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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    The Practice room pianos (11 that are actually monopolized by teaching adjuncts when there are 500 music enrollments that need to have access to them for hours daily) continue to fall apart and are not safe to use. The Richland College (local junior / 2 year program) continues to waste thousands of $$$ on the TMEA Convention in San Antonio hosting a table for recruitment and thousands more on hosting the Carnival of Steel program in April that has virtually no attendance. The music program needs dozens more practice rooms and the pianos need to be repaired and rebuilt. Other necessary equipment is lacking. There are only two ensemble rooms that are almost unusable as they are filled to the brim storing everything imaginable in that building that is in horrible disrepair and bereft of storage rooms. The many classes and ensembles using the 2 rooms all require different equipment and set-ups. The Richland College Music Program is a disaster!

    When is the DCCCD Board going to step in and remove the dirty advisors harming our students and organize the music departments at the 7 colleges into a workable program that is not wasting tax dollars?


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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    The information quoted is word for word off of DCCCD's / Richland College's website. I printed out multiple copies and posted them throughout the music building. The music program is so dirty they keep tearing this vital information down and destroying it. The real advisors and Transfer Center want students to have the correct information that the college publishes. The dirty music advisors and their ilk will do anything to keep the students in the dark and filling chairs. The fact these students will exhaust their financial aid and land in out of state tuition at a Texas University is of no concern to this bunch. The mission of Richland's Music Department is to fill chairs. Why would they want the degree plan and excessive hours information to be secret??? A taxpayer, student and paying parent bloodbath of epic proportions!

    Excessive Hours
    Students should take care when selecting additional courses to be transferred toward a Baccalaureate degree. House Bill 1172 allows an institution to charge the equivalent of out of state tuition for credit hours taken beyond the state limits. State limits are:
    For students entering public Texas institutions Fall 1999 - Summer 2006 who attempt 45 hours beyond what is required for Baccalaureate degree (120 hours). For students entering Fall 2006 and thereafter who attempt 30 hours beyond the hours required for a Baccalaureate degree. It is recommended that students take minimal hours beyond degree requirements to avoid possible higher tuition charges at the institution to which they are transferring.
    This degree plan will constitute a 60-semester-credit-hour transfer block to any public Texas four-year college or university.
    Courses Required for the AA Degree with a Field of Study in Music
    Component Areas
    and CB Codes
    Courses Semester-Credit Hours Required
    Communication
    (CB010)
    Select EACH of the following:

    ENGL 1301 (a grade of "C" or better is required)
    ENGL 1302
    6
    Mathematics
    (CB020)
    Select ONE of the following:

    (A grade of "C" or better is required.)
    MATH 1314, 1316, 1324, 1325, 1332, 1342, 1350, 1414, 1442, 2412, 2413, 2414
    3-4
    Life and Physical Sciences
    (CB030)
    Select ONE of the following:

    ANTH 2401, BIOL 1406, 1407, 1408, 1409, 1411, 2401, 2402, 2406, 2416, 2420, 2421
    CHEM 1405, 1406, 1407, 1411, 1412, 2423, 2425
    ENVR 1401, 1402
    GEOL 1401, 1402, 1403, 1404, 1405, 1445, 1447
    PHYS 1401, 1402, 1403, 1404, 1405, 1407, 1415, 1417, 2425, 2426
    4
    Creative Arts
    (CB050)
    Select the following:
    MUSI 1307
    3
    American History
    (CB060)
    Select the following:

    HIST 1301
    and
    Select ONE of the following:
    HIST 1302, 2301, 2328, 2381
    6
    Government/Political Science
    (CB070)
    Select EACH of the following:

    GOVT 2305, 2306
    6
    Component Area Option
    (CB090)
    Select ONE of the following options:
    Option A: SPCH 1311, 1315, 1321 or SGNL 1301, 1302 and PHED 1164
    OR
    Option B: FOREIGN LANGUAGE - ARAB 1411, 1412; CHIN 1411, 1412; FREN 1411, 1412; GERM 1411, 1412; ITAL 1411, 1412; JAPN 1411, 1412; KORE 1411, 1412; PORT 1411, 1412; RUSS 1411, 1412; SPAN 1411, 1412
    4
    CORE CREDIT HOURS FOR THIS AA DEGREE 32

    REQUIRED MUSIC ENSEMBLE FIELD OF STUDY COURSES
    Select FOUR semester hours from the following:
    MUEN 1121, 1122, 1123, 1131, 1132, 1133, 1134, 1135, 1136, 1137, 1151, 1152, 1153, 2123, 2141
    (Courses may be repeated for credit.)
    4
    APPLIED STUDY
    I. Select EIGHT (8) semester hours in the major applied area of study of the following:
    MUAP 1101, 1105, 1109, 1113, 1115, 1117, 1121, 1125, 1129, 1133, 1137, 1141, 1145, 1149, 1153, 1157, 1158, 1161, 1165, 1169, 1177, 1181, 2201, 2205, 2209, 2213, 2215, 2217, 2221, 2225, 2229, 2233, 2237, 2241, 2245, 2249, 2253, 2257, 2258, 2261, 2265, 2269, 2277, 2281
    (Courses may be repeated for credit.)
    II. Applied/class piano
    MUSI 1181, 1182, 2181, 2182; MUAP 1169, 2269, 2369
    8
    THEORY/AURAL SKILLS
    Select EACH of the following:
    MUSI 1116, 1117, 1311, 1312, 2116, 2117, 2311, 2312
    16
    TOTAL CREDIT HOURS REQUIRED FOR THIS AA DEGREE 60
    Note: State universities are required to accept only 60 hours in transfer; therefore, it is strongly suggested that students check with their receiving university regarding the acceptance of any credit hours over the 60-credit hour maximum.
    Transfer Services Information
    The mission of the Transfer Services — Articulation and University Relations Office is to ensure seamless transfer of credit courses from the colleges of DCCCD to other colleges and universities. The Transfer Services Office provides information to students, academic advisors, career counselors, staff and faculty regarding articulation agreements, course transfer, academic planning and related student services through the transfer services dashboard.
    Transfer Services also provides transfer guides that include courses (course numbers and course names) within our system that will transfer into degree plans at other institutions.

    The Richland College Transfer Center provides transfer advising concerning course transferability as well as university programs and degrees, in an effort to make transferring to a four-year university a seamless process.
    Monday & Tuesday 2 p.m. – 5 p.m.
    Wednesday & Thursday 9 a.m. – 12 p.m.
    Friday 2 p.m. – 5 p.m.
    Walk-In Schedule
    Monday & Tuesday 9 a.m. – 12 p.m.
    Wednesday & Thursday 2 p.m. – 5 p.m.
    Friday 9 a.m. – 12 p.m.
    CONTACT
    Richland College Transfer Center
    El Paso Hall, E082
    972-761-6785

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    As usual in the music department it was skip day. In my jazz combo with 10 students enrolled 3 never bothered to show up today. Of 8 class meetings so far for this spring semester (2x a week) the department darlings have managed to show 2 or in one case 3 times in total. These students skipped class more than half the time last semester and missed scheduled performances as well. But, being the joke of a program it is, Derrick Logozzo retained these students as music majors as is routinely done for students that can't be bothered to come to class and/or fail Music Theory, Music Literature and their core classes. Any barely warm body qualifies as a music major at Richland College.

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    Midwestern State University responded to my inquiry concerning excess hours. The voice students Melissa Logan and Derrick Logozzo have sent out there with numerous extra credit hours (read 126 confirmed in one of those cases and similar numbers in the others according to the records posted here) will be charged according to the law. When Logozzo and Logan tell students about all the wild numbers of credit hours students are transferring and claim that students shouldn't worry about out of state tuition they are lying in order to fill their music chairs with trusting students. These liars also neglect to mention that financial aid doesn't cover this out of state tuition. The $5,400.00 here and thousands more charged at other schools is really going to hurt. Those students should send Logan and Logozzo the bill!!!!

    Melissa Logan and Derrick Logozzo need to be removed and music professionals who care about the students and will advise them honestly brought in!

    From:
    Walton, Laramie [mailto:laramie.walton@msutexas.edu]
    Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 2:41 PM
    To: Mad Mother
    Subject: MSU's current Excess Hours Policy

    ......MSU advises students to avoid taking excessive hours that do not apply to their 4-year degree plan.


    The Texas Legislature established that universities will not receive funding for students entering higher education in Fall 1999 or later or who exceed 45 semester hours above the degree requirements. For students entering Fall 2006, this limit is 30 hours above the degree requirements. Effective Spring 2013, the Board of Regents has determined that MSU will assess an additional tuition charge of $150 per semester credit hour for excess semester credit hours in which students enroll above these limits. To avoid being charged extra tuition, students should be aware of the number of credit hours required for their degree programs and avoid taking excess hours. Numerous drops, withdrawals, and changes of degree programs can also affect this status.

    Have a good day,
    Laramie T. Walton | Admissions Counselor

    MIDWESTERN STATE UNIVERSITY
    3410 Taft Boulevard
    Wichita Falls, Texas 76308-2099
    Office 940-397-4613
    Fax 940-397-4672
    msutexas.edu

    Recently ranked one of the Best Regional Universities in the West by US News and World Report!
    Recently ranked one of the top 50 most affordable universities in America by Best Value Schools!
    MSU asked for the names of the students affected. The MSU administration knows that their own alumna, Melissa Logan, is the adviser responsible for grievously injuring the students with dozens of excess hours that will leave them paying higher tuition for no legitimate reason and then sending them these students that are in crisis. I expect that the administrators of both MSU and Richland/DCCCD will communicate about this horrific and malicious advising Richland 's Music Department engages in to fill their own department chairs to the students' detriment.
    Last edited by Soapboxmom; 02-15-2020 at 12:50 PM.

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    Melissa Logan sending students with dozens of excess hours that will have to pay out of state tuition to her own Alma Mater should earn her the Alumna from Hell Award. She is such a huge embarrassment to MSU (Midwestern State University) and Richland College. Richland back in the day when I was there was a well respected music program and the feeder school to UNT. We alumni of Richland demand that a real qualified choir director be brought in and that we be welcomed back into our own choir chairs.

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    Legal Implications of Academic Advising
    NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightmare

    Legal issues primer
    Legal Issues for Advisors: A Primer
    Authored by: Stephen E. Robinson
    2004

    Within the context of the modern campus, few positions are as potentially problematic as that of the academic advisor. The close and frequent contact with students can prove to be both rewarding and simultaneously challenging. Prudent advisors keep their dual role as both student resource and representative of their institution in mind at all times when working with students. Failure to do so can lead to difficult circumstances. As we live in a litigious society, it is always possible that well-intentioned advisors can find themselves facing situations that could have been avoided. An understanding of basic legal concepts is an integral, yet often unknown, part of the practice of academic advising that can assist advisors in avoiding potential pitfalls.

    One of the most basic concepts that advisors should understand is due process rights. Due process means in simple terms "what is fair" (Miles, 2002). Due process rights are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution in the 5th and 14th amendments specifically......
    Academic advisors should be cognizant of the ramifications of due process for our practice...By understanding the concept involved in due process, advisors can avoid inadvertently denying a student rights that they are guaranteed. This can help protect an advisor from becoming embroiled in difficult legal circumstances.

    The standard that seems to emerge in recent court cases has centered on whether the agents (advisors) were acting within the scope of their professional duties (Zirkel, 2001). Did the advisor overstep the scope of his or her duties? This is how the institution can be held responsible for promises and advice made by their agents. Advisors should be aware of the implications of this for their practice. We should make a conscious effort to avoid speaking for areas outside our scopes... The implications for the advisor are clear here: stick to what you know (Stone, 2002)! It is very easy to fall into the trap of predictions that we all know, as advisors, are dangerous.

    For advisors, one of the most troubling recent incidents is a court case decided in Iowa...the majority opinion compared academic advising to the professions of accounting and law; the similarity being that these two professions provide advice that is relied upon to prevent injury. The majority of the court thought academic advising very similar to these other professions in this regard (Zirkel, 2001). The Iowa Supreme Court minority opinion noted that this case, "rather than 'encouraging sound academic guidance, it will discourage advising altogether.' (Zirkel, 2001)". Rather than go back to trial, the Cedar Rapids School District settled out of court with Mr. Sain (Stone, 2002).

    ...The court's decision is critical in that it clearly links academic advising, in terms of its importance, to accounting and law. While always of crucial importance, advising is not commonly viewed in this manner by authorities outside of academe. This new standard has serious implications for advisors. The traditional role our advice plays potentially takes on a new, and potentially unwelcome gravity.....To be truly effective while at the same time protecting ourselves, we must be aware of the legal implications of our work and the changing environment in which we operate. By seeking the advice of campus experts, including the counsel's office, advisors can safeguard themselves against potential errors.
    Steve Robinson
    West Virginia University
    Assistant University Registrar
    Melissa Logan and Derrick Logozzo refusing to follow DCCCD's published material and specific instructions from the VP Donna Walker to follow the Guided Pathway (degree plan,) stating to students that they need piles of credit hours that do not exist on any degree plan, registering them for courses that are not transferable and not sending students to the Career Services, Guided Pathways advisors and Transfer Center clearly shows that they have gone far beyond their scope of duties. As students are exhausting their financial aid at Richland and facing out of state tuition at Texas 4 year universities they are causing actionable injury.

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    Before Melissa Logan and Derrick Logozzo ran the program into the ground my generation of music students were the "cream of the crop."

    Cream of the Crop | CS Music

    Cream of the Crop : ACDA Performing Choirs 1981-1999

    September 1, 1999 Grace Cantey
    You may think that your solo work is all that really counts in a vocal performance degree. However, diva-in-training or not, singing in a choir or ensemble is part of the package at almost every vocal education program in the U.S.
    Ensembles and choral groups have a great deal to offer solo singers. Some of the greatest performers are also the greatest ensemble singers–after all, most operas contain more ensembles than solos. Your work in a university choir or vocal ensemble can teach you more than just how to “blend.” You’ll hone musical skills by sight-reading, and by singing different languages and musical styles. And many choirs perform at least one major work every year, giving their singers the chance to learn standard repertoire. Becoming familiar with major choral works prepares you well for the professional world.
    Since you have to be in a choir, you might as well be in the best you can find. We went to the American Choral Director’s Association (ACDA) and came up with a list of the college and university choirs selected to perform at the biennial national ACDA conventions over the past 20 years.
    William R. McMillan, choral director at the University of Texas at El Paso and chairman of the ACDA’s national committee on repertoire and standards for university choirs, told us, “These convention choirs have succeeded in a vigorous audition process. There are probably some very good programs that do not submit audition tapes, but I suspect that the number is very small.”
    Competition for a slot on the convention roster is stiff, with hundreds of choirs in the running. No choir may perform at two consecutive conventions but may skip one convention and apply to perform at the next one.
    Finding your university’s choir on this list may or may not make a difference to you–but participating in a quality choral program can’t help but add to your general musical education, and that’s what going to school is about.
    Four performances since 1981:
    Harvard University
    Three performances since 1981:
    Arizona State University
    Ohio State University
    Texas Christian University
    University of North Dakota
    University of Illinois
    University of Southern California
    Two performances since 1981:
    Brigham Young University
    California State University
    Chapman University
    Furman University
    Loyola Marymount University
    Michigan State University
    Oklahoma State University
    Ricks College
    San Jose State University
    Southwestern Baptist Theology Seminary
    Texas Tech University
    University of Iowa
    University of Michigan
    University of Mississippi
    University of Missouri
    University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire
    Utah State University
    Wartburg College
    Wheaton College
    One performance since 1981:
    Anderson University
    Angelo State University
    Austin Peay State University
    Bakersfield College
    Birmingham–Southern College
    Bowling Green State University
    Bryn Mawr College
    Calvin College
    Central Washington University
    Columbia College
    Doshisha Women’s College
    Eastern Tennessee State University
    Eastman School of Music–U. of Rochester
    Foothill College
    Florida State University
    Glassboro State College
    Howard University
    Illinois University
    Indiana University
    James Madison University
    Jackson State University
    Kentucky State University
    Loma Linda University
    Long Beach City College
    Louisiana State University
    Luther College
    Morehouse College
    Morris Brown College
    Nebraska Wesleyan University
    New England Conservatory
    Northeast Missouri State University
    Northern Arizona University
    Northern Texas State University
    Northwestern University
    Notre Dame College
    Oral Roberts University
    Pacific Lutheran University
    Parkland Community College
    Pennsylvania State University
    Porterville College
    Portland State University
    Richland College
    St. Olaf College
    Sam Houston State University
    Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
    Southern Seminary
    Southwest Iowa Community College
    Southwest Texas State University
    Southwestern Missouri State University
    Temple University
    Texas All-State Community College
    University of Alabama
    University of Arizona
    University of Central Arkansas
    University of Cincinnati
    University of Colorado–Boulder
    University of Dayton
    University of Georgia
    University of Miami
    University of Montevallo
    University of Nebraska
    University of North Carolina–Greensboro
    University of Northern Texas
    University of Regina
    University of Southern Mississippi
    University of Texas–Arlington
    University of Texas–Austin
    University of Texas–San Antonio
    University of Utah
    University of Western Ontario
    University of Wisconsin–Madison
    University of South Carolina
    Waldorf College
    West Kentucky University
    West Texas State University
    Westminster Choir College

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    Jazz professors, students win big at Sam Houston competition
    Employee Success — Congratulations to Ron Jones, Richland College Jazz Ensemble/Big Band director, and Brad Williams, Jazz Small Group Combo director, whose student jazz ensembles were awarded straight superior ratings from all five festival judges during the Sam Houston State University Jazz Festival Competition in Huntsville, Texas, March 28-29. Student musicians Kerry Burkhart, Sam Howard, Jinyu Kim, Austin Lemke and Su Youn Yi also received Outstanding Musician/Soloist awards, earning five of eight individual awards awarded among members of the 14 jazz ensembles from across Texas who competed. Brad Williams was also a guest performer during the afternoon clinic with Lynn Seaton, University of North Texas College of Music professor and professional jazz bassist.
    The good old days. Jones should be back leading the Big Band. Richland should be run like a real school where attendance is expected, high standards are set and maintained and only qualified students are brought in and retained in the program. The jazz and choir programs were the cream of the crop until Derrick Logozzo and Melissa Logan ran the department into the ground. It is time for positive change. Logozzo and Logan are not running a legitimate program.

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    Re: NASM Accredited??? DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightm

    It has been alleged that students who routinely skip class and miss scheduled performances are being passed with A's and B's in music classes. I have seen compelling evidence that this is the case. Clearly DCCCD needs to do a thorough investigation to determine if Richland's music department grades are issued fairly. Richland should, as an accreditated music school, be mirroring what is done at a real 4 year music program at universities.

    This would certainly explain why students we don't see regularly in class and that miss performances and juries keep coming back semester after semester. Why not keep enrolling if everyone gets and A or a B? The program apparently has no standards for entrance or retention. Just hang out and party on the taxpayers dime as Logan and Logozzo want to fill their music department chairs.

    Grades being issued in a uniform and fair manner is paramount. Students are competing for scholarships at 4 year universities and for admittance to high quality competitive programs. Students who are denied opportunities because a Richland student with artificially inflated grades has beat them out would have very good grounds for a lawsuit. Richland students with these incredibly high GPAs who transfer will be looked at as quality candidates by accepting institutions when in fact they may not attend class regularly, may lack the training they should have and may not be performing up to an acceptable level. That reflects very badly on the program and destroys its reputation.

    The truly talented, hardworking students that practice diligently and have excellent attendance may also be harmed. If Richland gets a reputation for being a sub-par program (which it where it is clearly headed) with blatant grade inflation (everyone gets an A, type of place) then 4 year universities will not want to take Richland students in transfer. Who would want students from a program that is clearly not a legitimate program? What a slap in the face of the students who sacrifice everything and work tirelessly to do well. Their hard work gets them exactly the same grade as the class skipping, performance and jury skipping, lazy do nothings who are not putting in the practice time and effort and not carrying their weight in the program. Why bother to show up or practice when everyone gets an A??? Disgusting!

    It is high time that the DCCCD board get to the bottom of the advising issues and alleged grading concerns. The program is simply not trustworthy.

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