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    Re: DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightmare

    Hello! Grades are in from today. Please go double check me. If you did not get a ticket last Tuesday, 9-10, you have until this Friday to email me. There are about 6 of you who are turning in tickets but you are not on my roster. Please, everyone go check to make sure you have recital in your ecampus. Let me know if I can help. -Professor Logan
    Melissa Logan couldn't be bothered to know and follow the Richland Degree plan or those for the schools her students could transfer to. So, now that she has put students into dozens of hours that are over the degree plan, will not transfer, waste the hours available for financial aid and risked students having to pay out of state tuition at a 4 year Texas university we get this tripe. Richland in a desperate attempt to clean up the mess this incompetent music professor / advisor made had to create 2 sections of CE (Continuing Education) recital class. Most of the students in the music department needed to take the non-credit version. Unbelievably, there are only 8 students enrolled in the two CE sections. The other 100 or so students are in the credit section of the recital class racking up hours that most of them can't afford to be racking up. Is Logan checking the rolls for those CE recital sections or did these students fall through the cracks at advising and never get placed in any section of the required recital class for music majors?

    The Richland College Music Department is in shambles. Drastic changes need to be made to save this mess of a department!

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    National Association of Schools of Music Guidelines:<br>
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    Recruitment, Admission-Retention, Record Keeping, and Advisement<br>
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    1. Standards <br>
    a. Communications with prospective students and parents must be accurate and presented with integrity.
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    Derrick Logozzo and Melissa Logan totally misrepresent everything to prospective students and their parents.&amp;nbsp; Who would want to enter a program that will force them to take dozens of hours that will not transfer, but will put the student into out of state tuition territory and exhaust their financial aid? Who would come in as a Music Technology Major when the courses in reality aren't offered at Richland?<br>
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    b. As a matter of sound educational practice, institutions recruit and admit students only to programs or curricula for which they show aptitudes and prospects for success. 71 NASM Handbook 2018-19II.H., I.<br>
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    Students at Richland are brought in to fill chairs. Many do not have the background, training, experience or work ethic to make. Students can continually skip, put in little practice time, earn failing grades, be disrespectful to faculty, miss performances, skip juries or more and get very high marks and be invited right back into ensembles, lessons and music classes. The hard truth is very few transfer successfully. Of those few success stories we have several students at Logan's Alma Mater, Midwestern State University and mine, Texas A &amp; M Commerce. One student is out at UNT and doing very well.&amp;nbsp; The recent A &amp; M grad had to fight out of state tuition.&amp;nbsp; Logan's Midwestern students can't appeal and will have to pay thousands in higher tuition due to her antics. Logozzo's 3 students that made it into his Alma Mater Capital University in Ohio in the last several years are on a full-ride in one case and the other's have scholarships to defray their private school tuition.&amp;nbsp; Hundreds of students have come through Richland in the past several years and racked up well over a hundred hours and have no Associate's Degree and are who knows where.<br>
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    c. Recruitment goals, policies, and procedures shall be ethical, controlled by the institution,compatible with the goals and objectives of the music unit, and free of practices that compensate recruiters directly on an individual or aggregate per-student-yield basis or otherwise create conflicts of interest for recruitment personnel or the institution.
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    The recruitment at Richland fills chairs in the music department. The needs of the students are not being addressed.&amp;nbsp; Following degree plans precisely by putting students only in classes that they must have to transfer and keeping the standards high so that students have done the work necessary to succeed is not happening. Students are not given advising about realistic career options or encouraged to just take 1 ensemble they could participate meaningfully (as in the one they participated in in high school.) Every warm body that walks through the door ends up a music major or gets put into numerous music classes including recital and lessons that are not on the degree plan for the major they are pursuing.<br>
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    d. Admissions evaluation procedures and advising services must be clearly related to the goals and objectives of the institutionís music programs.
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    The objective of the program should not be to create professional students.<br>
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    e. Admission to particular programs of music study must be correlated to the institutionís ability to provide the requisite coursework and experiences at the appropriate level for all students enrolled.
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    Strong collegiate music program with several unique course offerings and over 18 performing ensembles including Wind Symphony, Orchestra, Chamber Ensembles (Woodwind, Brass, Percussion, Strings, Piano), Chamber Singers, Womenís and Menís Choirs, Jazz Singers, Fusion Band, and Steel Bands in a department with approximately 500 music students regularly enrolled.
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    The Richland webpages and music advisors totally misrepresent what the program can truly offer. The facilities are woefully inadequate for all the many programs advertised. The 11 rooms that are designated practice rooms are monopolized by adjunct faculty as there is nowhere else for them to teach, so the 500 enrollments have virtually nowhere to practice. Students are lured in with all kinds of talk of music ensembles and opportunities that no longer exist or do not make. 3 of the 5 choirs were removed from the schedule over the summer. Jazz improvisation once again did not make. Chamber brass did not make. One of the two jazz combos did not make.<br>
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    The choral music department at Richland College offers four ensembles covering a wide variety of musical styles.<br>
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    CHAMBER SINGERS: This is a large mixed ensemble. The choir performs a wide variety of choral styles. Audition is required.<br>
    <br>
    <font color="#ff0000">VOX FEMINA: This is a small select womenís vocal ensemble. The choir performs a wide variety of choral styles. Audition is required. (Removed from schedule)<br>
    <br>
    RICHMEN: This is a small select menís vocal ensemble. The choir performs a wide variety of choral styles. Audition is required.&amp;nbsp; (Removed from schedule)<br>
    </font><br>
    JAZZ SINGERS: This ensemble provides students with the opportunity to study and perform jazz style choral literature. Audition is required.<br>
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    <font color="#ff0000">VOICE CLASS I: This course is for non-voice majors. It presents the principles of breathing, voice production, tone control, enunciation, and phrasing. (Class canceled)</font><br>
    <br>
    <font color="#ff0000">CHORUS: OPERA WORKSHOP Students learn and perform various opera scenes from a variety of time periods and styles. Audition is required. (Removed from schedule)</font>
    Richland is now down to 13 ensembles and many of those only made because once again instead of putting students in the 1 ensemble a semester (for a total of 4 that are transferable,) Logozzo is loading students into multiple ensembles.<br>
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    <a href="https://www.richlandcollege.edu/cd/credit/music/rlc/categories/pages/recording-arts-music-tech.aspx" target="_blank">https://www.richlandcollege.edu/cd/credit/music/rlc/categories/pages/recording-arts-music-tech.aspx</a><br>
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    <a href="https://www.richlandcollege.edu/cd/credit/music/rlc/categories/pages/recording-arts-music-tech.aspx" target="_blank">https://www.richlandcollege.edu/cd/credit/music/rlc/categories/pages/recording-arts-music-tech.aspx</a><br>
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    Zero of said classes are offered:<br>
    <a href="https://realscam.com/f16/dcccd-richland-college-music-advising-derrick-logozzo-melissa-logan-out-state-tuition-nightmare-5481-post127528/#post127528" target="_blank">https://realscam.com/f16/dcccd-richland-college-music-advising-derrick-logozzo-melissa-logan-out-state-tuition-nightmare-5481-post127528/#post127528</a><br>
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    Students have been lured in with promises of this audio tech coursework that simply doesn't exist at Richland.<br>
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    f. Student retention policies must be:(1) Appropriate to the purposes of the institutionís curricular programs;(2) Clearly defined;(3) Published for students and faculty; and(4) Applied with rigor and fairness.
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    Anyone who is breathing will be kept in the program. I have been blessed to get some very sharp students to go to the Career Services and/or the Transfer Center and see them follow their dreams into coursework that will get them into real careers and good paying jobs despite Logan and Logozzo pushing students to stay in the program.<br>
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    g. The institution shall inform a student promptly if it is determined that he or she is not acceptable as a candidate for a degree, certificate, or diploma.
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    Students can continually skip, put in little practice time, earn failing grades, be disrespectful to faculty, miss performances, skip juries or more and get very high marks and be invited right back into ensembles, lessons and music classes. The fact that they will not be able to make a living in music and/or are not going to be able to meet the criteria to transfer and do well is totally ignored as any student that can fill a chair will be encouraged to hang on and on. As one staff member noted, the music students almost never seem to leave.<br>
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    h. The institution shall maintain accurate, up-to-date records of each studentís educational progress, including courses taken, grades, repertory studied, performances associated with degree or program requirements, and the results of other appropriate evaluations.
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    The records are ignored. Logozzo and Logan routinely put students into dozens of hours that will not transfer, but will place them in danger of paying out of state tuition and exhausting their financial aid. Students can't progress when they are overloaded with extra ensembles and lessons that aren't transferable. Degree plans are ignored as the goal seems to be to keep students in the program as long as possible.<br>
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    i. Institutional members shall maintain documents pertinent to the awarding of graduate degrees,including theses, dissertations, compositions, recital programs, and audio recordings.j. Advising must address program content, program completion requirements, potential careers or future studies, and music-specific student services consistent with the natures and purposes of music degrees and programs being offered. Institutions must provide students with written documents and advising that describe all requirements and the purposes of their programs.
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    An Associate's Degree in Music is only 60 hours, yet few ever get the degree though they have far exceeded that number of hours. Logozzo is said to still be telling students not to worry about out of state tuition. Students have not been following Richland's degree plan or Guided Pathway as the music advisors have just been loading them in as many classes as possible as the records in this humble thread clearly show. The music department is an unorganized mess with two people in charge that are doing incredible harm to the vast majority of trusting students which again is obvious from the records shared right here.<br>
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    2. Recommendations<br>
    a. Students with specific career goals should be engaged in a continuous advisement program related to their area of specialization.<br>
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    b. Advisement should reflect concern for the studentís goals and should provide assistance with the selection of courses that serve as appropriate preparation for advanced study.<br>
    c. Students should have access to information concerning specialization at the graduate level and available career options in music.
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    This humble thread shows that little of that is happening.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br&gt;
    I. Published Materials and Websites<br>
    1. Standards<br>
    a. Published materials concerning the institution and the music unit shall be clear, accurate, and readily available.b. A catalog or similar document(s) shall be published at least biennially and shall cover:(1) Purposes.(2) Size and scope.NASM Handbook 2018-19 72II.I.(3) Curricula.(4) Faculty.(5) Administrators and trustees.(6) Locale.(7) Facilities.(8) Costs and refund policies.(9) Rules and regulations for conduct.(10) All quantitative, qualitative, and time requirements for admission, retention, and completion of programs and degrees and other credentials.(11) Descriptions for each course offered.(12) Academic calendar.(13) Grievance and appeals procedures.(14) Accreditation status with NASM and other appropriate accrediting agencies. c. Basic institutional policies for defining a credit hour must be published and readily available.
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    Really. I guess Richland didn't tell NASM that their students are on the 25 year plan......sigh.......<br>
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    d. The institution shall have transfer of credit policies that (1) are publicly disclosed, and (2) include a statement of the criteria established by the institution regarding the transfer of credit earned at another institution of higher education.
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    The music advisors routinely put students in pre-college non transferable theory, masterclasses that are turned into non transferable credit classes, numerous extra lessons and ensembles that are not on degree plans, extra music lit and composition classes and more that are not on any degree plan and not transferable.The policy is to fill chairs and brag about how big and wonderful the department is. I am demanding real change to a small focused department that deals with students and paying parents honestly and gets students fully prepared to transfer in two years with only the classes on their transcripts that are in fact transferable!
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    Re: DCCCD Richland College Music Advising Derrick Logozzo / Melissa Logan Out of State Tuition Nightmare

    Typical Richland College Music / Choir Student:
    my piano lesson teacher really be bullying me at 10 am lmao

    my mental health is a lost cause ima just sit back and let my brain rot from the inside out

    i wanna drop my piano lessons so bad so bad

    realizing that i wanna change my major to something that doesnít require performing or talent but thatíd basically mean starting school all over again so iím just stuck now hahahahaha
    Melissa Logan has been advising this typical student. The advising is far beyond incompetent and clearly rises to the level of malfeasance. Pretty much everyone who walks through the doors ends up being turned into a music major to fill chairs in the department. The chances of making money from performing are so slim even for the immensely talented, highly motivated and hard working, so only a carefully chosen few should be placed in the music department for that degree path. Completing a music education degree is also extraordinarily demanding and requires a student with a strong music background and enormous dedication. Who would want this student to end up teaching in a public school classroom in the future?

    Logan is clearly not discussing realistic career opportunities with her students. If she did, the vast majority would take only 1 choir for enjoyment while they pursued a viable major that would lead to a paying job that would put food on the table. Richland is wasting taxpayer money and harming these students who are not getting proper advising. The students are racking up hours toward out of state tuition and exhausting hours that are eligible for financial aid. The students should first go to Career Services and the Transfer Center. If they are still determined to major in music, the music advisors should carefully screen them and only let in candidates that have the ability and work ethic to succeed.

    The National Association of Schools of Music requires that a real accredited music school only admit students to the program that and I quote "as a matter of sound educational practice, institutions recruit and admit students only to programs or curricula for which they show aptitudes and prospects for success." 4-6 hours of practice on one's principal instrument per day is the standard. Piano proficiency requires at least and hour a day or more for instrumental students and vocal majors need to be at accompanist level of playing which means several hours a day of piano for most. Richland does not have the facilities for students to practice even a fraction of that and as everyone and their dog is a major the department is a total zoo.

    Attendance is absolutely abysmal in the music classes. Students are still being way overloaded with music classes that will not transfer. Students are still not taking core classes as the degrees require. Many students being put into the program that are not serious musicians. Even after years of failing music classes and goofing around up there, Logan and Logozzo keep putting such students in music hours far beyond what will transfer or count toward any degree in order to fill chairs. "The institution shall inform a student promptly if it is determined that he or she is not acceptable as a candidate for a degree, certificate, or diploma," says NASM. I wonder what NASM would think about a choir section leader in their 6th year there with a string of failed classes and that repeated skips or comes in late for classes when they should have finished and transferred years ago? Of course those section leaders doing counting and solfege for the choir selections in the halls and all over the building is quite junior high. Music majors and competent music students pursuing other majors that participate in ensembles should practice and come to choir with the music properly prepared.

    The Richland College Music Department needs to be carefully evaluated and restructured!

    Richland College's Music Department

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    The Richland College Music Department is in total crisis. The pictures show the state of the practice room pianos. Of those pianos in the 11 rooms that are supposed to be practice rooms (but are in reality monopolized by adjuncts to teach lessons,) most of those pianos are in horrific condition. Many are missing key covers and most are out of tune and/or making abnormal and very bothersome mechanical noises. The two piano studio pianos are also in very poor repair and need to be rebuilt. The hundreds of students in the Richland Music Department are in a program that is for all practical purposes defunct and a total waste of tax dollars. How can the claimed 500 enrollments all practice in the 11 rooms that are only available for limited hours and on pianos in this dreadful condition?





    Richland College funds are being wasted on numerous things that are not in any way necessary to get students prepared for music careers and ready to transfer to complete their degrees. The Carnival of Steel related ensemble is just another ensemble that only a percussion major can transfer. With only 4 ensemble credits taken at the Freshman and Sophomore level that can be transferred and many other ensembles needing to be taken in the rotation for a percussion major, there are almost no students that should be enrolled in that group. Many students are being placed in that group that is just more among numerous hours that won't transfer and will put them in out of state tuition. Why are students not being properly prepared to transfer? Why are the facilities and equipment such as practice rooms and pianos and so much more not being funded adequately when thousands are wasted on Carnival of Steel and other non-essential nonsense?
    A premiere DFW world music event, the 2020 Richland College Carnival of Steel Festival, is on Saturday, April 18 at Richland College in Dallas, Texas in its 17th Year!

    This year, the COS Festival will feature steel bands, percussion groups, jazz bands, and vocal jazz groups from around the U.S. in a free concert performing all styles of music from Caribbean and Latin to Classical and Rock. The Festival Steel Drum Guest Artist in a performance demo clinic and evening concert will be world-renowned steel drum artist, Jeff Narell. Also appearing will be Steel Drum Artist, Festival Tuner, and Massed Band Leader, Shelly Irvine, as well as Jazz Trumpeter, Mike Steinel, and Vibraphonist, Ed Smith. Performers receive performance time, comments, recordings, and concert tickets.

    Performances will be outdoors in the breezeway on the east side of campus adjacent to Fannin Performance Hall
    I demand that the DCCCD Board appoint independent counsel to make a formal inquiry into the advising, spending and administration for the Richland Music Department that is clearly in crisis!

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    A student in the Combo that played today in the Richland cafeteria, a school-sponsored and advertised event, that required the attendance and participation of all Jazz Combo Class members was barred from playing in the concert by Melissa Logan. Melissa Logan is the totally incompetent advisor that has been putting music majors in her Fundamentals of Music Theory class that is not a college level class, not on any degree plan, will not transfer, but does count put students closer to having to pay out of state tuition and exhausting their financial aid eligibility. That student was not allowed to set-up or sound check and missed playing half of the performance because Logan would not allow them to leave her class to be where they were required to be. Playing performances is required of a music major.

    Logan had half of her choirs removed from the schedule this fall. The remaining choirs need to be moved to Eastfield and the program at Richland carefully evaluated and restructured. For now all the other professors on campus should bar her choir students from performing during their class time or going to contest and field trips with her. Turnabout is fair play. Logan is totally out of line and should be removed from her position.

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    19 hours in 11 classes. A Freshman should be taking only 1 ensemble and 1 lesson. I am in an ensemble with this student. We have rarely seen them in class this semester. This student skipped our first performance entirely and then promised to come back to class but never materialized. They just flounced up on stage for our final 3 concerts this week after not having rehearsed with us for weeks. I do not blame the student. Derrick Logozzo, the Music Department Head is still putting students into numerous classes that are far beyond what is on the degree plan. This student should be in 1 ensemble and 1 private lesson for only 4 semesters as that is all that will transfer, but as usual the students are being used to fill chairs.

    No one could manage all these classes and lessons. How can they practice 3-4 hours a day on each of the 2 instruments, practice piano for a minimum of an hour a day and prepare all the music for 3 very demanding ensembles, handle the challenging Music Theory work plus handle core classes and likely employment as well? Yet another student being set up to fail by the Music Advisor from Purgatory. Any hours that are not on the degree plan at a 4 year university in Texas will be hours that will land a student in out of state tuition (30 over the written degree plan) and may cause them to exhaust their eligibility for financial aid. This horrific advising must be stopped by removing the errant advisors that are still doing this to trusting, innocent students.

    Being a member of these groups where the attendance is abysmal is miserable. It is totally disrespectful to the professor and other students to skip class. This college is supposed to serve transfer capable students and prepare them to successfully finish a degree at a 4 year university as well as provide music opportunities to community members. No one is being served at Richland at this juncture. No real school tolerates students missing class without very good cause. Richland's Music Department is a total disaster. What was once the feeder school to UNT is now nothing but a disorganized mess. This department should never have been accredited and will not be able to keep its accreditation with this ongoing advising fiasco, students frequently cutting class and students who don't attend and do the work being passed to keep the chairs full. In music classes attendance is everything period. The DCCCD board needs to step in and appoint special counsel to get to the bottom of this and get this department leadership that will follow degree plans and do the right things for the students and taxpayers.

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