Thread: Kirk Theakston of MyGoldValt is back to scam again...

Originally Posted by okosh

Any info Kirk can provide on Terry the ****** or Mutt or Nick Smirnow or Kent Black or Bobby Krimm or Jake "the snake" Amadee or whoever will all be interesting reading and proof of what I have known all along that an "Oval Office" exists within the scam industry....
Members of the "oval Office"(some named above) are the ones with the inside info on many of the scams....They use the info to line their pockets with the money from the dumb shmucks who post "I got paid" at TG and MMG....

In other words they play with an unfair advantage over regular players.....

The Kirk story is just beginning. I would like to encourage him to tell us more about some of these "oval office" players.

Kirk has said that he does not know where Sydney is but he has let a cat out of the bag by telling us that Mutt knows where she lives and that her house is owned by none other than Kent Black. The director of Muttland has to be none other than Kent Black with Sydney as forum manager.

When Mutt and Kirk bought the domain MyCashForums to get rid of TerryTheWanker, we see ownership of MyCashForum returned to Kent Black and Sydney.

I believe that Kent and Sydney are running MCFads and that it was these two who were testing the market to see if players would bite if Kirk reopened MGV.

Originally Posted by giantkin

Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc... started to get nasty... how would you respond? stick it out? maybe... just give in, and walk away. I would have. anyhow....

a few points.

I would think i would be one that ppl would want to talk to about all of this. (some, not all i suppose)

I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)

anyhow (that was just background for me, now on to.....)

at this time, im a member of mgv, i knew sidney in mcf forums, and matts a mod..later on
after the sydney thing, when cookie was the only US seller, and she wasnt doing too well. (i think she was scamming the customers on ebay etc, and got blacklisted)

I put a large sum into mygoldvault (well, to me it was) but it wasnt THRU mgv it was direct. to buy items for resale, etc.

Cookie sent me a box or 2 of items, that i was to list, and sell for kirk. (and matt?)

I checked out each item (as i could-being a computer geek)

Sold a few items, wasnt alot of good items in there, but a few. Plan was to have a full load of items sent to me, and i sell it for kirk, and i get % but Cookie f..messed up a few accounts. (i talked to her, i felt that rocks were smarter...sorry if that offends...but twas true) I think i mentioned that to kirk, and later i mentioned a few of the things she said...didnt add up. (eventually, she told me some of the things she was doing to screw kirk. but it wasnt put that way, just... if I dont get this, im doing this..sorta thing.

I told kirk she's a nut, and not to trust her. (but who was I yet ....other than another person owed, im unknown too) not sure if he belived or not. eventually i think he did...but wanted to get the items out of her that were there. (she told me some of the items...it was alot of stuff)

Everything fell apart after that... a load was never bought for me to sell, i was told, anything i had that i could sell, to apply the money toward the debt. (it didnt put a dent in it, to be honest) $100 maybe, forget now i have the spreadsheet on it somewhere.


Anyhow....I think i covered the details, as i know em.

to sum up.


Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)

im i too trusting too? maybe.... but if i talk to him, he responds. doesnt try to hide.
etc.

Im trying to get things moving forward, so a site wouldnt do much good for me now, but I know my stuff is legit, how can you tell me im not? i think the same thing for kirk. He knows his stuff is legit. how can he prove it? well, i hope i just did for you.

course...if i get yelled at like he did, im not gonna bother either lol

if i get stabbed, i bleed (isnt that a quote from something..hm)

anyhow, goodluck on ya, and all that!

gk

No...All you did was prove that I was right to call Kirk a scammer....You are also a scammer....
Your long winded dribble here is just that, dribble

Just like Kirk you came here and told us nothing but a load of hogwash excuses for why your ponzi scheme failed...

There is nothing legitamate about what you do or have done....

All your BS about selling a few items to generate income is pure BS....
What you did was look to create a way of avoiding the same fate as 12dailypro....
Reality is that you were running an illegal ponzi scheme....

If you looking for people to invest in a business selling this or that or carnival stuff you don't offer 1% or 5% or x% for x number of days.....
This is called offering "ponzi odds"....
If you were legitamate you draw up a legal agreement with your investors and you'd offer them a % of any profits made....
By offering x% per day on their money you are running a scam

Originally Posted by Giantkin

Ok, i just had to register and post.

wow. Civil? lol. i suppose it was, until someone attacked. Calling names etc..

HeHeHe,

Don't ya just love it when a serial fraudster plays the sympathy card ???

"calling names"

Err,

saying a scammer is a scammer doesn't exactly fall under the heading of "calling names"

Neither does suggesting that he/she is a low life, despicable criminal oxygen thief when said scammer attempts to justify his or her activities by invoking the "helping the widows and orphans" ploy.

Again I say,

there has never, ever been a single, solitary "autosurf" which is not illegal, unsustainable and a ponzi.

As for providing spreadsheets to prove honest intent,

P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E !!!

All such spreadsheets prove is: whoever produced them is either totally incompetent or a bloody liar.

What posessed you to think that you could bring MGV back Kirk?

Something or somebody must have put the idea into your head. If it was not "cookie" or "an other", please explain. You did not come over to me as a serial scammer. We discussed Internet marketing. You talked sense and I thought you could sell real products. I will give you three examples.

1) I said that there was a very good market for "Jordan size bras" which were made for older women in the UK. I found it hard to buy an older woman type in a size 34E and a neighbour of mine who was 87 found it almost impossible to get a 32G for a woman of her age in London. You said that you could rescource large size bras for older women in Canada. That was a sensible business proposition.

2) You said that you would evaluate Milliput and compare it to similar products in Canada. Welcome to the world of Milliput You were the perfect person to evaluate this product and introduce it into Canada, if it could survive extreme temperature in North America. It is an epoxy resin that seals leaks in almost anything. I have an affiliate link for Milliput and people buy it from my web site because it is less trouble tham buying from a plumbers merchant or DIY store. If a Canadian roofer recommended the product it would boost my sales.

3) We agreed most that ten year kids bought stupid things like whoopee cushions and fake dog terds on April Fools day and that Internet marketing was knowing what sold in your local shops, not having degrees in this or that. I did not get round to asking HM if she knew any Adlandpro artists in who could make any artistic dog terds for April Fools day but I know that plenty of Americans buy these "jokes for their kids. I have just finished re reading a book by a very highly estemed American author (Bill Bryson) book in which he admits stocking up on platic vomit to ammuse his children.

We spoke about real products that could be bought on The Internet and sold to local businesses. Your ideas were good and you showed a flair for business.

WHAT WENT WRONG?

Originally Posted by giantkin

I put a large sum into mygoldvault to buy items for resale, etc.

gk

You obviously thought that Kirk was a competent trader. He had a very good idea about some things that would sell but those markets dry up very quickly.

Kirk's attempt to sell advertising was doomed from the start. He had no experience in the advertising industry. He knew how to sell some widgets and he had a flair for market trading.

If you talk to anybody who runs a stall in a local market you meet people like Kirk. They buy stock and sell quickly. People like that are not educated marketers. They live on their wits. When my business collapsed, I had to learn the art of being a market trader or "self employed opportunist". I have traded in antiques, sold charity lottery tickets and ATMs to be placed in local shops. It is not easy to buy and sell in the present climate. I thought Kirk was one who had mastered that art.

"

path2prosperity.

your the only one that is polite in here, so heres my response to you first. I can agree on that. I thought the items he was buying, and was selling were good ideas. I was hoping to get into selling for him, never really got started.
I just got a job working for a guy that owns a flea market, kinda funny you should say that..heh. He also makes money selling items at events. (this is the guy that Im hoping to emulate) Huge amounts of stock, machines to work on, etc)

Thanks for the conversation.
g




Other responses:

a few of ya posted with my comments, as if kirk did em, confusing the 2 posts or something.

How can anyone classify me as a scammer? LOL I've been taken more than most of you I'd say.

I bought a domain name, that was worthless for waaaay to much...with a script I couldnt get to work.
I opened the site, and the only joiner was the previous owner.

I dont owe anyone (on the internet) any money. (cc's bills, etc not withstanding)

I tried alot of surfsites, investment sites etc. lost everything i put in. I dont join any surf sites now. (i am in one still, that is still going, hoping to get even)

I also dont attack ppl. (just look, i didnt mention who i was responding too above, just put Others...)

I dont mind listening to your opinion. But your opinion only counts, if you , talk, in a moderate tone. Yelling, screaming....that drives ppl away. (yes, i know its not verbal, but it is when you read it in your head...)

I dont remember some of the comments, just the overall gist....and thats fading.

hm...oh someone comment about me laughing... I do that. i'm a nice person. I do nice things. even simple stuff, make 2 cups of tea, and give one to the other person near me. even tho, that other person never would do the same back....)

I still hold the door open for women.

ya, i guess its considered....*looking up word* ...sexist(?)... but I still do it. (i also hold the door open for older men...i dont think thats sexist. (course it could be ageist ageism?))

Hard to please anyone, let alone everyone.

went back over a few posts... serial fraudster?? figure out who said what, about what, and get it straight first.
(said in an irritated/ jest of a voice)

hm more of the same.... wrong person, you responded to my post, try to remember which post, get which responses.

Do you know what a ponzi is?

When someone puts money in... ( i didnt get this far lol)
And yes, i had an agreement here, with each person to join. (they just didnt)

when someone puts money in, the admin holds the money.

The next person puts money in....the admin pays the first guy, his money, plsu this guy. Boom, instant ponzi setup.

NONponzi is ..when money is put in, the admin takes it out, does something with it, puts it back in, pays it back.

I suppose you could look at the member putting the money in, is a scammer too however... he(or she) is loan sharking. or gambling. depending on your mindset.

Ponzi, and pyramids are illegal. I learned a bit more, after I lost so much money.

now to ask..how many of these sites have you joined?

if your on the various forums...its at least one. That must make you a scammer.
(going by some of these posts...)



ya, this should heat up the conversation some :)


oh and here comes my laugh... lol.
i cant help it.

(read my posts on various forums...if ya can find em, i dont post much)



mcf who owns it now? kent black? he owes me money too.


so does Nick Smirnov (if thats his name)

and a few others that i cant remember.

(which is why i stopped putting money into this stuff. its crap. I trust too easily, and get suckered. Heck, my offline business, i think im getting taken there too. Just cant figure out how to figure out how. (and how to stop it, and fix it)
I had to get a 2nd job to keep the water on, and it shouldnt be that way.
sry, offtopic rant there.


actually... why am i bothering.
i think i would rather go play a game with my 7 yr old son.

and debate on visiting here again.

take care!

g


(hm wonder if im just feeding the pigeons here)

Originally Posted by giantkin

path2prosperity.

I thought the items he was buying, and was selling were good ideas. I was hoping to get into selling for him, never really got started.

So did I. I will open another thread on Internet Marketing and I think that your contributions could be of value to that thread.

What the hell was the disjointed, garbled, illogical, rambling rant???? I for one, did not mix you up with anyone and I addressed your first driveling post (right below that post) and asked you many questions of which you have answered NONE. Zip, zilch, nada. Big surprise! NOT!

You consider yourself a nice person because you make tea for someone? Are you fricking serious with this childish crap? Since you mentioned a child, you are a lousy role model for him. All the money you have pissed away in scams you could have been saving for his college education. Great move there. Shows a lot of responsibility and common sense. Just what are you teaching him with this behavior? You're a scammer and a fool who gets scammed himself. Brother, that's something he can be proud of. Maybe you would actually be able to pay your bills if you had .....you know....a real, honest, legit JOB!

Cripes, you really are a moron. Watching cement harden is more educational and interesting than your continued twaddle. Do you even have a point? How about growing a pair and answering my questions and spare us the blithering retorts to nowhere? Not going to hold my breath for that!

ALA, without disagreeing with you, I have to recognise that there are times when I worry about your blood pressure. LOL

ROTFL!!! I am a person with little patience (okay, no patience) and no tolerance whatsoever for dumbasses.......especially scammers. (he says clutching his Enalapril) I just do not suffer fools well at all and never have. I am fed-up with excuses and so many people's behavior and lack of conscience, morals, ethics and character in general. A-type personality and I call it like I see it. Always. I don't pussy foot around, never b.s. and I am never subtle. Like anybody on here who knows me doesn't already know all of this. lmao Plus I have been really really under the weather and just got in this afternoon from an overnighter and I am tired, cranky and sick and I have to prepare my business and personal taxes to send to my accountant on my two sick days off this weekend!!! Someone has to support the welfare recipients. Let's see, what else can I piss and moan about? lol On the plus side, I have a warm wife and a hot dinner in my future tonight, I've had a hot soak and am in my comfies. So life isn't all bad, I guess. How have you been btw? Hope you are well. You always have that damn nice balance thing going on that I have never had. Sigh.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

So did I. I will open another thread on Internet Marketing and I think that your contributions could be of value to that thread.

What?? Have you read this idiot's posts? He had to get a part time job so his utilities didn't get turned off and you think he should be giving advice to anyone about anything related to any business venture or how to make money? Are you serious? The guy is a complete an utter failure. He's a scammer! And, he has apparently fallen for more scams than the Pope has rosary beads! What would he have to say that is vaulable? lol Internet marketing?? On the scam forum???? Cripes does anyone have a real job, a real business, a real education or a real career anymore? Does anyone actually work for a living? Does anyone have any real legit financial or business experience, or knowledge any longer? Where the hell is my Enalapril....

How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.

There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEME

Originally Posted by littleroundman

How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.

There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEME

What the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

What the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

So,

next time someone you know uses the word "delusional" you'll know EXACTLY what is meant and how extremely dangerous to ones' wellbeing delusional thinking can be.

To most people, it's one of those trendified, throwaway words we use in everyday conversation.

Unfortunately, until one encounters truly delusional thinking up close, few recognize what it REALLY means.

Hey LRM, clean out your pms. lol Your box is full.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

Hey LRM, clean out your pms. lol Your box is full.

Consider it done

Originally Posted by littleroundman

How many ways can someone say it:

"Autosurfs" are NOT NOT NOT "Internet Marketing"

They NEVER work

They are ALWAYS illegal

There are many High Yield Investments.


There are zip, zero, zilch High Yield Investment PROGRAMS which are legal or sustainable.

A "HYIP" or "autosurf" with or without a product is still a PYRAMID SCHEME

My writing style confuses a lot of people. I am not supporting autosurf with the exception of the one run by John Partington. Latroilette tells me that people here would describe that as a traffic exchange rather than an autosurf.

If everybody who tried playing autosurfs gets labelled as scammers or delusional, you will be very short of members.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

If everybody who tried playing autosurfs gets labelled as scammers or delusional, you will be very short of members.

Unlike many naysayers, I have always made a very clear distinction between "true believers" and "players" as I have between what can be considered "ignorance" and "wilfull ignorance"

When it comes to discussing "autosurfs", there are no "ifs" or "buts" and definitely no "excepts"

They're ALL illegal and ALL unsustainable.

Suggesting some "autosurfs" are only partially fraudulent is like saying it's possible to be a "little bit" pregnant.

Personally, I'm like Rhett Butler when it comes to people who knowingly and willingly participate in playing HYIPs.

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"

BUT

when ANYONE comes along and floods any forum in which I'm a participant with absolute rubbish posts filled with justifications, rationalizations and blame shifting nonsense, then I think it completely reasonable to respond accordingly.

If doing what's right and telling the truth results in "being short of members" or member numbers are the deciding factor when framing a post, then, perhaps we should all shoot on over to your beloved Adland and join hands in a rousing rendition of Kumbaya while we have our pockets picked by your favourite bunch of "honest admins"

Until you come out and make a no exceptions condemnation of ALL "autosurfs" and ALL HYIPs , your posts will continue to be treated as being nothing more than those of a delusional, out of touch senior citizen, by me, at least.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Unlike many naysayers, I have always made a very clear distinction between "true believers" and "players" as I have between what can be considered "ignorance" and "wilfull ignorance"

When it comes to discussing "autosurfs", there are no "ifs" or "buts" and definitely no "excepts"

They're ALL illegal and ALL unsustainable.

Suggesting some "autosurfs" are only partially fraudulent is like saying it's possible to be a "little bit" pregnant.

Personally, I'm like Rhett Butler when it comes to people who knowingly and willingly participate in playing HYIPs.

"Quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"

BUT

when ANYONE comes along and floods any forum in which I'm a participant with absolute rubbish posts filled with justifications, rationalizations and blame shifting nonsense, then I think it completely reasonable to respond accordingly.

If doing what's right and telling the truth results in "being short of members" or member numbers are the deciding factor when framing a post, then, perhaps we should all shoot on over to your beloved Adland and join hands in a rousing rendition of Kumbaya while we have our pockets picked by your favourite bunch of "honest admins"

Until you come out and make a no exceptions condemnation of ALL "autosurfs" and ALL HYIPs , your posts will continue to be treated as being nothing more than those of a delusional, out of touch senior citizen, by me, at least.

I played autosurfs before I came a naysyer. I do not justify them now.

I don't expect you to read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums. I have come out very strongly against autosurfs.

If you have not grasped that point or the point that I made a very big mistake when I returned to Adlandpro community, my writing style is obviously anathema to you. I do not expect you to like it.

I can't stand some of our best British authours. Jane Austen makes me want to puke and Salamand Rushti is incomprehensible. Those who hate Judy Hortin's writing style are very welcome to their opinions.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

What the hell is it about this, that people cannot comprehend, understand and refuse to get? How many times does it need to be said and explained before it sinks in? Good grief!

Its alot to HOW you tell them. Yell and scream at someone, and all they hear was that you yelled and screamed, not what you said.

Yes in type too.

Try going back over a few posts, and see what gets your attention. Everyone is different of course.

Sorry ya think my posts are drivel, ya can always skip over the posts, and just say whatever.
Both of my sons have a full ride thru college, already put away. it was close with the stock hit however.
My partial 2nd job is now full time. I repair video games (forget if i said that already). Course, you ppl probably think thats a scam too.

I think i see now, because I joined an autosurf site or 10...and lost my money, I'm a scammer. That makes great sense. (not sure to whom..but someone i guess)
Starting to think some ppl are just they way they are, and no matter how it really is, they are gonna keep saying bad things.

I dont remember any of the questions asked to ME. I thought your questions (if i saw some) were directed at kirk.

My 1 job, has been slow. Company struggling, etc. not alot of money available...so I got a 2nd job to make sure my bills get paid. took awhile.

Im a month behind on 1 or 2, up on others. Just like my neighbor actually. They work in Health care, taking care of ppl that cant take care of themselves.
Since htey are in the same situation as I am...they must be scammers too.

i mean really.

If you (in general you) are just gonna yell n scream over and over, that im doing wrong, why should i bother listening to your drivel? I no longer join autosurfs only joined one hyip.
I joined them cuz someone told me how great it all was, etc.

I put in $5 each site (or their minimum) 10, was my highest. I wait em out. (oh sorry this was my idea to get back the money i lost already)

the first time thru, i put in 100 in each site, and got a little out, etc.

There was 2 sites, that i was talking to the admins of the site, and I was convinced they were honest.


I no longer join sites.

Im not a naysayer however. Just someone that likes to talk, and point out how not to do things.


g

More feed for the pigeons

Originally Posted by giantkin

I think i see now, because I joined an autosurf site or 10...and lost my money, I'm a scammer. That makes great sense. (not sure to whom..but someone i guess)
Starting to think some ppl are just they way they are, and no matter how it really is, they are gonna keep saying bad things.

"I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)"


and "Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)"

"Im not a naysayer however." Scammers and conmen never are.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

I played autosurfs before I came a naysyer. I do not justify them now.

I don't expect you to read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums. I have come out very strongly against autosurfs.

Here we go yet again. What you also do now is to make excuses for the scammers and welcome them as friends and say marvelous things about them, such as treating them like your son! I have already posted your direct posts from other sites in this thread about Kirk for example and now you are protecting and covering up for Giant and even making a thread for him, a scammer, to teach us all something.

I have no idea why you don't expect anyone here to be able to "read and inwardly digest all posts in this or other forums" since several members of this forum have been on and posted with you and told you the same exact thing that you are being told here now, on those same other forums, for a very long time now. Hello??? Again, we can all read your posts and understand them, here and elsewhere and the responses to them. You are told the same thing over and over and you kep repeating the same thing over and over. How is this not clear? It's certainly clear to the rest of us. lol

Originally Posted by giantkin

Its alot to HOW you tell them. Yell and scream at someone, and all they hear was that you yelled and screamed, not what you said.

Yes in type too.

Try going back over a few posts, and see what gets your attention. Everyone is different of course.

B.S. Grow a pair. Stop the whining and excuses.

Originally Posted by A Life Aloft

"I had previously bought a surfsite (2 actually) from someone else. Which later i woke up and realized i was taken...but was a good lesson. after a year or so
I opened up one of the surf sites. (legit....contrary to what some of you think about autosurfs...i had a real plan. Money is used to buy items to sell on parade routes, and carnivals/festivals. I have contacts in this all over-big ones... (own some carnival stuff, contact me i can fill your warehouse, etc. ) lol sry, plug there. lol.
(my site, due to the previous owners ....skill? (i bought into the 'sickness' part of the deal..sigh, the sites name had a not so great reputation, before i opened. So only a few members joined. not enough to cover the first months server cost lol, let alone the scripts etc. Soon as the (3?) months were ending on the few upgrades, (i had prepaid for...3 or 6 i forget) I turned off the upgrades, waiting for the plans to end, then paid them out.
(funny part: one of the upgraders turned out to be the PREVIOUS admins... go figure.)

anyhow, I know i was doing it legit. Can i prove it? Not totally. (i can show receipts of what i bought, etc. and permits for where i sold it, etc...if thats proof?)"


and "Kirk tries. Trusted the wrong ppl. got burned, and when I arrived, it was just too late. (course, im assuming im a good person, and could have sold the items and helped keep his stuff going)"

"Im not a naysayer however." Scammers and conmen never are.

(this last line, you forgot 1/2 of the sentence.) Interesting how you left out what hurt your side.

Starting to just think your full of it.
You dont know me, dont know what i do, nor have done.
I went in, trying to do something, and got burned. the only one that lost was me.

I closed it up, never had a chance. I know that now.