Thread: Caldwell and Craddock's Greatest Hits

My favorite line was:

we have to all understand the magnitude of having each person resented in this first......

And this is an "expert" in PR?

If they think a lot of donors resent them now, just wait a few weeks.

Also note a subtle shift of goal. Now the goal is merely to unfreeze the eWallets of the affiliates, not to restart Zeek.

Seems Kettner and Craddock have managed to piss off Troy Dooly, and Troy's telling everybody how pissed off he is (but Zeek's still not a Ponzi)

I just listened to one of the conference calls from ZTeamBiz ...

Robert Craddock was asked by Kevin Grimes to contact Greg Caldwell around 90 days earlier (May 2012 or so). His field of expertise is to take down negative information from the internet, like K.Chang's hubpage.

The conference call had 3 people from "the core network" present = Todd, Joe and Tony.

The primary function of the money collecting seems to be legal defence rather than scam -- legal defence against clawbacks (the stuff about restart of Zeek received less attention than the clawbacks during the call). Putting up a legal defence makes much more sense than the theory of scam, because of the much higher amount involved in a potential clawback (compared to a scam).

Greg Caldwell was helping the "core network" ("the chosen twelve") at the time when the call was made (August 22. - 28. as a timeframe). "Helping" rather than "working for" to be specific.

Stealing other people's money for their own defense, and alluding that you are helping those you are stealing the money from that you are somehow helping them is the scam.

Originally Posted by Whip

Stealing other people's money for their own defense, and alluding that you are helping those you are stealing the money from that you are somehow helping them is the scam.

Dunno 'bout your neighborhood, but where I come from, they don't call it "alluding", they call it lying...!

Originally Posted by laidback

Dunno 'bout your neighborhood, but where I come from, they don't call it "alluding", they call it lying...!

I stand corrected.

Looks like Craddock sent a "takedown" letter to Ted Nuyten / Businessforhome.org's ISP... Ted's pissed off now.

Mr. Chang:

Are you talking out of your ass again regarding Mr. Isaacs and Craddock? What does Isaacs and his becoming famous after exposing the FHTM pyramid scheme in 2010 have to do with Zeek Rewards or Zeekler? There is no affiliation between these parties. Why do you insinuate there is?

Any idiot can write a derogatory comment that is defamation and none of them have any truth or validity.

Please do some serious research before spouting your mouth about what you have zero knowledge!!

Originally Posted by kschang

M_Norway on BehindMLM speculated that Caldwell's White Hat solutions was brought in by Burks to shut down the company but milking it as long as they can through reputation management (i.e. silence the critics through any means possible) and speculated they may have done this before.

Which coincides with my idea that we need to investigate Joe Isaacs / FHTM, and here's a couple results:

An entry on WhoScammedYou written by somebody in Palm Harbor FL (isn't that where Craddock lives?)

Joeseph Isaacs : Palm Harbor, Florida : WhoScammedYou
Ripoff Report | Fortune Social | Complaint Review: 585990
(note the RR report is not about Isaacs's cheating, but about how FHTM fired him)

Lawsuit by FHTM against Joe Isaac's company for "trademark infringement" (same tactic!)

https://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/...et-al/summary/

Why did Joe Isaacs got this treatment: he spoke to investigative reporters:

http://www.whas11.com/on-tv/I-Team-I...-94266814.html

Joe Isaacs countersues FHTM, read the comments on the dirt dug up in the comments

Whistleblower fights back after frivolous suit by FHTM for exposing their ILLEGAL Pyramid Scheme - Scamraiders

Seems like same sort of smear campaign Craddock launched, except he can't find any dirt on me.

Originally Posted by fhtmclassaction

.,...What does Isaacs and his becoming famous after exposing the FHTM pyramid scheme in 2010 .,...

fhtmclassaction, a few observations:

• Mr. Isaacs is very fond of posting about himself in third person, it's somewhat comical.
• Mr. Isaacs is nearly delusional in his own self importance. Yes, after FHTM opted not to purchase his Fortunesocial website for 2.5 mil Mr. Isaacs got into a pissing match with them and started saying what was obvious to others even before Joe joined FHTM, that FHTM was a scam.
• FHTM's lawsuits against Mr. Isaacs were not totally without merit. Wesarra, an attorney and a friend of this site is as hard footing a skeptic as you can find when it comes to MLM scams and is happy to embrace any factual criticism as can be presented over at the Q. Yet when fhtmclassaction began posting over there (under more than one name) Wes was immediately, prudently and thoroughly skeptical of him (beginning about 14 posts into this thread from over there).

fhtmclassaction, why do you believe that Joseph Isaacs is "famous" for calling FHTM a pyramid scheme? Surely you aren't pretending that Joe was the only one to do so. Do you honestly believe that the current legal action against FHTM is substantially, significantly or even partly the result of Mr. Isaacs efforts? If so, why? Do you dismiss the efforts of all the various states AG's in investigating claims against FHTM and building a body of evidence against the company based on the complaints of hundreds and thousands of other disaffected FHTM affiliates in favor of Joe's rather troll like afflictions with this scam? If so, why?

Joe, I've banned a few hundred spammers from this site but I'm pretty sure the number of non-spammers I've dropped hammer on is less than four. I want to give you you're fair say here but there are limits to what we'll put up with. You already have more than one posting account from the same IP and neither of them will admit to being you. Be on your best behavior when you come here because if none of these accounts are really you then I can't think of any reason why you'd be offended if they were no longer able to post.