales people and to people they refer. And that doesn’t even begin to cover the “gift cards” and “discounts” they also offer.

    References:

    Trivita.com. (2008). Retrieved from trivita.com on November 14, 2008.

    Barrett, S. (2007). Be Wary of Health-Related Infomercials. Retrieved from quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/info.html on November 14, 2008.

    Bail, H. (1999). Vitamin B12 deficiency in the elderly. Annual Review of Nutrition.

    U.S. Food & Drug Administration. (2007). Trivita Warning Letter. Retrieved from fda.gov/cder/warn/cyber/2007/cl07hfs810255.pdf on November 14, 2008.

    2 years ago TriVita was singled out by the FDA for violating the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. And it wasn't just 1 line on one product label--it was numerous statements made about 3 separate products. This was in spite of a loophole that allows companies to legally market supplements like the ones TriVita chose to market illegally. Since this company's reps pride themselves on TriVita's "integrity" I would be remiss if I didn't point out that--as recently as 2 years ago--the emperor had on no clothes.

    Oh wait!!! Not another warning by the FDA to Trivita on another product claims???

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/G.../ucm056964.pdf

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    Re: Product Review - TRIVITA SUBLINGUAL B-12

    This was interesting also:

    TriVita side effects? - Drugs.com

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    TriVita side effects?

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    Anyone besides me suffering from side effects from TriVita sublingual B-12?
    wound up in the emergency room w/ heart problems and was given a nitro patch. Saw my doctor and learned that mannitol--1 of the 'additional' ingredients listed on the package--is a diuretic and my potassium was very low.

    And the ludicrous response from a Trivita, brain dead rep who thinks they know more than an Md of course:

    08-03-2005, 01:15 PM
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    In regards to using TriVita sublingual B-12, I believe that the benefits far outweigh the side effect that you experienced.

    I have come to understand that it is necessary to investigate whatever goes into your body, be it food or supplements for many of the items that we congest on a daily basis contains some type of diuretics.

    Unfortunately, you had a bad experience but I would certainly find out from your doctor if there is any safe way that you could continue to take this supplement.

    ROTFL! Can you believe that? The benefits far outweigh a trip to an ER with a racing heart? Good Lord!

    08-03-2005, 06:35 PM
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    TO 3rd sista:

    My doctor instructed me to dispose of the TriVita. I looked up Mannitol on the internet and discovered 2 pages of contraindications and warnings.
    I can take sublingual B12--[u]WITHOUT the additives</u>--with my dr's blessing.
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    Nice find, ALA. Just proves that every dickwad scammer has a past. How come those pasts are always unsavory? Like father, like son. Just as Michael Ellison learned from his "religious Christian" father to con people out of their cash, there are always a handy amount of the stupid and gullible that fall for it over and over. That's why MLM exists. And that's why some total idiot can be involved in it for 11 years and not make a dime. But things are looking up! Especially with the expansion to AU which will change everything. Right?
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    I think this quote from one of UTs' links says a great deal about a company which uses terms like "ethics" and "morals" and "christian values" to describe itself:

    Does this make TriVita a scam? Does it prove that the company is intentionally trying to fool people? No, but there are just too many ways to legally market these products. Skirting the rules with promises that clearly cross the line just leaves a bad taste in our mouths.
    We're not talking about soap powder or dishwashing liquid here.

    We're talking about stuff you put in your mouth and stuff that TRIVITA and its' marketers are claiming has health benefits and which TRIVITA and its' marketers are inferring, implying, suggesting, spin doctoring "MAYing" and "CANing" and claiming have an effect on potentially life threatening conditions.

    There may well be a whole generation of people out there who are so immune to advertising hype and B/S which considers that TRIVITA style spin doctoring with regard to vitamins and or health related products is acceptable.

    My personal view is that it is most certainly NOT and is one of the reasons forums such as this exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    I think this quote from one of UTs' links says a great deal about a company which uses terms like "ethics" and "morals" and "christian values" to describe itself:



    We're not talking about soap powder or dishwashing liquid here.

    We're talking about stuff you put in your mouth and stuff that TRIVITA and its' marketers are claiming has health benefits and which TRIVITA and its' marketers are inferring, implying, suggesting, spin doctoring "MAYing" and "CANing" and claiming have an effect on potentially life threatening conditions.

    There may well be a whole generation of people out there who are so immune to advertising hype and B/S which considers that TRIVITA style spin doctoring with regard to vitamins and or health related products is acceptable.

    My personal view is that it is most certainly NOT and is one of the reasons forums such as this exist.
    I agree totally. Excellent thoughts. I put my beliefs and experience on the side of real science, real medicine, real MDs and PH.Ds, real diagnosis, real technology, real tests and real treatment, all proven, documented, monitored, tested and researched and not some bullshit, lying, phony, MLM garbage that legally can only hint around regarding a bunch of hooey claims. How anyone can claim to have any Christianity, morals, principles, values or ethics and hawk such crap is beyond me. Not to mention decieving someone who may have a serious illness or disease that will go untreated or poorly treated, or treatment stopped because they have been lured into a miracle cure by some MLMer. THAT to me, is the worst and most dangerous part of all of this. Plus the person never really knows what sides effects or damage that they are really doing to themselves by consuming these products until it is too late.

    The idea behind multi-level marketing (MLM) is simple. Imagine you have a product to sell. A common MLM product is some sort of panacea, such as a vitamin or mineral supplement. You could do what most businesses do: either sell it directly to consumers or find others who will buy your product from you and sell it to other people. MLM schemes require that you recruit people not only to buy and sell your product, but who will also recruit people who will not only buy and sell your product but also recruit people....ad infinitum. Only there never is an infinitum to move towards. This may seem unusual to traditional business people. Why, you might wonder would you recruit people to compete with you? For, isn't that what you are doing when you recruit people to sell the same products you are selling? MLM magic will convince you that it is reasonable to recruit competitors because they won't really be competitors since you will get a cut of their profits. This will take your mind off the fact that no matter how big your town or market, it is finite. The well will go dry soon enough. There will always be some distributors who will make money in an MLM scheme. The majority, however, must fail due to the intrinsic nature of all pyramid schemes.

    Multi-level marketing is system of marketing which puts more emphasis upon the recruiting of distributors than on the selling of products. As such, it is intrinsically flawed. MLM is very attractive, however, because it sells hope and appears to be outside the mainstream of business as usual. It promises wealth and independence to all. Unfortunately, no matter what the product, MLM is doomed to produce more failures than successes. For every MLM distributor who makes a decent living or even a decent supplemental income, there are at least ten who do little more than buy products and promotional materials, costing them much more than they will ever earn as an MLM agent. The most successful MLM scheme is Amway. It has millions of distributors worldwide with sales in the billions. At the turn of the century, the average Amway distributor earned about $700 a year in sales, but spent about $1,000 a year on Amway products. Distributors also have other expenses related to the business, e.g., telephone, gas, motivational meetings, and publicity material (Amway.com; Klebniov 1991).

    The reason MLM schemes cannot succeed is because MLM marketing is, in essence, a legal pyramid scheme. The basic idea is for a sales person to recruit more sales persons. This is very advantageous to those who own the company and supply the products, especially since the sales persons in MLMs are also customers. But it is puzzling why a sales person would think it is to his or her advantage to increase the number of competing sales persons.

    This is not to say there is no benefit to MLM membership. You might get certain tax write-offs, for a time. You get to buy products, some of which you might be happy with or at least convince yourself that you are. You get to go to inspirational meetings, some of which will make you feel good. You may meet new friends and you may even make a few (and I mean few) bucks. But more than likely you will end up alienating some family and friends. You will probably end up buying more stuff than you sell. And you will learn a lot about deceiving yourself and others. You won't be allowed to tell anyone how you are really doing, for example. You will always have to think positive, even if that means lying. You will have to tell anyone who asks that you are doing great, that business is wonderful, that you've never seen anything go so fast and bring you income so quickly, even if it isn't true. Hmmm............. who does this remind you of? lol
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    It's too bad, that this doesn't happen more often:

    The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a district court ruling requiring marketers of Seasilver, an alleged phony cure-all, to pay almost $120 million for failing to comply with an earlier order requiring them to pay $3 million in consumer redress.

    The Court of Appeals decision, issued on April 10, 2008, affirmed a district court order requiring Jason and Bela Berkes, Seasilver, USA, Inc., and Americaloe, Inc., to pay almost $120 million under an agreement with the Federal Trade Commission. The March 2004 order barred them from making false or misleading claims and included a $120 million judgment that would be suspended if they paid $3 million within a specified time. The defendants did not meet the required payment terms, and in June 2006 a district court granted the Commission’s request to enforce the stipulated judgment. The defendants appealed the decision.

    According to the FTC, the defendants claimed that the dietary supplement “Seasilver” was clinically proven to treat or cure 650 diseases, including cancer and AIDS, and cause rapid, substantial, and permanent weight loss without dieting. The agency alleged that the claims were false and unsubstantiated.

    The Federal Trade Commission’s initial action against the defendants was part of “Operation Cure.All,” a comprehensive law enforcement and consumer education campaign to combat health-related fraud on the Internet. Law enforcement actions were coordinated among the FTC, the Food and Drug Administration, Health Canada, Canada’s Competition Bureau, and state Attorneys General against unscrupulous marketers who prey upon seriously ill consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Life Aloft View Post
    This is not to say there is no benefit to MLM membership. You might get certain tax write-offs, for a time. You get to buy products, some of which you might be happy with or at least convince yourself that you are. You get to go to inspirational meetings, some of which will make you feel good. You may meet new friends and you may even make a few (and I mean few) bucks. But more than likely you will end up alienating some family and friends. You will probably end up buying more stuff than you sell. And you will learn a lot about deceiving yourself and others. You won't be allowed to tell anyone how you are really doing, for example. You will always have to think positive, even if that means lying. You will have to tell anyone who asks that you are doing great, that business is wonderful, that you've never seen anything go so fast and bring you income so quickly, even if it isn't true. Hmmm............. who does this remind you of? lol
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    Re: Product Review - TRIVITA SUBLINGUAL B-12

    Quote Originally Posted by iamwil
    Our sublingual B-12 is patented...many of those cheaper brands are violating the patent...if they don't care about patent laws who knows what else they don't care about.
    They're not violating anything.

    I don't understand why you said that.

    A patent is only temporary.

    The TriVita website claims that Alfred Libby was awarded the patent back in 1984.

    So I looked it up on patentstorm and here it is:

    Process for introducing vitamin B-12 into the bloodstream - US Patent 4432975 Full Text

    Notice that it says the patent was issued on Feb. 21, 1984 and expired on Oct. 19, 2001.

    I know you don't like the competition, Wil . . . but you don't need to make up lies about them violating the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Wolf View Post

    I don't understand why you said that.
    That's the whole point many anti MLMers are continually making.

    Anyone who has heard the old "once bitten, twice shy" philosophy becomes increasingly aware that in many/most cases, it's more prudent to assume EVERYTHING being said is a lie/exaggeration/error by omission/half truth or spindoctoring, and then work back from there to find the fact of the matter.

    There's absolutely no point in trying to work out the logic or sense in why something is being claimed by the company and/or salesperson.

    Now, perhaps, people are starting to understand why "marketing" and "public relations" are 4 or 5 year courses.

    It's not because it takes 4 or 5 years to learn how to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" believe me.
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    In God We Trust - Page 1 - News - Phoenix - Phoenix New Times

    Extraordinarily informative article ALA and well worth the read.

    If it isnt sufficient that Trivita, along with other businesess in the so called Wellness Industry make claims that bring false hope to sufferers of illnesses, some of them can even be damaging. This alone demonstrates an extreme amorality on the part of its producers and promoters.

    When you couple this with the fact that its CEO is the son of a man who has also specialized in capitalizing on the desperate through his dubious credit councilling business, Help Ministries (does affinity fraud ring a bell here?), then you have a picture of a family dynasty whose business appears to be robbing the poor to feed the rich, and using whatever claims to faith that serve their interests.

    Surely people who are involved in Trivita must be concerned that, not only do its product claims not stand up but that the background of its owners is not medical, health or wellness, but selling a "feel good" product to those in need, the majority of whose revenue ends up in the pockets of a mysterious for-profit business owned by an insider. The relationship between the two businesses and their CEOs speaks volumes and not about health and wellness.

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    Supplements and modern drugs often upset the tummy that is why many say to take with a meal to help to prevent this. It is an accepted medical standard to give things that upset the tummy or abdomen and other side effects when they believe the benefits out weigh the risks. Any things can be over done. Each person can figure out what works for them with medications, vitamins, minerals, supplements and herbs. Balance is key. I start off with 1/3rd or half of the recommend ended dosage of anything that I take to see how my body responds to it. Not everyone will feel obvious effects from anything that they take. When someone is deficient in a vitamin when they take it to replenish it, it can take time for them to feel the benefits. Our colon absorbs things as well as things under the tongue getting into our blood stream quicker. How each person's body responds can be a little different yet, similar. I have known people with blood test proof of vitamin deficiencies that felt fine. Have known people that were given vitamins and felt immediate medically proven in front of doctors effects. All products have what is called an average standard as a guide on how to take it, for some it will be too much and for some it will be too little. My dog takes a seizure medication that for years a very low dose worked on him that the lab kept saying shouldn't help him at all. He had a physical trauma that triggered his seizures. There are health food stores that are expensive, too. The health and medical industry all believe that people will pay a lot for their health. I agree, with researching all companies and products. Sometimes, the cheaper versions are okay but, sometimes they are not. They can say it dissolves under the tongue because it does even if it takes awhile for some. Health products often are expected to do more than they can by many people. Knew a guy that could drink a case of beer and not act drunk, could walk, talk, think clearly but he had been drinking for years so his body was what is called acclamated to the beer. Have known people that one beer & they were out cold or couldn't function. MLM is a legal business but it doesn't work the way most people are comfortable with business working. It takes a lot of work to succeed in a MLM business. Most products have multiple people making a profit off of them and that happens in MLM businesses, too. Prayers for wisdom & balance in all that everyone does. Thanks for reading. :O} All Rights Reserved

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    A business can describe what they think a product might do as long as they put on their product that the statements haven't been evaluated by the FDA. ARR

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    In both Amway and Trivita the sales person has the option for retail sales and not MLM. MLM is to give discounts to people when they are a member. It isn't different than Sam's Whole Sale / Bulk membership businesses. They ask you to tell others. They won't let you in without paying them. Yet, if someone buys something you recommend they get all the profit while in MLM the profit is shared but yes, often people at the bottom don't make much in MLM without recruiting when in retail you can make a profit without recruiting members. arr

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    Kindness 12, welcome to the site. These MLMs often sell around 50 - 90% or more of their products inside the pyramid to other distributors. That is the fatal flaw in my opinion and in fact that puts many in a position of barely passing legal muster depending on the jurisdiction. Also, it has been shown on numerous occasions that these products are overpriced and overhyped. The companies know that individual distributors will make claims that the company legally can't and that is why they choose this marketing method. Most of these products as priced and presented could not compete in the real world marketplace.

    You make a good point about side effects. Any prescribed drug, MLM sold supplement or other product one consumes can have side effects and that suggest consulting with one's doctor when using anything is prudent!

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