Thread: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?

TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers.

VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.

Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

Quote from another of VanBeenkom's RealSum review

"Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

I was not thrown out of Adland for rule breaking. My membership was terminated when Scamland admin saw one of my web sites and those people whom I mentioned on the site disliked the content.

My Adlandpro web site

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.

Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers.

VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.

Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.

"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.

TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.

Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."

How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

I missed out, too.

Like you, I'm really offensive.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I missed out, too.

They are waiting in the wings for a stab at you LRM. "Beware The Ides of March."

You described TimTech as shady which incensed Jon Olson but it looks as if VanBeenkom is too small a TimTech member to draw any attention from him. I have been searching through old documents and disks to try to find out more about the origins of I love Hiits. I joined on Feb 2nd 2003 under Michael Russel from MAPAM. I have been asking questions about MPAM for a long time and got no answers. This man could have been an opportunist who saw a short term money spinner and dropped it but if he is still around and part of TimTech, he is above the radar now.

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

Perhaps you would get a mention if you joined ILoveHits and accepted the invitation to be informed about the free offers and services offered by one of the Tim Tech owners Jon Olsen.

You joined Fred Mann's crew to discover what "benefits" you could obtain from Fred Mann'sJustBeenPaid or JSSTripler

Now is your chance to meet what could be the largest nest of Fred Mann promoters on the net along with the owner of ILoveHits who showed his nose in RS to defend his program and ignored comments about Fred Mann or porn promotion on Adlandpro.

It is interesting to read what VanBeenkom has to say about JonOlson and other TimTech owners have to say about their respect for Adlandpro.

I quote VanBeenkom. spouting of about other traffic exchange owners HERE

"Even the TimTech guys know Adlandpro is legendary, and anyone who doesn't like Adlandpro or doesn't recognize the greatness here, doesn't know what they're talking about...RS and the haters there don't know what they're talking about, regarding ANYTHING in online marketing. "

Compare VanBeenkom's statement about what Jon Olson has to say about Adlandpro, when he made his RS debut in THIS RS THREAD. Jon Olson says that he knows nothing about Adlandpro whatsoever and that his only concern is running his own ship.

VanBeenkom could have upset Jon Olson by making statements about him which are in direct opposition to his own words in RS.

"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.

She NEVER exaggerates either!!!

I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".

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Originally Posted by scratchycat

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I noticed that scratchy. Kathleen has only one supporter in that forum, Jimbo who still promotes free groceries in his Scamland profile. Strange that none of their friends are backing them against RS.

I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them. Jon Olson claims to have no knowledge of Scamland and Kathleen says the opposite.

She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?

Originally Posted by scratchycat

She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!

And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?

Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!

Darn! You are just not as famous as we are, we love to hate you know!

Kathleen you are still lying through your fingers and you expect people to believe you anymore!!??? You are pointing fingers at the ones who are telling the world all your promotions are SCAMS, FRAUD, PYRAMID SCHEMES and any and all other 'programs' you can latch onto to steal money from other people. RS will not suffer from anything you have to say.

Keep promoting SCAM and it will be reported in RS.

Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??

As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.

I have been asking that for many years LRM. I learned the meaning of marketing from somebody who was a marketing manager for tea bags and got them on the market as an alternative to loose leaf tea. I think it was Tetley for whom he worked. If not it was the first big company to launch tea bags in UK. This man knew what he was talking about and gave seminars.

I tried to learn a very different form of "Internet marketing" from Michael Russel the founder of MPAM. He called it his Massive Passive Advertising Program. Was he a founding father of mass produced crap advertising? He is the only one I know.

Michael's methods were. 1) Join all his recommended traffic exchanges including ILoveHits and Adlandpro. 2) Join Worldwide Promoter and blast out ads to all and sundry. 3) Join all his recommended banner exchanges. 4)Join all his recommended currency exchangers. 5) Join all his recommended FFA free for all advertising pages. 6) Join all his recommended safe lists.

Last lesson was stop complaining and upgrade your memberships to the paid version. What has become of Michael Russel and MPAM? I have asked that question on many forums. Please help find the answer to that puzzle.

This thread is funny.

The answer to the thread title comes down to whether scam enablers are any better than the scamsters themselves.

And as anyone who has been online and around the "internet marketing" (IM) scene for more than a few weeks knows, traffic exchanges (TEs) are for the most part just scam enablers.

Anyone who doubts this just needs to join a few random TEs and surf for awhile.

TEs are useless for anyone seeking to grow a "legitimate" business. TEs just "funnel" noobs looking for a way to "make money online" into the arms of various web fraudsters and other programs that relieve the noobs of their money without giving them anything to show for it.

The only folks who benefit from TEs are the owners who, in recent years at least, use the "free" membership TEs offer as a means of building their own list of suckers to whom they can flog their own or their pal's useless "internet marketing" tools, and the fraudsters whose programs comprise the majority of the pages advertised in TEs.

And these same owners know that TEs are useless and won't in any way help most of the IM noobs who use them but, of course that's not what they tell the noobs.

So the question becomes, are TE owners any less a scamster than the out and out fraudsters whose programs, e.g., "Earn $10,000 per month while you're sleeping", make up a bulk of the traffic in their exchanges?

And are they any less a scamster for selling credits, etc.for a service that they know won't in any way provide a benefit to most who use it ... and that they know is largely used by IM noobs seeking the "make money online" holy grail that 99% will never find?

Jon Olson's an ex-MPAM guy who likes to present himself as a "good ol boy" who made the jump from pizza making to online "success" ... though in his telling, this was only after much hard work and "learning" on his part.

Most of his "pals" have the same story, i.e., minimum wage worker who "made it good online" and after much hard work (supposedly) achieved the "six figure income" so often referred to on IM scam pages.

The only difference between Jon Olson, Tim Linden, etc. and the top level IM fraudsters is that they either have some shred of conscience left that for the most part keeps them from crossing the Kern, Filsaime, etc. "I'd sell my mother for $5 ... but get in soon because there's only one of her" ... top dog fraudster line or they don't want to end up in the slammer ... as Kern, Filsaime, etc. likely will at some point.

But neither has any problem selling services and products they know ... because they're sharp guys ... won't benefit the IM noobs who use them and they ... or at least Olson ... have no problem telling folks who see no "results" from those free or paid services that it's because they didn't "work hard enough", yadda, yadda, yadda ... the same lines used by top dog MLM type fraud artists for countless years.

Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE ... though apparently after many years in the IM world he still doesn't feel comfortable enough to decide whether what most with a minimal amount of knowledge of IM could easily identify as a pyramid scheme is legit or not.

Which perhaps isn't surprising given that if all the scam pages were removed from TEs, there'd be little or nothing left to surf ... and no noob IM folks left to "funnel" in TE owner programs or buy useless "marketing" tools promoted by the owner or inner circle of buds.

So are the "Tim Tech" guys any better than the fraudsters whose "programs" make up the bulk of their TE content?

Guess that's a matter of personal opinion.

Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.",

I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE .

Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.", I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".

Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.

Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

Olson's next move could be interesting.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.

My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.

Olson's next move could be interesting.

Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

So other than the hearsay re: ex-MPAM member Olson acquiring I Love Hits, which from what I've heard was a MPAM exchange, I don't have much to say on the subject.

Olson himself though gave a "farewell to MPAM" obituary in his HEN newsletter some time ago.

Goodbye To A Legend, MPAM Will Be Missed | Hit Exchange News

Now, not having spent a lot of time with MPAM, I not exactly sure what the "shades of it’s influence everywhere", to which Jon refers in his post, actually are.

My own thought would be, based on what I've seen TEs and IM become, i.e., tools to defraud folks with the "earn an online income" dream, is that maybe the "shades of its influence everywhere" may not have been particularly positive however, I really don't know enough to say either way.

I've always like TEs and believe that they could have been beneficial for folks looking to make an honest living online, e.g., "e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts." to get some relatively inexpensive exposure on the web ... though maybe this was more true in pre "stumbleon" type plugin days but, these aren't the folks likely to cough up cash to keep various "make a six figure income" scamsters in business or buy useless "IM tools" from TE owners and whoever is within their particular circle of "partners" ... or pehaps "syndicate" is a more apt description.

As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.

And I guess this goes back to my much younger years where every now and again I watch late night infomercials from some real estate, or similar, "guru" flogging some product that they claimed they'd made millions from.

And ... being the lazy ******* that I am ... I couldn't help but think that if I'd made those millions, I could find a lot of better things to do with my time then advising folks how to do the same on late night TV infomercials. Or, if I had a strong streak of altruism in me that made me believe that "I made my millions ... now I'd like to see others do the same", I'd be selling the products ... if I didn't want to give them away ... at whatever cost I bore to produce them, e.g., $29.95 rather than $795.00.

So, I've always been very skeptical of the "I made millions doing this and now I'm going to show you how to do the same ... for $4995.00" crowd as, I don't know ... maybe I'm just cynical, it seemed to me that the only money most of these characters ever made was from sucking other folks into believing that they had some "cash machine while sleeping" secret that any sap could utilize without knowing dick all about business, the web, etc. to make a "passive" income.

But enough of my ramblings.

Re:, "Olson's next move could be interesting.", I imagine he'll just ignore it.

Becoming embroiled in discussions on forums like this definitely won't work in his favour ... which is likely why he quickly backed out of the other thread.

You might get the usual "some folks are jealous of other people's success" line ... that these guys seem to fall back on ... or a "I didn't realize this was happening" comment in his blog or wherever.

But, I'd guess that will be about it.

Well, well well you have uncovered a gem of information. Affiliate Funnel and it's connection with Olson and ex MPAM members.

I contacted the owner on the day that Affiliate Funnel opened. I expressed my disgust at the free gift which the owner was offering to his members. He offered his members a free gift of software to cheat traffic exchanges with spam bots. He removed the offer from his home page when I announced my utter disgust and did his best to persuade me to join his program. I would like to see Affiliate Funnel scrutinized by legal authorities.

I had warned Jon Olson about these traffic exchange cheats and he assured me that the software could not be used on ILoveHits. Olson came over as a fairly ethical TE owner in those days. How times have change. He allows the promotion of any old crap now including programs devised by Freddy Mann and BoggyBoy Fiedur.

The slimy toad who owned Affiliate Funnel may have been a TE owner who sold software to cheat "honest traffic exchange owners."

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.

As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.

I joined MPAM but like you, I did very little of the training. I signed up to his recommended hit exchanges and his WorldWidePromoter. When it came to signing up for banner exchanges, I lost interest. Olson's banner exchange was one most widely hawked on MPAM.

Spam from MPAM was inordinate There were times when I had to delete over 200 spam mails a day, most of which came from Adlandpro.

I did not buy CoryRudl's Internet Marketing course but I was bombarded with sales spiel about methods devised by "The Grand Master of Internet Marketing." from Adlandpro and other sources.

Corey's marketing methods may be the basis of the phony use of the term Internet marketing to describe reproduction of mass produced sales spiel as marketing.

This is the real robert puddy here, and the idiot who feels its ok to post crap in someone elses name should be deleted and banned from using the internet let alone a forum (any forum)

Will the owner of this site please contact me for comfirmation of who i am and then delete all the posts by the ****** impersonating me please.

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The Real Robert Puddy

STOP SPENDING MONEY OR PROMOTING ANYTHING TIMTECH They are nothing but a bunch of scam artists that use bots even for their traffic exchanges!

They treat people like **** use them and just take their money all the while back end laughing at those that get suckered into buying their BS Products this ranges from their most recent nerdbux TOTAL SCAM to their oldest ilovehits, startxchange,thumbvu,adkreator,clicktrackprofit(wh ere they promote cash badges out the ass but never award them lol), Doctor traffic a big so called trash co op that just delivered you over priced bot traffic. Sweeva which has no anti cheat and is a bunch of bot clickers, telist which i love lists their sites at the top and puts everyone else under them even though all other rankers list them at the bottom lol, trck.me total trash tracker where they scam people into thinking they need to track traffic on traffic exchanges.If the traffic exchange was run right then you wouldnt need to track it but those that do will see they get NO results. and best of all Listnerds there total failed attempt at a simple viral mailer they cant even do right.

SO STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND YOUR MONEY!!!

Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com

IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com

IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.

i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.

Thanks littleroundman.

Just want to point out ... because eventually someone will show up to say this ... that the kind of illegal ponzi schemes that some used cheap autosurf ... and maybe manual surf ... scripts to set up is not what the TimTech folks are in to.

The TimTech TEs follow the traditional TE model, i.e., surf for credits or, if you don't want to surf, buy credits.

The question, for me at least, is whether these folks are any better than the scammers whose programs make up the majority of the pages on their exchanges ... or rather are just scam enablers who further profit by selling credits to em IM noobs for services they're well aware won't produce results for the majority of these folks and also using their "membership" as a list to flog their and their pal's useless "marketing tools" and services to these same noobs.

In my opinion, they're no better than snake oil salesmen selling a product that they know won't deliver the benefits claimed ... and then exacerbating the problem by exposing relatively innocent, and often desperate, folks looking for the fabled "six figure online income" to even more snake oil salesmen being advertised on their exchange(s).

My own view is that the web ... and many of the folks who've lost a lot pursuing the, to say the least, illusive dream of a "six figure online income" ... would have been better off if guys like Olson had stuck to making pizzas ... though that wouldn't have provided some of these guys with the same "sit on your fat ass playing video games most of the day" lifestyle that at least a few seem to enjoy.

But, it's just a matter of opinion ... and conscience ... I guess.

Yep,

I think your last sentence says it all:

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

But, it's just a matter of opinion ... AND CONSCIENCE... I guess.

IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.

None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.

Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.

And, it IS a problem.