Thread: Bella Homes / George Dranichak / Scam.com / Sviat / Vladimir Sviatoslavich

Originally Posted by laidback

Isn't it marvelous how the lies he told back then come back to bite him for the lies he's telling now...?

Thank you Littleroundman and Laidback for your comments. At first when I read what was sent to me by the RFP Director I took it the same way you are taking it - however - after additional thought I realized that what this high up (and influential) Director of RFP was most likely saying was: =Bella Homes was not a part of our corporation ownership-wise and we did not participate in the development of their products and services nor did RFP have any say on how their company was being run....i.e. <=all we did was resell their product - so don't blame us that what they were doing was fraudulent we were just an unknowing (unaware?? innocent victim????) third party reseller...................>. Then when I got the "threat" that I was going to be silenced by their attorneys for my "bashing of RFP" - I quickly decided to jump onto this forum and share......I don't recall "bashing" RFP...just telling the facts.....Hmmmmmm?

I believe several of you commented on the possible "risks" of being an active reseller of Bella earlier on in this thread....kinda sucks when the **** hits the fan with Bella when RFP boasted as being the biggest baddest reseller for them......(Ie. it isn't much fun now is it Robert Valentin???)

By the way - to set the record straight, the Director who sent this email to me was not Robert Valentin - this person is much "higher" in the corporate ladder which makes it all the more telling to me. It appears to me this may be the current "corporate" stance in defense of their active reselling work for Bella.

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

All the kudos go to the many that contributed to this thread. This one was such an obvious scam. Law enforcement action so rarely happens I consider a wonderful bonus, but either way what we post can and does help keep folks from being victimized and that is quite a victory in and of itself. Law enforcement is way unstaffed and underfunded, so everyone that has the courage to speak out is doing a wonderful service. The top folks pushing this should be getting chewed. Mortage, banking, legal and other experts should have been checking this out thoroughly before pimping it so aggressively. I hope those dear lads at RFP are enjoying that delicious humble pie! You, Linda, are one of my heroes for going the extra mile to expose this and bring them to justice.


And, is anyone surprised that pimp and porn spammer George Dranichak, masquerading as Russian Prince Vladimir Sviatloslavich, is still advertising this trash?????

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Ooops sent my last post before I saw your post Soapboxmom....I'd like to add a bit more ....YOU spent a HUGE amount of time providing all of the links that tied the knot for those of us trying to put the pieces of "proof" together. All of the background on the owners, the boilerplate lawsuits, the jumble of mess that kept coming up. You were our sleuth. YOU provided a place that I sent literally 40++ folks to who PM'd me on Trustlink who were looking for more background info on Bella on why NOT to sign up. Remember when it was almost impossible to find anything on the net except resellers' garbage? And then there was that one thread on Scam.com that I was so happy to find...and then POOF...we were hitting way too close to Mr. Dranichak's pocket book and we got erased. And then you and this thread popped up. Thank you again as this forum helped me/us to feel like a "team" and not a scared rogue person attempting to individually stand up to wrong.

You are right - legal action is rare - and it just shows how NASTY this one was that they were able to jump in and shut them down. Going full circle - had you not provided all of the meat of the proof - I wouldn't have actively prodded the ex-Bella client who contacted me many months ago that they SHOULD contact their attorney general. They did - and were told by the US Attorney's office who took their testimony a couple months ago that they were instrumental in helping to lock down the Gov'ts case.....and shut down Bella. I received the wife's email early Friday morning on "our" victory and she ended the note by saying JUSTICE PREVAILED HERE!!! :) So good for them as well - it was a total TEAM effort - but I will come back to you Soapboxmom - YOU have made a HUGE difference in this country by your tireless work on this particular topic and I for one KNOW that you personally had a big indirect part in shutting Bella down. And I really want that not to go unnoticed!!!!! Thank you from your grateful fan, Linda.

It is just fortunate that there was enough information for authorities to act as quickly as they did. This just as easily could have ran much longer and harmed many more people. Luckily they attempted to expand too fast and move into states where they clearly did not understand the law. It still amazes me how much the people that push these sort of things, knowingly or not, right up to the very end no matter what evidence is/was presented. With that in mind, it is also startling how fast the MLM pushers have taken down the Bella links and program details from their sites like it never existed.

On a similar note, of all the people that attacked me on scam.com, saying I didn't know what I was talking about (despite working in the capital markets for years as well as having firsthand knowledge of some of these state specific and federal laws) only one person came back and PM'd with an apology. Everyone else seems have disappeared into the wind and now I see their e-mails and ID's popping up elsewhere for the next big thing.

With that is mind, is there any way to go after these serial MLM'ers directly? As I was gathering research for the postings on the other site, I noticed quite a bit of them had associations with other failed MLM's that were clearly scams, (and I include the Trump BS in that as well). Despite pushing all these programs, taking money, defending everyone like it was the Holy Grail of MLM's and that this one is "different", only to see it fail, people lose their money, potential opportunity, and for the people on the ground floor, potentially their family, friends, business associates, et al; these pushers move on without any type of consequence to the next "opportunity".

Out of all these failed scams, has there every been an attempt to create a master list at some level and prevent them from pushing something new? I know you cannot stop someone from making a living, but can you not take the approach most of these civil injunctions do and prove public harm?

You guys have way more experience doing this than I, so I will leave it to you to reply. It's too bad people had to be scammed on top of losing their homes to foreclosure, but I'm certainly happy Bella Homes, LLC and it's operators have been shut down. Hopefully this thread and the associated exposure will go along way in helping prevent the next Bella from popping up.

MM

Originally Posted by Magic_Muffin

It is just fortunate that there was enough information for authorities to act as quickly as they did. This just as easily could have ran much longer and harmed many more people. Luckily they attempted to expand too fast and move into states where they clearly did not understand the law. It still amazes me how much the people that push these sort of things, knowingly or not, right up to the very end no matter what evidence is/was presented. With that in mind, it is also startling how fast the MLM pushers have taken down the Bella links and program details from their sites like it never existed.

On a similar note, of all the people that attacked me on scam.com, saying I didn't know what I was talking about (despite working in the capital markets for years as well as having firsthand knowledge of some of these state specific and federal laws) only one person came back and PM'd with an apology. Everyone else seems have disappeared into the wind and now I see their e-mails and ID's popping up elsewhere for the next big thing.

With that is mind, is there any way to go after these serial MLM'ers directly? As I was gathering research for the postings on the other site, I noticed quite a bit of them had associations with other failed MLM's that were clearly scams, (and I include the Trump BS in that as well). Despite pushing all these programs, taking money, defending everyone like it was the Holy Grail of MLM's and that this one is "different", only to see it fail, people lose their money, potential opportunity, and for the people on the ground floor, potentially their family, friends, business associates, et al; these pushers move on without any type of consequence to the next "opportunity".

Out of all these failed scams, has there every been an attempt to create a master list at some level and prevent them from pushing something new? I know you cannot stop someone from making a living, but can you not take the approach most of these civil injunctions do and prove public harm?

You guys have way more experience doing this than I, so I will leave it to you to reply. It's too bad people had to be scammed on top of losing their homes to foreclosure, but I'm certainly happy Bella Homes, LLC and it's operators have been shut down. Hopefully this thread and the associated exposure will go along way in helping prevent the next Bella from popping up.

MM

Dear Magic Muffin, you have now discovered the scourge that is MLM:

Wash, rinse and repeat......

Jump and dump........

The best chance for the sleazy MLM heavy hitters to be held accountable is for the duped downline members to file suit. The authorities occasionally round up the top promoters and worst offenders, but law enforcement is way too understaffed and underfunded to close them all down. Thankfully, folks like you have the courage to take them on and stand your ground. MLM heavy hitters are quick to declare anyone with the sense to question their latest and greatest deal as stupid, dream stealers and worse.

The best way to stop the MLM scoundrels is threads like these that scare off potential marks. RS also serves as an archive of all the many MLMs these top people have pimped. What we have posted is not going anywhere!!!

Soapboxmom

The fun for the fraudsters at Bella may just be beginning. The first Bella clients' lawsuit is in progress. How wonderful this couple had the courage to come forward and seek justice! I would love to see this go class action! Check out the formidable list of attorneys. Thanks to my faithful birdy for sending this my way!!!

Mad Homeowners vs. Bella.pdf

More exposure from another great site, from Mortgage Fraud Blog........

Mortgage Fraud Blog - Nationwide Foreclosure Rescue Company Shut Down

Originally Posted by scamdotcom

Delete all Re: Bella Homes / George Dranichak / Scam.com / Sviat / Vladimir Sviatoslavich ...all posts.

Or expect lawsuits and much headaches.

I am new owner, I can offer an alliance or hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation and sleepless nights.
I am offering a truce.

The past is the past, I dont know, don't care, I dont wanna know.
You are messing with my family and TRUST me that's not good.

There is NOTHING bad on scam.com about you, end this now.
You have George after you, you don't want me too.

Originally Posted by scamdotcom

They are an advertiser trying to do business. We have spoken with them on the phone and they are reasonable guys. Let me screen every single advertisier you have on your site.
Give me a BREAK! George was a consultant on the board til January, he is no longer with scam.com, this domain has been sold over 6 times so get over the past and let me try to provide for my family. Your jealousy/anger/whatever is ******* pathetic. You also have NO IDEA who you are ******* with. Delete all these posts or I ******* swear I will own your website. I know you have lawsuits coming from George too, 100% I swear on my mother's life. Your information is completely false, trust my heads up guys. Delete all this **** now.

First of all I have no idea who you are. Second, I don't respond to threats. Third, I don't cater to scammers. Fourth, we do not have any advertisements here, so who in the heck were you planning to screen? Have you read this thread? Bella has been shut down. There was a very good thread on Scam.com about that that was removed in order to advertise for that obvious scam. A birdy sent it to me and it is archived here. Bella did not have any reasonable guys in it. They are bunch of well dressed thugs that were defrauding desperate homeowners.

If you are a new owner then congratulations. There are still many threads about me and this site there and I don't expect that will change. There are threads on other forums such as Quatloos and JREF that discuss Scam.com and Mr. Dranichak as well. They don't remove threads without good cause either. If you in fact purchased Scam.com you did so with all this controversy already swirling around that dump of a site. You should have checked it out carefully and determined if you were willing to own such a site. How much more bad publicity do you want to generate? Are you really crazy enough to complain because you got caught advertising this Bella mortgage scam that was deemed fraudulent and shut down?

When you have calmed down you can send me a message and quote exactly any false information you find in a thread on here with documentation to refute it and I will retract, apologize and /or remove it as prudent. I make that offer to any party that complains. Otherwise we will carry on here with exposing scams, frauds and having pleasant exchanges.

Soapboxmom

Smooth talkin' li'l fella, ain't he ???

Maybe what he says is true.

Maybe the "new" management at his forum will stop removing threads the moment they're threatened by fraudsters.

You know, threads warning people about Bella Homes, Charles Gregoire De Rothschild, the kind of thread which seem to mysteriously disappear with monotonous regularity on his forum.

Maybe, just maybe, Sviat IS serious about returning Scam.com to its' former preeminent position of warning 'net users of fraud and fraudsters.

Maybe he IS serious.







WHOOPS, then again, maybe not.

Originally Posted by Sviat/scamdotcom

They are an advertiser trying to do business. We have spoken with them on the phone and they are reasonable guys.

That would be a relevant comment for someone who:

1) Wasn't running a website with the purpose of exposing fraud and fraudsters.
2) Hadn't removed threads containing warnings from members of said forum about said fraud and fraudsters.
3) If said fraudsters were not the subject of legal action:

Colorado Attorney General John Suthers and U.S. Attorney John Walsh announced today that they have filed a joint lawsuit against Georgia-based Bella Homes and its principals on suspicion that they ran a nationwide foreclosure-rescue scam between March 2010 and this February.

4) If Bella Homes hadn't admitted its' guilt in open court:



So, my little loudmouthed cyber bullying friend, slither back under your rock and concentrate on your own behaviour.

Little bit of a drinking problem, have we ??

P.S. Oh, and for chrissakes' stop making threats in public places, will you ??

Geez, at least try and be a LITTLE bit smart.

Well, in fairness to Sviat Bella Home's being proactive in a court of law by acknowledging the role they played in defrauding homeowners clearly shows that they are the sort of "reasonable guys" which scam-dot-com is willing to delete negative threads for and accept advertising revenues from. I mean it's all about the money and scam-dot-com never stopped displaying Bella Homes advertisements until the court made sure that Bella was unable to pay Svait to continue adverting for them so he was being reasonable too. I'd wonder if now that these scammers can no longer pay Svait, he might reinstate some of the threads critical of Bella Homes which once had been on his anti-scam forum. But I know better than to ask that and so should you.

Vladigeorge hard deletes everything. Lucky for him law enforcement hasn't come calling with subpoenas for that stuff. Isn't is wonderful that his deletions get archived and posted here!

Bella's reasonable guys knew they were in deep doodoo and have already made an agreement and accepted a permanent injunction in the case filed the United States and State of Colorado.

Stipulated Consent Judgment and Permanent Injunction.pdf

My great appreciation to my birdy who provided us this enlightening document!

It appears the negative publicity generated by the Colorado action has had a far wider effect than just in Colorado:

View the Bellahomes LLC website today:



Meanwhile, ever alert Bella Homes victims are now using Bella Homes own Facebook page to warn people of the activities of the fraudsters behind Bella Homes LLC:

Bella Homes and many others went out and filed frivolous lawsuits based on the "show me the note" argument. That tactic has been royally shot down. Attorney William Butler has been sanctioned to the tune of $50,000.00 for repeatedly making this totally frivolous claim in numerous lawsuits. The judge pointed out that Butler has made a cottage industry out of filing these ridiculous claims. He has filed almost 30 such suits and made a habit of judge shopping and using delay tactics. He drops and refiles cases with alarming speed. "A very large monetary sanction is necessary to deprive Butler of the incentive to continue pursuing this illegitimate business model," according to the judge. The defendant's attorney fees are also awarded.

That should discourage the legions of other attorneys / clowns that get this not so bright idea!

butler_sanctions.pdf

Thanks again to my faithful birdy!

Soapboxmom