Thread: Flat universe and the big bang theory

On another forum I had a healthy debate with a serial science poster about the big bang and the intial expansion required at 4 times the speed of light etc..
We had debated black/dark matter and energy and the best explanation the science zealot could give is we observe its effects...not actuallly true or proven we do observe effects which cannot be explained without the addition of magic super glue to hold things in place for the current theory and it has become known as dark matter and dark energy...big difference. His rationale was we observed stars long before we could prove what they were...was he referring to those holes in the blanket where light shone? Timing is crucial and truth is realitive to the time it is stated was my only point.
Recently I have been reading the statistical analysis on the probability of the universe being the current flat shape ...it is 10 to the power of 100 more likely to happen without inflation ( another key concept that is observed in our universe) than with it.
Then their is good inflation v bad inflation.....bad inflation where it is more 10 to the power of 15 times more condusive to produce environments that would sustain life.
Good inflation9 the one the current theory uses) is a remote and statistical rareity and is needed to produce a flat shape that we currently live within.

So all this does not make the theory wrong, but it does make it such a fluke that IT BEGGARS BELIEF.

Now combine this with outline of how the big bang began (or at least or current theory)( ps. this next post was deleted by the science mod from another forum as it "read like a comic").

no one "understands" super force... it is an imaginary combination of the four known forces before the universe supposedly expanded at speeds four times the speed of light for a while..another very strange occurance for a scientist to state..However i digress...

super force was invented because science needed a super force source to break free of the black /white hole in the big bang theory...not because of anything else...let us see... there were only four special brothers...strong nuclear, weak nuclear, gravity and magneto....none of these good forces alone had the power to break free of the evil black hole, which by the way (according to current science and the BB theory) didnt exist... but when they combined they formed..tah dah...super force!
This super Force then overcame its single FRW captor and escaped at a speed 4 times faster than light until they decided to slow down a bit,( for no apparent reason)...then the first ever planets whom stragggled too much were gobbled up by the evil black holes and eaten from inside... or worse were they attacked by the equally evil super huge white holes by using the temporal parts of the spacetime metric after tharwting the swartzchild dilemna by continually expanding!( although the universe has been measured as currently slowing down)

Luckily for our intrepid stars the "hawking radiation solution" is expected to eventually render the evil black holes inconsequential by depleting their mass. Our intrepid stars may still avoid the isotropic collapse that spacetime had planned for it. Will the evil oppenheimer plan a stellar collapse to end all our heroic forces hopes as the evil black hole swallow everyhing in their path and pass it to the white hole sigularities for use?... will our star survive the evil whiteholes "string of beads" plan where the evil white hole gang explode separately but in a unexplainable co-ordinated fashion to acheive the GR Exact solution and realising the 'ONE' universe we supposedly seek?..stay tuned for more, although it may take thousands of billons of years before we first see the edge of the evil whiteholes cunning identity...
Will they again control our four heroic forces fates or will our heros again form to become TAH DAH ....SUPER FORCE!

I actually believe BB is our best guess yet, but let's be realistic it is a best fit...as such it's a theory full of holes ( pun intended)