Thread: Ray st Clair.The real story.

Originally Posted by Versuvious

i'v already stated my mothers name, which is Karen Elizibeth vinnecombe/smart/beaver/stephens, the only grandparents i know of are from my mothers side, and to be honest with you here i have given up with your childish " 20 questions" game your playing if you dont believe me then fine because right now i really cant be bothered to be dealing with what seems to be a community of people where they ridicule one person looking to find the asshole that made him.

oh yes, and the reason i didnt respond is because unlike some, i have to work to live and pay bills blah blah, and also, i was trying to talk to my mum on all this but as you see i dont have a great relationship with her either so DO excuse the lateness of my response (not)

So for the sake of clarity "William",your Mother has four different surnames? Hmmm very novel indeed.How did she manage that grand feat? I asked you three questions,none of which you are able to answer,making your credibility as a member of the Beaver/st Clair genealogy nil.
Interestingly you used a phrase or two that are VERY likened to Ray st Clairs ramblings of old.I have some old correspondence from him and your typos and sentence structure are very similar!
Deary me---could that point to Versuvious actually being no less than the subject matter of this thread RAY st CLAIR?
Well well,no surprise really as Ray inevitably turns up on any threads posted about his exploits. On scum.com he appeared as Ken Bart the Private Detective in an effort to disrupt proceedings. Other threads he managed to get deleted by sending in fake lawyers letters threatening to sue.Wonder if hes tried that gambit here?

This thread is on page one for his name, but he hasn't tried to coerce us into removing it. If he tries that should make for some hilarious posts!

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

This thread is on page one for his name, but he hasn't tried to coerce us into removing it. If he tries that should make for some hilarious posts!

It certainly is!That's why hes disappeared off the radar for the time being.Hes finally been successfully exposed on the internet and will find it very difficult to continue his scams using the name Ray st Clair. Hes fled his rented property near the Sussex Downs recently and for the first time in many years cannot be found on the internet promoting his shell companies.Its going to become increasingly important to him to get this thread taken down,so nothing would surprise me! Ray is a dab hand at making threatening gestures from afar. He has intimidated quite a number of people some of whom have been in touch with me over the years. Google and Yahoo are now his enemy and not his friend!
I would like to post some photos of" our man",but within the post rather than as an attachment.If someone could PM as to how I do this it would be appreciated.Im not much of a guru on the computer.-----well cant be good at everything!

I wonder if St. Clair will threaten me with something more clever than the Rumanian Mafia. That could be a hard one to top.

Use the magic picture icon that says "Insert Image" and see of those pictures will post that way.

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

I wonder if St. Clair will threaten me with something more clever than the Rumanian Mafia. That could be a hard one to top.

Use the magic picture icon that says "Insert Image" and see of those pictures will post that way.

Tried that this morning SBM,but my 'puter was running slooooow.So will try again.Thank you.-------of course I shall be enjoying a Pimms No 1 with a slice of lemon and a chunk of ice whilst doing so!

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Our mystery man Gary Martin Beaver/Major Raymond st Clair(far left) arm in arm with his wife of the time,Selina Beaver. Versuvious claimed Selina was "a girlfriend",not so she was from a very respectable family who had no idea that their daughter was about to marry a serial conman!The relationship didn't last long as Gary was soon rumbled,but not before he fleeced Selina of a considerable amount of money.From memory Selina owned an antique business called Empire Antiques based in America.I received a PM in May this year from an alleged long time friend of Selinas claiming she was very concerned as there had been no contact since 2006 and did I know of Selinas current whereabouts.Unfortunately despite messaging straight back I heard no more. Wether this was genuine only time will tell---- more photos to follow. This photo was taken at one ofGary/Rays Knights Templar quasi-masons meetings.Of note is the ring on Gary/Rays finger.This of particular significance but I will come back to that later.

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Gary/Ray (far right) with members of the Ordo Supremis Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani,also known as OSMTH.Consolidation,who sometimes posts on this thread is something of an expert in this field and hopefully may add some of his knowledge on the subject.Gary Martin Beaver eventually broke away from this group forming his very own "order" of the OSMTH charging exorbitant fees for the priviledge of enrolment.Suitable "gongs" and finger rings were ordered and struck uniquely for Garys "order but in customary fashion Gary didn't pay the bill to the designing jeweller.A big falling out took place as variousTemplar groups condemned Beaver and his antics.No surprise there then!

once more that i have time, i think i shall post some more of my info for you to see that i am indeed who i say i am like, for instance, my facebook account, https://www.facebook.com/will.beaver.50/ if still not enough for you, then, me aha!.jpg Photo0106.jpg omg old!.jpg my photo's may help? or would you also like my email address which, is also registered to www.direct.gov.uk my email is william.g.beaver@gmail.com that also due to google safety now, has my mobile number registered to it aswell, which also happens to be the one i sent you in a PM and is also registered in my name.

oh oh! and dont forget, im also registered at st.mary surgery, here's the address and contact so you can also ask them. also their website, St Mary's Surgery & Telephone House Surgery - GP Surgery Website. All about your doctors surgery, the opening times, making appointments, ordering your repeats, health information and more

St Marys Surgery
1 Johnson Street
Southampton
SO14 1LT
Telephone Numbers Telephone Numbers
Telephone:023 8033 3778
Practice Manager:023 8021 0292
District Nurses:023 8071 3411
Fax:023 8021 1894
Health Visitors:023 8063 4672
Out of Hours:111

other than that... im not too sure how else i can so called "verify" myself in your eyes as being who i am, unless of course, you call me, or would like to leave a contact number for yourself, so that i may get in contact with you, or if you would prefer, i could get in contact with the legal services myself, to attain the so called "birth certificates" of my family and due to your posted slander of the fact i am who i say i am.

choice is yours...

oh, and to your most recent post of "hes gone into hiding" is probably because there are several associations i'v spoke to looking for him on my behalf, including the salvation army, and also a contact of the bbc which i got in contact with a few months back.

as always, a pleasure making some fun reading for you, and i hope you can be bothered to actually go out of your way to verify i am william gary beaver.

ah yes, and to the mothers maiden names, those are all the ones she has been, or previously known by, well, for someone who earlier stated that he, has a copy of her birth certificate, would have maybe checked her history of "marriages" and possibly her known names? or maybe if you were smart enough you would also have found my birth certificate through that information, and the registered births of me and my brother.

you seem very lazy "earl" lee tobed, maybe i should request some identification of yourself?

oh, and can i suggest if someone does try deleting this page, BACK IT UP! so you have all the info i have put and also for the sake of anyone else.

Originally Posted by Versuvious

ah yes, and to the mothers maiden names, those are all the ones she has been, or previously known by, well, for someone who earlier stated that he, has a copy of her birth certificate, would have maybe checked her history of "marriages" and possibly her known names? or maybe if you were smart enough you would also have found my birth certificate through that information, and the registered births of me and my brother.

you seem very lazy "earl" lee tobed, maybe i should request some identification of yourself?

oh, and can i suggest if someone does try deleting this page, BACK IT UP! so you have all the info i have put and also for the sake of anyone else.

Will old chap.Lets start at the beginning shall we? This is MY thread-------OK? You on the other hand are merely an infiltrator----point made?
Good Oh!
Now then,for a kick-off anyone can set up a Facebook profile using any old photos that come to hand,so it hardly counts as a means of proving identity. Secondly I hardly think the local Doctors surgery are about to divulge a clients details to a third party over the telephone! Anyway,even if we assume that the "pimply faced youth" featured on said Facebook account is you it doesn't verify that you are indeed of the Gary Beaver/Ray st Clair conman clan.
For your further information I do indeed have all relevant birth/marriage/death certificates relating to the information contained within this thread.Unlike you I have fully researched my subject matter----!

(Oh to be young---!) yawn.

And the moral to the story ???

There are a lot more victims of serial fraudsters than just those who lose money.

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

Will old chap.Lets start at the beginning shall we? This is MY thread-------OK? You on the other hand are merely an infiltrator----point made?
Good Oh!
Now then,for a kick-off anyone can set up a Facebook profile using any old photos that come to hand,so it hardly counts as a means of proving identity. Secondly I hardly think the local Doctors surgery are about to divulge a clients details to a third party over the telephone! Anyway,even if we assume that the "pimply faced youth" featured on said Facebook account is you it doesn't verify that you are indeed of the Gary Beaver/Ray st Clair conman clan.
For your further information I do indeed have all relevant birth/marriage/death certificates relating to the information contained within this thread.Unlike you I have fully researched my subject matter----!

(Oh to be young---!) yawn.

Hahaha! finally a response, and yes and of course everyone can make a fake FaceBook profile, with all my info, my girlfriend, all my "old" photo's oh yes.. and posts dating back to 2009 when i joined, oh how silly of me, that couldn't possibly be me, /sarcasm and hold on, i'm 23 years old and very much NOT "pimply" that assumption is like me saying your and old man that cant get out of bed and needing a nurse to scratch your behind for you; once more i add, generally not needed.

Oh yes, this is your thread on a PUBLIC forum also part of this thing we call the INTERNET widely available to anyone who can pay for it and i do belive i reserve the right to post here as long as i abide by the forum rules and T&C's unless i'm mistaken? but you seem to be against the fact that i even exist - or that i'm a "fake" you throw these accusations around like a child with a bag of candy.

Also, by law the doctors would have to have seen my I.D to register me and with the seemingly endless ability to gain legal documents that, in fact, have absolutely sweet F.A to do with you, or your family, or even in your bloodline surely you could look on the electoral role to see i exist? oh no once more, you couldn't possibly do that as you seem incapable.

And you are mistaken, i do not wish to be part of his little "clan" i wish to know why the hell he ran off, why he didn't pay for me and my brother and more or less why the flying heck did i grow up thinking "at least he must have made an honest earning"

And once more i'm sorry that i don't know much of the man who biologically created me and mystically disappeared when i was ten.

I have given you countless things to go upon, many pieces of evidence, even my phone number... i divulged the fact that i will not sent you my birth certificate or a picture or scan of it for purposes of identity theft. i would also like to extend the fact that i will even offer a meet up with my legal representative if that would even help but i guess it would be another dead end for you as your quite happy as larry the other end of a keyboard with no confrontation just tapping away at those keys.

I look forward to your next response.

Originally Posted by Versuvious

Hahaha! finally a response, and yes and of course everyone can make a fake FaceBook profile, with all my info, my girlfriend, all my "old" photo's oh yes.. and posts dating back to 2009 when i joined, oh how silly of me, that couldn't possibly be me, /sarcasm and hold on, i'm 23 years old and very much NOT "pimply" that assumption is like me saying your and old man that cant get out of bed and needing a nurse to scratch your behind for you; once more i add, generally not needed.

Oh yes, this is your thread on a PUBLIC forum also part of this thing we call the INTERNET widely available to anyone who can pay for it and i do belive i reserve the right to post here as long as i abide by the forum rules and T&C's unless i'm mistaken? but you seem to be against the fact that i even exist - or that i'm a "fake" you throw these accusations around like a child with a bag of candy.

Also, by law the doctors would have to have seen my I.D to register me and with the seemingly endless ability to gain legal documents that, in fact, have absolutely sweet F.A to do with you, or your family, or even in your bloodline surely you could look on the electoral role to see i exist? oh no once more, you couldn't possibly do that as you seem incapable.

And you are mistaken, i do not wish to be part of his little "clan" i wish to know why the hell he ran off, why he didn't pay for me and my brother and more or less why the flying heck did i grow up thinking "at least he must have made an honest earning"

And once more i'm sorry that i don't know much of the man who biologically created me and mystically disappeared when i was ten.

I have given you countless things to go upon, many pieces of evidence, even my phone number... i divulged the fact that i will not sent you my birth certificate or a picture or scan of it for purposes of identity theft. i would also like to extend the fact that i will even offer a meet up with my legal representative if that would even help but i guess it would be another dead end for you as your quite happy as larry the other end of a keyboard with no confrontation just tapping away at those keys.

I look forward to your next response.

Your "biological father" as you refer to the subject of this thread wont I suspect be found at or by the Salvation Army.Ray/Gary st Beaver-Clair is used to more salubrious surroundings such as a 5 star Hotel,leaving the bill unpaid of course.For your and THE PUBLICS attention as you so rightly pointed out this is indeed a public forum,and yes you are most cordially welcome to post on it. My reference to this being MY thread was merely a smidgen of humour.
Might one ask just whom you have sent out in search of our missing fugitive? Not the Hound of The Baskervilles one hopes.
He is normally easily tracked down as he cant help blowing his own trumpet.You might try the following leads which I will supply to you in good faith and I can assure you are most definitely linked to our man.He is in on the profit sharing of a company called Textile Solutions and ClothesBank.Look up one Chris Pomelli who is a friend and colleague of your "dads". These two businesses collect used items of clothing by van having first leafleted an area and dropped off plastic bags.They falsely claim to do so to support various charities but in reality 95% of the money goes into certain pockets instead.The chief clothing sorter who works in the warehouse in Stoke-on-Trent gets £1000 per week for starters. Do follow it up and let us know what you find out,by doing so you may well redeem my doubts about you.

Some other cohorts who do business frequently with Gary Beaver/Ray st Clair and who may know of his whereabouts.I would suggest though that you don't reveal to them who you are as to do so may well hinder you in your quest. Go to Companies House website and do some research.Also check out sites such as checksure to find out directors details.
Christopher Pomelli.
James Wendell Browne.
Norman Hinks.

Companies to also check out include:-
UK shoe collection Ltd
The Clothes Buyer Ltd
Begin Again Ltd
Shemma Ltd
UK Clothing Collections Ltd

Charities:- (All interlinked with your "fathers" activities.
Cancer Relief UK
Smile For A Child
Hang On To A Dream
West Yorkshire Animals In Need

These are all linked to the bogus clothing businesses,and you will find very little actually goes to anyone other than the directors/Trustees.

That should help you on your way for now.You may get a result if you are careful but beware of the fact that these [people can be a little edgy towards anyone uncovering their activities. Good luck and don't say I havnt tried to help!

Thank you very much Earl lee, hopefully i will turn out some results from this, rather in-depth information which i will say thank you very much.

I will have to pussy-foot around abit first then... i will do a few checks on the businesses you put down and try to find as MUCH as possible and then i will PM you the findings or, if you would like add the information directly to here.

i was even thinking of pulling together a little "search party" and go to these places directly but have yet to make any plans at this moment in time....

I also found in a directory that Gary/Ray was in stoke-on-trent and to my surprise, he is no stranger to these "clothes collection" scams as he had one not even 30 minutes away from me a few years ago.... ah yes, and hes currently living with someone by the name of "Tracy".

Originally Posted by Versuvious

Thank you very much Earl lee, hopefully i will turn out some results from this, rather in-depth information which i will say thank you very much.

I will have to pussy-foot around abit first then... i will do a few checks on the businesses you put down and try to find as MUCH as possible and then i will PM you the findings or, if you would like add the information directly to here.

i was even thinking of pulling together a little "search party" and go to these places directly but have yet to make any plans at this moment in time....

I also found in a directory that Gary/Ray was in stoke-on-trent and to my surprise, he is no stranger to these "clothes collection" scams as he had one not even 30 minutes away from me a few years ago.... ah yes, and hes currently living with someone by the name of "Tracy".

That would be Tracy Amanda st Clair, they claim they met at school and have been sweethearts ever since. If that were true then Will Beaver wouldn't exist
neither would your mother,and as Im in possession of the marriage certificates I mentioned before,cant be the case.
I warn you that you will come across minefields of misinformation along the way to uncovering the truth and the facts.You will also find numerous businesses most that have never submitted accounts and are rapidly dissolved as the directors move on to con more and more people. Feel free to publish your finfings on this thread,after all that's the whole point of it in the first place.If you prove yourself,i will help you in any way possible.

As per your request heres some relevant websites:-

Clothesbank
Textile Solutions Home


The two below will help research the charities accounts and companies house register:-

Find charities - Charity Commission
Companies House

For Directors information:-
Company credit checks reports and Directors reports | checkSURE

Hi Versuvious. Please check your private messages.

Hi Eal Lee Tobed. Have PM'd you. Please read.

Well,well------just as I was beginning to believe that Dirtbag st Clair had had a sudden name-change and dropped out of view,when an anonymous benefactor came to my aid to show otherwise!
Great news and my sincere thanks for the update on dear Rays current activities. Seems hes now to be found hanging round the local pubs of Redhill in Surrey several nights a week hosting "open mike" music gatherings,and rubbing shoulders with young musicians to fuel his tiny ego. Seems he has taken to wearing a wide brimmed hat and can be heard twanging his out of tune guitar.(How excrutiating!)
Anyway Raymond and his lovely wife Amanda are still hard at it conning people out of whatever money they can lay their hands on,and are currently intimidating a local girl in a very menacing manner.
Poor Ray has been working so hard for over a year now to keep out of the limelight but sadly he just cant do it!
Ray and Amanda can now be found at yet another rented property,fully furnished to a high standard of course,as Ray doesn't actually own anything of his own,even his cars are leased.
I have his current address if anyone needs it please PM me.If he owes you money that's where to send the Bailiffs,and if hes threatening you,thats the place to send the Police. If hes doing neither of these things then go down the pubs he plays in and take along a few rotten eggs!raystclaircloseup.jpg

3282_100126002740_IMG_01_0000_max_620x414.jpgRays rented "temporary" home. He wont be there long now hes been rumbled.

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

3282_100126002740_IMG_01_0000_max_620x414.jpgRays rented "temporary" home. He wont be there long now hes been rumbled.

A property like the one in that photograph would cost an absolute bomb to rent. Redhill is an extremely expensive part of the South London "stockbroker belt" and the prices quoted for any house on "Prime Location" website range from £860 per month for a one bedroom terraced house to £2,600 per month for a five bedroom executive house.


A person living in reduced circumstances would only be able to afford rents in Redhill, if he or she were in receipt of a state benefit known as housing benefit.


[B]Quote from UK's best known housing charity (Shelter)

"Housing benefit is a regular payment made by councils to help people pay their rent. You can apply for it if you live in social housing or if you rent privately.
You may be able to get housing benefit if you have a low income, or are receiving welfare benefits. Your income and savings have to be under certain limits for you to qualify. "

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

A property like the one in that photograph would cost an absolute bomb to rent. Redhill is an extremely expensive part of the South London "stockbroker belt" and the prices quoted for any house on "Prime Location" website range from £860 per month for a one bedroom terraced house to £2,600 per month for a five bedroom executive house.


A person living in reduced circumstances would only be able to afford rents in Redhill, if he or she were in receipt of a state benefit known as housing benefit.


[B]Quote from UK's best known housing charity (Shelter)

"Housing benefit is a regular payment made by councils to help people pay their rent. You can apply for it if you live in social housing or if you rent privately.
You may be able to get housing benefit if you have a low income, or are receiving welfare benefits. Your income and savings have to be under certain limits for you to qualify. "

Absolutely right P2P. But our man Raymundo doesn't need housing benefit,he makes plenty of "mullah" by conning intelligient human beings out of whatever they have tucked away.His Modus Operandi is well honed believe me.
1. Gain victims confidence.
2. Find victims needs.
3.Claim to be able to fulfil need.
4.Claim to have the "right contacts" to enable this to happen.
5. Supply support documents to prove this.
6.Apply pressure of urgency.
7.Bleed victim of funds.
8.Play for time to fulfil needs.
9.Apply more pressure for more funds.
10.If not forthcoming,turn to intimidation.
11.If no result,disappear.

Works nearly every time.Amanda plays an impressive support role to Ray.Shes the original "yes" woman and is every bit as big a dirtbag as Ray.Plays the very demure person act to a tee.Ray of course plays the well-connected big wheel quite impressively too.Unfortunately though their cover has been blown sky high and now they resort to local pub clientele to sponge from.(apologies to pub clientele I mean no reflection on you). Plausability is the name of the game with these two.
Anyway hopefully their days are numbered unless Ray can lose some beef,have a shave,grow some hair on his head,and get a face-lift,as he has looked the same fat obnoxious Git for quite some time.

Originally Posted by Earl Lee Tobed

Absolutely right P2P. But our man Raymundo doesn't need housing benefit,he makes plenty of "mullah" by conning intelligient human beings out of whatever they have tucked away.His Modus Operandi is well honed believe me.
1. Gain victims confidence.
2. Find victims needs.
3.Claim to be able to fulfil need.
4.Claim to have the "right contacts" to enable this to happen.
5. Supply support documents to prove this.
6.Apply pressure of urgency.
7.Bleed victim of funds.
8.Play for time to fulfil needs.
9.Apply more pressure for more funds.
10.If not forthcoming,turn to intimidation.
11.If no result,disappear.

Unfortunately though their cover has been blown sky high and now they resort to local pub clientele to sponge from.

This is a great thread.

It is not often you get to read the life and times of a con man almost as it happens. For those who still believe that if something was a scam the authorities would have shut it down, a splash of cold water. And a bit of wisdom if a new social contact fits 1-10 whether met in pub or pew.

OP, I sent you a PM