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    Quote Originally Posted by pjlvio View Post
    Occam's Razor Littleroundman Occam's Razor no kidding. Gregg the Phd claimed he never called the Iraq Dinar a scam when in fact he did.

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    Ah, Tommy Styles. How ya doin? I have to admit I've never actually decided whether you're a flat out scammer or just really gullible. You do realize, don't you, that the Dinar RV is as big, if not bigger, scam than GreenZap ever was"

    I was just stating a point. Gregg did call the Iraq Dinar a scam. As far as comparing GDP's do you not have to look at the sanctions the UN and IMF had put on Iraq the past 8 years and also look at what had happened because of the war, of course it is hard to compare the GDP to others. I would also like to know how much the U.S. has really pumped into Iraq. I think Iraq would surpass Saudi and Kuwait if they could get a half way decent political system in place. You have to admit that there is a lot of potential there if the people could put aside their differences and work together.
    As has been pointed out, I did not say the Dinar is a scam, it is the legal currency of a sovereign nation. I did say that the story being told by the pumpers and dealers encouraging you to buy dinar in anticipation of a dramatic increase in it's value is a scam. And it is. And the sad part is the dinaridiots are getting taken six ways from Tuesday. Between the dealers who are overcharging you on not just dinars, but outragous shipping charges, to the guy this thread was originally about who was
    1) charging about twice the already inflated rate for dinar
    2) telling a story about a hedge fund that your possible allocation in would be related to how many overpriced dinar you bought from him
    3) charging a non-refundable $750 fee to reserve a spot in the aforementioned hedge fund (and that was a violation of federal law, both saying there was a fee and again when he actually took it).

    How many people have paid for the DinarVets VIP room, so you can get an e-mail from Adam Montana about an event that is never going to happen, but trust me if it did would be about as big a news story as any since 9/11.
    How many people have paid him for his book, where he gives you very bad advice on how to cash in (as if, but I digress)...hint, the best way to cash in is to go to an FDIC insured bank. There is no "special rate savings" or other hooey, currency exchanges are regulated by FINRA, your rate for service fees is the same anywhere you go, and the rate they cash in at is gonna be the spot price as listed, which of course doesn't apply because the IRD is not listed. The difference there is instead of instant spot, you'll get prior days close pricing...
    How many gurus are getting paid by the dealers to tell insane stories everyday "It's Done!!" "Obama signed off" "IMF deadline looming" or whatever the story of the day is, and the ones who aren't getting paid, how mentally ill are they that they need to tell a bigger lie everyday for fear that the spotlight will veer away from them for a minute?

    I know how it can be inside a closed mental loop, and you prolly don't see it, but trust me, to most of the sane people of the world, and damn near all of the ones who know a bit about money, y'all look to be either insane, stupid as dirt or crooks. And that's putting it nicely. It hardly helps your case that scattered among the the ones you would call the "relatively smart ones" are low level criminals, get rich quick hucksters and scammers of various stripes well and long known to people who follow scams. A guy on one of the dinar forums who calls himself "Chico" for instance, is a guy who is tied to more HYIPS, Autosurfs, Reverse Pension Plans and outright scams than I can count, and despite his bragging how much he's making at any given time from whatever program he's pimping is in fact on the dole, collecting government benefits and doesn't have two nickels to rub together.

    As to your comment about comparing GDP, well, I was trying to illustrate a point about relative wealth of nations, which I won't bother to explain to you because you don't want to know what's true, unless it feeds your fantasy. I'm sure your guru of choice has tried to explain away how it doesn't really matter that Iraq is a dirt poor third world nation, it's still going to have the strongest currency on earth. I'm also sure the guru has a good explanation as to how for the IRD to RV to just PAR with the USD it would in fact take about twice as many dollars as are ion existence to facilitate that.

    But I just want to point out a few stone cold hard facts before you max out the credit cards (or have you already?) There are reports that one of your gurus is a checker at a grocery store, another is a truck driver, Tommy, who uses his real name I have to point out, also admits he's a truck driver (honorable profession by the way), and at least on of the Dinar Gurus is involved in the NESARA, WGS storyline that if you dig a little you'd discover depends heavily on not only Obama being impeached, but also approval from a guy named Lord Ramma, and Commander Hatton of the ET Spaceship Capricorn, currently in orbit cloaked from human hobby amateur telescopes. (I am not making this up, trust me..better yet, don't trust me, go to quatloos.com and search for NESARA)
    This cast of more nuts than California Mental Health Granola is also as a group making millions of dollars off of the so called investors.

    I ain't making squat, I don't believe in UFOs and really do have a PhD in Economics....without even mentioning I have in the past worked for both The Federal Reserve (I was a pissant intern, but I worked there) and The Bank of England (I wasn't a exactly pissant intern there, although I made no policy, I worked foreign reserves theory) and believing me only requires you to have a bit of common sense.

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    This is a first draft of a later discarded project, it's incomplete and the theme is not properly developed, but read the facts, you need to know this stuff if you're gonna take the red pill and cme bcak to reality..

    Quote Originally Posted by Greggory B Evans, PhD
    Because the Iraqi People will benefit from a RV!

    Wrong. If the Dinar revalued to a rate to make everyone who knows Okie Oil man rich, that money has to come from somewhere. I mean it does you know. And do you know where it comes from? The Iraqi economy! All the money that you and everyone else would cash out comes from Iraq, depleting their foreign reserves and sovereign assets. That’s right, the effect of a dramatic increase in the value of any currency is for foreign holders to cash in. The bigger the change, the more money leaves as the currency is repatriated. So if you’re worried about the good people of Iraq and doing what’s going to help them the most, you would be wanting the value of Dinar relative to other currencies to remain low. And that fact scales, by the way. When the US dollar is weak that actually stimulates the US export economy, it makes US goods more affordable in other countries which is good for exporters and makes foreign made goods more expensive in the US which is good for American companies selling to the US market.

    Because Iraq has so much oil, it should be one of the wealthiest nations on earth!

    Wrong. The GDP of Iraq is less than half of the GDP if economic powerhouse Mexico. Iraq does have a lot of oil, but westerners have a warped view of how important oil is relative to the wealth of nations. Oil is a commodity, and a vital one at that. Every large economy depends on solid and reliable energy supplies to power the growth of their economies. Now listen to this part, it’s important. In the same respect, every fast food restaurant needs a steady and reliable supply of salt to insure the growth of their fast food business.
    Energy is just one of the components that make industrial economies function, oil is only a part of energy and one that in the next 50 years will almost surely be displaced in the proportion of which it now supplies. The economies of the world that depend largely on commodities sold (which is 92% of Iraq’s) are not wealthy nations, the countries who buy their commodities are. Per Capita GDP of Iraq is just $2090, that’s right, even with all that oil the country produces their entire economic output is less than $2100 per person, which hardly is a good basis to claim they are a wealthy nation, by any stretch of the imagination. The simple fact is, Iraq is a third world country and compared to the G20 nations they’re dirt poor. They survive only because the truly wealthy nations buy a product from them.


    Because Iraq can ramp up production in its vast oil fields to raise revenue!



    Well, wrong. They can of course raise production. Good cases can be made that if they want they can pump twice the oil out of the ground or more. The problem is, over the last few decades the world has gotten along fine without that oil, we don’t need it and if you ask the other countries selling oil they don’t even want it. Oil, being a commodity, is deeply dependent on supply/demand curves and all the icky stuff you should have learned in Grammar School Econ class. If Iraq were to dump twice as much oil on the market, the price per barrel would drop to less than half it’s current level, they could easily end up getting less cash for twice the oil.

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    Gregg, I AM SICK AND TIRED of you categorizing me as a GURU in this dinar investment. I am the furthest from that. It actually is pissing me off to have to come here and quote your false claims pertaining to that. I have no problem answering questions but to have to defend myself of these claims you lay on this board as this needs to stop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
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    But I just want to point out a few stone cold hard facts before you max out the credit cards (or have you already?) There are reports that one of your gurus is a checker at a grocery store, another is a truck driver, Tommy, who uses his real name I have to point out, also admits he's a truck driver (honorable profession by the way), and at least on of the Dinar Gurus is involved in the NESARA, WGS storyline that if you dig a little you'd discover depends heavily on not only Obama being impeached, but also approval from a guy named Lord Ramma, and Commander Hatton of the ET Spaceship Capricorn, currently in orbit cloaked from human hobby amateur telescopes. (I am not making this up, trust me..better yet, don't trust me, go to quatloos.com and search for NESARA)
    <SNIP>.

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    Tommy, you're right, and I wasn't talking about you in most of the last post. In the quote you highlight, I was actually trying to show you as somewhat above the gurus, in that you do use your real name, and you don't tell ever more outrageous stories.

    I owe you an apology and it is here freely given.

    I also think you're seriously wrong about the Dinar.

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    And Tommy, I just signed up for Neno's Place. I hope you'll welcome me there as the good folks who run this board have you.
    I'm not always popular, but I'm damn near always right.

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    Excepted gracefully and thank you. Now come on over, I am sure the dinar investors would like to read what you as a PHD in Economics has to say. Then in your spare time, visit my Koolaid section as it was designed to bust the GURUS or allow them to bust them selves by reference.

    Sure glad you came clean on me as I just earlier made my membership aware of this and recommended them to see it and learn about these type of sites here. They can be refreshing and alerting. See you soon.... ;)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Tommy, you're right, and I wasn't talking about you in most of the last post. In the quote you highlight, I was actually trying to show you as somewhat above the gurus, in that you do use your real name, and you don't tell ever more outrageous stories.

    I owe you an apology and it is here freely given.

    I also think you're seriously wrong about the Dinar.

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    Cool and yes you are welcome to be there. I have posted support for this board and will every time I can and other sites like them but will always make it known to research the poster and to not always take what one is saying to the bank as a good scam buster will provide proof. You do not have to be shy at the NNp board as I said above in the last post, some have already came to see your postings here on me..... ;)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    And Tommy, I just signed up for Neno's Place. I hope you'll welcome me there as the good folks who run this board have you.
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    Gregg, I understand what you are saying, but look at Saudi, Kuwait, Iran, United Arab Emirates, Nigeria, Kazakhstan and even Libya. What brings money into these countries? Mainly OIL, look at some of these countries and where they stand in GDP. Why not Iraq? If I am not mistaken, what happened in Kuwait during Clinton's Presidential watch? Do you know I could have bought 1 million Kuwait Dinars for $650 dollars. I was over there and I thought that was a crazy idea, no way, but you and I both know what happened. The Kuwait Dinar revalued and made quite a few people comfortable. How was that any different than Iraq today? Can you explain that to me? I was over there and had the chance to play the game, but did not, but do you know what I saw with my own eyes and ears? Yes, quite a few of our politicians in on the game and becoming very comfortable with their choices.
    This brings me to the following questions. Have you read the 8 year plan outlined by President Bush and Dick Cheney? The U.N. and I.M.F.? The W.T.O.? Why was there over 12 C-130 Airplanes full of pallets of U.S. Dollars, I do not know how many flights taking and landing this money in Iraq? Why in Iraq does the U.S. Embassy all of a sudden the largest U.S. Embassy in the world, with the largest Embassy work force? There are a lot of questions out there and I know for myself, as I spent 11 1/2 years in the Marine Corps and toured in these countries first hand and saw quite a bit with my own eyes. I do not believe a lot of what our Government tells us. I absolutely do not believe any of the dinar gurus or boards. I have done my own research. I have made out on the dinar because I had bought it on my own years ago and I have sold enough so that the dinar I do own has paid for itself. Whether is RV's, RD's I really could care less, but I really would like to know how this event is any different than when the U.S. had their hands in the Kuwait Dinar? Too me,this seems the same, the only difference being the public finding out about it, whereas they had no knowledge of the Kuwait revalue except the privileged few. I do believe our government would put out any disinformation on this event. Thank you again for your time and insight. pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjlvio
    Why was there over 12 C-130 Airplanes full of pallets of U.S. Dollars,
    Number of foreign troops in Iraq >2007 - 150,000+

    Number of countries represented in Iraq >2007 - 27

    Daily currency requirements foreign "tourists" in Iraq = unknown.

    Amount of currency destroyed in warzone/day - unknown

    10 year rate of inflation, Iraq -



    Value Iraq dinar 1995 - $1 USD = 3000 Iraqi dinar
    Current value Iraq dinar - $1 USD = 1169.38 Iraqi dinar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjlvio View Post
    Have you read the 8 year plan outlined by President Bush and Dick Cheney?
    Bush = left office 2009

    Cheney = left office 2009

    Bush/Cheney "plans" =



    Relevancy of any/all Bush/Cheney plans to current state Iraq dinar = 0
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    The Kuwaiti Dinar never actually RV'd in the sense people talk about IRD doing so. But let me tell you why you could buy a million dinar for $650 and a few months later they were again worth I think it may have been $2.88. (and I was not "there" in the sense you were, but I was at a desk in the City of London which for the basis of this discussion I think is more relevant)

    The KDR had an officially quoated rate, but it was, like most currencies traded on various forex exchanges, where it's value floats. That is, it's worth what anyone will pay for it, at a rate anyone else will sell it and this is the real value, with no relationship whatsoever to the official rate. In real currencies, the official rate has no bearing on reality and is in fact a place keeper for the accountants more than any measure of value. As an illustration, the official rate of the US Dollar can only be expressed against gold, and officailly the gold held at Ft Know (and at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York) is valued at $42.22 an oz. But I'm getting off on a tangent...

    The KDR was trading at about $2.88 and then one morning a few thousand Iraqi tanks rolled over the border and Iraq claimed the Kuwait was now their newest state.
    Now think if you're a currency trader and you're holding a few billion in KDR. Or a few million if you're a smaller player, doesn't matter except that it's a bigger amount in dollars than you want to lose. Saddam Hussein is emptying out the vaults that hold the gold that backs those dinar, appropriating the oil that backs their economy etc.. it's looking pretty grim if you're long the KDR, ya think? So on the open market, aka FOREX, people long dinar are dumping them, with a few armored divisions of the 5th largest army on earth occupying the country buyer are understandbly looking for bargains and the fact is, big holders of the dinar who sold were mostly big banks who could afford to take a 95% bath because to them it was a lot of money, but not really in the grand scheme of things. See, aside from the Euro, the dollar and Yen, (maybe the Yuan) the big players on forex are not buying investments, they're trading currency because they have dollars and do business in Mexico, so they buy pesos, etc... 99% of all forex traffic is this, not people making big bucks playing swings. And another thing, if their are a million day traders trading FOREX, I promiose you 999,950 of the are losing money, and 40 more are lying. You can get lucky, but you can't sytematically beat the odds.

    Anyhow, tanks in the desert, the Government of Kuwait is in London, and officially the rate is still $2.88, but you can buy a million KDR for $650 as you said. Then, the USA said 'This will not stand" etc... and the rate went back up a little...they shipped the rapid deployment force to Saudi Arabia, it went up a little more, then the 101st Airborne, and hell, the 18th Corp, the 7Th US Army, etc.. and the KDR was back up over a dollar. By the time everyone knew who Nomran was, it was damn near what it started as...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    (snip) it was damn near what it started as...

    (gotta go, computer is gonna force restart)
    Dontcha just hate that...? The computer version of TV shows...." we interrupt this commercial to bring you a brief program...!" Or, worse..."This regularly scheduled program has been preempted to bring you the dog catcher candidate debates...!"
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Okay, back...

    The point is, when it was far from certain that the Nation of Kuwait even existed, or would in the future exist, it's currecny fell in value (I'm not sure if it ever got as cheap as the IRD is now, I'd have to check), but as it became more likely that the international community would not allow Iraq to annex the country, the currecny returned to it's previous value, which was based upon the economic activity in Kuwait, before the invasion. When Iraq was fully removed from Kuwait, the KDR was still well below it's preinvasion level, but within a year it had regained the value that was lost, lost strictly because of legitimate concerns that it would be worthless if Iraq prevailed.

    As to the size of th Embassy, well, we're effectlvely running the country, we certainly have more programs to admisnter there than anywhere else in the world, not to mention the security etc.. that goes along with running an embassy in a war zone. I think someone else has explained the mythical 12 planeloads of cash, if they exist, and I'm not believing that they do. As the USD is the day to day currency in Iraq, it
    's not at all surprising that we have to send some cash over there, especially since Iraqis don't use banks, debit cards or checks very much.

    So, satisfied, Sparky?

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    Thank you for the suggestions/responses to my last "Help" post.

    Here's an update: My husband contacted Rudy and the BH group to request refund of his $750 "application fee." When he called Rudy's Fla. office, he was told the only way he could get his money back was to give them his "hedge fund" seat number. He did. They then said they would have to call him back. Well, surpirse... no call back (so far).

    Today, Rudy deleted and blocked my husband from his "Flordia Dinar" facebook page. Two nights ago, Rudy posted (on his facebook wall) that he would refund my husband and anyone else who wanted out of the supposed "hedge fund." We printed off copies of his FB page where he stated this - and I'm glad we did since we can no longer access it today.

    Husband contacted the Ohio and Fla. AG offices. Thanks for the suggestion.

    As it pertains to the supposed "RV" of the Iraqi Dinar - I'll leave that to you PhDs and "gurus."

    In my opinion, this whole Dinar thing tries to breed with the greed of human nature. It's sad and sick that people spend hours of their days wrapped up in it. Break free of this stuff and live!

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    gregg, thanks for the explanation. I understand. thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Just to address a few people who have asked if this is me..



    No, it's not. I'm the guy who said publicly that I had made arrangements for this hedge fund to be closed down, a few months before they were raided, not the lying dickhead who i true "guru" fashion made a big deal of it after the fact....
    I'm a "dickhead"? WOW

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    Most can only dream.

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    The owner forwarded me this:


    Rudy has opened an office at 3390 Kori Rd in Jax FL

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    BH and Rudy's most recent bullshit fest.

    https://www.freeconferencing.com/pla...cn=94-43-28-63


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    I made some factual comments on some of the Dinar boards and now I am banned. These people do not want others to hear the facts. They are steering the sheep to the slaughter. Wolves all of them...

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    Hi Gregg.
    I appreciate your professional opinions. Thank you. This thread and entire topic is quite intriguing. Aside from the obvious "pumpers" you got a lot of very different theories. ...and call me ignorant but that Rudy guy sounds so educated and so damn convincing, I honestly was shocked to hear that he's such a scammer and con. That's just amazing to me!! Anyway, when trying to research the topic of IQD in order to form an unbiased opinion, boy is it hard to get past all the BS so called evidence for a future "RV". But there does seem to be some solid evidence supporting a substantially higher future value for the IQD. And this supposed evidence makes not investing at least some time into formulating your own opinion hard not to do. I think I owe it to myself to at least do some research, just in case. What if?? You have the seemingly obvious fact that the Iraq economy is doing better now than there were when their currency lost it's value. By way of the incredibly willing support of the US and UN and the investments made by other countries Iraq does appear to be truly heading in the right direction and I'm not sure that anyone could dispute this. From my understanding their currencies value tanked due to, among other things, sanctions placed on their trade, bankruptcy, and due to the confiscation of large amounts of their countries assets formerly controlled by the Suddam regime. Now they have a government in place, they have regained control of a lot of their formerly confiscated assets, they are talking about pulling themselves out of bankruptcy, and other nations (U.N., etc.) seem to be willing to allow them out of BK. Also, they have a ton of resources including more known oil reserves than they had before the war when their currency was valued far above what it is now. And they have a good amount of trade resuming. Their GDP may suck and other economic factors obviously suck right now and they are in an extremely volatile part of the world, etc. But it seems a fact that they are doing better now than they have been for many many years, which eventually seems as though will be reflected through a greater value to their countries stock and currency. This seems as though this may be an investment that may be worth it for some to put a little money into. Not too much of course, a very prudent amount relative to whatever you have, and stay away from the various BS sites and dealers. Sure it may be a long shot. Sure you may not make millions overnight. It may take years more for anything to mature. But as an investment, as long as you stay away from the scams the pumpers the lies and rumors, this seems as though it might be worth socking away some IQD. The newly printed stuff of course, stay away from the old type with Suddam's ugly mug on it. what else are you going to do? buy BofA stock? j/k. or more gold at $1,800 per ounce?

    My serious question to you is: what do you see happening to their currency and to this possible "investment"? I think it's unlikely for it to go down in value. So as their economy improves will it increase in value? If it does go up in value what will stop people ("investors") from making money off it? I truly would love your professional opinion. Their are middle east countries who live off their oil as their one and only meal ticket and they have currencies with incredibly high values! So how do you see it playing out as Iraq continues to develop and mature as a country?

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    Good try at a stealth pump, trying to make the insane sound reasonable.
    The currency tanking had little to do with the war, sanctions, etc.. it tanked because Saddam printed about 1000 times more notes than his economy could back.

    As to the value having nowhere to go but up, that's wrong, it's being artificially suppported where it is now, if they removed the IMF approved subsidy, it would drop by half again what it is now. The IRD will not rise substantially in yours, mine, or our grandkids lifetime.

    I only have a minute, I'll try to get back and rip your argument to shreds properly later.

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    I'm not pumping anything. My question and posts are sincere. and I'm not really arguing anything either. I thought it was a valid question.

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    I concur with limitreached....I think he was sincere and his questions are valid.

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    Re: Bayshore Capital Investments and the BH Group

    First off, I never said I was nice, as a matter of fact, I'm not.

    I di say that I'm right, and as a matter of fact, I am. But gimme a minute and I'll go through it more concisely..

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