Thread: Investing with an Eye on Fraud Prevention

Originally Posted by Fendaril

What was the first thing that convinced you kiyosaki was a charlatan.

I know you're asking Jack the question, but I came to the conclusion long before he became an author.

I first encountered Kiyosaki when he was the owner of the "Money and You" company mentioned in post #19 in this thread.

"Money and You" subsequently withdrew from Australia after being exposed on the Australian version of 60 Minutes.

When I met him, Kiyosaki was presenting a "Money and You" addon called "Powerful presentations" in which he proudly described himself as a "shark"

Let's just say very little of the Kiyosaki story is "the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth" and it would consume way too much forum space to describe "Money and You" and its' ancillary programs in detail.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

And after you answer that, please tell me your opinions on Tony Robbins. Do you view him as a charlatan?

Maybe a little more nuanced although if "charlatan" is the only adjective I can choose then yes. He has coached many very successful people though the years, that can't be dismissed. By the same token without going completely down another rabbit hole, that's not the same as taking homeless schizophrenics and turning them into a corner office CEOs with a few affirmations and hand claps. As with Kiyosaki I have some books and tapes from Robbins, no doubt he's one of the best at pumping people up.


Staying on topic, Robbins too became a "money guru" with tactics pulled straight from the pages of Wade Cook.

except for that "big-tooth phony from San Diego," Tony Robbins, who Cook dismisses as a "copycat." (BMB, p. 70)
Foolish Feature, 10/06/97: The Magic and Majesty of Wade B. Cook, by Randy Befumo

Financial seminar guru Wade Cook also sued Robbins for copyright infringement and plagiarism, alleging that Robbins used proprietary terms in his seminars and from Cook's book Wall Street Money Machine. In 1998, a Tacoma, Washington, jury ordered Robbins to pay Cook $650,900 in damages. The order to pay damages was temporarily withdrawn[26] until 2000, when the 9th Circuit Court ruled that the trial judge had misinterpreted the statutes. The verdict and damages were reinstated with a statement that "The Court found that U.S. District Court Judge, Jack Tanner, erred in "finding a conclusion contrary to the jury award" and sent instructions to reinstate the award. Cook's lead attorney said "This is a landmark decision by the 9th Circuit Court because of the high profile players and issues at stake. The Court is telling individuals that, no matter who you are, the protection of copyrightable material will be preserved." Robbins was forced to pay the entire amount
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins



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Robbins like many a man divorced his older wife and traded her for a young model. Which is what it is, and marriages fail, but most people aren't teaching high priced seminars about how couples can live with passion in their marriages.

MOTIVATOR SELF-HELPED HIMSELF TO MY WIFE: EX | New York Post

I've looked for a better link so take this with a grain of salt. Tony Robbins - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia If I recall correctly Tony settled sexual a few sexual harassment suits. As with the divorce I can't speak to the merits of the situations, and filing suits is not unheard of justified or not against powerful people. Still along the lines of the "live with passion" spiel, isn't Tony supposed to be the guy that puts people in a positive state of mind and brings out their best?

Then there is the whole hot coal thingy.

Third Degree Self-Realization: Dozens Injured In Robbins Fire Walking Exercise | JONATHAN TURLEY
Anthony Robbins UPW - very BAD experience