Thread: universal life church scam?

There is no record of a Kelvin Ator having been ordained by the real Universal Life Church (the one shown in the photo above). If it had been slipped past those who review the ordination applications, it would have been because they accepted in good faith that the person was submitting their genunine name, and you couldn't blame them for that. There are funnier names. Possibly you went to one of the bogus knock-off Web sites with your fraudulent application?

It is telling that you keep repeating the charge, yet you have yet to provide any evidence of a scam, nor to refute any of the information I have supplied for you. I guess you consider that if you repeat a lie often enough it will become the truth?

If you wish an honest debate, complete with facts and logic, I would consider this worthy of discussion. However since you only engage in schoolyard taunts and refuse to provide any support or documentation, I think your grandfather's counsel is wise and appropriate.

Bottom line is that if you don't like the church, worship elsewhere, or not at all. If someone doesn't believe that Jesus turned water into wine, walked on water, and raised the dead, will you be content for them to call your church a scam for saying so?

Religious freedom is the point here. If you don't believe that people have a right to worship in a way that you consider a joke, there is nothing left to discuss. That conversation has nothing to do with the claim you made here that the church is a scam.

Originally Posted by truthteller

There is no record of a Kelvin Ator having been ordained by the real Universal Life Church (the one shown in the photo above). If it had been slipped past those who review the ordination applications, it would have been because they accepted in good faith that the person was submitting their genunine name, To be more correct, that should read "it COULD have been any one of a squillion reasons, including the fact no one really checks and you couldn't blame them for that. Funny, I thought we just did There are funnier names. were we discussing funny names ?? Possibly you went to one of the bogus knock-off Web sites with your fraudulent application? And possibly we didn't

It is telling that you keep repeating the charge, yet you have yet to provide any evidence of a scam, nor to refute any of the information I have supplied for you. I guess you consider that if you repeat a lie often enough it will become the truth? You're right, you're GUESSING

If you wish an honest debate, funny, I must have missed the memo saying that's what we are wishing for complete with facts and logic, I would consider this worthy of discussion. What YOU consider is none of our business However since you only engage in schoolyard taunts Mate, I was never this conscious of nonsensical pseudo religions at school and refuse to provide any support or documentation, support and documentation are what courts require, this is the court of public opinion I think your grandfather's counsel is wise and appropriate.

Bottom line is that if you don't like the church, worship elsewhere, or not at all. This is not about where, or, indeed whether people worship If someone doesn't believe that Jesus turned water into wine, walked on water, and raised the dead, will you be content for them to call your church a scam for saying so? Strawman

Religious freedom is the point here. If you don't believe that people have a right to worship in a way that you consider a joke, there is nothing left to discuss. We're not discussing. We're using OUR freedom to ridicule and scorn what is, in OUR opinion is an absolute nonsense (poorly) disguised as a religious institution That conversation has nothing to do with the claim you made here that the church is a scam.

Ain't the internet grand ??

People can stand on their head in the corner of the room whistling the theme from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, call it a religious ceremony, baptize refrigerators and form a church, while others can give point out the absurdity of such behaviour all from the comfort of their chair.

Mate, if you want to call what your institution does "religious freedom", go right ahead.

Just don't expect to be able to do so free of ridicule when said institution engages in such nonsensical activities as are being carried out in the name of the Universal Life Church.

Just think of scorn, ridicule and derision being natures' way of preventing the spread of serpent handling worshipers into the mainstream of religion.