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LiveWave "antenna" SCAM
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Are you old enough to remember the bogus ads that ran back in the 70s for an over-priced little box that you plugged into an electrical outlet that "turned your entire house into a giant TV antenna"?
They're back.
Google, Facebook and Yahoo have been absolutely polluted recently with misleading LiveWave ads making outrageous claims.
The current generation of ads claim that the LiveWave "antenna":
- Was developed using new technology developed at M.I.T.
- That astronauts in orbit use it to watch TV.
- That "new laws" passed in 2019 make it legal.
- That you will receive anywhere from 600 to 800 channels (depending on which ad you see).
Clicking on the Facebook, Yahoo and Google ads take you to pages like these:
https://smartertechtrends.com/2019/c/livewave/4fl2/
https://smartertechtrends.com/2019/c/livewave/3-l2
https://smarthomegadget.co/livewave/discount/us/
https://www.trendytechmedia.com/products/livewave.html
that contain practically no truthful information, with the exception of (from fine print at the bottom of pages):
Testimonials and comments found within our website are for illustrative purposes only for the intent of portraying how the product may potentially resolve the intended problems and are not actually from real customers
and
This is an advertisement and not an actual news article, blog, or consumer protection update.
The story depicted on this site and the person depicted in the story are not actual news. Rather, this story is based on the results that some people who have used these products have achieved. The results portrayed in the story and in the comments are illustrative, and may not be the results that you achieve with these products. This page could receive compensation for clicks on or purchase of products featured on this site.
Once you are saturated with empty hype and veiled lies, if you are gullible enough to click on the "buy now" button, you are taken to:
www.getlivewaveantenna.com
It's anonymously registered, of course. This purchase page includes the typical good news that you are entitled to a major discount and is running the software that auto-generates a fake "purchaser" every eight seconds. LiveWave presents themselves as being owned by "SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES, LLC." and their corporate address as:
300 Delaware Avenue, Suite 210-A
Wilmington, DE 19801
I have been unable to get a live person on their listed phone number 855 282 8073 .
Don't waste your $39.95 on this relatively useless "antenna".
Cable channels always have been and always will be delivered by the cable systems through a cable to your home.
Satellite TV signals are scrambled by the providers so that only their paying customers can receive them unscrambled.
The only programming that can be received by any antenna are the signals broadcast by over-the-air TV stations in local market cities. Those signals can be received more effectively by $10-$20 antennas available at major retailers. With these broadcast signals mostly occupying UHF frequencies (with a few sometimes using VHF), the "bowtie antennas" and simple loops and rabbit ears that came with your TV 30-50 years ago will do a better job of getting you "free TV" than the worthless LiveWave "antenna".
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I am going to keep hammering on the misleading ads being used to market the LiveWave antenna SCAM until they take this crap product off the market.
Let's review today's dose from this page:
https://lc-track.com/blog/livewave/en/e/2/
The implication of this ad is that a "Nobel laureate" Japanese engineer named Isamu Tanaka Ph.D wants to let you in a secret that will let you cancel your cable subscription and "Allow [you] To Watch FREE TV In HD, Get Up To 800 Premium And International Channels, Record DVR And More".
Let's start with the fact that I can't find any Isamu Tanaka who is a "Nobel laureate", but I did find one who has published extensively on his career studying the effects of different substances on the lungs of rats.
Then move on to this paragraph:
In an interview, Isamu Tanaka said that up until 2019, cable companies in U.S. were allowed to "scramble" their channels so that the general public could not access them without paying for their service. However, that all changed starting in 2019, with the government ruling that TV signals are public property and "belong to the people".
It is absolutely true that "up until 2019, cable companies in U.S. were allowed to "scramble" their channels so that the general public could not access them without paying for their service".
It is also STILL TRUE and WILL REMAIN THAT WAY.
Nothing has changed. Cable TV content never has been and never will be "broadcast".
When they follow up that irrelevant statement with "that all changed starting in 2019, with the government ruling that TV signals are public property and belong to the people", they want people to ignore the reality that over-the-air broadcast TV signals have always been freely available to anyone who wants to receive them.
They want people to believe that plugging in a plastic disk that connects an antenna wire from your TV to the grounding wire in your house will give you free access to "Watch Any Movie, Show or TV Channel For FREE in HD" and "Get Up To 800 Premium And International Channels".
That's a lie. Period.
Thrifty consumers who live within 30-45 miles of one or more TV stations (depending on antenna location, antenna quality, buildings and terrain typically receive about 40-50 channels in metropolitan areas and a third that many near less populated cities. These channels include the major broadcast channels plus a few networks that are specifically marketed to broadcasters for transmitting on digital sub-channels within their bandwidth allotment. Most people in my metropolitan area who use OTA signals find that somewhat more than half of the channels they receive primarily carry home shopping networks, religious programming, children's programming and infomercials.
Keep in mind that those consumers are using antennas that are designed to receive TV signals as opposed to the useless piece of plastic junk that is being marketed as the LiveWave antenna.
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Last edited by shipdit; 02-28-2019 at 05:36 PM.
Reason: Modify the lc-track.com url that the SCAMMERS changed yesterday
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The LiveWave Antenna people made the mistake of opening a Facebook page. Somehow, incredulously, there is not a single positive review.
Are these Livewave antenna people such rookies in the SCAM business that they have not learned the "delete button trick" yet?
Here are the LiveWave antenna reviews that are coming in:
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The follow-up comments to those LiveWave antenna reviews are well worth clicking on the LiveWave antenna Facebook page reviews link.
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The number of customer complaints on the review section of the LiveWave antenna Facebook page are up to 93.
Not a single positive review.
LiveWave antenna's parent company SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES, LLC does not seem to be faring very well with the Better Business Bureau, either:
https://www.bbb.org/us/de/wilmington...-0251-92009156
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I wonder what luck the hapless consumers of the LiveWave antenna will have if this advertising surge on Facebook, Google and Yahoo for the worthless product ever generates enough protest to ignite a class-action lawsuit.
Trying to serve papers on scammers is a huge problem with scammer's websites anonymously registered.
SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES LTD or SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES LLC is currently promoting quite a few different crap products using relatively identical web templates to the one in use hyping the LiveWave antenna. Just a few:
https://www.britegrip.com
Yep - a $39.99 glove with built-in flashlights. Corporate address listed:
Swell Ecomm Enterprises LTD, 20-22 Wenlock Road, London, England, N17GU, United Kingdom
https://www.sharpermate.com
Heya! It's your $59.99 knife sharpener! Corporate address listed:
Swell Ecomm Enterprises LTD, 62 Mody Rd Uni 1213 121 FL, Tsim ShaTrui East Kowloon, Hong Kong
Both of ^ these alleged physical locations conveniently share the same telephone contact number:
609-256-4523
But wait! There's more! ALSO using the same telephone number is:
https://www.swellhdplus.com/
Yet another overpriced ($34.99) TV antenna offered by:
SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES, LLC. 300 Delaware Avenue Suite 201-A, Wilmington, DE 19801, USA
609-256-4523
https://www.mindinsole.com
MindInsoles - "the world’s first Acupressure Insoles"- $38.99 +S&H
SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES, LLC. 300 Delaware Avenue, Suite 210-A, Wilmington, DE 19801
609-256-4523
https://www.secondstreamtv.com
I don't have the patience to figure out just what it is these people are selling. Although their corporate address is listed as:
Strong Current Enterprises Limited Postbus 202, 6670AE Zetten, The Netherlands
If you need customer service in the USA ....... it's: 609-256-4523
It looks like the customer service reps manning those phones may be putting their "down time" to creative use, according to:
https://findwhocallsyou.com/6092564523?CallerInfo
worried grandma • Posted 04 Aug 2018
This number showed up on my bank statement as a recurring payment for reflexology in a state 12 hours away .
Worried in NJ • Posted 14 Sep 2016
Rec'd a call yesterday from this number stating a felony warrant is being sent to district attorney for my arrest and they will take my kids. They then referred me to Alternative Dispute Resolution in Perkasie, PA who said I needed to pay a loan that was taken in 2013 and the bank account has been closed. They wanted 2800.00 or would do a settlment of 1500 if I paid by 5:00 next day. I have been trying to get more information and the person is not available - I think it is definately a scam but makes you worry. Detected as: Loan Offer, Phishing SCAM
260.7**.***.***.*0 • Posted 07 Sep 2016
Scamm artist, telling you you have a warrant for a criminal crime, but we all know that warrants don't work that way,,
LiveWave antennas for sale. Step right up, folks.
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^ Those are sequential screen captures of a marketing video that has been making the rounds of a huge number of Facebook pages. The superimposed assessments in red letters are added by me.
It appears that a significant part of the marketing plan for the worthless LiveWave antenna from SWELL ECOMM ENTERPRISES, LLC involves a page right out of the Ponzi Scammer's Playbook:
"It doesn't matter if your product is a piece of junk or not. Offer a generous commission as part of an "affiliate marketing plan" and the affiliate marketers will do most of your work for you"
In just a month or two there are hundreds of Facebook webpages set up to distribute fraudulent videos and make outrageous claims about the plastic disk they're calling the LiveWave antenna.
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Please note that the "reviews page" on the LiveWave antenna facebook page that I included screen captures from in this post has now been removed:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/LiveWave...76482/reviews/
We have seen the LiveWave antenna SCAM promoters claim the endorsement of an imaginary "Japanese Nobel laureate" and an imaginary M.I.T. engineer.
LiveWave antenna promoters have also hijacked the name and likeness of a reporter for the ABC affiliate in San Francisco, Michael Finney at ABC7 KGO-TV.
Mr. Finney is not very pleased:
https://abc7news.com/technology/7-on...views/5143975/
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shipdit
This bit of effluvium reminds me of the cellphone signal booster stickers from the 80's and 90's.A0UW_1_2017061457101286.jpg
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
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A few days ago, I ran across a Facebook user who was noticing the explosive proliferation of promotional Facebook pages using fake professional endorsers, stock photos and outrageous lies to funnel clueless customers to the LiveWave antenna SCAM:
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Do you also remember the Life Wave Patch for your: car to increase your gas mileage, Anti-Aging, Weight Loss, Energy Patch, Diabetes and ADD, and of course the obligatory cancer patch. All supposedly using nanotechnology. What a riot they were, yet hundreds of thousands of people joined and promoted them. Their website looked like it had been done by a 3rd grader on their first computer. Those were the days.
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Amazingly, Lifewave patches are still in existence and being actively marketed.
Do a quick Google and amaze yourself
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The "internet marketing" scammers with the lc-track.com website (who may be reached by clicking on any of a large number of Facebook ads like the one above) changed the last digit of their LiveWave antenna promo page once we featured them here.
It's currently available at:
https://lc-track.com/blog/livewave/en/e/6/
and ...
https://lc-track.com/blog/livewave/en/e/2/
They would like you to believe that this is a photo of "Japanese engineer Isamu Tanaka Ph.D", who invented the LiveWave antenna:
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Oops. Nope. It is actually a photo of Yoshinori Ohsumi taken in 2016, when he won the Nobel Prize for medicine:
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It appears Facebook uses the same criteria for vetting ads that Brian Krassenstein did at Talkgold.
But wait! There's more!
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^ There is "Dr. Tanaka" with his "fellow engineers" introducing "the future of television" that "surpasses all limits known to science"!
Nope.
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It's Yoshinori Ohsumi taken at that 2016 press conference honoring his winning of the Nobel Prize in medicine, again.
Why doesn't Facebook have an interest in seeing that their members are not seeing ads that lead to frauds like the LiveWave antenna scammers?
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shipdit
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The "internet marketing" scammers with the lc-track.com website (who may be reached by clicking on any of a large number of Facebook ads like the one above) changed the last digit of their LiveWave antenna promo page once we featured them here.
It's currently available at:
https://lc-track.com/blog/livewave/en/e/6/
and ...
https://lc-track.com/blog/livewave/en/e/2/
They would like you to believe that this is a photo of "Japanese engineer Isamu Tanaka Ph.D", who invented the LiveWave antenna:
LiveWave 18.jpg
Oops. Nope. It is actually a photo of Yoshinori Ohsumi taken in 2016, when he won the Nobel Prize for medicine:
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It appears Facebook uses the same criteria for vetting ads that Brian Krassenstein did at Talkgold.
But wait! There's more!
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^ There is "Dr. Tanaka" with his "fellow engineers" introducing "the future of television" that "surpasses all limits known to science"!
Nope.
LiveWave 21.jpg
It's Yoshinori Ohsumi taken at that 2016 press conference honoring his winning of the Nobel Prize in medicine, again.
Why doesn't Facebook have an interest in seeing that their members are not seeing ads that lead to frauds like the LiveWave antenna scammers?
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It's simple, it is called "Advertising Revenue."
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It's simple,
for all the rhetoric from Facebook about how clever its' algorithms are, they can't / won't even recognize a blatant scam when one is pointed out to them.
![](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8657/Ic9D0m.png)
IOW, the ads aren't even viewed by a real human being
Social conscience ????
No bloody way.
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Remember the Omega Wand? It was promoted by Len Clements who entertained us here with his presence during that time. Seems he fell off the face of the earth. Always defended all MLM programs to the hilt and of course bragged about his 155 IQ. He was fun to play with while it lasted. I do wonder whatever happened to him.
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In their quest to target consumers who do the least amount of rational thinking before clicking a "buy" button,
the affiliate marketers running the lc-track website promoting the LiveWave antenna SCAM have included a helpful "results locating tool".
Much like the map-based tools on legitimate websites like antennaweb.org and TVfool.com,
their tool lets you enter your location by zip code to "Find Out If Your Area Qualifies For Free TV & Channels You Can Get".
I tried Bethel, Alaska (population 6,080):
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HEYA!! 680 channels with the LiveWave antenna!
WOW!! I wonder how awesome it gets in a place like New York City?
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Um ... 680 channels? Could something possibly be amiss with how the lc-track tool is calculating the results you will get with the LiveWave antenna?
Let's try Bethel, Alaska with antennaweb.org:
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TWO PBS channels?
Must be a mistake. Let's try Manhattan in New York City:
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"up to" 71 channels from 26 stations ...
Uh-oh ... today's hot news flash:
The promoters at lc-track will blatantly lie to you in any way they can dream up to try and sucker you into coughing up $39.95 for a cheap plastic disk called the LiveWave antenna that doesn't even receive as many channels as a coat hanger stuck into the antenna lead jack on the back of your TV.
Has anyone informed Simon Stepsys that there is money to be made marketing worthless plastic junk now that Crypto World Evolution is going down the drain?
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It looks like the reputation managers running the LiveWave antenna Facebook page thought they had mitigated their public relations problem by removing the "reviews" page.
Oops. They've still got comments on their own posts and "visitor posts" that they haven't gotten around to deleting yet:
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LiveWave antenna, anyone?
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I can't spend all day at this, but here is a small sampling of the links from fraudulent Facebook ads popping up on your Facebook news feed today to steer you to sites where "internet marketers" are trying to rip you off by selling you the worthless Livewave antenna:
Fraudulent Livewave antenna Facebook ad #1
Fraudulent Livewave antenna Facebook ad #2
Fraudulent Livewave antenna Facebook ad #3
Fraudulent Livewave antenna Facebook ad #4
I would encourage everyone to use the "report this ad" function on their Facebook feeds. If nothing else, Facebook might get the message that people are on to their business model of making ad revenue by accepting ad business from the Livewave antenna scammers.
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The Livewave antenna scammers are about a week overdue deleting angry customer complaints from their Facebook page:
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Is there anyone from LiveWave there to remove posts or have they all taken the money and run ???
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Is there anyone from LiveWave there to remove posts or have they all taken the money and run ???
It's almost like they can't make up their minds about how consistent they want to be when it comes to deleting the onslaught of consumer complaints. There's not a single positive post on their Facebook page and while Facebook lists "242 comments", only 84 of those survive (almost all of them going up in the most recent 4 days and consisting either of "It's been months - where is my order?" or "Finally arrived - DOES NOT WORK!").
There's an interesting mix of 67 consumer reviews and complaints following the review on this page:
https://www.highya.com/livewave-antenna-reviews
66 of the 67 reviewers rate the Livewave antenna as one out of five stars. Most amusingly, the single "three out of five" star rating review reads as follows:
- Not bad
By David T., El Mirage, AZ, Apr 1, 2019
Verified Reviewer
I received 23 channels - I live in the Phoenix, Arizona area. I picked up the same channels as the Clear TV Antenna. I unplugged the antenna and it still picked up the same channels.
Bottom Line: Yes, I would recommend this to a friend
^ (my bold)
Just the subject headings of the other 66 reviews tells the story:
- LiveWave robbed me
- Went from 15 channels to 4
- This is a BIG BS antenna
- Big rip off
- Save your money...JUNK.
- Haven't received it yet.
- Major scam!
- DOES NOT WORK
- Never sent anything
- Total scam, worthless!
- Major scam!
- DOES NOT WORK
- Never sent anything
- Total scam, worthless!
- Same as the others
- Paid for/never received antenna
- Dissatisfied customer!
- Bad situation
- LiveWave Antenna review
- LiveWave sounded too good to be true...I'll bite!
- A lot of bull
- Yes, a major scam!
- Scam
- DUD
- RIP OFF
- LiveWave review
- Terrible!
- Disappointed
- RIP OFF
- Buyer beware, said was shipped, wasn't.
- Update
- Ordered over a month ago. Still received nothing.
- Transaction canceled by my bank
- Save your money...Buyer beware.
- Shipment?
- Scam
- Does not work
- Do NOT waste your money!
- False advertising and fake claims
- TOTAL SCAM
- Thieves
- Piece of crap, don’t waste your money
- Does not work
- It sounds like a scam to me
- Still waiting
- Paid for something I never received
- Waiting FOREVER
- Scammers
- Scam
- Buyers beware
- Have not received the items
- 30 days no antenna
- Fraud
- LiveWave
- Return the LiveWave Antenna
- Long wait for nothing
- Scam
- This is a total scam!
- Update 2/18/19
- NO RESPONSE!
- Scam
- Not worth the time to plug it in
- You may be scammed
- I only pick up 3 channels
- No channels and NO support
- Junk!
- LiveWave Antenna is a scam
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Re: LiveWave "antenna" SCAM
Here's a sample of the SCAM ADS Facebook continues
to allow despite MONTHS of complaints
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^ The plethora of scammy Facebook accounts spawned to promote the Livewave antenna SCAM shows no sign of slowing down.
If anyone needs a quality education on how not to get ripped off by worthless "HDTV antenna" hucksters, I highly recommend this report put together by Phillip Dampier back when the “ClearView HDTV Antenna” was being pimped out to gullible consumers:
https://stopthecap.com/2018/07/10/mi...cams-are-back/
Check out the 122 comments that follow the article. They are all complaints about or negative reviews of the LiveWave antenna.
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Re: LiveWave "antenna" SCAM
That device pictured is a bit scary. It looks like they are suggesting the your antenna csble be connected to a wall outlet, (hence the co-ax connecter on one side and US 120v plug on the other) wich is begging for blown breakers or a fire!
It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
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